Why does ricecrackers have to ruin every meaningful discussion? Ban him and rid the forum of this cancer.

I think people need to be reminded that the prime minister of this country, elected by the people, apologised to the indigenous population for past injustices almost 8 years ago. Yep, its been almost 8 years.

There will never be a moment in our history that acknowledges wrongs of the past as strong as this one. The fact that this victim mentality and projection of white guilt is still perpetuated in this nation with even more fervour tells me that even if Australia day was changed, even if the Aboriginal flag was adopted as the national flag, even if Australia day was changed to invasion day and was made as a day of mourning for the nation, people will not be satisfied.

The aboriginal people will never be free, until successful aboriginal people like Stan Grant, remind his people that the reason he is where he is at the moment, is because he put his head down, worked hard, got an education and started at the bottom and didn't act like a victim.

The reality is that if you want to be successful in the western world, The Brookings institute showed that you have to do three things:

1) stay in school and get an education
2) don't have children before you get married. ie, don't become a single parent.
3) Get a job, any job and start at the bottom and work your way up.

There is a mentality out there that past injustices perpetuate current failure. They do not. This is a myth.

Let's look at some examples:

Jewish people have suffered an enormous level of persecution, resulting in almost their entire extermination as recently as just 70 years ago. This is a far greater injustice than the Aborigines suffered and it was more recent. Despite this, Jewish people are extremely successful. The assumption is that there is some zionist conspiracy. The reality is that CULTURALLY, jewish people teach their children as a bare minimum, that they must get an education. A good education. The stereotype is that you are not really Jewish until you get into law school or medicine. This is drummed into them by their families and culture from a young age. So in just a few years, Jewish people rose from people exterminated like vermin, to dominating the world. Mostly because the US is a meritocracy that rewards hard work and education.

Lets look at another example. 30 or 40 years ago, Asian and SE Asian populations came to Australia with virtually nothing, from poverty and persecution and suffered racism.

Despite this, you could argue that Asian people are perhaps the most successful demographic in Australia. They dominate the halls of academia. They dominate school test scores. Universities are overwhelmingly dominated by Asians. The reason is again CULTURAL. Asian families instill into their children that if they want to be successful they need to work hard, get a good education at a bare minimum and be disciplined. We all know the "tiger mum" stereotype and thats cos it works.

The reason why Aboriginal people do poorly is cultural. It is instilled into them by their families that they are entitled to things, that white people are out to get them and are responsible for their failure and that there is no point in trying. This is perpetuated by every man and his dog writing articles that constantly link past injustices to current failure instead of cultural problems. This victim mentality helps no-one.

No-one in human history has ever been successful without hard work, dedication and discipline. Even children born into extreme wealth, will eventually fail if a strong mentality is not forced into them from a young age. Privileged, spoilt children eventually fail.

I know people on here may have difficulty believing this but its true. Capitalism is colour blind. It cares only about the colour green. Make yourself valuable by getting an education and working hard. Instill into your children that no-one is going to help them unless they help themselves. Don't be a victim or you will fail spectacularly.

Obviously, children who grow up with parents who are useless drug addicts are not going to have this mentality drilled into them because their parents are hopeless, but rewarding this with a victim mentality solves no deep cultural problem, thats why successful Aboriginals in society need to be good role models by showing their people they became successful through hard work, and that it is possible for Aborigines, like it is for everyone, to be succesful if good values are drummed into them.

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Formerly a senior lecturer in History and Australian Studies at the University of South Australia and a senior researcher in the Department of the Senate, Parliament House, Canberra, she currently works as a historian in Darwin.

I wonder if it would be possible for mcjules to not respond to any of my posts for one week.
I'm unsure why he takes my political opinions so personally.

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Ricey my son. I felt sorry for you yesterday because your credibility (did you have any?) took a beating and I know image is a big issue for teenagers so I gave you a hint that I hoped you would pick up on why you should let this go. Unfortunately you have kept going so I'm going to have to tell it to you straight.

1. You're challenging the history of Australia day by the Australia Day council. The article was written by Dr Elizabeth Kwan who as her bio states on the site

You better have a pretty definitive piece of evidence to back your claim up. Especially as your current schtick is to "trust the researchers" when it comes to climate change.
2. Your evidence is a no name website that generates calendars based on any year you give it based on the current public holiday legislation.

http://www.calendar-australia.com/holidays/1638/ Oh look this nation's first people were celebrating on the 26th January over 150 years before the British even arrived. Obviously that date is perfectly appropriate!

A bit of advice, go through and edit all your posts to be empty and if you haven't already, create a new account where you be yourself. People might actually like you if you're genuine.

+1

trident earlier made the comment: "It is becoming more and more socially unacceptable to "celebrate" Australia Day and what we're seeing now among progressives and intellectual young people (who are the future of this country) is active participation in the day of mourning and the Invasion Day marches around the land".

I understand that in certain circles (particularly those who affiliate with the ABC, Greens, Guardian, newmatilda and Buzzfeed) this view gets a lot of air-time, but to most people outside of these echo chambers, this is how it comes across:
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The ironic thing about the race-baiting, self-loathing (mostly white) brigade is that they pose the same problem to our society that the flag cape wearing, "We grew here you flew here" mob pose. They want to segregate our egalitarian, multi-cultural society into "us" vs "them" defined by ethnicity, and hold people to different standards based on ethnicity alone. Both groups, despite being on opposite ends of the spectrum, want to tear down one of the truly great qualities of our nation that has made Australia such an appealing destination for tourists and those keen to start a new life here (legally) and divide our nation instead- over time and race- two issues that can't be controlled.



Edited by Captain Haddock: 28/1/2016 03:24:19 PM

What I think a lot of the kids don't understand is the effect 1988 had on the nation. I remember the bicentary, it was a very big deal.

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What I think a lot of the kids don't understand is the effect 1988 had on the nation. I remember the bicentary, it was a very big deal.

Apparently that history has been "rewritten" Azza :lol:

"The tradition of having Australia Day as a national holiday on 26 January is a recent one. Not until 1935 did all the Australian states and territories use that name to mark that date. Not until 1994 did they begin to celebrate Australia Day consistently as a public holiday on that date".

http://www.australiaday.org.au/australia-day/history/

From the official Australia Day website....

Why am I getting deja vu? If only there were lots of kooky blog sites about denying that the Australia day wasn't always a public holiday for all on the 26th of January. This thread might have get to 80 odd pages then ;)

It was only in 1935 that all states and territories started calling it "Australia Day" [size=8]and apparently only in 1994 did it begin to be a public holiday for all.[/size]

Not until 1994 did they begin to celebrate Australia Day [size=8]consistently [/size]as a public holiday on that date".

FFS Does it really matter? No matter what day Australia Day is lefty douche bags will always turn into an "Invasion day" guilt trip.

Can we rational folk keep Australia day and the Aboriginals and leftists have their own day?

Can we rational folk keep Australia day and the Aboriginals and leftists have their own day?