It's because you claim some moral superiority then go around abusing.

You are a creep.

Still cut up about your Paraoos thread I see.

I'm assuming because you can read you're not from Nth Qld?

scumbag

Man City have a real nice 7000 seat stadium at their headquarters where the youth teams and the women's teams play.

Why can't they build a few of these little gems for the A-league?



The Townsville stadium is a joke but the rednecks will love it.

Man City have a real nice 7000 seat stadium at their headquarters where the youth teams and the women's teams play.

Why can't they build a few of these little gems for the A-league?



The Townsville stadium is a joke but the rednecks will love it.

The Townsville stadium is a joke but the rednecks will love it.

Election 2016 - Townsville stadium doesn't stack up

Labor's proposed new $250 million sports stadium in Townsville is not financially viable and will cost taxpayers half a billion dollars in its first 30 years in operation, according to a confidential business case submitted to the federal government's peak infrastructure body.

While Bill Shorten has promised $100 million for a new home for rugby league in North Queensland - to match the state Labor government's $100 million pledge - the business case found the project would not deliver a positive benefit cost ratio (BCR).

A positive BCR - where the benefits outweigh the costs - is required to receive any funding from Infrastructure Australia.

The new 25,000 seat stadium in Townsville - which would only have an estimated 13 event days a year for home games for the North Queensland Cowboys - received a rating of 0.214 in the Queensland government's business case to Infrastructure Australia, obtained by The Australian Financial Review.

That is, for every taxpayer dollar spent on the stadium it would only deliver a return of 21 cents.

The business case prepared by the Queensland Department of State Development - which has never been publicly released - is a blow to Labor's economic credentials, with critics saying Mr Shorten's support for the stadium was a populist stunt aimed at winning seats in North Queensland in the July 2 poll.

The business case, which was signed off by the Palaszczuk state government in November, found the capital cost of a new stadium was likely to be $250 million, but the full cost of the stadium over 30 years would top $530 million in 2015 dollars.

A stadium with an integrated 5800-seat entertainment centre, as preferred by the Townsville City Council, would cost $380 million to build, but slug taxpayers with $785.3 million over the same timeframe.

The sensitivity analysis found the net benefit of the stadium - the difference between the present value of the total benefits and the costs - was a $170 million loss. The economic position would improve if the stadium had multiple tenants, the report found.

The negative BCR would explain why the Palaszczuk Labor government submitted the information on the Townsville stadium to Infrastructure Australia late last year, but did not ask the federal government body for a formal assessment.

It was not on the state's priority projects list this year, but they still expect the federal government to fund almost half of it.

The business case noted public stadiums struggled to deliver a financial return to state or local governments, but there would be wider economic and social benefits for the city.

"Notwithstanding the low BCR, the business case noted that the best-practice regional stadium offers significant potential for the catalytic development in Townsville, providing activation of the surrounding area and favourable community benefit uplift," the report said.

The secret document said despite the stadium not being financially viable there were a number of social and community benefits, including "increased levels of social cohesion and well-being in the community".

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk was spruiking the Townsville stadium and Mr Shorten's support in state parliament on Wednesday. They want to build the stadium by 2020.

"We know the stadium will create jobs in Townsville because Townsville is hurting," she said. "We need to see a very firm commitment from Malcolm Turnbull to the Townsville stadium because that means jobs for families."

To increase pressure on the federal Coalition to match the funding, the North Queensland Cowboys have warned they may be forced to leave Townsville within five years if the stadium is not built.

The Prime Minister has so far resisted the urge to back the populist project. Local federal Liberal National Party MP Ewen Jones said he supported the project - which he believed could be reworked to focus on urban renewal - but it should be fully-funded by the state government.

"It certainly can't be funded by Infrastructure Australia. I think it's a great project but it should be funded by the state government like they do for stadiums in south-east Queensland," Mr Jones said.

Infrastructure Partnerships Australia chief executive Brendan Lyon said the federal government would get a better return for their money and boost productivity by investing in transport projects.

"If the Queensland budget was strong the state would be able to do what Victoria and NSW do and fund it with their own money," he said.

http://www.afr.com/news/politics/election-2016--townsville-stadium-doesnt-stack-up-20160511-gosd8y

Can't help to think that having a state of the art stadium like that without an A-League team just doesn't seem possible. I mean spending 300+ million for 8 NRL games and the odd rugby game doesn't seem feasible without an additional significant tenant.

#NorthQueenslandCowboys4A-League

Did have some decent players come through, especially Carlton SC. But agreed, as a general rule it was a colossal failure.

There's an excellent article that I read an extract from last night taken from here:

http://leopoldmethod.com.au/quarterly-edition-issue-2/

on Carlton & Collingwood in the NSL. I cant find the link where I read it though.

As a Carlton supporter at the time I was interested to read such a good write up and still a little cut too. I'm no Aussie Rules follower and I was very, very dubious of the whole thing at the start but Carlton eventually won me over, I think their heart was in the right place and they had appeal to me (that Collingwood certainly didn't). A big shame and as Lou Sticca claims, 10 years ahead of their time. They lifted the bar and had such a great squad.

eggball codes are fundamentally incompatible with football on all levels, administrably as well as mentally and culturally imo

The Geelong example is a good one, tapping into parochialism is the idea of having a multi-sport club. In somewhere like Adelaide or Melbourne, partnering with an AFL club is one way of dividing and limiting a fan base, especially in Adelaide where there is a large divide.
It may work for a new Adelaide team to link up with an AFL club to try and pickup a fan base but for AUFC to pick a side would be stupid.
But linking up with other codes with one team in town would work, the mens and womens basketball teams are both long established teams with success but have struggled off field at times, same with the netball team. Add in the baseball and ice hockey and you have a bunch of clubs that could benefit greatly by shared admin/medical/training to not only reduce cost but get a better service in those areas.
Has the ability for sponsors to get better access to a larger audience and allows the smaller clubs access to bigger sponsors.
But like many things it's easier to say than do.

i know TAC cup, i thought it was 17-18 year olds...since when did they start taking 15 year olds?

Not quite - it's the TAC Cup. Basically a whole host of 'academy clubs' around Victoria where the best local talent is concentrated and then play against each other. It's a massive recruitment stage into the AFL, usually starts around age 15 for most boys (which is ironically where football experiences a large drop off of players). They spend three years in this system in the hope they get selected to go to draft camp and hopefully be drafted when they're 18. It's a full on program, where they're training 3-4 times a week with games across the state on Saturdays - no way these boys would be capable of playing football at any meaningful level on a Sunday.

I appreciate that if a boy is physically fit he would be an attractive proposition to transition to football (Leckie anyone?) but the elite level players are born with a football at their feet - simple as that. Look at the elite players throughout history in football and they won't have done anything more in other sports other than for a bit of fun at school.

whats a AFL underage system? you mean just playing jr Aussie rules and being selected good enough for the state team?

Depends - if they're playing them in the school yard then sure. However, if you've got a kid who has been in the AFL underage system his whole life, and then decides at 17 to play football, I doubt he'd be better than the kid who has been playing football since birth.

i think kids, who play many different sport, end up being better football players

More like , you couldnt call yourself a real australian if you didnt follow an AFL team... Even in the 80's/90's this was being rammed down our throat ( and I was a kid )

[quote=scott21]If you dont follow AFL and live in Melbourne arent you considered a social outcast?

This probably was the main reason post war immigrants chose to drop football.

Source ?

Birthplace   No. of arrivals
July 1949 - June 2000[20]   July 1949 - June 1959[21]   July 1959 - June 1970[22]   July 1970 - June 1980
1 United Kingdom & Ireland   1,787,449(31.6%)   419,946 (33.5%)   654,640 (45.3%)   342,373 (35.8%)
2 Italy   390,810 (6.9%)   201,428 (16.1%)   150,669 (10.4%)   28,800 (3.0%)
3 New Zealand   371,683 (6.6%)   29,649 (2.4%)   30,341 (2.1%)   58,163 (6.1%)
4 Germany   255,930 (4.5%)   162,756 (13.0%)   50,452 (3.5%)   not in top 10
5 Greece   220,603 (3.9%)   55,326 (4.4%)   124,324 (8.6%)   30,907 (3.2%)
6 Yugoslavia
(Yugoslavia recorded until 1994 –95 inclusive)   206,554 (3.7%)   not in top 10   94,555 (6.5%)   61,283 (6.4%)

If you dont follow AFL and live in Melbourne arent you considered a social outcast?

This probably was the main reason post war immigrants chose to drop football.

lol