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The Times of Israel wrote:No Israeli flag in Qatar for Swimming World Cup finalistsAmit Ivri wins silver with national record-breaking performance; four other Israelis make finals BY TIMES OF ISRAEL STAFF October 22, 2013, 12:38 pm The organizers of the Swimming World Cup in Doha, Qatar, on Sunday failed to show the Israeli flag in their computer graphics displaying the races, substituting a white flag in its place, and failed to display the country name “Israel” — instead using “IRS” — in several of the cup’s races. Some races in which Israelis featured were also not broadcast by the Qatar authorities, according to some reports. Amit Ivri, who won silver in the women’s 100-meter individual medley and broke the Israeli record in the process, said Tuesday that the experience was highly unpleasant, but she also stressed that the Israeli flag was raised when she stood on the podium to receive her silver medal. “I’d much rather not talk about politics,” she told Army Radio. Qatar's footage of the end of the 100-meter individual medley, in which Israel's Amit Ivri won the silver medal. Instead of the Israeli flag, a white flag is displayed. (screen capture: YouTube)She said that prior races, held in Dubai, took place in a warmer atmosphere for the Israelis. But Gal Nevo, who finished fifth in the men’s 200-meter individual medley in Qatar, said Israel was airbrushed out of the graphics in the early stages of the Dubai event too, although there was later “an improvement.” Yesh Atid MK Yoel Rozbozov called the treatment of the Israeli delegation “shameful to all participants,” and vowed to file an official complaint with the International Olympic Committee and the International Swimming Federation.
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arabianbusiness.com wrote:Qatar removes Israeli flag after online backlash By Erika Widén Tuesday, 22 October 2013 4:26 PM
An Israeli flag flying outside a Doha sports complex during the staging of an international swimming event was removed after complaints from some residents in Qatar, it was reported. The Israeli flag had been flying outside Doha’s Hamad Aquatic Center when the two-day FINA Swimming World Cup 2013 began on Sunday, Doha News reported. Following a backlash on social media, security guards removed the flag on Monday, the report confirmed. Israel was one of 32 countries competing in the swimming event and the inclusion of its four swimmers led the Qatar Youth Opposed to Normalization (QAYON) to post a letter to the Qatar Swimming Association urging a boycott of Israel competitors. “It was brought to our attention that QSA is currently hosting the two-day FINA World Cup series leg... We were distressed to see Qatari residents report seeing the Israeli flag marking the presence of Israeli swimmers on social media... We, Qatar Youth Opposed to Normalization, made up of Qatari citizen and residents, are strongly opposed to this visit,” the QAYON said in its letter of objection.
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paladisious
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riyadhconnect.com wrote:Qataris shocked to see Israeli flag flying high in Qataron Oct 21, 2013 An Israeli flag was spotted along with flags of other countries on Sunday, 20 October outside the Hamad Aquatic Center (Aspire) in Qatar, the venue for the FINA (International Swimming Federation) Swimming World Cup. The picture of the Israeli flag that went viral on Twitter was first tweeted by Sara AlDisi.  According to Qatar Living, she said that Qataris and others were shocked to see the picture. The fact that the flag was put up so boldly within and outside the aquatic center has shocked some people. Apparently, it has never happened before even though Israelis have come to Qatar before. According to Sara, Israeli participation was not publicized. “Qatar Olympic Committee made sure to never mention Israeli when listing countries in news,” reported in Qatar Living, an online community website in Qatar. The swimming world cup was held on 20 and 21 October in Qatar. The FINA website has uploaded a country-wise list of participants on its website. Here is a screenshot of the list.  In a picture taken on Monday, 21 October 2013, the Israeli flag was missing, most likely because authorities took it down. 
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socceroossupporter
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Take down all the flags and put this one up instead:
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What happens if they qualify in 2022. Seriously fucked that country.
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Joffa
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Yes, lets let these people host a world cup
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Eastern Glory
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well it's their fault anyway...
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I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events.
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zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. i can only imagine the outrage that would be unleashed if the shoe was on the other foot........hypocrites
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paulbagzFC
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Depends what makes a "legitimate" country. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:Depends what makes a "legitimate" country.
-PB religion???;) ;) ;)
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zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
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paladisious
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zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. So much for the reputation of being good hosts to guests, eh?
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zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
can you go further and explain why?????
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events.
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RedKat wrote:batfink wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. i can only imagine the outrage that would be unleashed if the shoe was on the other foot........hypocrites Agree with both comments in this. Ridiculous how precious they are. Really really want Israel to make it to the World Cup and then knock Qatar out. That'd be great. Qatar can get fucked.
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zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. batfink wrote: i can only imagine the outrage that would be unleashed if the shoe was on the other foot........hypocrites
You all know that i dont think the Arab countries are the ideal examples of Islam and what the religion teaches. I cant guarantee anything if it had been on the other foot, for me personally i would have understood why and would not have outraged. But if a few countries act like retards then they do not represent the Islamic population of the world. You really do not understand how much disappointment there is towards Arab countries from Muslims. These countries have resources and everything yet they do not carry on like Muslims should. They indulge in unislamic things and pretend to be the shining example of Muslim leadership when in fact they are not. RedKat wrote:
Agree with both comments in this.
Ridiculous how precious they are. Really really want Israel to make it to the World Cup and then knock Qatar out.
See, we can agree sometimes. I too wouldnt mind seeing what happens if Israel make the World Cup. Would be very interesting. Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. paladisious wrote: So much for the reputation of being good hosts to guests, eh?
Like i said, there are people out there who are muslim by name and only that. They dont act like Muslims should or behave in that manner. In much there same way their are Christians, Jews, Hindus etc etc of the same. batfink wrote: can you go further and explain why?????[/b][/color]
Dont you start. You know very well that the occupation of Palestine and the persecution of its people is extremely illegal.
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Did they get a South Asian slave to remove the flag from that pole? Seems like it would take a lot of effort.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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playmaker11 wrote:Did they get a South Asian slave to remove the flag from that pole? Seems like it would take a lot of effort. As if one of the couple of thousand actual Qataris would actually bother doing actual work, unless one ran into the flagpole in his Lamborghini, of course.
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Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you even history?
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This is gonna be a good thread.
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Eastern Glory
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:I can understand the animosity towards Israel and why the arab countries refuse to acknowledge them.
Having said that, i think that we as Muslims need to be showing the character that our religion teaches us and letting that animosity not rear its ugly head especially at world sporting events. There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Do you even history? Blue text, surely. Not in the slightest. It's an unhappy and awkward situation, but I'm not sure Palestine sees the persecution of Israel as 'totally unjustified', and i don't think they should have to see it any other way. Edited by Eastern Glory: 23/10/2013 07:18:34 PM
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Whilst Israel has done terrible things in Palestine, organisations such as Hamas and others like it are no better. For example the use of human shields is horrific not to mention some 4800 rockets which were intentionally launched at Israeli cities that have caused 13 deaths and hundreds of injuries. This figure would be a lot higher if they had better technology. I'm not trying to defend Israel but both sides of this are just as bad as each other. The sooner this is sorted out politically the better.
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Eastern Glory
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Mate I'm definitely on the anti-Israel side :lol: Good lad
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Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along?
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Eastern Glory
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afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? What country? Hard to say they have athletes when Qatar don't recognise them as a country :-k The question I have is how did the Israelis get into Qatar with passports from a country that doesn't exist?!
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Should we expect better from this farce of a country? modern-day slave labour, anti-gay laws and a football team full of foreigners paid to become citizens.
(VAR) IS NAVY BLUE
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Eastern Glory wrote:afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? What country? Hard to say they have athletes when Qatar don't recognise them as a country :-k The question I have is how did the Israelis get into Qatar with passports from a country that doesn't exist?! If you can be from Gibraltar, Basque or Catalunya and represent your 'country' then why can't Israel? I'm not going to get into the whole debate as to whether they 'deserve' to be a country or not because every man and his dog has a strong opinion on that but what I will say is that the actions of Qatar to defy the conventional acceptance of the international community is belligerent and immature. It's the international equivalent of a school child going "Lalala I can't see you, I can't hear you, lalala" because the person on the desk opposite them's books keep slipping onto their desk.
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afromanGT wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? What country? Hard to say they have athletes when Qatar don't recognise them as a country :-k The question I have is how did the Israelis get into Qatar with passports from a country that doesn't exist?! If you can be from Gibraltar, Basque or Catalunya and represent your 'country' then why can't Israel? I'm not going to get into the whole debate as to whether they 'deserve' to be a country or not because every man and his dog has a strong opinion on that but what I will say is that the actions of Qatar to defy the conventional acceptance of the international community is belligerent and immature. It's the international equivalent of a school child going "Lalala I can't see you, I can't hear you, lalala" because the person on the desk opposite them's books keep slipping onto their desk. Qatar refuses to acknowledge them as a country and therefore were never going to show the flag. Simple. My question remains about how the athletes actually got into Qatar :lol:
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afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? As Howard Jacobson said, just because he hated Thatcher and her government, did not make him Anti-British, or ashamed to be British. Now get over yourselves.
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Eastern Glory wrote:afromanGT wrote:Eastern Glory wrote:afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? What country? Hard to say they have athletes when Qatar don't recognise them as a country :-k The question I have is how did the Israelis get into Qatar with passports from a country that doesn't exist?! If you can be from Gibraltar, Basque or Catalunya and represent your 'country' then why can't Israel? I'm not going to get into the whole debate as to whether they 'deserve' to be a country or not because every man and his dog has a strong opinion on that but what I will say is that the actions of Qatar to defy the conventional acceptance of the international community is belligerent and immature. It's the international equivalent of a school child going "Lalala I can't see you, I can't hear you, lalala" because the person on the desk opposite them's books keep slipping onto their desk. Qatar refuses to acknowledge them as a country and therefore were never going to show the flag. Simple. My question remains about how the athletes actually got into Qatar :lol: Can you imagine the international uproar Netanyahu would have started? :lol:
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It would have been fantastic :lol:
Until it resulted in bombings, then the hypothetical scenario would become very sad.
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It shouldn't matter whether Qatar recognises Israel or not, Israel is a member of FINA, if it didn't want to recognise Israel then it shouldn't of hosted an event that Israel is a part of.
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Yep, it's not about recognising countries, it's about recognising the member association (or whatever they call them) in the world swimming body FINA, just as is done with members of FIFA, which is the clear obligation of hosts of a tournament.
Not one single host of the Olympics or World Cup recognise the state of the Republic of China, but Chinese Taipei have been welcomed to qualify to all of them, and if a host country tore down their flag it'd be unthinkable.
Apples and apples, going by this argument.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs.
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Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx.
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paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it.
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Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but.
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This thread:  What a shock. :lol:
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paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but. You mean the bits the Arabs lost after they stupidly attacked Israel. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then those areas would not be in Israel's control. They should not complain about what they did to themselves.
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afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? [youtube]dEkpGhmIC_U[/youtube]
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Could say the Syrian crisis is being airbrushed out of all the media . Here is one for you all , Syrian civilian casualties are being smuggled into Israel for medical attention , and being returned when well enough to do so . Not being reported for fear of reprisals against the wounded . Carry on.
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Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but. You mean the bits the Arabs lost after they stupidly attacked Israel. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then those areas would not be in Israel's control. They should not complain about what they did to themselves. I actually have no words to respond to such idiotic sentiments.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but. You mean the bits the Arabs lost after they stupidly attacked Israel. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then those areas would not be in Israel's control. They should not complain about what they did to themselves. I actually have no words to respond to such idiotic sentiments. To be fair the territories won in '67 were because of an Israeli preemptive attack. Not that it wasn't duly provoked as the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian armies massed on Israel's borders each fielding 100000, 75000 and 55000 troops respectively.
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YerNathanael wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but. You mean the bits the Arabs lost after they stupidly attacked Israel. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then those areas would not be in Israel's control. They should not complain about what they did to themselves. I actually have no words to respond to such idiotic sentiments. To be fair the territories won in '67 were because of an Israeli preemptive attack. Not that it wasn't duly provoked as the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian armies massed on Israel's borders each fielding 100000, 75000 and 55000 troops respectively. I love it how he justifies Israel originally getting their land via the UN, and then also saying they deserve the extra lebensraum thanks to winning a war, even though the UN condemned it. I'm on neither side of the debate, for the record, it's just when anyone weighs in with so much stupid I can't help it. :-$
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paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. Where do I sign up oh great one.
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None of this debate has made Qatar any better of a host, by the way.
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Iridium1010 wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. Where do I sign up oh great one. Rites are still in pre-planning phase, but I assume it'll be .gif related.
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paladisious wrote:YerNathanael wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. If you can get the United Nations to give you my house then you are welcome to it. UN never gave Israel parts that they've since grabbed, but. You mean the bits the Arabs lost after they stupidly attacked Israel. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then those areas would not be in Israel's control. They should not complain about what they did to themselves. I actually have no words to respond to such idiotic sentiments. To be fair the territories won in '67 were because of an Israeli preemptive attack. Not that it wasn't duly provoked as the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian armies massed on Israel's borders each fielding 100000, 75000 and 55000 troops respectively. I love it how he justifies Israel originally getting their land via the UN, and then also saying they deserve the extra lebensraum thanks to winning a war, even though the UN condemned it. I'm on neither side of the debate, for the record, it's just when anyone weighs in with so much stupid I can't help it. :-$ I agree that conquest doesn't equate to ownership and there was a huge debacle over the wording of the UN Resolution 242 at the end of the war. The whole thing is a mess, I for one am for separate Palistinian state.
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afromanGT wrote:Pro-Israel, Anti-Israel, whatever your stance we can all agree that there's no place for this in sport. The athletes are there to give their all for their country just like everybody else.
Can't we all just get along? You teaching us what belongs and doesn't in sport or in life in general? Go fuck yourself.
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paladisious wrote:Iridium1010 wrote:paladisious wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for any animosity toward Israel, there is nothing to understand except that it is totally unjustified persecution of Israel. Israel are totally mistreated by the Arab nations.
I really really hope you are being sarcastic. Lets just forget their illegal occupation and persecution of the people of Palestine and the Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian state, it is Israel, all of it is Israel. To call it any other name is a disgrace. Israel occupy nothing but what is rightfully theirs and all they get for it is persecution by Arabs. I've just started a religion called Paladisiousism which states that your house is rightfully mine. I'll swing by for the keys tomorrow, kthnx. Where do I sign up oh great one. Rites are still in pre-planning phase, but I assume it'll be .gif related. No thanks, I'm forming a break away religion.
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paladisious wrote: I love it how he justifies Israel originally getting their land via the UN, and then also saying they deserve the extra lebensraum thanks to winning a war, even though the UN condemned it.
I'm on neither side of the debate, for the record, it's just when anyone weighs in with so much stupid I can't help it. :-$
It would help if you used English words, I have no idea what lebensraum is supposed to be. I am against all war including the wars that the Arabs started and lost but if you start a war and lose it I am not sure how you can complain about the result. If the Arabs had not attacked Israel then Israel would not have any different borders to those the UN gave them. Israel is not the problem it is the Arabs inability to accept that Israel should exist and others who fall for anti-Israel propaganda and believe the same. That is not to say I agree with everything Israel does, I certainly do not, but I extremely strongly believe that Israel should exist.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Oh boy.
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I got a very nice PM from Davis. I must say, this is the first time i've ever encountered this kind of childish behaviour from someone who strongly supports Israel.
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zimbos_05 wrote:I got a very nice PM from Davis. I must say, this is the first time i've ever encountered this kind of childish behaviour from someone who strongly supports Israel. Supporting the existence of Israel is childish. It says a lot about you if that is what you think.
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I knew this was how this thread would turn out :lol:
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Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up.
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Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel.
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notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter?
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Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:I got a very nice PM from Davis. I must say, this is the first time i've ever encountered this kind of childish behaviour from someone who strongly supports Israel. Supporting the existence of Israel is childish. It says a lot about you if that is what you think. No no. I never said supporting Israels existence is childish. I said your behaviour and attitude to the matter was. I am all for separate Israel and Palestinian states. But im not going to sit here and say that the current situation is justified and legal, because we all know its now.
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Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter? And there you have it guys, Israel has no need to exist.
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notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter? And there you have it guys, Israel has no need to exist. Israel did not exist in 1709 or whatever date it was that map was from. That is a fact of history. Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Israel has a need to exist. You are just being as stupid as anybody who might be offended by an accurate map of the area which is now the state of Israel because it accurately did not show the state of Israel.
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Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter? And there you have it guys, Israel has no need to exist. Israel did not exist in 1709 or whatever date it was that map was from. That is a fact of history. Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Israel has a need to exist. You are just being as stupid as anybody who might be offended by an accurate map of the area which is now the state of Israel because it accurately did not show the state of Israel. Calm down mate, you're the one that said it doesn't matter that Israel be recognised.
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notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:Nice clip notorganic. I loved The West Wing. He should have put the map up. But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter? And there you have it guys, Israel has no need to exist. Israel did not exist in 1709 or whatever date it was that map was from. That is a fact of history. Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Israel has a need to exist. You are just being as stupid as anybody who might be offended by an accurate map of the area which is now the state of Israel because it accurately did not show the state of Israel. Calm down mate, you're the one that said it doesn't matter that Israel be recognised. I did not liar.
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Davis_Patik wrote:I did not liar. Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter?
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Davis_Patik wrote: Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history.
I wonder what event ended around 1948??
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notorganic wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:I did not liar. Davis_Patik wrote:notorganic wrote:But it didn't recognise Israel. And why does that matter? As you very well know unless you are thicker than a pile of planks I was saying it does not matter that a map from 1709 (or whatever the date was) did not recognize the state of Israel because the state of Israel did not exist in 1709.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote: Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history.
I wonder what event ended around 1948?? The British mandate over the area that became the State of Israel. The United Nations voted to that that area of land should become the State of Israel. So the state of Israel came into being and it has defended that land against the attacks of its hateful and aggressive neighbors who wished to destroy it.
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paladisious wrote:This thread:  What a shock. :lol:
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Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote: Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history.
I wonder what event ended around 1948?? The British mandate over the area that became the State of Israel. The United Nations voted to that that area of land should become the State of Israel. So the state of Israel came into being and it has defended that land against the attacks of its hateful and aggressive neighbors who wished to destroy it. So the british took a piece of land that was not theres and with the UN, Israel was created. Arab countries were not happy that their land was taken so decided to take their land back, Israel said no and instead chose to expand and in the process have ignored every single UN resolution along the way.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote: Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history.
I wonder what event ended around 1948?? The British mandate over the area that became the State of Israel. The United Nations voted to that that area of land should become the State of Israel. So the state of Israel came into being and it has defended that land against the attacks of its hateful and aggressive neighbors who wished to destroy it. So the british took a piece of land that was not theres and with the UN, Israel was created. Arab countries were not happy that their land was taken so decided to take their land back, Israel said no and instead chose to expand and in the process have ignored every single UN resolution along the way. Technically speaking it was Britain's. The previous owners being the Ottoman Empire renounced their sovereignty over Palestine in the Treaty of Ankara in 1921.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Davis_Patik wrote: Israel has existed since 1948, that is another fact of history.
I wonder what event ended around 1948?? The British mandate over the area that became the State of Israel. The United Nations voted to that that area of land should become the State of Israel. So the state of Israel came into being and it has defended that land against the attacks of its hateful and aggressive neighbors who wished to destroy it. So the british took a piece of land that was not theres and with the UN, Israel was created. Arab countries were not happy that their land was taken so decided to take their land back, Israel said no and instead chose to expand and in the process have ignored every single UN resolution along the way. Wrong. The British did not take a piece of land that was not theirs. The British were given Mandate over a piece of land by the League of Nations following World War I. The British and the State of Israel both gained control over that piece of land due to decisions made by organisations made up of nations of the world.
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Its nice how a now defunct organisation could just give land to the UK and they could do whatever they wanted with it.
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zimbos_05 wrote:Its nice how a now defunct organisation could just give land to the UK and they could do whatever they wanted with it. It wasn't defunct then, so I don't see how this is relevant. :lol:
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zimbos_05 wrote:Its nice how a now defunct organisation could just give land to the UK and they could do whatever they wanted with it. Again wrong. The mandate system was meant to support the mandated areas until they were able to stand independently. Jordan was also a British Mandate that became an independent country. The British had in the 1917 Balfour Declaration declared that they supported the piece of land becoming a Jewish homeland. That was also part of the plan when the mandate was set up. Also between 1948 and 1967 Arab nations controlled parts of the piece of land and they did not give the land to a separate state but kept control of it for themselves. Yet now they expect Israel to do what they failed to do. Why should Israel give up the West Bank when Jordan failed to do so when it had control over it from 1948 to 1967? Why is it wrong for Israel to claim control over land it won during a war when the Arabs thought it was right to invade and destroy Israel so that they could claim control over land that they would have won by war?
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I honestly did not read your last post because i cant do this shit again. Every single time a topic like this comes up, people go on about how Palestine is oppressing Israel and that the Arab countries are the evils of this world.
I just cant keep doing this shit. Islam has been knocked so many times on this forum and Palestine has been ridiculed and dragged through the mud, and whilst i can sit here and take a lot of it and have open dialogue and get on well with most of you, i cant constantly take this crap about my religion and Palestine.
Say what you will about the whole issue. I know i am not educated enough on it to have an open discussion about the bare facts. I know i have a lot to learn and intend to learn that, but i just cant keep doing this shit.
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Oh Zim...
No one in this thread has attacked Islam or called Arab country's evil. Most if them are on their side on this issue FFS. You can't just keep using that mentality when trying to debate with someone. You need to stop being so sensitive whenever something vaguely to do with Islam is mentioned.
The defensive attitude is why some people dislike it so intensely.
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Well we don't know what was said in the PM.
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Iridium1010 wrote:Well we don't know what was said in the PM. There was nothing much in the PM, I did not swear, I just made a request, I even used please.
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433 wrote:Oh Zim...
No one in this thread has attacked Islam or called Arab country's evil. Most if them are on their side on this issue FFS. You can't just keep using that mentality when trying to debate with someone. You need to stop being so sensitive whenever something vaguely to do with Islam is mentioned.
The defensive attitude is why some people dislike it so intensely.
Edited by 433: 24/10/2013 11:04:41 PM I dont keep using that mentality. Im simply stating that i cant keep doing this shit. I came out and gave a fair opinion and actually argued for both sides. Davis and the like came out and pretty much called me out on what i said and accused the Arab nations of being at fault for everything. I dont need to spend my time dealing with people who refuse to acknowledge that Palestine has the right to be a state and carry on like Israel are the victims of the world. I am for both countries being their own states, but when my religion is constantly attacked at every little opportunity, then i cant keep doing this.
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Id admit, Davis never used abuse or anything in the PMs. He basically said, and im paraphrasing:
"Stop spouting anti-Israel hating propaganda. Your views are disgusting"
There was another PM after that, but you get the picture.
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433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Its nice how a now defunct organisation could just give land to the UK and they could do whatever they wanted with it. It wasn't defunct then, so I don't see how this is relevant. :lol: The Palestinian empire was defunct then, clearly they have no authority to claim the land using Zim's logic. Argument over, back to your daily lives. Edited by afromanGT: 26/10/2013 06:45:49 PM
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:Its nice how a now defunct organisation could just give land to the UK and they could do whatever they wanted with it. It wasn't defunct then, so I don't see how this is relevant. :lol: The Palestinian empire was defunct then, clearly they have no authority to claim the land using Zim's logic. Argument over, back to your daily lives. Edited by afromanGT: 26/10/2013 06:45:49 PM edit Edited by zimbos_05: 26/10/2013 08:02:43 PM
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