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T minus 2 hours and 5 minutes till the booths close and the counting begins....
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Hopefully the start of a few one term Liberal governments getting turfed out.

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If labor win it will be interesting to hear Abbott spin the result as a decision made just on State issues

Edited by Joffa: 29/11/2014 04:29:57 PM
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Abott is toxic in victoria , why do you think bishop and howard were campaigning yesterday
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Easy win for Labor.

State Victorian government haven't done too much wrong and aren't hugely unpopular, but as you implied MVFC_Arsenal federal Liberal/Abbot is far too unpopular.

Edited by 433: 29/11/2014 05:46:24 PM
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433 wrote:
Easy win for Labor.

State Victorian government haven't done too much wrong and aren't hugely unpopular, but as you implied MVFC_Arsenal federal Liberal/Abbot is far too unpopular.

Edited by 433: 29/11/2014 05:46:24 PM

Yep , once the lib head honchos didn't want abott down here is when you know they gave up
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Labor a certainty to form government by a healthy margin of at least half a dozen, with the greens to win as many as three lower house seats.

Nice one Tone!
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one term Tony...
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paladisious wrote:
Labor a certainty to form government by a healthy margin of at least half a dozen, with the greens to win as many as three lower house seats.

Nice one Tone!


Fucking hell inner-city Melbourne :lol:
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ABCs Green has called it for ALP. He never calls unless he's sure.

Just saw a Labor bint ranting on ABC24 about tackling the law and order problems that affect women and children. After The Greens announcing that they would be pushing for women to be paid more superannuation than men, politicians don't even seem to particularly care about hiding their misandry anymore.

Biggest positive from this election so far has been Geoff Shaw losing his seat being outpolled by both ALP and LNP candidates.
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Why is there no talk about how the upper house will end up?
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paladisious wrote:
Why is there no talk about how the upper house will end up?

Harder to count.

Officials are broken into 2 counting teams, around 2/3 count lower house while the other third sort and count upper house. When all the lower house votes are counted and confirmed everyone jumps into upper house counting.

It's a shit job, I did it a few times when I was younger. Your day starts at around 6:30am and they'll be lucky to finish counting and leave by 10pm.

Edited by Notorganic: 29/11/2014 08:26:15 PM
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Joffa wrote:
one term Tony...

one term Mike and one term Campbell first [-o<

Saying that, I would welcome Tony using his double dissolution trigger earlier.

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Holy shit that chick in black in the background on the left of the Wendouree cross holding two different people's hands on the ABC right now looks as dtf as anyone I've ever seen.

Edited by paladisious: 29/11/2014 08:55:18 PM
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Victorian state election: Denis Napthine should not have lost, not if history is any guide

Date November 29, 2014 - 8:44PM

Josh Gordon

Denis Napthine should not have lost. Not if history is any guide. The recriminations for the Liberal Party – at both the state and national levels – will be significant.

As the Coalition would be painfully aware, there has not been a single-term government in Victoria since 1955, when John Cain senior was ousted as a result of the great Labor split.

On Saturday evening, as the disastrous results for the government began to filter through the Liberal Party's consciousness, senior figures from both the state and federal governments were scrambling to apportion blame in the race to influence the first draft of history.



One senior state Liberal put it, state-specific factors played the biggest part, although the federal budget, and Tony Abbott's performance more generally, acted as a ball-and-chain for the Napthine government. As if it needed any more handicaps.

When the Coalition crept into power in November 2010, the consensus was that Ted Baillieu would significantly build on his narrow majority the second time around, just as Steve Bracks did in 2002 when he won 62 out of 88 seats after three years of minority government.

Baillieu controlled both houses of Parliament, which theoretically gave him a historic opportunity to implement his agenda. Moreover, he enjoyed considerable public good will after 11 years of Labor.

The best Labor might have hoped for in early 2011 was to rebuild and regroup, with a view to winning in 2018.

Yet somehow along the way things went disastrously wrong for the Coalition government.

At the time of writing, Labor looked likely to win at least 45 seats in the 88 seat house. That would represent the barest of majorities, with the Greens on track to win the seat of Melbourne and possibly Richmond.

One thing is obvious: this election has been a tremendous political achievement by Daniel Andrews and Labor, and a dreadful political fumble by the Liberal Party in a state that was once supposed to be the jewel in the Liberal crown.

The result – and the question of how the Coalition squandered its position after just four years – will be dissected and studied around the nation as a watershed moment in Australian political history.

There is no single thing that went wrong for the Coalition. A combination of factors played a role.

First, Baillieu's first two years were characterised by a palpable sense of inertia. Efforts were made to repair the budget and implement election promises. But by the middle of 2012, there was a palpable sense of despair in government ranks that the processes of government were not functioning as they should. In fact, they were failing.

Second, switching leaders mid-stream was always going to be difficult. The change from Baillieu to Napthine was never really properly explained to voters. People were simply asked to accept it. Typically history would suggest leadership transitions to unelected leaders are problematic. This was certainly the experience with John Brumby, Christina Keneally, Joan Kirner, Anna Bligh, Julia Gillard and Lara Giddings.

Napthine injected some energy, but he failed to provide a unifying theme as to what the shaky government with an unelected leader was about.

Napthine was always adept at reeling off a long list of achievements and projects (and it was a reasonably good list), but less capable of fitting all those pieces together such that they would come to be seen by the electorate as a coherent whole.

Third, for much of the past two years the parliament has resembled a circus, largely because the government failed to manage Geoff Shaw, who deserted the Liberal Party to become a balance-of-power independent. Not only did Shaw precipitate the demise of Baillieu (after declaring a lack of confidence in his leadership) he also dispatched Ken Smith as speaker (again after declaring a lack of confidence in his ability to control the parliament). Labor exploited this ruthlessly to inflict maximum pain for the government.

Forth, if all this was't bad enough, Tony Abbott added further led to Napthine's saddle bags. Abbott almost certainly severely damaged the Liberal brand in Victoria. The perception of Abbott was one of incompetence, unfairness and dishonesty. Small wonder state Labor campaigned hard to remind voters at every opportunity that Napthine and Abbott are on the same team.

Finally, simply put Labor ran a far superior campaign. The Liberal campaign lacked coherence, failed to engage most of the mainstream media and failed in terms of a ground offensive. In many ways it was a style of campaign which more belonged in the Kennett era.

Labor, which had less money, ran a strategically clever ground campaign using thousands of volunteers in key marginals.

It will be a tough task for a next generation of Liberals – including Michael O'Brien, Matthew Guy and Mary Wooldridge – to rebuild. Daniel Andrews too, will face challenges, including managing the factional system, the unions and – just maybe – the Greens in the parliament.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/victoria-state-election-2014/victorian-state-election--denis-napthine-should-not-have-lost-not-if-history-is-any-guide-20141129-11wvdg.html
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Suzanna Sheed outta nowhere, ABC without a photo of her but Steve Bracks knowing who she was and why she got the vote (something to do with the Libs letting SPC close). He is a smart man.
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3 % swing . The libs have to thank Tony for this .
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Certainly the massive gains by the Greens in what used to be Labor heartland should be a message to the party to remember that they're supposed to represent the left. It didn't hurt them forming a majority government in Victoria this time, but come the next federal election it could make the difference.
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As a Liberal voter, have to agree the Abbot Government shooting themselves in the foot all the time will have contributed to this. Wasn't Napthine winning the preferred Premier polling leading into the election?

Just hope NSW don't go the same way. Baird craps all over Robertson
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Napthine 15 mins away from Liberal HQ. When's the concession speech?
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RedshirtWilly wrote:
As a Liberal voter, have to agree the Abbot Government shooting themselves in the foot all the time will have contributed to this. Wasn't Napthine winning the preferred Premier polling leading into the election?


Labor has had the two party preferred for Victoria since the first Galaxy poll on the 24th of October when they won 52/48, pretty close to the primary vote tonight. Have to go hunting for other sourceable results, but it's probably reflecting those numbers for some time, mostly reflecting the unpopularity of the EWL and of course good old Tone.
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Stephen Jolly is a fine Australian. Also, his preferences will decide Richmond between Labor and the Greens. I imagine most people that would vote for him would pick their own preferences, so I bet that Richmond will probably be the last seat to get sorted out.
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Napthine about to concede.
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Going out classy. Federal Libs can only wish they had him instead of Abbott in Canberra, I can imagine.
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paladisious wrote:
RedshirtWilly wrote:
As a Liberal voter, have to agree the Abbot Government shooting themselves in the foot all the time will have contributed to this. Wasn't Napthine winning the preferred Premier polling leading into the election?


Labor has had the two party preferred for Victoria since the first Galaxy poll on the 24th of October when they won 52/48, pretty close to the primary vote tonight. Have to go hunting for other sourceable results, but it's probably reflecting those numbers for some time, mostly reflecting the unpopularity of the EWL and of course good old Tone.

Apparently we need the ewl according to the hun m but not releasing the business case doesn't help . Also somehow connecting mma to domestic violence and saying the cfmeu are thugs doesn't help . Hell I know plenty of trades who were going to vote libs as the ewl would've given them jobs but nope being called a thug irritated them
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
paladisious wrote:
RedshirtWilly wrote:
As a Liberal voter, have to agree the Abbot Government shooting themselves in the foot all the time will have contributed to this. Wasn't Napthine winning the preferred Premier polling leading into the election?


Labor has had the two party preferred for Victoria since the first Galaxy poll on the 24th of October when they won 52/48, pretty close to the primary vote tonight. Have to go hunting for other sourceable results, but it's probably reflecting those numbers for some time, mostly reflecting the unpopularity of the EWL and of course good old Tone.

Apparently we need the ewl according to the hun m but not releasing the business case doesn't help . Also somehow connecting mma to domestic violence and saying the cfmeu are thugs doesn't help . Hell I know plenty of trades who were going to vote libs as the ewl would've given them jobs but nope being called a thug irritated them

That's what you get for being stuck in the wrong century, hey.
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nah

Edited by paladisious: 29/11/2014 10:03:58 PM
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Yep . I've read the hun website m my god so many angry people , hell today's letters were full of pro libs and the hun had been campaigning for the libs . Had a two page editorial about how the libs have to been in power an the ewl is needed .
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They always put their cards on the table on election day lol
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