The A-league Expansion Thread


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huddo - 20 Jul 2021 4:12 PM
elksy - 20 Jul 2021 10:27 AM

Yes they are going to remove the only regional club, which has its own COE, Stadium, youth structure and rusted on supporter, and they're going to put them in an untested market.
That just sounds stupid

Never said they were going to, but if they did its one of the most likely, smallest fanbase, owner wants out, clubs been a nightmare on and off the field for years, the reality is, if people are invest in our league, they need clubs with large catchments to gain support and ultimately revenue with generates profit.

Personally I wish that the mariners or any current team isnt given the cut, Central Coast away matches as an SFC fan, are one of the best parts about the a league season.
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huddo - 20 Jul 2021 4:12 PM
elksy - 20 Jul 2021 10:27 AM

Yes they are going to remove the only regional club, which has its own COE, Stadium, youth structure and rusted on supporter, and they're going to put them in an untested market.
That just sounds stupid

 Maybe they need a few more than just one lonely rusted on supporter?
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-report-to-be-bullish-about-tassie-team-s-viability-20210812-p58icc.html

Well, looks like a Tasmanian Franchise FC is out for the foreseeable future.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Aug 2021 11:07 AM
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-report-to-be-bullish-about-tassie-team-s-viability-20210812-p58icc.html

Well, looks like a Tasmanian Franchise FC is out for the foreseeable future.

That AFL would move to Tassie was at some point going to happen....
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Tasmanian AFL people are PISSED
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I understand the Tassie government is threatening to pull all funding for AFL, so this is the perfect time for the FA to lobby the tassie govt.

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A-League’s instagram story suggests there’ll be expansion next year. https://instagram.com/stories/aleague/2679130518525888624?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&utm_medium=copy_link
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sportaddict - 7 Oct 2021 9:24 PM
A-League’s instagram story suggests there’ll be expansion next year. https://instagram.com/stories/aleague/2679130518525888624?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&utm_medium=copy_link

An article on Aleague Hub this morning as well.
Yippee!!! I pissed my pants.
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No bid process this time? Have they given up pretending?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 8 Oct 2021 4:06 PM
No bid process this time? Have they given up pretending?bu
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Looking like that  
I think the big focus will more cringe "derbies" cringe 
in particular south qld (bstrikers or GCU)
Canberra in a fair world yes but doesn't bring the sizzle or a derby
Adelaide City would be a good fit as a known brand a SA derby
further Melbourne teams would be poison at the moment  Fuck WU
Auckland City to be a wwc23 legacy candidate as well a NZ derby with nix
Wollongong same as Canberra

APL will pick GCU & Auckland because it = more cringe "derbies" cringe and they will fail like last time





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So the NRL just announced a new club to come into the comp in 2023. It made me jealous in the hope that such a thing could happen for Canberra soon, and similarly well in advance, in the A-League! 
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Darwin seems like a stretch Cairns maybe but defo Canberra. struth.

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GDeathe - 8 Oct 2021 5:13 PM
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Looking like that  
I think the big focus will more cringe "derbies" cringe 
in particular south qld (bstrikers or GCU)
Canberra in a fair world yes but doesn't bring the sizzle or a derby
Adelaide City would be a good fit as a known brand a SA derby
further Melbourne teams would be poison at the moment  Fuck WU
Auckland City to be a wwc23 legacy candidate as well a NZ derby with nix
Wollongong same as Canberra

APL will pick GCU & Auckland because it = more cringe "derbies" cringe and they will fail like last time





Good poll here for some derby names. Fascinating to read what the target market of the Isuzu Trucks leagues wants from expansion franchises....
https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/qp2jwz/what_name_should_be_given_to_melbourne_victory_vs/

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I hate posting anything from news.com.au but I haven't seen this anywhere else. Copy/pasting the article so no one else actually has to click the link and give them traffic.

Expansion for A-League could come as early as next season | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

A-League could grow as early as next season to ensure a fairer competition
A ‘strategic review’ will decide when and where the men’s A-League competition will expand.

A 14-team A-League remains a possibility for next season, with the Australian Professional Leagues to conduct a “strategic review” into expansion over the next six months.

The new season kicked off on the weekend amid the fallout from Adelaide United coach Carl Veart’s comments that the competition isn’t fair because teams don’t play each other the same amount of times.

The APL, which runs the A-League, wasn’t thrilled with Veart going public with his thoughts last Friday, despite admitting the competition’s structure isn’t “perfect”.

The 12 A-League clubs play each other at least twice, before playing another four teams a third time to meet the minimum Asian Football Confederation requirement for clubs of 26 games per season.

“It might not be ideal and it might not be a perfect structure, which I think we all agree, but to call it unfair is probably inappropriate,” APL managing director Danny Townsend said.

Adding two teams will ensure a genuine 26-round home and away season. Clubs and players, as well as Socceroos coach Graham Arnold, are screaming out for more games for the betterment of Australian football.

A 16-team competition consisting of 30 regular season rounds, plus finals, is widely regarded as the ideal A-League structure.

“The APL has stated that it’s our objective to get to a full home and away season, with either 14 or 16 teams, depending on the outcome of the strategic plan,” said Townsend, who “wouldn’t rule out” teams being added to the A-League as soon as next season.

“The APL has stated that it’s our objective to get to a full home and away season, with either 14 or 16 teams, depending on the outcome of the strategic plan,” said Townsend, who “wouldn’t rule out” teams being added to the A-League as soon as next season.

“There will be a strategic review on our process of expansion conducted over the next six months with a view to actioning that strategy once it’s complete.

“We need to do work on what the process should be, not what is the process itself, because we don’t know that yet.”

The location of potential expansion clubs remains a hot topic, with the APL understood to be receiving plenty of inquiries from interested investors.

A second New Zealand team, most likely based in Auckland, has been discussed, as has a Canberra side to sit alongside the national capital’s women’s A-League outfit.

Tasmania remains an expansion option, as do second teams in Queensland, South Australia and Western Australia.


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Sounds to me like this has been bubbling away in the background for a while now and there’s little murmurs starting to get out. I highly doubt they just rocked up at the start of this week to APL HQ and started discussing it cause Carl had a swipe at them.

I just hope to god they don’t repeat the failings of the last round of expansion. The most important factor in expansion should be ensuring fans/resident actually want or will support a team.
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CHEP - 23 Nov 2021 12:47 PM
Sounds to me like this has been bubbling away in the background for a while now and there’s little murmurs starting to get out. I highly doubt they just rocked up at the start of this week to APL HQ and started discussing it cause Carl had a swipe at them.

I just hope to god they don’t repeat the failings of the last round of expansion. The most important factor in expansion should be ensuring fans/resident actually want or will support a team.

Woolongong Wolves will be in next season. 
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What Bullshit!! How can 2 teams come in next year?? Stupid leading stupid.
6 months of so-called research then to get expressions of interest and then to officially go and pick 2 teams, give them enough time to set up and recruit. This is All going to be in place for next sesson?
Apl/FA cannot get a Second Tier competition up and running without pro/rel in that place holder spot in the footballing calender as it is.
Expansion used to give Gallop integestion, these guys get the same.
Townsend and co will lose money if they accept more teams.
Prolonging expansion is their desired result.


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Stenson - 23 Nov 2021 1:49 PM
What Bullshit!! How can 2 teams come in next year?? Stupid leading stupid.
6 months of so-called research then to get expressions of interest and then to officially go and pick 2 teams, give them enough time to set up and recruit. This is All going to be in place for next sesson?
Apl/FA cannot get a Second Tier competition up and running without pro/rel in that place holder spot in the footballing calender as it is.
Expansion used to give Gallop integestion  these guys get the same.
Townsend and co will lose money if they accept more teams.
Prolonging expansion is they're desired result.


And yet, by selling two licenses in the space of 6 months Silver Lake will claw back almost 50% of their "investment into Australian Soccer" ......Who would have thought huh?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 23 Nov 2021 1:54 PM
Stenson - 23 Nov 2021 1:49 PM

And yet, by selling two licenses in the space of 6 months Silver Lake will claw back almost 50% of their "investment into Australian Soccer" ......Who would have thought huh?

Does make you wonder who is calling the shots now.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 23 Nov 2021 1:54 PM
Stenson - 23 Nov 2021 1:49 PM

And yet, by selling two licenses in the space of 6 months Silver Lake will claw back almost 50% of their "investment into Australian Soccer" ......Who would have thought huh?
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Tomato or Soy sauce in a Yeeros, Not Happenning!


Yuk!!!! Thats sounds gross mate, wouldn't feed that to my dog :)
Maybe they can serve that up next year at the "Thanksgiving Round" or during the "Super Soccer Superbowl" match ..... lol
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Surely they are better off having a second division structured correctly instead of parachuting in new teams immediately. 

Who cares if its uneven games? Its not an issue at the moment.

A second division with a mix of established and new entitys formed and playing in 2023, with promotion for the top 3 to head into the A-league in 2024, with Pro/rel of 1 up 1 down from 2025 onwards has to be the structure.

Also, a NSD doesnt work if the A-league continues to be played in Summer. It needs to be moved to winter and played alongside the Asian leagues and communtiy football in Australia. Stadiums are not a concern anymore. The league needs to fight for its own shre of the pie. 

Also, 15 teams is the peak for the A-league. Play everyone twice and have a bye. 16 teams and 8 a week games is overkill for mine. Not enough talent either. 



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Squidley - 24 Nov 2021 12:40 PM
Surely they are better off having a second division structured correctly instead of parachuting in new teams immediately. 

Who cares if its uneven games? Its not an issue at the moment.

A second division with a mix of established and new entitys formed and playing in 2023, with promotion for the top 3 to head into the A-league in 2024, with Pro/rel of 1 up 1 down from 2025 onwards has to be the structure.

Also, a NSD doesnt work if the A-league continues to be played in Summer. It needs to be moved to winter and played alongside the Asian leagues and communtiy football in Australia. Stadiums are not a concern anymore. The league needs to fight for its own shre of the pie. 

Also, 15 teams is the peak for the A-league. Play everyone twice and have a bye. 16 teams and 8 a week games is overkill for mine. Not enough talent either. 



You just gave reasons it can't work  all the while there are disenfranchised passionate football people in this country putting up with fat cats calling shots. Second tier, expansion, trasfer fees economy!!!@@!!!!!!!!!!!hurry the fcuk up!!!!
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Monoethnic Social Club - 23 Nov 2021 1:54 PM
Stenson - 23 Nov 2021 1:49 PM

And yet, by selling two licenses in the space of 6 months Silver Lake will claw back almost 50% of their "investment into Australian Soccer" ......Who would have thought huh?

The Silver Lake investment will apparently be $130m and that is just for a minority stake in the league. I can't see a pair of licenses going for $60m+, can you?
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Stenson - 23 Nov 2021 1:49 PM
What Bullshit!! How can 2 teams come in next year?? Stupid leading stupid.
6 months of so-called research then to get expressions of interest and then to officially go and pick 2 teams, give them enough time to set up and recruit. This is All going to be in place for next sesson?
Apl/FA cannot get a Second Tier competition up and running without pro/rel in that place holder spot in the footballing calender as it is.
Expansion used to give Gallop integestion, these guys get the same.
Townsend and co will lose money if they accept more teams.
Prolonging expansion is their desired result.


I think they recognise that Gallop's open bid system was the wrong way to go about expansion. It left a lot of parties investing a huge amount of energy into getting bids going and then being deflated when they lost, without anything else to do but take their ball and go home, since a second division was a distant mirage even for the ones interested in it. In fact, they could have had an entire second division with the number of bids that didn't make the cut.

And then the FFA went and picked two of the most underwhelming bids of the lot, just because they dangled a bit of cash upfront, Gallop had a boner for derbies (which have instead been cheapened through inflation) and Foxtel said they only wanted extra Sydney and Melbourne teams, because apparently viewers outside of the two biggest cities don't exist. It's almost a lesson in not what to do.

With the APL running things I suspect there has been a lot of behind-the-scenes movement, especially with Canberra which is pretty much an open secret, and then probably also Wollongong and Gold Coast. All three have suitable stadiums, don't cut into existing teams' fanbases and have existing club structures (either NPL or ALW) to build upon, so there is much less of a chance that they will fail the way WU and Macarthur have so far.

Pick Canberra and one of those two, then let the other one know they have a spot in ca. 2025 along with Tassie or Auckland. And meanwhile, let existing NPL clubs work on starting up the NSD, even as a semi-pro comp. By the second half of the 2020s you have the framework for a proper football pyramid.
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A second bid team for Canberra has emerged: Another bid team launched to get Canberra into the A-League | Riotact (the-riotact.com)
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Pretty much to make the club championship make sense:
A-league Men: Canberra
A-league woman: expanded to mirror  A-league Men  
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Looks like Brisbane Gladiators pty ltd have given up trying to appeal to "mainstream" Aleague and happy to just be themselves.... Love to see it:
https://twitter.com/NPLAustralia/status/1469126391555715073

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Expansion would be great, so many options right now: Tasmanian Abyss, South East Qld Mlkyways, Aukland Cattle stations or Canberra Extreme Left Wingers.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 10 Dec 2021 5:09 PM
Looks like Brisbane Gladiators pty ltd have given up trying to appeal to "mainstream" Aleague and happy to just be themselves.... Love to see it:
https://twitter.com/NPLAustralia/status/1469126391555715073

I feel gross for replying to the bitter who has ruined this forum but City never changed anything.
The A-League bid was a different entity, exactly the same way the Roar were a different entity to the Lions.


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