For all your discussion regarding the squads of all World Cup competing nations. One of the great parts of the WC.

I'll kick off with an ideal squad of 23 for Australia:

GK: Ryan, Langerak, Galekovic

DFs: Spiranovic, Sainsbury, Good, Williams (Ognenovski), Davidson, Wilkshire, Franjic

MFs: Jedinak, Milligan, Holland, Sarota, Leckie, Oar, Rogic, Bresciano, Troisi, Vidosic

FWs: Cahill, Kennedy, Taggart

And when England revealed their World Cup away kit, present were Ross Barkley and Raheem Sterling...



Edited by proud2becanberran: 1/4/2014 02:43:47 PM

Very close to the squad I'd pick. I have a lot of data to support my selections too.

I think Ogger should be in the squad regardless of Williams' fitness.

I think Eugene should be second choice keeper. I've watched him play since 2006 in the HAL and the ACL. I've hardly seen him make a mistake, maybe 2 two in that huge expanse of time. Even though Langerak, Jones and Frederici (who has done well for Oz in friendlies), none have played anywhere near as much match football as Eugene. Langerak and Jones have made some shocking mistakes for Australia.

Eugene's foot skills are not that good on the deck, but they've improved under Gombau.

Jones, like Frank Juric, has had a huge career of just being a reserve at big clubs in Europe. When Juric returned to the HAL, he was no better than the local keepers.

Original squad:

1. Ryan
2. Vukovic
3. Langerak

4. Franjic
5. Wilkshire
6. Sainsbury
7. McGowan
8. Ognenovski
9. Spiranovic
10. Herd
11. Davidson

12. Jedinak
13. Milligan
14. Bresciano
15. Rogic
16. Oar
17. Vidosic
18. Troisi
19. Sarota
20. Ruka

21. Kennedy
22. Leckie
23. Cahill

EDITS:
7/4/14 - Herd OUT ---> Taggart IN
20/4/14 - Ruka OUT ---> Halloran IN

Also, at this stage I'd be 50/50 over Vukovic and Galekovic. I'd take 4 keepers into camp and then pick 3.

Edited by eastern glory: 7/4/2014 10:13:12 PM

Edited by eastern glory: 20/4/2014 02:40:57 PM

Mine's very similar to EG's.

1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Vukovic (if he actually plays in Japan, if not Galekovic)
4. Franjic
5. Wilkshire
6. Sainsbury
7. Good
8. North
9. Spiranovic
10. Davidson
11. McKay
12. Jedinak (C)
13. Milligan
14. Bresciano
15. Brattan
16. Rogic
17. Vidosic
18. Troisi
19. Sarota
20. Leckie
21. Kennedy
22. Cahill
23. Taggart

Starting line up of.

Goalkeepers:
Ryan
Langerak
Brighitti

Defenders:
Davidson
Spiranovic
Good
Franjic
Wright
Cornthwaite
McGowan

Midfielders:
Milligan
Bozanic
Holland
Jedinak
Brattan
Nichols
Vidosic

Wingers and Forwards :
Oar
Leckie
Taggart
Troisi
Halloran
Rukavytsya

GK
Ryan
Langerak
Galekovic

DF
Spiranovic
Good
Sainsbury
Ognenovski
Wilkshire
Franjic
Davidson

MF
Milligan
Jedinak ©
Halloran
Leckie
Rogic
Bresciano
Oar
Troisi
Sarota
Holland

CF
Cahill
Kennedy
Taggart

Hmm this is hard, I'll take the angle of who's certain, so far, rather than my own squad, though FTR I'd doubt I'd differ much from you guys:


GK: Ryan (#1), Langerak, ?

DFs: Spiranovic, ?, ?, Williams (/?), Davidson, ? , Franjic

MFs: Jedinak, Milligan, ? , Sarota, Leckie, Oar, Rogic, Bresciano, ? , Vidosic

FWs: Cahill, Kennedy, ?

= 16 all-but confirmed, bar/forbid injury/ies :/

The rest (7 spots) is up to a band of contenders numbering a dozen or so, for each of the respective areas of the team and ofcourse form and fitness are big determiners there. There are 3-4 players who I could also all to the above list, but their injuries/fitness issues are the hang-up - the likes of Curtis Good, Trent Sainsbury, Ben Halloran and others - especially when it can affect their subsequent match fitness/appearances and form too. McGowan is highly likely, but regular football the pre-requisite. Alex Wilkinson's performance/errors against Ecuador did him no favours and again club form/fitness a priority too. Matt McKay a strong chance, but depends on squad the wider composition/demands - McKay's 'tactical/positional flexibility' works in his favour. Lucas Neill's last ditch attempts at regular but high-level football could still see him swoop back in - but that's an emphasis on 'could' and that, like everybody else, is still a 'wait and see' work in progress.

As Ange constantly re-iterates, players need to be conditioned and playing regularly/in-form. The bar is higher than before and all players must meet that pre-requisite, these days.


Going by above, only 1 striker role free - Adam Taggart 'could' be odds on, but he 'could' also be battling against the likes of Troisi. Midfield rotation is largely sorted so it's just 1-2 fringers - McKay could still be odds-on - less Ange seeks a fourth enforcer/DM in the rotation, Bozanic or another wide player could be on for the other possie though hopefully the likes of Halloran fighting fit and in-form again? Brattan could still be a chance over McKay, depending on the squad demands - IF Ange is seeking immediate back-up depth to deputise deeper playmaker Bresc, esp if he sees Rogic as more advanced, then Brattan could be the choice?

Defence is the big variable and we all know that. That's where all the mysteries and on-going intrigues lie - from an injury plague lead by star Rhys Williams, to the Lucas Neill conundrum to young and inexperienced up and comers, to other oldies hanging on like The Og, Alex Wilkinson, Jade North, Patrick Kisnorbo and co.

It ironically seems 'open slather' for the area of the field where you need the most stability, security and consistency!

Edited by GloryPerth: 7/4/2014 12:48:00 AM

1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Galekovic

4. Franjic
5. McGowan
6. Sainsbury
7. Ognenovski
8. Spiranovic
9. Zullo
10. Davidson

11. Jedinak
12. Milligan
13. McKay
14. Rogic
15. Oar
16. Vidosic
17. Troisi
18. Sarota
19. Leckie
20. Ruka

21. Kennedy
22. Taggart
23. Cahill

Edited by Roar_Brisbane: 7/4/2014 09:02:33 PM

Since Herd is no longer a footballer apparently, I'd take him out and put Taggart in. Obviously different positions but I feel like my squad has enough defensive cover as is.

I have a strange feeling Troisi will start against Chile in Cuiaba on June 13. I would start all of Rogic, Bresciano, Oar, Leckie and Cahill ahead of him but James' form has been very good and I get the feeling Ange will name him in the starting XI.

Edited by proud2becanberran: 8/4/2014 08:05:42 AM

1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Jones

4. Franjic
5. Wilkshire
6. Sainsbury
7. Good
8. Neill
9. Spiranovic
10. Zullo
11. Davidson

12. Jedinak
13. Milligan
14. McKay
15. Rogic
16. Oar
17. Vidosic
18. Troisi
19. Sarota
20. Ruka

21. Kennedy
22. Leckie
23. Cahill

Train-on squad: Brattan, Taggart, others

I am a Victory supporter. I think Troisi has been inconsistent and disappointing in the HAL, given he was coming back as a Socceroo. I think Nichols was better. Troisi has had some good performances, but not consistently enough.

Nathan Burns was quite good for Jets when playing in the HAL.

Since Taggart is so young, he has the potential to improve quickly in a short period of time. He has banged in the goals in the HAL.

Credit to Holger for seeing something in him before anybody else. I think he should be in the squad of 23.

One other in the HAL is the fleet footed David Williams with the cannon shot. Like Taggart, he has scored a lot of goals lately , after being profligate earlier into season when Aloisi was coach.

To put it into perspective.

Viduka, as probably our best ever striker, scored 29 goals in 24 matches in the NSL at age 20. Taggart at age 20 has scored 15 goals in 24 matches in the a-league.

If he can continue scoring at half the rate of Viduka, he should have an impressive career, keeping in mind that Viduka went on to score a goal a game for Zagreb and Celtic, and then a goal every second game for Leeds over a period of 9 seasons.

GKs:
1.Ryan
2.Langerak
3.Federici

Defenders:
4.Sainsbury
5.Good
6.Neill
7.Williams
8.McGowan
9.Zullo
10.Spiranovic
11.Davidson

Midfielders:
12.Jedinak
13.Milligan
14.Sarota
15.Oar
16.Halloran
17.Rogic
18.Vidosic
19.Luongo

Forwards:
20.Leckie
21.Kennedy
22.Cahill
23. Juric

No Franjic or Wilkshire?

1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Vuković

Defenders
4. Sainsbury
5. McGowan
6. Špiranović
7. Franjić
8. Davidson
9. Williams (if fit)
10. Zullo

Midfielders
11. Jedinak
12. Milligan
13. Brattan
14. McKay
15. Sarota
16. Rogic
17. Vidošić
18. Oar
19. Bozanić

Forwards
20. Leckie
21. Kennedy
22. Cahill
23. Juric

Ognenovski in if Williams is confirmed 100% out. Apart from that, no one who is not expected to be in contention for the Asian Cup. Juric>Taggart because he can actually hold up the ball with his back to the defenders, McKay and Bozanić have been good this season and are versatile and no wilkshire because he has been ordinary at club level and a liability in the NT for way too long.

Yeah its interesting the RB position, neill has actually been playing there as has williams and mcgowan can play there.

As god as franjic is going forward I feel the fact hes been playing so far forward, defensively he may not be as good I think if we have neill there he could just lay a defensive role while also not always being exposed down the middle by lack of speed.

Man these squads make for depressing reading. Nobody really expects Australia to be competitive so giving big game experience to the young lads with one eye on the Asian Cup is probably the primary consideration.

Ok so the keepers pretty much pick themselves...
Ryan
Langerak (who made a huge mistake not attempting to go out on loan this season)
Galekovic

Defenders look like a disaster waiting to happen. And anyone with Neill in the team is taking the piss.
Wilkshere
McGowan
Spiranovic
Franjic
Good
Zullo
Williams (fitness pending)

Midfielders look a little better
McKay
Sarota
Milligan
Jedinak
Holman
Oar
Vidosic
Bresciano

Strikers look embarrassing as defence
Kennedy
Cahill
Taggart
Juric

With the last spot I'm torn between Thompson's experience and ability to be a game-changer or having more depth in midfield. Since it's unlikely that we're going to be chasing a late victory you've probably gotta go with James Holland.

When is Ange going to announce the squad officially?

The deadline for squad submission is June 2nd.

The announcement for the 30-man preliminary squad is May 10th, if I remember correctly (Or was it 12th?).

From there the squad will be whittled down to the final 23, come June 2nd, excluding the three emergency/stand-by players.

1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Jones

4. Spiranovic
5. Good
6. Wilkshere
7. Franjic
8. Sainsbury
9. Davidson
10. Smith

11. McKay
12. Jedinak
13. Milligan
14. Sarota
15. Halloran
16. Troisi
17. Rogic
18. Oar
19. Brattan
20. Bresciano

21. Cahill
22. Kennedy
23. Leckie

If Ange doesn't start Troisi he has to go and be replaced by someone who will.

Edited by jlm8695: 15/4/2014 11:06:05 PM

GK: Ryan (#1), Langerak, ?

DFs: Spiranovic, ?, ?, Williams (/?), Davidson, ? , Franjic

MFs: Jedinak, Milligan, Sarota, Leckie, Oar, Rogic, Bresciano, Vidosic, Halloran?, ?

FWs: Cahill, Kennedy, Troisi?

= 18 all-but confirmed, bar/forbid injury/ies :/


http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/fire-halloran-world-cup-bolter

Added Halloran as a stronger chance now, due to his return from injury and subsequent form again? He missed Ecuador due to an injury, but if he's returning to fitness and showing the kind of form which saw him draw attention from Ange before - then, goodo, we have another squad member (In this case a like-for-like Robbie Kuse replacement) all-but confirmed?! =d>

-And unfortunately, closer we get to the date - more recent times Rhys Williams has all-but been ruled out, by his club coach, of featuring again this season. There was promising talk from Williams and his club coach during his recovery, but both still emphasised it was slow and steady and a return to the playing was still some way off. But the recent week or so coach Karanka confirmed, basically, that he wouldn't be rehabilitated in-time to be risked featuring this season.

-Spiranovic has made big strides this season, including in the ACL game tonight. He's risen to be our leading CB option - it's just a matter of who will partner him?

-Such a shame to see Harry Kewell finally depart the scene, including the NT scene. His quality still on display, in his finale and it's that big game clutch, x-factor that Kewell brings in spades that nobody else can or arguably ever has for this country. He could even play Bresc's role in this team, be back up or something. But I suppose that wouldn't be right and we all recognise that he tactically doesn't fit into this team and it's demands entering into this 2014 WC task.

=d> Harry Kewell



Well, agree with the surrounding sentiment - Troisi has surely risen to be amongst the leaders of the pack in regards to the fringe players seeking to secure that final attacking possie within the potential WC squad? Taggart has had a great, productive, season too - but Troisi and his long awaited talent is finally blossoming, playing in a team (Victory) in the technical style it does (The interplay, off the ball movement and tactical smarts), as too Troisi's own tactical flexibility (He's a left sided boy and can play on the wing and AM) should give him the edge? Taggart can play as a winger too, but I suspect Troisi's 'capacities' and 'capabilities' may be just that much greater. Also, finally, the A-League Finals PLUS ACL football on offer for Troisi, taking him closer to the WC, gives him a distinct advantage over Taggart and some others.

So sorry to say for my fellow West Australian, but James Troisi should be the leading contender for that final attacking place in the World Cup squad?

Edited by GloryPerth: 15/4/2014 11:35:26 PM

I agree with this. I think Coe, might have come back into contention last night. He is the best "sweeper Goalkeeper" which fits into ange's system, i think he could be the third place bolter, although i acknowledge he is still behind Jones and Galekovic, but the Asian cup and finals series could change it. Gelekovic is consistent and improving his foot skills, while Jones is experienced. I think all 3 potentially give Ange something, in the unlikely (but possible) case of both 1 and 2 keepers buckling under the pressure.

I think Williams is no chance and should be removed, leaving 4 question marks in what is the hardest to pick. I do think that Lucas Neil has one foot on the plane, and will take some beating. Curtis Goode also looks to have booked his spot, with his last performance for Australia. Outside of this, i think it leaves Wilkshire, Sainsbury, North, Wilkinson, McGowan fighting for the position, with the likes of Ogenovski, Carney, Thwaite, Kisnorbo, Cornthwaite, Devere, Topor Stanley etc looking likely to miss out. There does appear to be a back up left back spot up for grabs. I think that Zullo or Brad Smith or perhaps even traore might just be an outside chance of taking this spot. Herd, Lowry and a couple of others could also force their way in, but i think they would require an upset. I think we will see Neil, Goode, wilkshire and Sainsbury take the last 4 spots.


I dont think Vidosic is guaranteed a spot, although he is a contender. I also think that Halloran is no more than a contender, albeit one who looks like he is taking giant strides and will clinch a spot. i also think that Rogic might have dropped from certainty to simply a leading contender. I think that leaves 4 spots open. I see troisi's best chance as a left midfield/winger. Luongo, you would think would be desperately close. While i dont personally agree with it, it is also very hard to see Matt Mackay missing a spot. Behind this, it leaves Holman, Bratten, Bozanic (who seems to have lost his momentum from earlier in the year), Mooye, Amini to fight over the remaining places. Personally, i think Troisi, Rogic, Halloran and Mackay will fill those four spots.


This is actually a really interesting position.

It certainly looks like we will See Cahill and Kennedy as certainties, with the third player being either Leckie or Troisi and perhaps the position going to another midfielder. Still, there are a lot of other options which seem to have been forgotten, but who i believe are probably about equal in ability. Taggart, Duke and Juric seem the obvious contenders. All young and all improving, but realistically all are not first class strikers at world cup level yet. Porta and McDonald are forgotten players, who might just be worth a gamble and capable of playing at the required level. Realistically, you would have to think that both would be golden boot contenders if they were playing in the a league. Babalj and Rukavystsa seem to have fallen off the radar, but if taking a gamble, each do have their advantages. I think that Ange will fill this position with an attacking midfielder. With the players i have chosen, i think that Holman might just get the nod.

Looking at Australia's squad, this really would be astonishing if Australia did well and qualified. Not only because of the strength of the opposition, but it is actually arguable that we will have done so with our three best players unavailable. Schwarzer, Kewell, Kruse are arguably the three best players we could provide right at this point in time, yet none of these will play in the world cup.

GK's
Ryan, Langerak, Galekovic

RB's
Franjic, Wilkshire

RCB's
Williams, Spiranovic

LCB's
Good, Sainsbury, Smith

LB's
Davidson, Mckay

RDM
Jedinak

LDM
Milligan

CM's
Rogic, Bresciano

RAM's
Troisi, Luongo

LAM's
Oar, Halloran

F's
Cahill, Kennedy, Juric

I'm not sold on what Troisi brings to the team. If we want someone who's a half decent dribbler that runs at defenders then they're a dime a dozen really.

Have you ever seen Troisi play?

Both injured

Isn't Sainsbury back at full training?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/trent-track-injury-return

williams still a small possibility.
kruse very very slim chance (his acl injury 4-6 months recovery time from end of january).

'June 12th, the day before Australia’s first World Cup match against Chile, is the deadline for Kruse, as teams are allowed to replace one inured player 24 hours before their opening match.'

Edited by chondro: 17/4/2014 09:41:15 AM

:lol: people slay Lucas Neill's lack of game time, yet there are some people in this world who are still holding onto the hope Robbie Kruse & Williams can play in our WC squad

Sorry, I only just saw the Sainsbury returning news.

Yeah Kruse and Williams have already been officially ruled out, as their clubs have said they will not play them again this season.

Oh yeah, he's on loan in the A-League so I've obviously never seen him play. Fucking retarded question.

Yeah, but they're playing and training at a higher level than Lucas and aren't missing 2-3 steps pace at the best of times.

Lucas trains and plays with a Championship club, so does Williams. And Williams & Kruse aren't doing much of either at the moment!

Yeah, but they're not in a relegation battle and aren't consistently beaten for pace.

Hardly a "fucking retarded question" when if you've ever watched him play you would know that there's a lot more than just being a good dribbler. There's the fact he's probably our best finisher going around right now, his link up play and movement is top class and he can pick a pass., but nah he can just dribble.

Edited by jlm8695: 17/4/2014 04:32:55 PM

I think the squad will look something like this..
Gk:
1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Jones, Federici, Galekovic or Vukovic

Defenders:
4. Sainsbury
5. Spiranovic
6. Ogenovski
7. Wilkshere - I'd start him over Franjic
8. Franjic
9. Davidson
10. Good, McGowan, or Zullo

Holding Midfielders:
11. Jedinak
12. Milligan

Attacking Midfielders
13. Bresciano
14. Troisi
15. Rogic


Wingers:
16. Leckie
17. Oar
18. Halloran


Forwards:
19. Cahill
20. Taggart
21. Kennedy- as much as I dislike him, he'll be picked



22. Sarota, Luongo, Bozanic, Vidosic or Rukavysta

23. Irvine, McKay, Brattan, or Holland

That says more about the dearth of talented Australian strikers than it does about Troisi IMO. And he's certainly made look good by Barbarouses being one of the most profligate strikers in the league.

Victory's attack is all Troisi at the moment. He's done a lot more than Barbarouses.

It doesn't matter whether we have a dearth of attackers at the moment, because you should be taking your best players regardless of how they compare to yesteryear.

FWIW, I brought Troisi off the bench in the new WC game and he scored against Netherlands.

Omen.

Who's in the Aussie squad in that game? Out of interest.

It's a massive squad of like 40 players who've featured over the last few years. However some of the younger guys (like Good and Leckie) aren't in it yet. :(

Edited by A16Man: 17/4/2014 08:33:44 PM

Leckie's not in it? That's surprising. He's been playing regularly since the Canada game.

If it was as simple as taking the best players regardless then there wouldn't be a single defender in the squad.

Yeah I'm hoping for a squad update soon.

Get on it Bowden!

I was talking about our attackers. As in, he's one of our best attackers.

Ange recruited him (When Victory coach) too. Coe's pedigree is undoubted and his form has recently improved, facing high level teams. But yeah, regular call-ups like Galekovic are still contenders.

Though Coe has the advantage over Galekovic and even Jones, Langerak and some others in the fact he's seeing football still and will be in a side who's team is playing competitive football games via the A-League Finals and ACL.

Regular or atleast semi-regular, first team is ofcourse a strong pre-requisite these days and was further re-inforced with Langerak's brain fart against Ecuador. Langerak will still be a selection, despite his circumstances and against the grain of what I just said, but #3 will HAVE to be a regular featuring keeper and who knows, that keeper, if he's regularly featuring and match fit, could become the instant deputy to Ryan, above Langerak even?!



I only had Williams there, in red, given his outside chances and the fact he would've been a shoe-in otherwise - further re-inforces the blow his absence leaves. But as they all say, opportunity presents for others. You are right though, that opportunity may ironically present for a now regularly featuring at club level, Neill. Especially considering the CB rotation will feature the likes of Spiranovic and perhaps other inexperienced young defenders like Good and/or McGowan, Sainsbury or the like. So will be interesting to see how the likes of our East Asian-Based and European based CBs are featuring during this time. It's crucial that 'identified key talents' like the aforementioned players are fit and firing as often as possible as not long ago the dearth of CBs seeing regular match-time was alarming, especially circa the Ecuador squad selection.



I think Vidosic seems all-but - I think it's more a case of not he fighting but those fighting he for his spot. He's been a regular last few squads and started against CR. He's tactically flexible and could be seen as an immediate replacement for either flank. Though it also depends on how he sees Oar, Leckie and possibly Halloran (If he makes selection) fitting into his tactical set ups for each of the three games. For instance, if we're deeper and countering, the pace of Leckie, Halloran and co as a front trio could be preferred, where as another scenario may require more defensive work from the wingers, dropping deeper or even squeezing centrally, so players like Vidosic may be employed wide instead?

I suspect we may be right about McKay, though hopefully he too seeks greater challenge from those below him. But it's hard to see that happening, especially with his tactical flexibility and overall experience. Any late injuries or suspensions during the Cup and he could easily slot into LB, DM, LW or what not at short notice.



Indeed - Though Schwarzer and his decline I'd arguably omit from that list - But Kewell's qualities - the legend finished on a high. Ah well, Kewell's time had to pass at some point and now it has after 17 years with the NT. Kruse's qualities will definitely be missed, especially pegging them back a bit, via counter. The likes of Leckie and Halloran, while also providing pace and a threat of sorts, lack the 'refinement', experience and perhaps even big game nous, that Kruse has brings to the Socceroos (Kruse scored important goals, at important moments, for us in qualifying). Rhys Williams should be added - he was our leading CB option and despite his relative lack of caps, is actually one of the more experienced CB options, of quality, we had at our disposal. His play, including distribution, against CR was soo pleasing/promising to see. Hence it enhancing the blow of his absence. He and Spira would've made the dream CB combo we've been longing from those two for the past six seasons now.

Edited by GloryPerth: 21/4/2014 07:21:16 PM

The players I think Angelo Postecoglou will select. Note Rhys Williams & Robbie Kruse not picked due to injury.

M.Ryan
M.Langerak
D.Vukovic

M.Smith
M.Spiranovic
I.Franjic
J.Davidson
C.Good
R.McGowan
L.Wilkshire
M.Zullo

M.Milligan
M.Jedinak
M.Bresciano
M.McKay
T.Oar
D.Vidosic
T.Rogic
J.Holland

T.Cahill
M.Leckie
J.Kennedy
J.Traoisi

That's pretty good actually.

Although like some others, I have doubts about Troisi getting picked. Also half expecting Wilkshire to be cut.
Would give reasonable chances to Halloran, Sarota and Taggart too.

Edited by neanderthal: 22/4/2014 11:57:40 AM

More or less agreed entirely.
I'd probably slip Sarota in for Holland or McKay. And I think Ange will take Wilkinson.

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No chance good is being selected before Sainsbury.

I would prefer Troisi to Vidosic. Technically similar, but troisi has much more pace. Troisi is also more flexible, they can both play AM, troisi is a much better winger and he is a decent striker. Hopefully hollaran gets a spot in the spot also. I have serious doubts about leckies technical abilites.

Oh and troisi has a superior defensive workrate and pressing.

Dont mind it.
I honestly think Vidosic will be lucky to make the team. its not like hes been getting heaps of game time or setting the league on fire over there.
Troisi SHOULD have done enough to take his spot in the team, particularly since he can play on either wing, and as a 10 or 9.
Not sure about Matty Smith either - maybe the 30, not the 23.Z

Combining who I'd like to see and who I would expect...

Ryan, Langerak, Galekovic (Birighitti)

Franjic, Wilkshire, Spira, R Mcgown, Sainsbury, Good, Davidson, Zullo (Chapman, Br Smith - however unlikely)

Milligan, Jedi (c), Mooy, Luongo (McKay, Sarota)

Halloran, Troisi, Rogic, Bresc, Oar (Antonis)

Cahill, Kennedy, Leckie (Juric)

I will be annoyed if Bozanic and Vidosic get in - they havent really been playing and I dont think either have actually been that good when they've played for AUS. I'd almost be tempted to take Juric over Kennedy for the experience... Leckie will be starting, Cahill impact sub, Kennedy a rarity... not like we will be down 3-2 and chasing a win in the semis.

Too old and hasn't played enough football in the last year. He has significantly deteriorated as a ball winner, has lost speed over the turf, as well as being slower to recover if beaten. Neill's main assets are experience, reading the game and organisational ability. Spira distributes just as well and is a better ball winner.

Edited by Decentric: 23/4/2014 06:33:10 PM

If Carney is selected as a left winger, where he is far more effective and comfortable than left back, because he played well for the Jets in this position. His aerial crossing is good too.

Unfortunately, he was pushed into the LB position, to fit a Socceroo void. Carney has always been more comfortable on the wing.

This might be just me, but I find it hard to take some of these squads seriously that only have Leckie and Oar without any other quick wingers like Halloran, Rukavytsya etc.

Everyone seems to be selecting a load of holding and attacking midfielders..

Leckie will presumably be playing as our striker like he did against Costa Rica so effectively...
Ruka barely gets on the pitch for his team.
Bozanic/Vidosic arent really wings and similarly dont get on the pitch.
Oar doesnt even play wing for his club... more of a left-sided central midfielder usually, as Sarota is right-sided CM.

We just happen to have a heap of good central midfielders at the moment (6, 8 &10)... its our one area of strength. Even the younger guys like Brattan, Antonis, Amini, Luongo, Inman, DDS, etc. are positioned there.

Who would you like to see there? Mate Duganzic? He's shit. If you want pace on the wing, maybe Ibini, but he offers little besides pace. Bring Holman back in? Pffft.

With Kruse out, Halloran will be our RW (maybe Troisi) and Oar will be on the left. When he got injured they literally ran about 35 "Who will replace Kruse?" articles on Foxsports.

In terms of the A-League... Roar - Broich/Petratos (not speedy), WSW - Hersi/Bridge (shite), CCM - Fitz/Ibini (not close to WC quality), MVFC - Barba/Archie (too old), AU - Fabio/Cirio/Mabil (too green), etc. etc.

Sometimes you need to just look at a bunch of apples and realise its a bunch of apples, not oranges.

Yes I agree with most of what you said. But what's your point..do you think they should be picking all these central midfielders and play them on the wing, or pick actual wing players?

I think they should pick players that are used to playing in that position, or have experience on the wing like Oar and Leckie. But if you say Leckie will be used as a striker for Australia, then you're saying everyone is only picking one winger..

So yes, it's ridiculous to have a team full of central midfielders, no matter if they are our best players. What they're thinking of playing Vidosic, Bozanic, mooy, holland, Milligan, Jedinak, bresciano, Brattan, Troisi, Rogic, Luongo, McKay, or sarota on the wing hahaha? I'm sorry but I don't really think any of these players should be on the wing at all, even if these players have had experience there.. Maybe troisi like you said, but he's better as an attacking midfielder not on the wing.

Opinions, opinions....

Actually 'they', as in 'Ange', may well be - given Ange trialled Vidosic on the LW against CR, as too Bozanic via sub that same game, iirc. McKay has been utilised there before, albeit under Holger and thankfully we can't see Ange utilising him there. Troisi could be an option too - especially again, given how we line up.

Though Just because he played some of those boys there in friendlies may not mean much, but Ange only had a short period to prepare and so who he selected and how he lined up some of those boys in the past two friendlies should well be 'instructive' of how he seeks to play and who he sees fitting those roles/how he will manage it.

Yeah - we don't have the best stocks at present, but again that's even reflected in Ange's selections, thus far. Hopefully Halloran can sustain his good run as our squad has already suffered enough blows from the loss of Rhys Williams and Kruse.

BTW Leckie started upfront against CR in a line up designed to spring their high line/offside trap, but against Ecuador Cahill returned upfront and IIRC Leckie shifted to RW? And given the Leckie example - that is how Troisi could be utilised too (Wide or upfront), depending on our tactical demands at the time.

So again it depends on how Ange chooses to line up, for each particular fixture and again, that variable could mean that the likes of Vidosic could still be employed out there.

Agreed - though again, even your squad still shows the uncertainties over those final half dozen possies. Let's hope the challengers continue to push on. Unfortunately, as you guys discuss, Ruka may've dropped from the race, given lack of football - I'm not up with the latest Aussies Abroad updates, but if you guys are right, Bozanic and Vidosic could be 'in trouble' too, if they haven't seen football for a while? That would be alarming if that were the case as the absence of those three diminishes our stocks on the flank significantly. Vidosic and, to a lesser degree, Ruka, bring valuable NT experience too!

Sarota could well bolt to be the third-choice/back-up DM. With injury or suspension (All the more possible in regards to DM) we may well need to call upon the reserve DM. During the match too, when we're under the pump (Will be expected ofc), we may also seek to tactically re-inforce/pack the midfield or what not, especially late in the game. It's between Holland and he for that possie - I guess we'll see who gets the call!

Edited by GloryPerth: 24/4/2014 05:01:08 PM

Ruka shouldn't be anywhere near the team. He's struggling for game time in B.2

Haha "they" as in other people on this forum posting their 23-man squad , but sure we'll go with Ange.and yes, thank goodnes McKay isn't being played on the wing, was such an eyesore..

Mind you it's hard to avoid uncertainties in positions..

Obviously I'm making assumptions about players returning from injury here. A good squad has 3 goalies, 2 left backs, 2 right backs, 4 centrebacks, 4 defensive/central mids, 2 play makers and 6 forwards as well as having tactical flexibility. My squad is

3 goal keepers: ryan langerak galekovic

2 left backs: davidson, zullo
4 centre backs: spira, sainsbury, good, neill, malik
one to be omitted: probably malik
2 right backs: franjic, wilkshire

4 defensive/central mids: brattan, mckay, milligan, jedinak, sarota, holland, bozanic, luongo
four: to be omitted, I would omit mckay luongo milligan and holland
2 attacking mids: rogic bresciano

6 forwards: cahill leckie oar halloran taggart troisi giannou kennedy
two to be omitted: I would lose kennedy and I have no idea who else!

May as well put it here instead of a new thread but who do people see as going from the ALeague?

On The Plane
Ivan Franjić
Mark Milligan
Matthew Špiranović

Pushing
Eugene Galeković
Matt McKay
Tom Rogić
James Troisi
Mark Birighitti
Adam Taggart
Tomi Jurić
Saša Ognenovski


Longshots
Osama Malik
Michael Zullo
Jade North
Matt Smith
Aziz Behich
Aaron Mooy
David Williams
Archie Thompson
David Carney
Ruben Zadkovich
Michael Thwaite
Danny Vukovic
Terry Antonis
Nick Carle
Michael Beauchamp
Nikolai Topor-Stanley


Did I miss anyone obvious from first two categories?

Post was good until I saw Behich. Couldn't nail down a spot in the worst team in the league+ is incredibly shit.

Mckay+Troisi are certainties for the squad. Taggart should be there and you can't rule out Zullo who is a quality player.

5 international caps and an overseas contract - how'd he get that if he was "incredibly shit"?

Anyway, that's why I listed that section "longshots". I personally wouldn't let near half of them anywhere close to the 30-man prelim squad but that doesn't mean they don't have a chance. There's not a lot of depth at left back (though I think right is worse).

lol MrMC.

FTR It's an 'interesting game' (Or 'was' - only a couple weeks till the prelim squad!) - just trying to deduce who the certainties for Ange are and who are the 'leading challengers' for the 'remaining positions of need' within the squad.

IMHO There are more certainties than many recognise and that settles around 15-16 members of the squad. That's both logical and pleasing, at this very late stage. Any more uncertainty there would be of great concern. So the final 7 places or so of the squad - all back up, depth, possies are still variables, 'up for grabs' though some planets 'may' be starting to align with the likes of Halloran and perhaps 1-2 others - but the important 'prerequisite' remains of semi-regular first team atleast.

With so many boys 'just returning from injury' or being rotated in-and-out of teams or what not, it really makes things quite uncertain for Ange, let alone us - People are very keen to list Sainsbury (Just returned from injury, wasn't in Zwolle's recent cup team that defeated Ajax, 5-1), Good (Just returned from injury, re-loaned to Dundee Utd for final couple games) and some others, but in the end they have the same pre-requisite as Neill (Who's injured, but chance to return for final two games)and others do of that semi-regular first team.

The players in the teams of Melbourne Victory, Central Coast Mariners, West Sydney Wanderers and Roar have much more of a chance that those who were in A-League teams that didn't make the finals or haven't been in the ACL (Like Taggart, Thwaite, Behich, D.Williams, Carney and others). For Wanderers they are still participating in both that's great for our leading, on-the-plane, CB option in Spiranovic!

Heck, considering that and the uncertainty over some Euro-based boys - the likes of Beauchamp and/or NTS, who both have a degree of NT experience, could well bolt back into the squad. Especially if, forbid, injuries and/or lack of first team continues for some of those Euro boys. The fact one or both of them have partnered Spira in the same Wanderers team, playing under Poppa and are 'known commodities' to Ange, could work in their favour - aswell as the constant first team they still see via the two competitions?

Edited by GloryPerth: 25/4/2014 04:56:52 PM

A good agent.

A good agent doesn't get you interest from Netherlands, Germany and Turkey, nor does it "win" you a spot in the National Team

Did his good agent also get him his bench spot in the worst team in the A-League?

Edited by jlm8695: 25/4/2014 09:24:53 PM

No no, I agree I think there a more certainties than uncertainties. There is just a lot of players competing for those remaining spots.

Yeah haha obviously players in those teams have a better chance because they're playing well :p Im interested to see how spira, Juric, Brattan, McKay, Franjic, Troisi, Milligan, and all the young guys play. I've never been a big fan of thwaite or carney honestly I'd mention them in the same breath as Cornthwaite, and Neil.. Also Taggart should at least make the 30 man team, if he isn't taken something is wrong..

I hope Ange would pick Brattan over McKay.
Zullo over carney and behich.

24 appearances and his loan contract say otherwise. But believe what you wish, just don't expect people to rate your opinion on players when you don't even think Oar should be part of your best 23 players

It sure as hell does.

Hmm yeah, Brattan could still be a good chance you'd think - if it's Sarota and Brattan as the two back up CMs/DMs - that would probably mean no McKay too.

Oh yeah, Zullo would have to still be in the running - though again, not up with his overseas form though. Surely the likes of Brattan, Troisi and Taggart will be making that initial 30-man squad. It's only like a couple weeks away now. I have a feeling once that squad announced the snowball will roll quick from there to the final 23 and the WC send-off game etc...! :cool:

You can clearly see him in my starting line up :lol:

24 appearances with heaps off the bench in the A-League+ a loan contract to the league's worst club after flopping massively in Turkey. Great player :lol:



Edited by jlm8695: 27/4/2014 05:15:52 AM

Plus the 65 appearances before with Heart, plus the Socceroos and Olyroos appearances. Keep trying. :lol:



Promotes a player to those country maybe but the interest has to come from the clubs themselves.

I think you'll find McKay is basically a lock for the 23. I would love to see Bratts in over him, but McKay is far more flexible in terms of positioning and is an old Ange favourite. Brattan is really only capable of playing as a 6/8, and as you have mentioned, we have truckloads of guys vying for that position on the pitch. I would probably even think Antonis/Mooy, with the ability to play further up the park as a 10 and take FK, has more of a shot of making the squad that Brattan.

McKay also has experience. You can't take an entire squad of rookies with no experience.

I believe with Wilkshire, Ognenovski, Cahill, Jedinak, Milligan and Bresciano, we are well served with experience. In saying that though I'm not of the opinion that Brattan is in our best 23 ATM, nor is McKay. If it came down to the two, I probably would go for Matty though.

Hopefully Sainsbury and Good can come into camp and get some fitness back and play in our friendlies against South Africa and Croatia (and someone else?) It is not unusual for Australian World Cup starting teams to possess players whom have had injury concerns or match fitness concerns coming into the WC: Kewell '06, Kalac '06, Bresc '10, Kewell '10, Moore '10, Schwarzer '10, Emerton '10. I'm probably forgetting a few more too. For 2014, ATM, of our starting XI we only really have Sainsbury/Good coming in off the back of limited football. (Touch wood). Rogic is the other obvious one, though probably not a starting XI player.

Just wish Kruse and Williams were fit and firing... :(

If collating the teams posted on here (17), the collective FFT 23-man squad would be:

Goalkeepers
Ryan (17)
Langerak (17)
Galekovic (7)

Defenders
Spiranovic (17)
Franjic (16)
Davidson (16)
Sainsbury (14)
Good (14)
Wilkshire (13)
McGowan (9)
Zullo (9)

Midfielders
Jedinak (17)
Milligan (16)
Sarota (12)
Rogic (16)
Oar (16)
Triosi (14)
Bresciano (12)
Halloran (11)
Vidiosic (10)

Forwards
Cahill (16)
Leckie (15)
Kennedy (14)

There's not a lot of wingers and it's a very inexperienced backline. Taggart was on same # teams as Vidiosic who was chosen instead because he can play wide. McKay was also in as many teams as Zullo so that one would be interchangeable.

If selection a 30 man squad the extras would be:
Taggart (10)
McKay (9)
Holland (7)
Williams (5)
Brattan (5)
Vukovic/Jones (4)
Juric (4)

If that's the 'consensus' so far - then that's both a pretty good squad but also one that's 'almost realistic', if still a little optimistic with both Good and Sainsbury included at CB with no sign of Neill, The Og, Wilkinson or any other experience in on that CB rotation (Which IS still possible under Ange, especially given the present club scenarios?) and the only experienced soul back there being Wilkshire (He's somehow in people's equations?)?! McKay and his tactical flexibility, experience and strong familiarity with Ange and his methods (plus vice versa) also 'just' absent.

But I can't believe that such a squad, such a degree of change, such a youth revolution to the degree of perhaps 'over-kill' - can't believe that such a squad could be selected, till I see it, really - doubt I'm only one either, after following the following the Socceroos all these years! :o

Edited by GloryPerth: 28/4/2014 11:10:47 PM

According to the recent Aussies Abroad thread, only Socceroo hopefuls Jedda, Holland, Oar, Sarota, Ryan, Vidosic, Davidson, Babalj, were starters in decent overseas leagues. One can add Wilkinson and Devere in Korea too.

I'm not sure if I've missed anyone, but English League One and Bundesliga 2 are not quality leagues.

I think Kennedy and Cahill were benched, but I'm not sure if it was due to injury?

If Jacob Burns isn't playing in Korea, he needs to return to the HAL pronto.

Babalj scored in the Eredivisie. He looked an excellent prospect in the HAL.





Edited by Decentric: 29/4/2014 07:01:34 PM

Babalj is playing for AZ reserves. He hasn't even got a glance at the first team from across the training pitch.

You and I see eye to eye on quite a few things but there's no way I can agree Bundesliga 2 isn't a quality league. I would argue that it's around the level of the mid-to-lower Eredivisie.