“I have failed to understand that you can fail to be attracted to all these beautiful women and be attracted to a man,’’ the president told reporters as he signed off on controversial anti-gay legislation that includes life prison terms for repeat offenders.
“That is a really serious matter. There is something really wrong with you,’’ he said.
Mr Museveni, a devout evangelical Christian, said the only explanation for being gay was money.
“Homosexuals are actually mercenaries. They are heterosexual people but because of money they say they are homosexuals. These are prostitutes because of money,’’ he said, asserting that he had taken the time to get scientific advice before signing off on the law.
“No study has shown you can be homosexual by nature,’’ he said. “That man can choose to love a man... is a matter of choice. After listening to the scientists, I got the facts.
“Can somebody be homosexual simply by nature? The answer is no.’’

The president said he had a particular problem with oral sex.
“One of the cultures that we detest is oral sex. The mouth is for picking food, not for sex. We know the address for sex. That address (the mouth) is not for sex,’’ he said. ``The mouth is for eating not for sex. The mouth is engineered for kissing.’’
As for gay oral sex, he said the health risks were appalling.
“It is not healthy. You can contract STD (sexually transmitted diseases). You push the mouth there, you can come back with worms and they enter your stomach because that is a wrong address. You can also contract Hepatitis B,’’ he said.
He said homosexuality in Uganda has been “provoked by the arrogant and careless Western groups that are coming in our schools and recruiting homosexuals into homosexuality and lesbianism’’.
“Initially I have not paid attention to it because I was busy with the immediate issues of defence, security, electricity, the roads,’’ the president said.
“When finally, when I concentrated my mind on it, I distilled three problems: number one, those who are promoting homosexuality and recruiting normal people to it. Secondly, as a consequence of number one, many of those recruited, are doing so for mercenary reasons. To get money. In effect, homosexual prostitutes. These mercenary homosexual prostitutes have to be punished. Just like those who are recruiting them,’’ he explained.
“Number three, homosexuals exhibiting themselves. Exhibition of homosexuals, advertising yourself that you are homosexual.’’
Mr Museveni warned critics of the law not to push the country on the matter.
“I advise friends from the West not to make this an issue because if they make it an issue the more they will lose,’’ he said. “This is social imperialism. To impose social values of one group on our society.
“I would advise Western countries, this is a no-go area,’’ he said. “I don’t mind being in a collision course with the West. I am prepared.’’

Has anyone considered the possibility that they might be good worms.....

If you ever get the chance watch Stephen Fry's documentary on homophobia around the world called "Out There". You hear crazy theories like this amongst other stupid and horrible things.

It's amazing how strong homophobia is in some parts of the world.

you base that view on a documentary made by a comedian?
have you actually been to any of the places in that television show?

you base that view on a documentary made by a comedian?
have you actually been to any of the places in that television show?

You're joking right? It's not like the lack of human rights for homosexuals around the world is not well documented.

And fwiw, my opinion isn't solely based on the documentary, I was just saying it's an insightful watch.

shall we start with Russia, Zimbabwe or Uganda? Or just go straight throughout to Muslim Middle East?

Religion :oops:

so you opinion is based on the 'documentary' and what you hear on the news right?

so you opinion is based on the 'documentary' and what you hear on the news right?

Not reading an article :oops:

You're actually saying one should be ignorant to things unless they have seen them first hand?

And have you had your head in the sand in the lead up to Sochi 2014 and all the talk about gay rights (or lack thereof) in Russia?

There's mountains of independent second hand evidence available to us that homophobia is much more prevalent in certain regions of the world.

Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,)

"standard bible bashing trash"
"straight male insecurity and idiocy"
"sort of talk you'd hear from a commission housing area in the western suburbs in Melbourne"

any other group you'd like to marginalise while you're at it?

:lol:
I was raised a Catholic, am a straight male, and until last week was a resident of the Western Suburbs.

so you're one of those self haters? ](*,)

yes homosexuals are certainly discriminated harshly in islamic countries as well as places like the USA
were they the areas the comedian's documentary covered?

Edited by ricecrackers: 27/2/2014 06:17:57 PM

"all the talk"

yes i've heard "all the talk"

perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words?

No doubt he's a fanatical religious dick but tbh in the context of this article I don't think it's relevant, I mean the reasoning he gives isn't the standard bible bashing trash, it sounds like straight male insecurity and idiocy tbh, the sort of talk you'd hear from a commission housing area in the western suburbs in Melbourne.

I've never seen the wisdom in jumping at the chance to condemn religion with ridiculous generalizations in a thread about intolerance personally.

I can and would but i cbf typing it all.

if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either
i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all

And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue?

if you're actually interested,
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I'm not going to read through 72 pages plus appendices. :lol:

read the executive summary, you'll get the idea

If you ever get the chance watch Stephen Fry's documentary on homophobia around the world called "Out There". You hear crazy theories like this amongst other stupid and horrible things.

It's amazing how strong homophobia is in some parts of the world.

Not reading an article :oops:

Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,)

I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how?

Why are they your mates?

I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how?

i'm sick of hearing about gay human rights every day to be honest. i think its used as a means to get at any country in the crosshairs and a lot of the time the reporting is not even accurate. (russia example cited earlier)

in western countries i really dont understand what the issue is. gays have the same rights as everyone else. they dont have to sit up the back of the bus because they're gay, they dont have to go to different schools and pubs because they're gay and they're not working in cotton fields for no wages because they're gay.

name one right a gay doesnt have that other humans do ^

Marriage.

The right to not be judged because they are attracted to people of the same sex, the right to ivf, the right to adopt the right to privacy,

So what is a right then?

I would argue it is a right for all humans not to be discriminated against based on gender, sexuality and race.

Allowing straight people the PRIVILEGE of marriage at the expense of gay people is a form of discrimination.

Limiting the definition of marriage to that only between and man and a woman to the exclusion of all others is a form of discrimination.

In 100 years, people will look back on this time and have great difficulty in understanding why gay people were so poorly treated.

There you have it.

I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman.

That doesn't mean your love is any less, or that you are being "denied" something. We should allow all the rights that come with marriage to gay civil unions, but the word marriage is not the correct term for these unions.

There you have it.

I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman.

That doesn't mean your love is any less, or that you are being "denied" something. We should allow all the rights that come with marriage to gay civil unions, but the word marriage is not the correct term for these unions.

I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman.

Are you sure about that?

Edited by paladisious: 2/3/2014 01:59:00 AM

it continues to amaze me how you homosexuals equate your plight with racial issues
there is no correlation whatsoever, none

get over yourselves and stop feeling sorry for yourselves and feeling like the world owes you something

you have the same rights as everyone else.

Edited by ricecrackers: 2/3/2014 12:32:29 AM

a) I'm not a homosexual.

b) I wasn't comparing gay rights to racial rights, only using an example of how legal and/or constitutional definitions can and do change over time.


But way to make yourself lose credibility. Someone doesn't agree with your stance on gay rights and suddenly they must be a homosexual.

well if you're not a homosexual, then who are you to speak for them?

well if you're not a homosexual, then who are you to speak for them?

You MUST be a troll.

:lol: oh god, I'm not even going to argue with you.

And fwiw, I was in no way speaking for "them".

a wise move, since i've obliterated every one of your positions on this matter

perhaps i need to watch dopey documentaries made by comedians to get educated about places i've never been like you

:lol: because I've said that's what I've based all my views on?

As I said before, grow up and get your head out of the clouds.

Perhaps you need to take your own advice. Since being destroyed on the topic at hand you've now turned to making it personal. This not exactly the high road of maturity.

i'm sick of hearing about gay human rights every day to be honest. i think its used as a means to get at any country in the crosshairs and a lot of the time the reporting is not even accurate. (russia example cited earlier)

in western countries i really dont understand what the issue is. gays have the same rights as everyone else. they dont have to sit up the back of the bus because they're gay, they dont have to go to different schools and pubs because they're gay and they're not working in cotton fields for no wages because they're gay.

But they can't even have a civil union because of their sexual preference. I thought marriage was meant to be about love. It's discrimination.

This is another reason why Christianity has completely f*cked the world. It's roots are entwined through western legal systems and every religious idiot against these unions is too arrogant to see it. I wish Constantine I was executed before he brought Christianity to power.

Sorry, but I resent that. Yes there should be a way to recognise homosexual union, but if you're implying that marriage is about discrimination, then you're off your rocker.

It's also worth noting that some Christian groups are some of the biggest supporters of homosexual union.

marriage has got nothing to do with Christianity. its older than Christianity.
it only became part of Christianity when Christianity was the State.

the Christian haters among you will need to find another strawman to attack when arguing the definition of marriage

Edited by ricecrackers: 3/3/2014 10:27:16 AM

FTR I don't hate Christianity. Well no less than I hate any other theistic religion. The Abrahamic religions do a good job of bringing hate upon themselves for the rigid draconian morals which have no useful application today.

so you hate religious people
ok

yawn

Anything constructive to say?

read back through the thread. plenty of info contributed,
however reposting childish gifs, memes and videos of comedians isnt constructive
its merely reducing it to a schoolyard level of engagement

read back through the thread. plenty of info contributed,
however reposting childish gifs, memes and videos of comedians isnt constructive
its merely reducing it to a schoolyard level of engagement

Coming from the person whose argument was 'if you're defending gay rights you are gay'. :lol:

you're putting words in my mouth. i never made such a statement

it continues to amaze me how you homosexuals equate your plight with racial issues
there is no correlation whatsoever, none

get over yourselves and stop feeling sorry for yourselves and feeling like the world owes you something

you have the same rights as everyone else.

Edited by ricecrackers: 2/3/2014 12:32:29 AM

i suggested you might not have much idea what you're talking about given
a) you're not gay and
I'm not a female but can still have an opinion on women's rights. I'm not Aboriginal but I can still have opinions on Indigenous rights. That argument is absurd and moot.
b) you havent personally visited any of the countries in the comedian's documentary about gays and
I haven't visited many places but can still comment about things that happen there. I've never been to Melbourne but could tell you things about the city. For example, as this is a football forum, there are two A-League teams in Melbourne. Or am I not at liberty to make this statement as I've never been there?
c) you dont even know what rights are
How so? What have I said about rights that is so wrong? Please reply with a direct quote rather than just your own ramblings.

your whole concept of rights is screwball. gays are asking for privileges that arent afforded to those who are straight.
they have all the same rights as straight people, currently. simple concept.

all you and they want is to change the definition of a word which is currently based on biological facts.

why not change the definition of the various words describing genitalia while you're at it because its discriminatory that different genders should have different organs?