i would love to see some data about how much ppl from out there go to wsw games. especially this season, the journey from campbelltown to olympic park is towards 45 minutes-1hr. a similar time frame as fairfield to central. 

Macarthur would be a long term strategy, and as previously mentioned, Macarthur and Liverpool together have just under half a million people which is a very good starting point. To put it in perspective Sutherland, Kograh and Hurstville only has 306 000 combined and not much more room to grow the population.

I firmly believe if you wanted to go to Sydney next this would make the most sense, especially because it will have the least amount of impact on any current a league team. Very few fans come from Campbelltown to see the WSW

a fancy stadium in townsville is not going to change the fact that half the games will be played in monsoonal conditions that time of year (unless it has a roof of course).

as much as id love to see a team in south-west sydney out of campbelltown then moving on to liverpool/badgerys creek in the future, i just cant see it happening. there is not enough people south or west of liverpool to sustain a team. southern sydney has a better chance since they have the shire and st george.

Yep I think if anyone from Bankstown were likely to go for a South Sydney team it would be from that area you describe, Padstow/East Hills/Picnic Point/Menai. By and large though Bankstown is either Sydney or Wanderers. 


Shire people exist in a bubble. I think a fair few Sydney FC members come from this area so it would be interesting to see those particular members loyalty to Sydney FC vs the tribalism of the Shire. It would also be interesting to see how many Cronulla Sharks fans jumped on a South Sydney team based on the Sharks association with this new team. 


I've read that the plan isn't to build it until 2025? It sounds like the new location would really turbo charge attendances across all sports in comparison to the current location. 

I would like to ask - Do you think the lack of roof on Bruce Stadium would be more of an issue for the winter sports rather than football in summer? Standing in the rain at any time of year is obviously not ideal, but Canberra at night in the middle of winter would be a drag compared to a nice summer afternoon/evening in the summer. Could football get better attendances than league/union purely on spectators not having to freeze their arse off in the Canberra winter? 

Asian expansion is back http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/jon-smith-the-deal-details-of-southeast-asia-expansion-rejected-by-football-federation-australia/news-story/2ff71c959a750c0c50b2bb7f825ea108

A few blokes I was at the FFA cup match with this week were suggesting that Viking park could be a potential home for a canberra a-league team in the first season or two.

It was agreed that it would need significant upgrades, with more proper seating, facilities and parking. And that maybe it is a touch small with a capacity of 7-8k. 

The rationale was similar to the victory scenario, where they played at a smaller venue, let the interest grow and filled up the stadium week in week out, before moving to a bigger venue with an established support base.

We all agreed that the FFA wouldn't let it happen though, which is a shame because it would probably be the difference between turning a profit on matchday and making a significant loss at canberra stadium.

Mind you, everyone here is pretty hopeful that the touted covered rectangular stadium in the city plan comes through, which would be a masterstroke for canberra sporting teams.

I read an article a few months back which statistically said people from the Shire were less likely to leave the area than any other place in Sydney/NSW. I work in the area and can definitely feel that people are very loyal to the area. I think that loyalty would be transferred to a football team. 

Free the ip.

North Queensland Cowboys for A-League.

Townsville in. 

New stadium to built in Townsville by 2020
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/townsville-businesses-on-list-for-city-stadium-project/news-story/8345e70ed083eb1e302e522d69feb372

Looks perfect for an aleague team.

I used to work with a guy on that was part of the Bankstown football association. He seemed to think that the areas south of Bankstown, mainly those along the Georges River, would be far more likely to split with those Bankstown up to support a side from South Sydney/Sutherland.

A team based in Liverpool is ideal. Sutherland won't work long term, it's insular geographically (and culturally) and there is no room to grow. The only thing going for it is it has a boutique stadium.

I have stated many times, I think WSW will sell out the new stadium. That will leave fans in the region unable to attend so do think it is such a big. Perhaps they would lose some merch sales but the benefits with a SWS would be worth more imo. 

I can't quote people on my phone, but as a resident in the Bankstown area I have to agree with one of the above posts, I find it unlikely in the extreme that people from Bankstown would be into a Southern Sydney team.

I think a SW Sydney team is a great idea though. Appropriately sized stadium, an NPL club to piggyback onto (also with its own new facilities), train line serves the area fairly well, junior participation numbers, a growth area, still in the TV zone, creates a Western derby. Does cannibalise WSW support but so does a South Sydney team to SFC.

I don't think Greg O-Rourke has heard of this forum. Paddy might be part of an Auckland bunch designed "to get the public onside".

Again, more PR bluff and bluster from NZ. How long will this fraud on Australian Soccer continue?

You could be right, after all FourFourTwo members generally choose which expansion team will be next, so he's come to the right place.

Yeah the Red Bull owners are just dying to sell their product to those 2500 Nix Members.

The population has changed in Auckland? The farrrk does that have to anything! Have 200,000 football-hungry fans moved into Auckland or something? Melbourne is growing currently at 90,000. Roads and infrastructure can't keep up with that rate of growth. What fraud are you trying to sell paddy?

X2.

Daily Football Show expansion discussion

https://mobile.twitter.com/DFS_AUS?p=s

https://mobile.twitter.com/DFS_AUS/status/788609549204856833?p=v

I will shoot you down right there. Canadian FA might block 3 x MLS teams. See here http://forum.insidesport.com.au/2432203/Canadian-MLS-Visa-Dispute-Eerily-Similar-to-Some-ALeague-Issues

Oh and my usual comments RE: NZ inclusion apply. It is an attempt to pull wool (literally) over one's eyes.

This Paddy bloke pushing Auckland is suss. The Daily Football Show had Greg O'Rourke on this week and he is saying that he keeps getting Unsolicited Propositions from a so called Auckland Bid Consortium?

Is Paddy part of this push?

I can see both a Southern Sydney team and a South West Sydney team before a northern team. A Southern Sydney team will take some support of SFC and will force them to work harder to be the team for all of Eastern Sydney, including the Northern Suburbs, the Forest area and the Northern beaches. In the same way a South West Sydney team looking at everything south of Liverpool and Wallacia all the way down to Bargo will force WSW to concentrate on the west and north west. 

I don't think so. Culturally, a team from Western Sydney would suit residents more than a team from Kogarah/St George. I speak from my experience living in Bankstown, Parramatta and working in the Shire which is close to Kogarah and St George. People in Kogarah and St George would mostly support Sydney FC. 

Bankstown, lakemba etc would rather associate themselves with a team from the south basing themselves at kogarah or st george than a team from the south-west in campbelltown.

potential for a south-west team however i couldnt see it happening until atleast after the south and north has a team. of course im not in that catchment but it just feels relying on macarthur and badgerys creek alone wont be enough

The only issue being they are already Wanderers fans, but put a club closer to home and Campbelltown/Liverpool would work I think. Bankstown is too far

Anyone know if South West Sydney/Campbelltown-Macarthur are bidding for the next licence. I know the council was open to the idea a few years ago with support from Emerton.

Would be a great idea IMO, new airport being built with added infrastructure, fastest growing region of Sydney in terms of houses as its the only semi affordable area left in Sydney so plenty of room for the fan base to grow with several housing estates being built, Campbelltown Stadium is a decent rectangular stadium that fits 20 000 and is used maybe 3-4 times a year , only area of Sydney not yet represented and wont impact WSW too much as Parramatta about 45 min away, reasonable public transport.

If WSW took north of Liverpool to the Hills and west to Penrith that is still plenty of room for the new South West Sydney team to take from Liverpool (Population: 180 000) south to Bargo (Macarthur region Population: 280 000) and west to the oaks and potentially east to Bankstown (Bankstown population 203 000). You wouldn't even need to really go as far as Bankstown as this would be a long term project for a team to grow with its region that has a starting population of 460 000 (Liverpool and Macarthur) to build from.

It will also supply 6 derbies a year, is in Sydney TV zone, corporate sponsors easier to come by due to being in a major city.

Whilst the region sounds like a great idea and ticks all of the boxes, it would obviously be dependant on the financial model that any potential owner presents, and would need to be done like WSW with fan forums. It does have the potential to be as successful as WSW if done properly though.

Lol. Please dont attempt to reduce my logical and concise points to i just want an argument. Youre being disingenous about WPFC/WELLNIX/NZFA agendas. Youve tried to casually pull the wool over our eyes. Aus football public arent that daft unfortunately.


1. We should never consider a foreign team imo. Especially not when we have more than ample viable expansion options in australia. Its lunacy truth be told.

2. Youre wrong. A failed experiment is a failed experiment. I personally didnt make aukland fail. I dont understand how im being disingenous. The knights were an disaster  Youre asking us to revisit a disaster. Understand that.

" For you to say its only benefit is its population is just plain ridiculous, and basing your evidence off a poorly implemented, financed and marketed team who folded a decade ago is shameful."

Lol. I didnt say that about popualtion. Get your facts straight. On the contrary. I said the population thing is a red herring. I said Hong kong and holland have smaller populations than Australia and yet they both respectively have more clubs than us. The nz popukation thing is a bunch of bs. We have more than sufficient population for more teams as evidenced by my examples.

3. We agree nz sky offer no ROI.

4. Youre citing englsih fa/wales incusion...and mls/canada inclusion.... same confeds.... nz and asia different confeds. Youre using a convienient albeit flawed example. Wake and smell the mung beans... aus is in asia,. Nz isnt.

5. Now Im a part of the problem in your eyes bc i want expansion in my own country? No mate youre part of the nz football existential problem. The nix live in a grey area. Their mere existence is an aberration and to go further down the nz road is simply bad business practice. 

If aukland comes up as an expansion options in 6 months,  then heads should roll at ffa. Its an absurd argument for expansion. Wellington fc, their coach and nzfa are on record stating their agenda is for the furthering of nz football and the all whites. I dont see why a second nz team would change that... in fact i can only see this problem being exacerbated by auklands inclusion. Our admins agenda should be soley focused on the betterment of Australian football.

NZ are stuck in Oceania, unless all teams come to Asia. I dont see why the AFC would allow in another country that could potentially take a spot away from a middle eastern team in the wc.