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BETHFC wrote:mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Lets say we offer them compensation (which given my NZ heritage will only result in severe issues and people will be personally affected), will it change the sentiment towards white Australia? I don't have a problem helping aboriginals. I guess a good start would be finding out what aboriginal people want from aboriginals. An aboriginal indigenous affairs minister would be a start. The only thing that will change the sentiment towards white Australia is when they're treated with dignity and respect. There's no one solution that's going to fix everything, I agree that an aboriginal affairs minister would be a great start.
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SocaWho wrote:i have mixed feelings about a republic...its good that it hopefully opens a new chapter for indignous recognition and turning over a new leaf...but bad from a law perspective. By that i mean every facet of law would be rejigged to affect day to day livng...i mean where do you stand as a citizen ? , what are your rights? the cost to the taxpayer would be massive. ...the laws will be rejigged by people who have an agenda for themselves that might not benefit everyone and only their constiuents. I mean i get sick of Ray Martin telling me whats good for me...and whats not. Eventually Australia will be a republic no question...but it seems people like Ray Martin want to jump head first without a gradual transition...people like Ray Martin actually turn off people who are undecided
Edited by Socawho: 27/1/2016 12:03:20 PM This post is as uninformed as your comments on Mabo.
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor. Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem? I didnt say that :) So you're making the call that white prosecutors/magistrates are corrupt and racist? :lol: you've lost it Ricey MKII
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I wish people would realise that the country isn't split into British convicts and Aboriginals, a large part of our population wouldn't have had relatives in Australia until the mid 1900's or later. I saw a video of someone saying it is like having a party than a group of people coming in and killing everyone then organising a gathering each year on the anniversary, I share no relation to the people that came back then and most people in Australia don't.
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ricey has crackered :) -PB
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BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor. Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem? I didnt say that :)
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:Crime is determined by the prosecutor. Thats how. :) So our laws are a problem?
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Crime is determined by the prosecutor. Thats how. :)
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BETHFC
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Ignoring the cultural differences that lead to lower life expectancy, physiologically the Indigenous Australian is, on average, weaker to the non-Indigenous Australian. Ok, I'll bite. 1- the "cultural differences' you speak of are directly caused by the govt policies of putting indigenous people of reserves, not allowing them education etc etc. 2- "On average, weaker"?? What does that even mean? What evidence do you have for this? Ridiculous statement. Don't start with not allowing them education. The rural communities are hard to fund, and any assistance attempted is seen as white treachery. There is a massive gulf in trust between the two parties that doesn't stand to be fixed by continual negative stereotypes on both ends. Physiologically, the indigenous Australian is far more susceptible to alcoholism and the problems associated with that. Throw in higher rates of diabetes and heart problems and it is clear to see that they aren't as durable as the rest of us. 27% of crime in this country is committed by indigenous people comprising 3% of the population. This is an issue. How do we link this back to white people?
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:Typical code cutter. Cant communicate nor comprehend the spoken language. :)
Says the dickhead using the word privilege due to a lack of any kind of argument :lol:
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BETHFC
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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Yes, it seems BETHFC is having trouble coming to grips with his white anglo-saxon privilege Privilege is a word used by intellectually inferior humans as a substitute to making awful stereotypes :lol:
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BETHFC
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mcjules wrote:BETHFC wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect our generation to pick up the bill for issues that started long before we were born. I understand the sentiment but in reality life is like this. You can't take advantage of the benefits afforded to you by previous generations without taking on the bad things too. If you're parents have a home loan and other debts (apart from HECS) when they pass away, that debt gets transferred to you. If the previous generation polluted the waterways meaning there is a shortage of potable water, you have to deal with it and find a solution. The reality is it barely affects your day to day life and I struggle to understand why it's such an imposition to say "previous generations did horrible things to you and have put you in a shitty situation. We'll do our best to help you". Whether the way we're currently helping is the best way or not is another matter of course. Lets say we offer them compensation (which given my NZ heritage will only result in severe issues and people will be personally affected), will it change the sentiment towards white Australia? I don't have a problem helping aboriginals. I guess a good start would be finding out what aboriginal people want from aboriginals. An aboriginal indigenous affairs minister would be a start.
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trident
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mcjules wrote: It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size]
mcjules wrote: [size=7]I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally.[/size]
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mcjules
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No need to Google any more. I hope you source your assignments better than this otherwise you'll never pass the research project module.
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trident
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mcjules madly trying to google his way out of the corner he's painted himself into :)
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trident
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by the way a few examples prior to 1988... http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1983/http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1984/http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1987/other random years the day off was moved to the friday or monday, but still celebrated on the 26th that sinks your rewritten version of history
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mcjules
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trident wrote:You'd be fascinated by how you're regarded in the 442 PM community (aka the Dark 442) :) I think I overuse the emoticon but I did genuinely :lol: at this one. Like I give a shit :lol:
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AzzaMarch
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Ignoring the cultural differences that lead to lower life expectancy, physiologically the Indigenous Australian is, on average, weaker to the non-Indigenous Australian. Ok, I'll bite. 1- the "cultural differences' you speak of are directly caused by the govt policies of putting indigenous people of reserves, not allowing them education etc etc. 2- "On average, weaker"?? What does that even mean? What evidence do you have for this? Ridiculous statement.
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Azza mate you had no idea because its completely false :) mcjules wrote: It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size]
he's trying to give trident a history lesson :) :) :)
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AzzaMarch
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mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Food for thought:
Some of those people who don't like indigenous "whingeing" about Jan 26 say that aborigines should "move on" from "what happened 50+ years ago".
Why can't we, as the rest of society, "move on" from celebrating our national day on Jan 26 to a day that is more inclusive?
50 years ago is a lot closer in time than almost 230 years ago? Why are we so attached to that date? It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all. Can easily be changed. Interesting - thanks McJules. I had no idea that the public holiday nation-wide for all was so recent.
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McJules has Ricey absolutely rattled.
Not sure if Pm'ing yourself on different accounts counts as a 'community' though.
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trident
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mcjules wrote:I'm sorry you had to fall out of character ricey. Hope when you calm down you learn something.
I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally. You made a big mistake and now you're trying to regain ground by introducing more factoids you've googled? Why would anyone be interested? You'd be fascinated by how you're regarded in the 442 PM community (aka the Dark 442) :)
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Fish and chips are hard work m8. -PB
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mcjules
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I'm sorry you had to fall out of character ricey. Hope when you calm down you learn something. I actually wasn't 100% correct. Technically in 1988 for the bicentenary, 26th Jan was a PH for everyone. 1994 was when it was "celebrated" universally.
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meet somewhere down the middle, most people wouldn't care less what day you call "Australia day" they'll still celebrate it the same way regardless, the same token people shouldn't be made to feel guilty about celebrating it if it is the 26th of Jan
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Typical code cutter. Cant communicate nor comprehend the spoken language. :)
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mcjules wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:It must pay well considering what I can get done by paying Indian folk on freelancer :) Paying indians to get your school assignments done? You're going to go far in the Liberal party :lol: You must be a corporate high flyer considering you're still living in hicksville adelaide :) A real success, cutting code and working on the help desk :) Who said I was successful? And if I was, I certainly couldn't care enough to prove it to a high school kid on the internet :lol: Anyway if you want to "get out" of Adelaide yourself, my advice still applies. Apologies to everyone else. Won't be derailing this thread any more :) :) Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 04:17:06 PM What a meltdown from you. Perhaps stick to what you know, ie answering phone calls and leave the history lessons to the experts. Trying to claim Australia Day wasnt a public holiday until 1994, is one of the stupider posts I've read on this forum. Answering phone calls is the new fish and chip shop (sorry PB) :lol: There's no pride in schooling someone so young so no gloating. Maybe you can impress your teachers with this little tidbit. Quote:To summarise, New South Wales — Sydney especially — has long celebrated 26 January to mark the beginning of British occupation of Australia. Victoria and the other Australian states and territories, persuaded by the Australian Natives' Association, came to accept Australia Day by 1935, celebrating it together with a long weekend. Since 1979, federal government promotion of an Australia Day that was less British and more Australian gave the day a higher profile in the hope of unifying Australia's increasingly diverse population. The long weekend gave way to the day itself in 1994, and ten years later Canberra displaced Sydney as the day's focal point. http://www.australiaday.org.au/australia-day/history/australia-day-26-january-a-day-for-all-australians/ You obviously werent even around in 1994 or if you were you were a child. Australia Day public holiday on January 26 has been around a century. Your google knowledge of history has you miscomprehending an article that has only stated the day was previously moved around the weekend for nothing more than convenience. this is what you said mcjules wrote:AzzaMarch wrote:Food for thought:
Some of those people who don't like indigenous "whingeing" about Jan 26 say that aborigines should "move on" from "what happened 50+ years ago".
Why can't we, as the rest of society, "move on" from celebrating our national day on Jan 26 to a day that is more inclusive?
50 years ago is a lot closer in time than almost 230 years ago? Why are we so attached to that date? It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size] Can easily be changed. the 26th has always been the significant date and its been the public holiday whenever its fallen on a Friday or Monday
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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:It must pay well considering what I can get done by paying Indian folk on freelancer :) Paying indians to get your school assignments done? You're going to go far in the Liberal party :lol: You must be a corporate high flyer considering you're still living in hicksville adelaide :) A real success, cutting code and working on the help desk :) Who said I was successful? And if I was, I certainly couldn't care enough to prove it to a high school kid on the internet :lol: Anyway if you want to "get out" of Adelaide yourself, my advice still applies. Apologies to everyone else. Won't be derailing this thread any more :) :) Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 04:17:06 PM What a meltdown from you. Perhaps stick to what you know, ie answering phone calls and leave the history lessons to the experts. Trying to claim Australia Day wasnt a public holiday until 1994, is one of the stupider posts I've read on this forum. Answering phone calls is the new fish and chip shop (sorry PB) :lol: There's no pride in schooling someone so young so no gloating. Maybe you can impress your teachers with this little tidbit. Quote:To summarise, New South Wales — Sydney especially — has long celebrated 26 January to mark the beginning of British occupation of Australia. Victoria and the other Australian states and territories, persuaded by the Australian Natives' Association, came to accept Australia Day by 1935, celebrating it together with a long weekend. Since 1979, federal government promotion of an Australia Day that was less British and more Australian gave the day a higher profile in the hope of unifying Australia's increasingly diverse population. The long weekend gave way to the day itself in 1994, and ten years later Canberra displaced Sydney as the day's focal point. http://www.australiaday.org.au/australia-day/history/australia-day-26-january-a-day-for-all-australians/
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mcjules wrote:trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:It must pay well considering what I can get done by paying Indian folk on freelancer :) Paying indians to get your school assignments done? You're going to go far in the Liberal party :lol: You must be a corporate high flyer considering you're still living in hicksville adelaide :) A real success, cutting code and working on the help desk :) Who said I was successful? And if I was, I certainly couldn't care enough to prove it to a high school kid on the internet :lol: Anyway if you want to "get out" of Adelaide yourself, my advice still applies. Apologies to everyone else. Won't be derailing this thread any more :) :) Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 04:17:06 PM What a meltdown from you. Perhaps stick to what you know, ie answering phone calls and leave the history lessons to the experts. Trying to claim Australia Day wasnt a public holiday until 1994, is one of the stupider posts I've read on this forum.
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trident wrote:mcjules wrote:trident wrote:It must pay well considering what I can get done by paying Indian folk on freelancer :) Paying indians to get your school assignments done? You're going to go far in the Liberal party :lol: You must be a corporate high flyer considering you're still living in hicksville adelaide :) A real success, cutting code and working on the help desk :) Who said I was successful? And if I was, I certainly couldn't care enough to prove it to a high school kid on the internet :lol: Anyway if you want to "get out" of Adelaide yourself, my advice still applies. Apologies to everyone else. Won't be derailing this thread any more :) :) Edited by mcjules: 27/1/2016 04:17:06 PM
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