Putin just wants to bring back to Soviet Union and resume the Cold War with America.

Putin has taken Russia back to its expansionist self of the mid-late 1800s.

My mistake. Allow me to take you in my time machine to transport us all back to March 3rd on the steps of the Sevastopol parliament.

Armed soliders storm Parliament on Feb 27th and you refuse to accept that these were Russian troops acting illegally.

And I'm the idiot. It's amazing how you're always right and everyone else is always wrong. How do you get your head so far up your own ass?

US and EU deem Russian occupation illegal

Yup.


Edited by afromanGT: 11/4/2014 12:19:57 AM

firstly, that's a photograph. on its own it proves nothing. you dont know where it is and you dont know who that soldier is.

even the CIA agrees with this.

The Final Act obligates its signatories to "refrain…from the threat or use of force" against each other. According to the act, participating states "regard as inviolable one another's frontiers" and "will refrain now and in the future from assaulting those frontiers." They "will respect the territorial integrity of each of the participating states" and "will likewise refrain from making each other's territory the object of military occupation."
In addition, the participating states agree to "refrain from any intervention, direct or indirect, in the internal or external affairs" of another participating state.

25,000 troops in the naval base. Not occupying the government buildings or patrolling the Crimean border.

It's funny the way you're demanding 'evidence' when you point blank refuse to ever provide any evidence to back up your claims.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-03/armed-soldier-outside-crimean-government-building/5294932
Article depicts Russian soldier outside Crimean government building on March 3rd 2014. Referendum was held March 16th 2014.

they have a naval base there as well as long standing contract that they could station up to 25,000 troops in Crimea, of which they did not transgress

now about that evidence, got any?

You indict yourself by your own stupidity. One need not say more.

Edited by humbert: 10/4/2014 11:44:23 PM

Russian troops were in Sevastopol before the 'referendum'.

I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence?

I didnt realise Russia had invaded Ukraine. care to provide some evidence?

You do realise that was in the middle of winter in a heavily fortified Moscow where Russia had superior troop numbers?

Russian troops on non-russian soil. Yes, that much is bleedingly fucking obvious.

You do realise that those conflicts go both ways and Ukranian loyalists have been victims of violence as well?

do you remember the last time Germany engaged Russia in military conflict? how did that turn out?

do you think Russia is the aggressor here

do you realise that ethnic Russians are now being targeted by fascist thugs?

With the majority of Europe currently relying on Germany for economic stability, they basically determine the stance and course of action for the entire continent. On top of that they have one of Europe's elite armed forces, if they mobilize in the Ukraine to keep the peace, Russia won't risk full scale military conflict against what will in reality become the majority of Europe.

Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry.

A lot of similarities to this by Russia with what they did with Georgia & South Ossetia. Vladamir Putin trying to flex his muscles.

Crimea was important for its port and gas line. Beyond that I don't imagine Russia much care either way what happens to the rest of Ukraine.

Aside from principle and a sense of loyalty to expats, Russia has very little to gain from full scale conflict in Ukraine - they're an import economy which owes Gazprom $2.2bn. About all Russia has to benefit from annexing Ukraine is their metal industry.

"Germany need to mobilise their armies"

what have you been smoking :oops:

Quality contribution.

no idea :roll:

Bush had only been Pres for six months when 9/11 happened.

I distinctly remember two large towers in New York that were there during Clinton's administration. Did something happen to them under Bush? Which administration got the guy responsible? :-k

Russia warns of civil war if Ukraine uses force to quell eastern revolts

(CNN) -- Russia's Foreign Ministry warned Kiev on Tuesday that any use of force in Ukraine's eastern region could lead to civil war, as Ukraine's government seeks to regain control after pro-Moscow uprisings in three cities.

Pro-Moscow protesters seized government buildings, raised Russian flags and declared new governments in Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv on Sunday.

Russia's Foreign Ministry said that reports that pro-Russian protesters, including those occupying a regional administration building in the city of Donetsk, are facing a crackdown by Ukrainian authorities are of particular concern.

"We are calling for the immediate cessation of any military preparations, which could lead to civil war," it said in a statement on its official website.

The ministry alleged that what it called "American experts from the private military organization Greystone," disguised as soldiers, as well as militants from the Ukrainian far-right group Right Sector, had joined Ukrainian forces preparing for the crackdown in the country's east.

Late Monday, Ukrainian special forces cleared armed protesters from the headquarters of Ukrainian security services in Donetsk, acting President Oleksandr Turchynov's office announced Monday night.

But Ukraine's interim Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema was quoted by Russian state-run news agency ITAR-Tass as saying Tuesday that the authorities are not going to storm the city's regional administration building.

Yarema said the decision was made after talks with representatives of the protesters in the building.

A CNN team on the ground said pro-Russian protesters appear still to be in control of the building and that there is no sign of special forces nearby.

Donetsk is the hometown of ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, whose pro-Russian government was toppled in a popular revolt in February.

'Anti-terrorist operation'

Meanwhile, acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said an anti-terrorist operation is under way in Kharkiv, where the center of the city is blocked off as well as the metro stations.

In a post on his official Facebook page, he urged people to remain calm and said everything would reopen once the operation is over.

Avakov said no guns have been fired in the operation and that some 70 people have been arrested so far.

On Monday, Turchynov blamed "separatist groups coordinated by Russian special services" for the revolts, which he said echoed events leading to the Russian annexation of Crimea three weeks ago.

"Enemies of Ukraine are trying to play out the Crimean scenario, but we will not let this happen," Turchynov said in a televised message.

Russia urges talks

Russia, which has tens of thousands of troops near the Ukrainian border, said it was "watching closely" and told Ukraine to stop blaming it for Ukrainian problems.

President Vladimir Putin's government pushed Ukraine to set up a federal system in which regions with ethnic Russian majorities would have more autonomy, and its foreign ministry urged Ukraine to enter into talks over the issue.

"Ukrainian people want to get a clear answer from Kiev to all their questions. It's time to listen to these legal claims," a Foreign Ministry statement read. The Ukrainian government was acting "irresponsibly," it said.

But in Washington, U.S. officials urged Putin's government to disavow the protests and warned that further Russian intervention in Ukraine would bring stiffer economic sanctions than those already imposed on targeted individuals over the Crimean annexation.

Moscow dispatched thousands of troops to Crimea in support of a pro-Russian movement that seized power in the semi-autonomous region shortly after Yanukovych fled to Russia. The Black Sea peninsula was then subsumed into Russia following a referendum denounced as illegal by Kiev and the West

Russia has called Yanukovych's removal a coup and says the interim government in Kiev is illegitimate. It has said it doesn't intend to invade eastern Ukraine but reserves the right to protect ethnic Russians there.

Geez the Obama malaise is worse than the Carter malaise...

Putin is just doing what he can get away with.