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mcjules
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I'm sorry you had to fall out of character ricey. Hope when you calm down you learn something. I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally.
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paulbagzFC
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Fish and chips are hard work m8. -PB
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trident
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mcjules wrote:I'm sorry you had to fall out of character ricey. Hope when you calm down you learn something.
I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally. You made a big mistake and now you're trying to regain ground by introducing more factoids you've googled? Why would anyone be interested? You'd be fascinated by how you're regarded in the 442 PM community (aka the Dark 442) :)
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McJules has Ricey absolutely rattled.
Not sure if Pm'ing yourself on different accounts counts as a 'community' though.
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AzzaMarch
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mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Food for thought:
Some of those people who don't like indigenous "whingeing" about Jan 26 say that aborigines should "move on" from "what happened 50+ years ago".
Why can't we, as the rest of society, "move on" from celebrating our national day on Jan 26 to a day that is more inclusive?
50 years ago is a lot closer in time than almost 230 years ago? Why are we so attached to that date? It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all. Can easily be changed. Interesting - thanks McJules. I had no idea that the public holiday nation-wide for all was so recent.
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trident
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Azza mate you had no idea because its completely false :) mcjules wrote:
It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size]
he's trying to give trident a history lesson :) :) :)
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AzzaMarch
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Ignoring the cultural differences that lead to lower life expectancy, physiologically the Indigenous Australian is, on average, weaker to the non-Indigenous Australian. Ok, I'll bite. 1- the "cultural differences' you speak of are directly caused by the govt policies of putting indigenous people of reserves, not allowing them education etc etc. 2- "On average, weaker"?? What does that even mean? What evidence do you have for this? Ridiculous statement.
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mcjules
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trident wrote:You'd be fascinated by how you're regarded in the 442 PM community (aka the Dark 442) :) I think I overuse the emoticon but I did genuinely :lol: at this one. Like I give a shit :lol:
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trident
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by the way a few examples prior to 1988... http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1983/http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1984/http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1987/other random years the day off was moved to the friday or monday, but still celebrated on the 26th that sinks your rewritten version of history
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trident
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mcjules madly trying to google his way out of the corner he's painted himself into :)
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mcjules
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No need to Google any more. I hope you source your assignments better than this otherwise you'll never pass the research project module.
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trident
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mcjules wrote:
It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size]
mcjules wrote:
[size=7]I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally.[/size]
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BETHFC
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mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Lets say we offer them compensation (which given my NZ heritage will only result in severe issues and people will be personally affected), will it change the sentiment towards white Australia? I don't have a problem helping aboriginals. I guess a good start would be finding out what aboriginal people want from aboriginals. An aboriginal indigenous affairs minister would be a start.
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Yes, it seems BETHFC is having trouble coming to grips with his white anglo-saxon privilege Privilege is a word used by intellectually inferior humans as a substitute to making awful stereotypes :lol:
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:Typical code cutter. Cant communicate nor comprehend the spoken language. :)
Says the dickhead using the word privilege due to a lack of any kind of argument :lol:
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BETHFC
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Ignoring the cultural differences that lead to lower life expectancy, physiologically the Indigenous Australian is, on average, weaker to the non-Indigenous Australian. Ok, I'll bite. 1- the "cultural differences' you speak of are directly caused by the govt policies of putting indigenous people of reserves, not allowing them education etc etc. 2- "On average, weaker"?? What does that even mean? What evidence do you have for this? Ridiculous statement. Don't start with not allowing them education. The rural communities are hard to fund, and any assistance attempted is seen as white treachery. There is a massive gulf in trust between the two parties that doesn't stand to be fixed by continual negative stereotypes on both ends. Physiologically, the indigenous Australian is far more susceptible to alcoholism and the problems associated with that. Throw in higher rates of diabetes and heart problems and it is clear to see that they aren't as durable as the rest of us. 27% of crime in this country is committed by indigenous people comprising 3% of the population. This is an issue. How do we link this back to white people?
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trident
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Crime is determined by the prosecutor.
Thats how. :)
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor.
Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem?
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BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor.
Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem? I didnt say that :)
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paulbagzFC
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ricey has crackered :) -PB
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I wish people would realise that the country isn't split into British convicts and Aboriginals, a large part of our population wouldn't have had relatives in Australia until the mid 1900's or later. I saw a video of someone saying it is like having a party than a group of people coming in and killing everyone then organising a gathering each year on the anniversary, I share no relation to the people that came back then and most people in Australia don't.
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor.
Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem? I didnt say that :) So you're making the call that white prosecutors/magistrates are corrupt and racist? :lol: you've lost it Ricey MKII
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SocaWho wrote:i have mixed feelings about a republic...its good that it hopefully opens a new chapter for indignous recognition and turning over a new leaf...but bad from a law perspective. By that i mean every facet of law would be rejigged to affect day to day livng...i mean where do you stand as a citizen ? , what are your rights?
the cost to the taxpayer would be massive. ...the laws will be rejigged by people who have an agenda for themselves that might not benefit everyone and only their constiuents.
I mean i get sick of Ray Martin telling me whats good for me...and whats not.
Eventually Australia will be a republic no question...but it seems people like Ray Martin want to jump head first without a gradual transition...people like Ray Martin actually turn off people who are undecided
Edited by Socawho: 27/1/2016 12:03:20 PM This post is as uninformed as your comments on Mabo.
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mcjules
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BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Lets say we offer them compensation (which given my NZ heritage will only result in severe issues and people will be personally affected), will it change the sentiment towards white Australia? I don't have a problem helping aboriginals. I guess a good start would be finding out what aboriginal people want from aboriginals. An aboriginal indigenous affairs minister would be a start. The only thing that will change the sentiment towards white Australia is when they're treated with dignity and respect. There's no one solution that's going to fix everything, I agree that an aboriginal affairs minister would be a great start.
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mcjules
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BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor.
Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem? I didnt say that :) So you're making the call that white prosecutors/magistrates are corrupt and racist? :lol: you've lost it Ricey MKII After making a complete fool of himself he's reverted to obtuse statements where he can't be pinned down. Classic RC.
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BETHFC
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mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Lets say we offer them compensation (which given my NZ heritage will only result in severe issues and people will be personally affected), will it change the sentiment towards white Australia? I don't have a problem helping aboriginals. I guess a good start would be finding out what aboriginal people want from aboriginals. An aboriginal indigenous affairs minister would be a start. The only thing that will change the sentiment towards white Australia is when they're treated with dignity and respect. There's no one solution that's going to fix everything, I agree that an aboriginal affairs minister would be a great start. Respect is a two way street. Both sides have a long way to go there.
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trident
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"a great start"?
Australia used to have an aboriginal affairs minister.
More proof mcjules came down with the last shower :)
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mcjules
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trident wrote:"a great start"?
Australia used to have an aboriginal affairs minister.
More proof mcjules came down with the last shower :) Ah yes. I had to check but Mal Brough was indigenous affairs minister for a couple of years. Good pick up ricey. Still one person in 45 years that the portfolio has existed and that one being 9 years ago is not a great record.
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trident
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mcjules wrote:trident wrote:"a great start"?
Australia used to have an aboriginal affairs minister.
More proof mcjules came down with the last shower :) Ah yes. I had to check but Mal Brough was indigenous affairs minister for a couple of years. Good pick up ricey. Still one person in 45 years that the portfolio has existed and that one being 9 years ago is not a great record. Mr Google is now moving the goalposts as he's been found out. Keep googling :)
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Why does ricecrackers have to ruin every meaningful discussion? Ban him and rid the forum of this cancer.
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