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+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. I have been saying this for a number of years now. He will eventually move into a CB role at some stage of his career. I believe he may have covered a few games in that position while he was at Villa and he was very effective. He rarely loses an aerial duel and is still an effective tackler, seems a natural to me.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. If we get to Russia. ATM We have been goals up in three different away games - Saudi, Iraq and Thailand. Ange could've closed the game down by playing a 4-3-2-1 late in the game. He chose not to. In all three scenarios, the opposition scored late goals to equalise. We could be 7 points clear of where we are now. I say this because Cahill's goal against the UAE should've been called a foul by him pushing a player out of position before he scored, which would've resulted in a draw. Agree Jedi is a good CB option. He has played some games for Palace in this position. I don't like playing what ifs, we are where we deserve to be currently. Against Iraq we got lucky they missed some golden chances, likewise Thailand where we were incredibly lucky to get a draw and we actually equalised against them after falling 2-1 behind. What ifs they may be, but Decentric's point needs to be made (again) - can't think of many other international-level coaches that would not try and protect a slender lead in the last 20 minutes of a crucial away WC qualifier. It's just ludicrous, and the the Iraq schmozzle really exposed Ange's tactical naivety, and frankly just gave me the 5hits. Even Brazil, Argentina, Germany would not continue to blindly attack when leading 1-0 in an away WC qualifier - and we are definitely not any of those nations. You can't coach a team at international level to just play at one tempo with one game plan, surely that's obvious? Ange rant over. I went to bed furious that night, I thought it was pain-painstakingly obvious persisting with 3atb on that goat paddock when they were tearing up our wings was not the way to go when we're in front with 20 minutes. Everyone could see the goal coming, but apparently not Ange. The issue was not so much three at the back. It was more that it was that the wingbacks weren't told to get right back. Ange seemed to thing that because there were three at the back, the wingbacks should act as out and out wingers (it seemed, basically). When those wingbacks should have operated in the same way they would have done with two central defenders; i.e. go forward and attack but get back. The only difference is there'd be three central defenders, rather than two. So it would be more balanced. But they weren't to be left isolated. Do you have any actual proof of that claim? I have none to dispute it but lets at least try and deal with the facts we have before we start tearing down the national team manager. Anyone who has ever coached at a decent level will tell you, no matter how well you plan or how well you think you've articulated your game plan, at certain times players either don't get it, do their own thing or just have poor games. It happens to every coach. The proof was simply watching it! Also on the infographic that fox displayed it was a 3-2-4-1. And thats certainly how they played Kruse and leckie were high up. In the 2nd match Smith and leckie came back much more to be more of a 3-4-2-1. I would still prefer us to play as a 3-4-1-2 with troisi playing with Rogic up top. Ryan; Sains, jedi , Milligan; leckie, mooy, luongo, smith; irvine; Troisi, Rogic What a team this would be!!
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+x+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. I have been saying this for a number of years now. He will eventually move into a CB role at some stage of his career. I believe he may have covered a few games in that position while he was at Villa and he was very effective. He rarely loses an aerial duel and is still an effective tackler, seems a natural to me. If we can get our back 3 organised as a unit with Italian defensive discipline, our speed shouldn't be much of a concern. The Italian back 3 are all slow but their stance is massive and their shadows are so scary the cut out passing lanes. Our back 3 is still a very hectic, staggered line.
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Iraq host Japan and UAE go to Thailand 5 days after our game. Provided we win, I'd love to see Japan drop points. An attacking Japan is probably best for us and they'd need something in the last match too.
Purely hypothetical but a 3:0 victory for us and a 1:0 loss for Japan will see all tiebreakers even meaning a points system according to bookings will be calculated.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. If we get to Russia. ATM We have been goals up in three different away games - Saudi, Iraq and Thailand. Ange could've closed the game down by playing a 4-3-2-1 late in the game. He chose not to. In all three scenarios, the opposition scored late goals to equalise. We could be 7 points clear of where we are now. I say this because Cahill's goal against the UAE should've been called a foul by him pushing a player out of position before he scored, which would've resulted in a draw. Agree Jedi is a good CB option. He has played some games for Palace in this position. I don't like playing what ifs, we are where we deserve to be currently. Against Iraq we got lucky they missed some golden chances, likewise Thailand where we were incredibly lucky to get a draw and we actually equalised against them after falling 2-1 behind. What ifs they may be, but Decentric's point needs to be made (again) - can't think of many other international-level coaches that would not try and protect a slender lead in the last 20 minutes of a crucial away WC qualifier. It's just ludicrous, and the the Iraq schmozzle really exposed Ange's tactical naivety, and frankly just gave me the 5hits. Even Brazil, Argentina, Germany would not continue to blindly attack when leading 1-0 in an away WC qualifier - and we are definitely not any of those nations. You can't coach a team at international level to just play at one tempo with one game plan, surely that's obvious? Ange rant over. I went to bed furious that night, I thought it was pain-painstakingly obvious persisting with 3atb on that goat paddock when they were tearing up our wings was not the way to go when we're in front with 20 minutes. Everyone could see the goal coming, but apparently not Ange. The issue was not so much three at the back. It was more that it was that the wingbacks weren't told to get right back. Ange seemed to thing that because there were three at the back, the wingbacks should act as out and out wingers (it seemed, basically). When those wingbacks should have operated in the same way they would have done with two central defenders; i.e. go forward and attack but get back. The only difference is there'd be three central defenders, rather than two. So it would be more balanced. But they weren't to be left isolated. Do you have any actual proof of that claim? I have none to dispute it but lets at least try and deal with the facts we have before we start tearing down the national team manager. Anyone who has ever coached at a decent level will tell you, no matter how well you plan or how well you think you've articulated your game plan, at certain times players either don't get it, do their own thing or just have poor games. It happens to every coach. All right I concede it's rough of me to say that in such definitive terms. That's unfair on Ange. Perhaps he did instruct them accordingly and they didn't execute the plans or just had poor games. I do suspect that they weren't instructed to get back, based on what we watched. If not that, then they deviated a long way from the plan and/or are very unfit. The truth of the matter is somewhere between those two things; Ange not telling them to drop back enough and Ange telling them but their not obeying. Whichever, that's very worrying.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. If we get to Russia. ATM We have been goals up in three different away games - Saudi, Iraq and Thailand. Ange could've closed the game down by playing a 4-3-2-1 late in the game. He chose not to. In all three scenarios, the opposition scored late goals to equalise. We could be 7 points clear of where we are now. I say this because Cahill's goal against the UAE should've been called a foul by him pushing a player out of position before he scored, which would've resulted in a draw. Agree Jedi is a good CB option. He has played some games for Palace in this position. I don't like playing what ifs, we are where we deserve to be currently. Against Iraq we got lucky they missed some golden chances, likewise Thailand where we were incredibly lucky to get a draw and we actually equalised against them after falling 2-1 behind. What ifs they may be, but Decentric's point needs to be made (again) - can't think of many other international-level coaches that would not try and protect a slender lead in the last 20 minutes of a crucial away WC qualifier. It's just ludicrous, and the the Iraq schmozzle really exposed Ange's tactical naivety, and frankly just gave me the 5hits. Even Brazil, Argentina, Germany would not continue to blindly attack when leading 1-0 in an away WC qualifier - and we are definitely not any of those nations. You can't coach a team at international level to just play at one tempo with one game plan, surely that's obvious? Ange rant over. I went to bed furious that night, I thought it was pain-painstakingly obvious persisting with 3atb on that goat paddock when they were tearing up our wings was not the way to go when we're in front with 20 minutes. Everyone could see the goal coming, but apparently not Ange. The issue was not so much three at the back. It was more that it was that the wingbacks weren't told to get right back. Ange seemed to thing that because there were three at the back, the wingbacks should act as out and out wingers (it seemed, basically). When those wingbacks should have operated in the same way they would have done with two central defenders; i.e. go forward and attack but get back. The only difference is there'd be three central defenders, rather than two. So it would be more balanced. But they weren't to be left isolated. Do you have any actual proof of that claim? I have none to dispute it but lets at least try and deal with the facts we have before we start tearing down the national team manager. Anyone who has ever coached at a decent level will tell you, no matter how well you plan or how well you think you've articulated your game plan, at certain times players either don't get it, do their own thing or just have poor games. It happens to every coach. The proof was simply watching it! Also on the infographic that fox displayed it was a 3-2-4-1. And thats certainly how they played Kruse and leckie were high up. In the 2nd match Smith and leckie came back much more to be more of a 3-4-2-1. I would still prefer us to play as a 3-4-1-2 with troisi playing with Rogic up top. Ryan; Sains, jedi , Milligan; leckie, mooy, luongo, smith; irvine; Troisi, Rogic What a team this would be!! No, watching it did not at all prove what ange asked of the players. Without being in the training sessions or pre match talk, neither you, nor i or any foxsports pundit can know what was said. I don't disagree that the players did indeed tend to stay a little higher than what i would consider normal in that formation, but that proves nothing. Too many people get caught up just in what 'formation' a team is playing. Theoretically a tactically astute coach and his subsequent team will have variable formations depending on how the game is being played, the way the opposition line up etc. Particularly during the periods of transition. On of the main things that will change your formation IMO is how your team chooses to defend straight after they turn the ball over. While you may line up as 3241 initially, when applying a high press trying to force the turnover that quickly becomes 343 or 325. The opposite of that is the more pragmatic approach which i tend to take in my coaching which is getting behind the ball, regaining our defensive shape and cut out the passing lanes. In that case a 3241 would quickly become 541
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJedinak needs to drop into the defence in Russia. Our midfield is in top form and I'd like to see Amini, Luongo, Irvine, Mooy and Rogic play together. It'd be too risky to experiment against Saudi. Apparently Jeggo has picked up and injury. If we get to Russia. ATM We have been goals up in three different away games - Saudi, Iraq and Thailand. Ange could've closed the game down by playing a 4-3-2-1 late in the game. He chose not to. In all three scenarios, the opposition scored late goals to equalise. We could be 7 points clear of where we are now. I say this because Cahill's goal against the UAE should've been called a foul by him pushing a player out of position before he scored, which would've resulted in a draw. Agree Jedi is a good CB option. He has played some games for Palace in this position. I don't like playing what ifs, we are where we deserve to be currently. Against Iraq we got lucky they missed some golden chances, likewise Thailand where we were incredibly lucky to get a draw and we actually equalised against them after falling 2-1 behind. What ifs they may be, but Decentric's point needs to be made (again) - can't think of many other international-level coaches that would not try and protect a slender lead in the last 20 minutes of a crucial away WC qualifier. It's just ludicrous, and the the Iraq schmozzle really exposed Ange's tactical naivety, and frankly just gave me the 5hits. Even Brazil, Argentina, Germany would not continue to blindly attack when leading 1-0 in an away WC qualifier - and we are definitely not any of those nations. You can't coach a team at international level to just play at one tempo with one game plan, surely that's obvious? Ange rant over. I went to bed furious that night, I thought it was pain-painstakingly obvious persisting with 3atb on that goat paddock when they were tearing up our wings was not the way to go when we're in front with 20 minutes. Everyone could see the goal coming, but apparently not Ange. The issue was not so much three at the back. It was more that it was that the wingbacks weren't told to get right back. Ange seemed to thing that because there were three at the back, the wingbacks should act as out and out wingers (it seemed, basically). When those wingbacks should have operated in the same way they would have done with two central defenders; i.e. go forward and attack but get back. The only difference is there'd be three central defenders, rather than two. So it would be more balanced. But they weren't to be left isolated. Do you have any actual proof of that claim? I have none to dispute it but lets at least try and deal with the facts we have before we start tearing down the national team manager. Anyone who has ever coached at a decent level will tell you, no matter how well you plan or how well you think you've articulated your game plan, at certain times players either don't get it, do their own thing or just have poor games. It happens to every coach. All right I concede it's rough of me to say that in such definitive terms. That's unfair on Ange. Perhaps he did instruct them accordingly and they didn't execute the plans or just had poor games. I do suspect that they weren't instructed to get back, based on what we watched. If not that, then they deviated a long way from the plan and/or are very unfit. The truth of the matter is somewhere between those two things; Ange not telling them to drop back enough and Ange telling them but their not obeying. Whichever, that's very worrying. I don't disagree with you in that i think ange may very well have told them to stay up and press as that tends to be his style. My argument was merely that neither of us can know what for certain.
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Paul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clashSocceroos legend Paul Wade says Tom Rogic can save Australia's World Cup campaign on Thursday and named the Canberran an international captain-in-waiting. The Socceroos host Saudi Arabia in a must-win clash at the Adelaide Oval, with coach Ange Postecoglou expected to start Rogic after a stellar European campaign with Scottish powerhouse Celtic.  Paul Wade names Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial their World Cup clash. Photo: Simon SchluterWade tipped Rogic and Manchester City-loaned midfielder Aaron Mooy to prove the difference in Adelaide with the duo full of confidence after a Scottish Cup crown and English Premier League promotion respectively.  Tom Rogic in action for Australia against Jordan in a World Cup qualifier. Photo: Cameron Spencer"Tom is on fire and coming in with just as much confidence as Aaron Mooy, to do the things that those two have done this season - wow," Wade said. "Tom brings absolute class, he's comfortable under pressure and in the heat of battle we all play at 100 miles an hour, but if you want to take the steam out of the game and add some class, he's your man. "He handles pressure well, anyone who can handle the pressure of the Scottish Premier League I'm sure can handle Saudi Arabia in Adelaide with everyone supporting you. "Tom is just as cool as a cucumber and when you add Aaron Mooy to the midfield I have no doubt in the world we can dictate the game. "If those two don't produce man of the match performances it will only be because they've been marked out of the game by very good players." Wade made 84 appearances for Australia as one of the Socceroos longest serving captains and named 24-year-old Rogic a certainty to one day pull on the skipper's arm band. "Absolutely, no doubt. He'll have to put in a few more years yet because it's all right being a cool cat but you've got to have the experience," Wade said. "You've got to know pressure situations and not only deal with them yourself but have an influence on the team and only experience can provide that." The third-placed Socceroos are vying for the all-important second spot on the Asian ladder to secure qualification for Russia 2018. Australia can still qualify from third but face a much tougher task where they'll need to beat an Asian and an American side in a home-and-away series. "I'd like to go in through the front door but of course if we had to I still wouldn't mind still sneaking in the back," Wade said. "If we go that way it's a good money spinner through advertising but we'd probably end up playing America and that would be a contest, let me tell you." Wade said the Socceroos will carry the weight of a nation on Thursday night but remains confident Australia will feature in Russia next year. "We have high expectations, everybody might say let's not expect miracles but the truth is we do. If I'm the player I would consider this win important - but not the end of the world," Wade said. "If players go in thinking 'it's all over if we lose' we're all in trouble because they won't play Ange's style and as supporters we don't need the stress of going through the back door. "With the quality we've got, two guys in the midfield who are absolutely on fire and you throw in our other talent, and I think we'll come out on top. "I wouldn't put my house and car on it but I've got my dollar on it."
Paul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clash
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Rogic and Mooy don't seem to be captain or talker types.
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It's always tough to make predictions.
Irvine may have potential as he would have somewhat of a leadership role and responsibility at his present club being a record signing. There would perhaps be someone in between.
I'm still not that keen on Sainsbury, who has been named earlier, and hope a better player come through in his position.
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+xIt's always tough to make predictions.Irvine may have potential as he would have somewhat of a leadership role and responsibility at his present club being a record signing. There would perhaps be someone in between.I'm still not that keen on Sainsbury, who has been named earlier, and hope a better player come through in his position. I feel we've got a group of introverts. None of them seem to be taking initiative and haven't realised their newbie tag has expired. Leckie, Luongo, Mooy, Sainsbury and Smith aren't our youth anymore.
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I think the main problem isn't the fact that our players are mildly autistic. They're just shit.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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Personally I'd be picking Sains as next captain, assuming at the time he's playing at the highest level.
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+xPersonally I'd be picking Sains as next captain, assuming at the time he's playing at the highest level. He would seem the logical choice, and he's a certain starter for many years to come, all things being equal.
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+xPersonally I'd be picking Sains as next captain, assuming at the time he's playing at the highest level. He seems like he will be Jedi and MiIligan's successor. Moreover, he plays in a very good position to organise teammates.
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+xPaul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clash I think Sainsbury is likely to be the next captain.
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It seems Wade was answering a question and really had no choice but to say that he thought Rogic could become captain sometime in the future. Notice though he did say it would have to be in a few years so not a massive endorsement.
The captain needs to be a starter in every match and I am not sure who will be in that position after the World Cup or failure to qualify. Jedinak will be captain until at least then and quite possibly until the next Asian Cup. Sainsbury is probably one of the most likely to be playing every game but I am not sure he is captain material.
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+x+xPaul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clash I think Sainsbury is likely to be the next captain. What about Bailey Wright? - he has been captain before at his various clubs
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Sainsbury is very intelligent and more of an extrovert than the likes of Mooy and Rogic. It'll be either Sains or Irvine for next captain.
Probably Sains as he (I gather) is very popular and well liked among the group.
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+x+x+xPaul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clash I think Sainsbury is likely to be the next captain. What about Bailey Wright? - he has been captain before at his various clubs Perhaps but I hope we find some better CBs than him in the next couple of years. If Good gets fit, Spiranovic finds a better club or a couple of younger players emerge he could easily be relegated to a fringe player.
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+x+x+x+xPaul Wade backs Tom Rogic as next Socceroos captain ahead of crucial World Cup clash I think Sainsbury is likely to be the next captain. What about Bailey Wright? - he has been captain before at his various clubs Perhaps but I hope we find some better CBs than him in the next couple of years. If Good gets fit, Spiranovic finds a better club or a couple of younger players emerge he could easily be relegated to a fringe player. Wright is pretty slow. He'll need to train sprints and positioning.
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Is the aus brazil game on? Literaly heard nothing about it
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+xIs the aus brazil game on? Literaly heard nothing about it Just saw a brief video from the GO! Twitter account just before but agree, has been largely silent.
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+x+xIs the aus brazil game on? Literaly heard nothing about it Just saw a brief video from the GO! Twitter account just before but agree, has been largely silent. Ran into someone who was going to the Brazil Argie game, I said 'I think we are playing Brazil' - none of us knew if they were or not.
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ABC NewsRadio at lunch time Sports report:
NBA
AFL on tonight
League on tonight
Crucial World Cup qualifier on tonight.
Re the Brazil game, I know I live in Adelaide not Melbourne, but honest to God if it wasn't for reading it on this forum I would literally have no idea it was on. I repeat, I mean that literally.
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Ryan is a good keeper but he's had a pretty bad run of shot stopping. Langerak did well against Iraq but had poor timing for their goal.
A keeper is only good as their defence and hindsight is a beautiful thing. I think Langerak would be the one to play against Japan. He's best 1 on 1 and has decent distribution.
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+xRyan is a good keeper but he's had a pretty bad run of shot stopping. Langerak did well against Iraq but had poor timing for their goal. A keeper is only good as their defence and hindsight is a beautiful thing. I think Langerak would be the one to play against Japan. He's best 1 on 1 and has decent distribution. I thought that second goal was soft from ryan didnt attack the ball early enough and spread himself. As a couple of people have said he doesn't do anything wrong but he never ever makes world class saves that you think 'wow that was a goal'. With Schwarzer it was almost every game or 2nd game that you'd say that. Almost every clear one on one ryan has he concedes. Langerak please
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The table still looks a bit worrying.
Assuming Japan win to Iraq it'll be 19,16,16. Hopefully UAE beat Thailand so they'll be playing for everything in the next game.
JPN-AUS
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KSA-JPN
If we defeat Japan we'll be fine by hosting Thailand on the last day. The main thing is we at least match the KSA result in Dubai. Shall Saudi defeat Japan after we've matched their result on the previous matchday, we'll need to beat Thailand convincingly to jump with GD. H2H sees us the winner.
If we lose in Japan and KSA draw, a very likely scenario, we'll be in a bit if trouble as then KSA must not win their last game. I can't imagine Japan not trying. Their players know they'll need to impress to make the WC 23 and they'd like to end in style no doubt. It's going to be a few more stressful months.
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Win against Japan and Thailand = 22 points and guaranteed qualification. That should be the only aim of the team, all other scenarios should not be considered. The team now plays 4 games which can be used to get them working well together and the performance should improve.
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+x+x+xIs the aus brazil game on? Literaly heard nothing about it Just saw a brief video from the GO! Twitter account just before but agree, has been largely silent. Ran into someone who was going to the Brazil Argie game, I said 'I think we are playing Brazil' - none of us knew if they were or not. Aus plays Brazil next Tuesday at the MCG i think, lets just hope they take it easy on us and beat us by 2 3 goals instead of 5-6 LOL
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