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A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all as it represents a widely held myth Edited by ricecrackers: 27/2/2014 07:08:36 PM
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A16Man
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ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue? EDIT: And what was wrong or mythical about my original comment? Edited by A16Man: 27/2/2014 07:12:16 PM
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ricecrackers
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A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue? if you're actually interested, https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf
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A16Man
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ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue? if you're actually interested, https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I'm not going to read through 72 pages plus appendices. :lol:
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A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue? if you're actually interested, https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I'm not going to read through 72 pages plus appendices. :lol: read the executive summary, you'll get the idea
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ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:A16Man wrote:ricecrackers wrote:"all the talk"
yes i've heard "all the talk"
perhaps you could tell me what the issue with Russia is in regards to gay rights? can you do that in your own words? I can and would but i cbf typing it all. if you cbf typing it all perhaps you cbf actually doing any proper research into the facts either i've no vendetta against you, i just picked up on a comment you made is all And what are these facts and how are you an expert on the issue? if you're actually interested, https://www.dropbox.com/s/sikatjxesjolzio/RussianLGBTLawWhitePaper.pdf I'm going to be perfectly honest with you, I'm not going to read through 72 pages plus appendices. :lol: read the executive summary, you'll get the idea But what does any of this have to do with my original comment where I didn't even name Russia? A16Man wrote:If you ever get the chance watch Stephen Fry's documentary on homophobia around the world called "Out There". You hear crazy theories like this amongst other stupid and horrible things.
It's amazing how strong homophobia is in some parts of the world.
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Russia was featured in that documentary and the claims made by the comedian have been proven to be fraudulent, which brings the entire validity of the documentary into question
i wouldnt use it as a basis for making any points on this topic
Edited by ricecrackers: 27/2/2014 10:57:01 PM
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Fredsta wrote:humbert wrote:Religion :oops: Not reading an article :oops: :lol: =d>
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I need to know the facts here. Is the problem Gay men or Anal and Oral sex? are the heterosexual people of Uganda allowed to practice these sexual acts or just men NOT allowed to by their clearly homophobic laws.
It is clearly a religious bias and heavily ignorant of anything and anything we know about same sex attraction throughout the entire animal world.
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i think if you research actual facts you'll discover the whole thing in Uganda is bullshit started by the US democrats
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humbert wrote:Fredsta wrote:humbert wrote:Religion :oops: Not reading an article :oops: Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,) I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how?
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DinosMum wrote:humbert wrote:Fredsta wrote:humbert wrote:Religion :oops: Not reading an article :oops: Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,) I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how? Why are they your mates?
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u4486662 wrote:DinosMum wrote:humbert wrote:Fredsta wrote:humbert wrote:Religion :oops: Not reading an article :oops: Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,) I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how? Why are they your mates? :lol: :lol:
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DinosMum wrote:humbert wrote:Fredsta wrote:humbert wrote:Religion :oops: Not reading an article :oops: Yes because the entire issue has nothing at all to do with religion. ](*,) I have 4 agnostic mates right here in Sydney who completely detest homosexual behaviour. They are affected by religion how? :oops: . The answer to the question no one asked. Your friends are retarded; perhaps more so than the Ugandan fuckwits who can in the least refer to some transcendent ideology to buttress their stupidity. When the President refers to the passing of the bill as a 'present' for Christmas, you can sleep safe knowing religious stupidity has everything to do with the issue. Edited by humbert: 28/2/2014 06:11:33 PM
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i'm sick of hearing about gay human rights every day to be honest. i think its used as a means to get at any country in the crosshairs and a lot of the time the reporting is not even accurate. (russia example cited earlier)
in western countries i really dont understand what the issue is. gays have the same rights as everyone else. they dont have to sit up the back of the bus because they're gay, they dont have to go to different schools and pubs because they're gay and they're not working in cotton fields for no wages because they're gay.
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ricecrackers wrote:i'm sick of hearing about gay human rights every day to be honest. i think its used as a means to get at any country in the crosshairs and a lot of the time the reporting is not even accurate. (russia example cited earlier)
in western countries i really dont understand what the issue is. gays have the same rights as everyone else. they dont have to sit up the back of the bus because they're gay, they dont have to go to different schools and pubs because they're gay and they're not working in cotton fields for no wages because they're gay.
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name one right a gay doesnt have that other humans do ^
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ricecrackers wrote:name one right a gay doesnt have that other humans do ^ Marriage.
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u4486662 wrote:ricecrackers wrote:name one right a gay doesnt have that other humans do ^ Marriage. - Marriage is not a right. Its a privilege granted by the state and in some instances the church. Dont confuse rights with privileges. What gay people want is an additional privilege. - Gay people can get married if they choose. They simply choose not to in many cases. Elton John (a well known gay) got married, then divorced. A relative of mine who currently identifies as a lesbian got married earlier in life because she wanted kids. So dont tell me gay people cant get married. Marriage is the union of a man and woman ratified by the state. Its got nothing to do with rights, its a definition defined by gender. - If you want to get 'married' to another man, which by definition is impossible, it is tantamount to saying you have a right to have a vagina. Do you feel discriminated because you cannot use the women's toilets? Do you believe its your right to use them because of equality?
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The right to not be judged because they are attracted to people of the same sex, the right to ivf, the right to adopt the right to privacy,
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rocknerd wrote:The right to not be judged because they are attracted to people of the same sex, the right to ivf, the right to adopt the right to privacy, the right not to be judged? are you serious? do you even know what a right is? i'm judged all the time on various measures.. do i need to complain to the UN for that? the right to privacy? do you think gays have a less right to privacy than anyone else? what the hell have you been reading? the right to IVF? again thats not even a right
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So what is a right then?
I would argue it is a right for all humans not to be discriminated against based on gender, sexuality and race.
Allowing straight people the PRIVILEGE of marriage at the expense of gay people is a form of discrimination.
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u4486662 wrote:So what is a right then?
I would argue it is a right for all humans not to be discriminated against based on gender, sexuality and race.
Allowing straight people the PRIVILEGE of marriage at the expense of gay people is a form of discrimination. i just outlined that gay people are afforded the same privilege if they so choose, however they want to change the definition of a word gays are not lawfully discriminated against in any way in this country
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Limiting the definition of marriage to that only between and man and a woman to the exclusion of all others is a form of discrimination.
In 100 years, people will look back on this time and have great difficulty in understanding why gay people were so poorly treated.
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u4486662 wrote:Limiting the definition of marriage to that only between and man and a woman to the exclusion of all others is a form of discrimination.
In 100 years, people will look back on this time and have great difficulty in understanding why gay people were so poorly treated. that is the worst justification i've ever heard! listen to yourself its tantamount to saying limiting the definition of a vagina to the woman's anatomy to the exclusion of a man's butthole is a form of discrimination
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I get it now.
Two gay men shouldn't be allowed to get married because one of them doesn't have a vagina.
Sorry, I don't know what I must have been thinking. My bad.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Marriage wrote:The formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife: There you have it. I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman.That doesn't mean your love is any less, or that you are being "denied" something. We should allow all the rights that come with marriage to gay civil unions, but the word marriage is not the correct term for these unions. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it the superficial appearance of being right.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Marriage wrote:The formal union of a man and a woman, typically as recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife: There you have it. I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman. That doesn't mean your love is any less, or that you are being "denied" something. We should allow all the rights that come with marriage to gay civil unions, but the word marriage is not the correct term for these unions. Aboriginal people were once not included in the Australian census according to the definition in the constitution. Definitions change over time.
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it continues to amaze me how you homosexuals equate your plight with racial issues there is no correlation whatsoever, none
get over yourselves and stop feeling sorry for yourselves and feeling like the world owes you something
you have the same rights as everyone else.
Edited by ricecrackers: 2/3/2014 12:32:29 AM
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:I don't wish to discriminate in any way against gay people, but marriage is and has always been the union of man and woman. Are you sure about that? Edited by paladisious: 2/3/2014 01:59:00 AM
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