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+x+x+xThey definitely deserved more of a chance. From memory, it got caught up in the failed WC bid. Once that was dead, they felt they didn't need Townsville anymore. But, not sure if things would have changed that much if they stayed a few more years. NQ had some horrible luck. Had two of the three major investors pull out months before they started. Had the usual Stadiums Qld play extreme hard ball when negotiating as a summer tenant. At one stage there was talk of playing at Tony Ireland Oval instead of Dairy Farmers at the time, in the end they needed 10,000 bums on seats just to break even. Had the GFC severly impact investors, sponsors and the general publics pockets hip pockets. Unfortunately as a summer tenant they copped some terrential conditions which would've been dreadful for attendances, those who went deserved a medal! They also had Roar give their licence back while Fury were trying to raise local commitments to fund the club. When local raising fell $1.5m short the FFA was left with having to fund Roar and an additional $1.5m above what it had committed for Fury. It chose to cease the operation of Fury. The FFA in that financial year made a loss of $4.6m on operating Adelaide until sold, operating Fury until it was shut down and taking on the running of Roar. Heartbreaking numbers when you look at what the AFL are able to swindle from taxpayers....
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+xDanny Townsend on The Global Game has said the following: APL is committed to expanding the A-Leagues Women's Competition next year. APL will NOT expand the A-League Mens competition until all the current clubs are financially stable True to their word, WU is likely to receive a licence to play in the ALW next season: https://thewomensgame.com/news/all-the-pieces-in-place-for-western-uniteds-future-a-league-womens-side-579124This leaves Macarthur as the only team without a women's team or a proper NPL youth team. And since the APL is intent on 'financial stability' like Lowy and Gallop were, the Canberra ALM team will probably be introduced by the time Western United's stadium is complete...
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So Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people.
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+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Too many of the AFL powerbrokers want this to happen mate, it will be done.... NBL and now AFL club representation in Tassie...... Aleague could have done it 5-6 years ago but old man Lowy and his cronies were too greedy.
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+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Which the Government will do because the AFL seems to be as powerful as the Government in those states where AFL is popular. Never more happy to live in NSW.
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+x+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Too many of the AFL powerbrokers want this to happen mate, it will be done.... NBL and now AFL club representation in Tassie...... Aleague could have done it 5-6 years ago but old man Lowy and his cronies were too greedy. Seriously, MSC, there was neither the money nor the interest. Unless you've grown up there as I did, it's difficult to find understand the extent to which AFL is ingrained in the culture.
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+x+x+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Too many of the AFL powerbrokers want this to happen mate, it will be done.... NBL and now AFL club representation in Tassie...... Aleague could have done it 5-6 years ago but old man Lowy and his cronies were too greedy. Seriously, MSC, there was neither the money nor the interest. Unless you've grown up there as I did, it's difficult to find understand the extent to which AFL is ingrained in the culture. ....ummm mate, Im Melbournian remember? ahahahahah I get your point but, I was surprised when I first started going to Hobart for business that the local FM stations would actively promote upcoming NPL matches..... 3MMM no less which is an AFL cheerleader radio station in the southern and western states.... they wouldn't even know what soccer was up here in Melbourne..... Anyway, the cash (supposedly) and the interest was there... just not the "fish" I guess according to Franky and Davy. https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/cashed-up-tasmania-banging-at-a-league-door/qpcurfxzf
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+x+x+x+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Too many of the AFL powerbrokers want this to happen mate, it will be done.... NBL and now AFL club representation in Tassie...... Aleague could have done it 5-6 years ago but old man Lowy and his cronies were too greedy. Seriously, MSC, there was neither the money nor the interest. Unless you've grown up there as I did, it's difficult to find understand the extent to which AFL is ingrained in the culture. ....ummm mate, Im Melbournian remember? ahahahahah I get your point but, I was surprised when I first started going to Hobart for business that the local FM stations would actively promote upcoming NPL matches..... 3MMM no less which is an AFL cheerleader radio station in the southern and western states.... they wouldn't even know what soccer was up here in Melbourne..... Anyway, the cash (supposedly) and the interest was there... just not the "fish" I guess according to Franky and Davy. https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/cashed-up-tasmania-banging-at-a-league-door/qpcurfxzf There was very little credibility re the money.. Just a lot of of very wishful thinking and noting much more.
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Tasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again.
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+x+x+x+x+xSo Tassie doesn't get a new team unless they build a new AFL stadium worth almost a billion dollars (it will easily cost that much by time built). Also, that new housing development gets shafted at time when HObart is experiencing its worst housing shortage in history. Nice people. Too many of the AFL powerbrokers want this to happen mate, it will be done.... NBL and now AFL club representation in Tassie...... Aleague could have done it 5-6 years ago but old man Lowy and his cronies were too greedy. Seriously, MSC, there was neither the money nor the interest. Unless you've grown up there as I did, it's difficult to find understand the extent to which AFL is ingrained in the culture. ....ummm mate, Im Melbournian remember? ahahahahah I get your point but, I was surprised when I first started going to Hobart for business that the local FM stations would actively promote upcoming NPL matches..... 3MMM no less which is an AFL cheerleader radio station in the southern and western states.... they wouldn't even know what soccer was up here in Melbourne..... Anyway, the cash (supposedly) and the interest was there... just not the "fish" I guess according to Franky and Davy. https://www.sbs.com.au/sport/article/cashed-up-tasmania-banging-at-a-league-door/qpcurfxzf There was very little credibility re the money.. Just a lot of of very wishful thinking and noting much more. Didnt seem to be a hurdle for the next two franchises though :)
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+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side.
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+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. As Neville Wran once asked "You from the ABC??" The main stadium in Hobart is Oval. With extra seating they can make it look rectangular. Afl can go and overspend, who cares. That's the cost of a date with Margot Robbie I would imagine.
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+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. I have been questioning the cost of the stadium too. The Tas Government has said that the $750m is an estimate and the cost will be firmed up as the design is developed. If the proposal is for a high end stadium like the new SFS with the retractable roof they want the cost could rise to $20,000 per seat plus another $100m for the roof. A 23,000 seat stadium with roof would then cost $460m + $100m which is still well short of $750m. The government authority that has been running the Macquarie Point development project for about a decade has already spent a lot of money decontaminating the site so with the change of use the estimated cost might include all of the costs that have accumulated so far too. Additionally the site is reclaimed from the river so foundation conditions could be quite poor. I have been involved in projects where 30%+ of total cost was just getting the structure out of the ground so the estimated cost of the stadium couldn't be firmed up until detailed geotechnical studies are done. There is also an existing sewage treatment plant on part of the site and there are conflicting reports on whether it stays or gets relocated. I suppose what I am saying is the $750m is a guess and until the government comes out with a cost plan for the whole project we should be taking the $750m with a grain of salt.
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+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. Hopefully the Greens will knock it on the head.
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+x+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. Hopefully the Greens will knock it on the head. Not likely when they are up against a majority government.
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+x+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. As Neville Wran once asked "You from the ABC??" The main stadium in Hobart is Oval. With extra seating they can make it look rectangular. Afl can go and overspend, who cares. That's the cost of a date with Margot Robbie I would imagine. I like how you think that the AFL would pay for it. Tasmanians will pay for it. Then they'll give the AFL cheap rent for a few years so the franchise doesn't go too far into debt. Then it will be sold to AFL for $1, and they'll then charge the Tassie team exorbitant rent so that Tasmanians are then forced to subsidise them lest they lose their beloved team.
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Can we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team
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+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team so a 4th Sydney and Melbourne team you say -- Townsend probably
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+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team What is there to suggest a Geelong team would work
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+x+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team so a 4th Sydney and Melbourne team you say -- Townsend probably I think the APL are cognizant of how much of a failure WU and Macarthur have been (DT pretty much admitted as much when he said the next expansion would follow a very different process to the last one). I imagine they will target Canberra and probably Gold Coast for bids. In which case, Boehly has gone public wanting Chelsea to globally expand a la CFG, and the Red Bull network might be interested in moving in to the A-League. Perhaps will end up seeing Canberra FC and RB Gold Coast?
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+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team There is no momentum. You are experiencing a brief distraction
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+x+x+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team so a 4th Sydney and Melbourne team you say -- Townsend probably I think the APL are cognizant of how much of a failure WU and Macarthur have been (DT pretty much admitted as much when he said the next expansion would follow a very different process to the last one). I imagine they will target Canberra and probably Gold Coast for bids. In which case, Boehly has gone public wanting Chelsea to globally expand a la CFG, and the Red Bull network might be interested in moving in to the A-League. Perhaps will end up seeing Canberra FC and RB Gold Coast? Remember, the Canberra bid apparently has secretive backing from an overseas club..
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So, have the FA/Apl listened to the Socceroos and Arnie, from all this good will after the WC? Ah, Nope, just joining in on the chorus for afew days. Then,they will join in on the chorus after the Womens WC as well and everything will still stay as politics and stagnation. What commitment to football have Johnson and others given the football code? Keep waiting.
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Surely they can now add 2 more clubs for next season ?
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+xSo, have the FA/Apl listened to the Socceroos and Arnie, from all this good will after the WC? Ah, Nope, just joining in on the chorus for afew days. Then,they will join in on the chorus after the Womens WC as well and everything will still stay as politics and stagnation. What commitment to football have Johnson and others given the football code? Keep waiting. Mate, give them 5 minutes sleep to get over this over-roaring event that has stunned most of us. Insofar JJ is concerned, he's been a read herring for football.
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+x+xSo, have the FA/Apl listened to the Socceroos and Arnie, from all this good will after the WC? Ah, Nope, just joining in on the chorus for afew days. Then,they will join in on the chorus after the Womens WC as well and everything will still stay as politics and stagnation. What commitment to football have Johnson and others given the football code? Keep waiting. Mate, give them 5 minutes sleep to get over this over-roaring event that has stunned most of us. Insofar JJ is concerned, he's been a read herring for football. Johnson and the other politicians didnt get tired from running around on the pitch, they are all fresh as daisies, in they're wealth. Arnie been banging on about this for years. Infact, Johnson could have announced something before the team went to Qatar as his own good will.
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+x+x+x+xCan we capitalize on this momentum with a club or two?
Probably a few places could manage a team getting near 10k
- a 2nd perth team - a second brizzy team - a geelong team - a gong team - a canberra team - a hobart team so a 4th Sydney and Melbourne team you say -- Townsend probably I think the APL are cognizant of how much of a failure WU and Macarthur have been (DT pretty much admitted as much when he said the next expansion would follow a very different process to the last one). I imagine they will target Canberra and probably Gold Coast for bids. In which case, Boehly has gone public wanting Chelsea to globally expand a la CFG, and the Red Bull network might be interested in moving in to the A-League. Perhaps will end up seeing Canberra FC and RB Gold Coast? Remember, the Canberra bid apparently has secretive backing from an overseas club.. Yeh, but is that good or bad? What if it's Chinese or Russian backing? Why has there been this trend of anonymous foreign backers?
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I guess the question is what have agreement does the APL and CH10/P+ have in place for expansion? That would have had to have been part of the negotiations. 20 or so months ago. There must be scope for expansion inside the lifetime of this TV deal.
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+x+x+x+xTasmania have main Stadiums in Hobart and Launceston already. Let the Afl get nicked and build a new one in the S/E of Hobart. Why can't Blundstone Arena, with 20k capacity atm, get seating put in until the field looks rectangular, the capacity would most likely grow to 25k then. The point is there are existing Stadia so the FA/APL can manage to add the seating and therefore, be positioned to introduce a Tasmanian team. C'mon Ernie, 'disrupt,' get into them abit. The FA/APL are blinded or hypnotised by foreign owner investment, to the point that they are experiencing Sleep Paralysis, or impotency. Ernie needs to be the 'Viagra' solution to get movement again. How does a 25k seater stadium costs $750m anyway? Bankwest cost $300m for 30k. Even Optus Stadium, Adelaide Oval and the proposed rebuild of the Gabba were/are under $1b and that's for 50-60k stadia. You could probably squeeze a 10k stadium into the site of FFT's existing KGV Stadium. A Tassie A-League side wouldn't really need more than that. Cornelian Bay has been another location mooted for a football ground. Either would be a lot cheaper than what the AFL is demanding. From a Tasmanian perspective Macquarie Point would be much profitably redeveloped for high-density housing, rather than the money pit of an AFL side. As Neville Wran once asked "You from the ABC??" The main stadium in Hobart is Oval. With extra seating they can make it look rectangular. Afl can go and overspend, who cares. That's the cost of a date with Margot Robbie I would imagine. I like how you think that the AFL would pay for it. Tasmanians will pay for it. Then they'll give the AFL cheap rent for a few years so the franchise doesn't go too far into debt. Then it will be sold to AFL for $1, and they'll then charge the Tassie team exorbitant rent so that Tasmanians are then forced to subsidise them lest they lose their beloved team. That's why I hope we never use Marvel Stadium again.
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