Isn't Sainsbury back at full training?
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/trent-track-injury-return

williams still a small possibility.
kruse very very slim chance (his acl injury 4-6 months recovery time from end of january).

'June 12th, the day before Australia’s first World Cup match against Chile, is the deadline for Kruse, as teams are allowed to replace one inured player 24 hours before their opening match.'

Edited by chondro: 17/4/2014 09:41:15 AM

:lol: people slay Lucas Neill's lack of game time, yet there are some people in this world who are still holding onto the hope Robbie Kruse & Williams can play in our WC squad

Sorry, I only just saw the Sainsbury returning news.

Yeah Kruse and Williams have already been officially ruled out, as their clubs have said they will not play them again this season.

Oh yeah, he's on loan in the A-League so I've obviously never seen him play. Fucking retarded question.

Yeah, but they're playing and training at a higher level than Lucas and aren't missing 2-3 steps pace at the best of times.

Lucas trains and plays with a Championship club, so does Williams. And Williams & Kruse aren't doing much of either at the moment!

Yeah, but they're not in a relegation battle and aren't consistently beaten for pace.

Hardly a "fucking retarded question" when if you've ever watched him play you would know that there's a lot more than just being a good dribbler. There's the fact he's probably our best finisher going around right now, his link up play and movement is top class and he can pick a pass., but nah he can just dribble.

Edited by jlm8695: 17/4/2014 04:32:55 PM

I think the squad will look something like this..
Gk:
1. Ryan
2. Langerak
3. Jones, Federici, Galekovic or Vukovic

Defenders:
4. Sainsbury
5. Spiranovic
6. Ogenovski
7. Wilkshere - I'd start him over Franjic
8. Franjic
9. Davidson
10. Good, McGowan, or Zullo

Holding Midfielders:
11. Jedinak
12. Milligan

Attacking Midfielders
13. Bresciano
14. Troisi
15. Rogic


Wingers:
16. Leckie
17. Oar
18. Halloran


Forwards:
19. Cahill
20. Taggart
21. Kennedy- as much as I dislike him, he'll be picked



22. Sarota, Luongo, Bozanic, Vidosic or Rukavysta

23. Irvine, McKay, Brattan, or Holland

That says more about the dearth of talented Australian strikers than it does about Troisi IMO. And he's certainly made look good by Barbarouses being one of the most profligate strikers in the league.

Victory's attack is all Troisi at the moment. He's done a lot more than Barbarouses.

It doesn't matter whether we have a dearth of attackers at the moment, because you should be taking your best players regardless of how they compare to yesteryear.

FWIW, I brought Troisi off the bench in the new WC game and he scored against Netherlands.

Omen.

Who's in the Aussie squad in that game? Out of interest.

It's a massive squad of like 40 players who've featured over the last few years. However some of the younger guys (like Good and Leckie) aren't in it yet. :(

Edited by A16Man: 17/4/2014 08:33:44 PM

Leckie's not in it? That's surprising. He's been playing regularly since the Canada game.

If it was as simple as taking the best players regardless then there wouldn't be a single defender in the squad.

Yeah I'm hoping for a squad update soon.

Get on it Bowden!

I was talking about our attackers. As in, he's one of our best attackers.

Ange recruited him (When Victory coach) too. Coe's pedigree is undoubted and his form has recently improved, facing high level teams. But yeah, regular call-ups like Galekovic are still contenders.

Though Coe has the advantage over Galekovic and even Jones, Langerak and some others in the fact he's seeing football still and will be in a side who's team is playing competitive football games via the A-League Finals and ACL.

Regular or atleast semi-regular, first team is ofcourse a strong pre-requisite these days and was further re-inforced with Langerak's brain fart against Ecuador. Langerak will still be a selection, despite his circumstances and against the grain of what I just said, but #3 will HAVE to be a regular featuring keeper and who knows, that keeper, if he's regularly featuring and match fit, could become the instant deputy to Ryan, above Langerak even?!



I only had Williams there, in red, given his outside chances and the fact he would've been a shoe-in otherwise - further re-inforces the blow his absence leaves. But as they all say, opportunity presents for others. You are right though, that opportunity may ironically present for a now regularly featuring at club level, Neill. Especially considering the CB rotation will feature the likes of Spiranovic and perhaps other inexperienced young defenders like Good and/or McGowan, Sainsbury or the like. So will be interesting to see how the likes of our East Asian-Based and European based CBs are featuring during this time. It's crucial that 'identified key talents' like the aforementioned players are fit and firing as often as possible as not long ago the dearth of CBs seeing regular match-time was alarming, especially circa the Ecuador squad selection.



I think Vidosic seems all-but - I think it's more a case of not he fighting but those fighting he for his spot. He's been a regular last few squads and started against CR. He's tactically flexible and could be seen as an immediate replacement for either flank. Though it also depends on how he sees Oar, Leckie and possibly Halloran (If he makes selection) fitting into his tactical set ups for each of the three games. For instance, if we're deeper and countering, the pace of Leckie, Halloran and co as a front trio could be preferred, where as another scenario may require more defensive work from the wingers, dropping deeper or even squeezing centrally, so players like Vidosic may be employed wide instead?

I suspect we may be right about McKay, though hopefully he too seeks greater challenge from those below him. But it's hard to see that happening, especially with his tactical flexibility and overall experience. Any late injuries or suspensions during the Cup and he could easily slot into LB, DM, LW or what not at short notice.



Indeed - Though Schwarzer and his decline I'd arguably omit from that list - But Kewell's qualities - the legend finished on a high. Ah well, Kewell's time had to pass at some point and now it has after 17 years with the NT. Kruse's qualities will definitely be missed, especially pegging them back a bit, via counter. The likes of Leckie and Halloran, while also providing pace and a threat of sorts, lack the 'refinement', experience and perhaps even big game nous, that Kruse has brings to the Socceroos (Kruse scored important goals, at important moments, for us in qualifying). Rhys Williams should be added - he was our leading CB option and despite his relative lack of caps, is actually one of the more experienced CB options, of quality, we had at our disposal. His play, including distribution, against CR was soo pleasing/promising to see. Hence it enhancing the blow of his absence. He and Spira would've made the dream CB combo we've been longing from those two for the past six seasons now.

Edited by GloryPerth: 21/4/2014 07:21:16 PM

The players I think Angelo Postecoglou will select. Note Rhys Williams & Robbie Kruse not picked due to injury.

M.Ryan
M.Langerak
D.Vukovic

M.Smith
M.Spiranovic
I.Franjic
J.Davidson
C.Good
R.McGowan
L.Wilkshire
M.Zullo

M.Milligan
M.Jedinak
M.Bresciano
M.McKay
T.Oar
D.Vidosic
T.Rogic
J.Holland

T.Cahill
M.Leckie
J.Kennedy
J.Traoisi

That's pretty good actually.

Although like some others, I have doubts about Troisi getting picked. Also half expecting Wilkshire to be cut.
Would give reasonable chances to Halloran, Sarota and Taggart too.

Edited by neanderthal: 22/4/2014 11:57:40 AM

More or less agreed entirely.
I'd probably slip Sarota in for Holland or McKay. And I think Ange will take Wilkinson.

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No chance good is being selected before Sainsbury.

I would prefer Troisi to Vidosic. Technically similar, but troisi has much more pace. Troisi is also more flexible, they can both play AM, troisi is a much better winger and he is a decent striker. Hopefully hollaran gets a spot in the spot also. I have serious doubts about leckies technical abilites.

Oh and troisi has a superior defensive workrate and pressing.

Dont mind it.
I honestly think Vidosic will be lucky to make the team. its not like hes been getting heaps of game time or setting the league on fire over there.
Troisi SHOULD have done enough to take his spot in the team, particularly since he can play on either wing, and as a 10 or 9.
Not sure about Matty Smith either - maybe the 30, not the 23.Z

Combining who I'd like to see and who I would expect...

Ryan, Langerak, Galekovic (Birighitti)

Franjic, Wilkshire, Spira, R Mcgown, Sainsbury, Good, Davidson, Zullo (Chapman, Br Smith - however unlikely)

Milligan, Jedi (c), Mooy, Luongo (McKay, Sarota)

Halloran, Troisi, Rogic, Bresc, Oar (Antonis)

Cahill, Kennedy, Leckie (Juric)

I will be annoyed if Bozanic and Vidosic get in - they havent really been playing and I dont think either have actually been that good when they've played for AUS. I'd almost be tempted to take Juric over Kennedy for the experience... Leckie will be starting, Cahill impact sub, Kennedy a rarity... not like we will be down 3-2 and chasing a win in the semis.

Too old and hasn't played enough football in the last year. He has significantly deteriorated as a ball winner, has lost speed over the turf, as well as being slower to recover if beaten. Neill's main assets are experience, reading the game and organisational ability. Spira distributes just as well and is a better ball winner.

Edited by Decentric: 23/4/2014 06:33:10 PM

If Carney is selected as a left winger, where he is far more effective and comfortable than left back, because he played well for the Jets in this position. His aerial crossing is good too.

Unfortunately, he was pushed into the LB position, to fit a Socceroo void. Carney has always been more comfortable on the wing.

This might be just me, but I find it hard to take some of these squads seriously that only have Leckie and Oar without any other quick wingers like Halloran, Rukavytsya etc.

Everyone seems to be selecting a load of holding and attacking midfielders..

Leckie will presumably be playing as our striker like he did against Costa Rica so effectively...
Ruka barely gets on the pitch for his team.
Bozanic/Vidosic arent really wings and similarly dont get on the pitch.
Oar doesnt even play wing for his club... more of a left-sided central midfielder usually, as Sarota is right-sided CM.

We just happen to have a heap of good central midfielders at the moment (6, 8 &10)... its our one area of strength. Even the younger guys like Brattan, Antonis, Amini, Luongo, Inman, DDS, etc. are positioned there.

Who would you like to see there? Mate Duganzic? He's shit. If you want pace on the wing, maybe Ibini, but he offers little besides pace. Bring Holman back in? Pffft.

With Kruse out, Halloran will be our RW (maybe Troisi) and Oar will be on the left. When he got injured they literally ran about 35 "Who will replace Kruse?" articles on Foxsports.

In terms of the A-League... Roar - Broich/Petratos (not speedy), WSW - Hersi/Bridge (shite), CCM - Fitz/Ibini (not close to WC quality), MVFC - Barba/Archie (too old), AU - Fabio/Cirio/Mabil (too green), etc. etc.

Sometimes you need to just look at a bunch of apples and realise its a bunch of apples, not oranges.