Mate, it may have not be De Vanna who said it and I misremembered, but wasnt the allegation that Kerr took photos of a young player in the shower?... Not trying to start a war against her.

Dont know about you Enzo but Im a "person of colour" with my golden olive skin tones. hAHAHAHAAHYAHAHAAHAAH

That is the typical pseudo intellectual  response given by the left to explain away their hypocrisy. They often use fancy words like ‘contextual’ and ‘intersectionality’ to legitimise their stupid ideas. Infuriating isn’t it?

The people who make these rules never imagine they could apply to a case where the recipient of the abuse is white...

Well its frustrating because the Socceroos are fucking angels compared to most australian sports people.... none of em are banging their team mates wives/fucking their ACTUAL team mates/ other teams and going out getting drunk and vomiting in cabs and refusing to pay...how hard is it to be just be a decent person?

The worse thing I think we had was Mooy was caught out after Huddersfield won promotion and he was having a few cheeky ciggies outside....

Are they in the fucking KIA ad though??? course not...

That was a Red Card, and the ref fucked up

"Confidence in London police crumbles as Met officer who admitted to serial rapes awaits sentencing

Critics say culture of misogyny within Metropolitan Police Service has helped shield sexual predators on force" - CBC News 

Obviously no suggestion of sexual aggression by cop in Kerr's case, but London cops are notoriously misogynistic, racist and homophobic, and Kerr is a gay woman of colour. Not only that but a rich and famous one. We don't yet know who said or did what first but if one of the many bad apple London cops turned up to deal with Sam well use your imagination. A lot of pre-judging of Kerr going on which in itself smells of misogyny and homophobia and a dose of tall poppy syndrome thrown in.

If you call your colleague mate fag when it's just you and him in the room that's one thing but there's a very good reason why abusive language whether in jest or not gets zero tolerance in the modern workforce. "Thought police"? Gimme a break.

You just proved my point. Thanks.

Totally irrelevant. If she called the copper a bastard it all ends there but she had to throw the racist (at least to her) slur "white" in there and is now doubling down saying she never called the cop a  bastard.... hahahaha what a fool.

What I see is those who never thought that one of their own could make mysandrist racist statements pulling every lever, back flip and convoluted "reasoning" they can come up with to make Kerr the victim and flip the facts on their head.

If Kerr was the victim then as someone with money and power far above most men let alone most women she could easily have lodged a complaint against the police.  She's had plenty of time to do it, and I'm sure the same powers doing their utmost to  flip facts so she's the victim would have jumped at the chance to use the white privilege/racism/mysogyny narrative on the media or initiate another political movement.  I'd guess she hasn't complained formally because its all been recorded.

Is the "modern workforce" the same as the "modern audience"?

It follows a familiar pattern.

Before revealing their agenda, these people define the meanings of words or phrases crucial to their agenda.  Its done in seemingly innocuous way.  If you miss that, you've agreed to the parameters of the agenda-you don't know it yet, but they've just won.

Here's an example of that on another forum about the Kerr issue:

If the police officer was offended, then it is racist.

Based on your definition of racism. My definition, and that of many scholars is different.

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/9w0w7vz3?p=61

See how that works? 

My definition...

The entire argument falls apart when you say : " Nope.  Nah.  I don't agree with your made-up definition. Now what?"

Take away the made up meanings and their arguments and it all collapses like house of cards.

Its sophistry, nothing less, nothing more.

Does anyone really care? You’re all banging on. She doesn’t even play for Australia at the moment. Australian captain? Ask cately that. You all know what she said wouldn’t hurt a fly and you all know it’s a double standard. If she gets convicted everyone loses. You’re all so boring. 

I don’t think many care about your opinion.

Matildas are a defacto pride event now, so you can't criticise anything including blatant wrongdoing without "the community" jumping on.

I don't agree with the whole principle of that - but don't disagree about the defacto pride event part. I think they have become accepted by as much of the global Aussie sports following community as we are going to get any team in this sport and that makes them both walking headlines, and potential victims for their fans to support against injustice when seen as such.

I think any of the Matildas caught drink driving would be 'forgiven' but not exonerated by public court.

This goes far beyond that stuff and beyond the Matildas - it is a personal issue with Kerr and it bites into long held beliefs of counter-unfairness where any day any female on TV can say "He looks alright - wouldn't mind a bit of that" but reverse the genders and you're gone. When a white person is rightly called out and castigated for calling someone a black bastard, but it does not work in reverse I do not care what definitions exist to protect one and not the other - it is just wrong and unfair and panders to dickheads with dangerous agendas who flame up the "it's alright for them to say something but we're not allowed to" factions.

It does not take laws for people to understand fairness and equity - the laws are for the people who understand and do it regardless. Without prejudging, Kerr appears to have done that on the little we have seen so far and I can't see the greater community protecting her from whatever process and backlash follows.

I hope the Matildas are kept totally clear of this and protected as the great thing they are for Aussie sport and football.

Just seeing how this thread has been derailed by our discussion alone suggests they cannot be immune to it though.

How good are the Young Matildas going! Chinese Taipei at I think 7pm AEDT tonight.

Semi-final locked in! 🔐

🇦🇺 v 🇯🇵 13.03.24 - 10pm AEDT
📺💻📱: Australia's games will be shown on 10Play

#GoAustralia #U20WAC

We beat Uzbekistan 2-0.
South Korea beat Uzbekistan 13-0.
North Korea beat Japan 1-0.
Japan now faces us instead of South Korea.

If I had my tin hat on...

That aside, North Korea and South Korea face off tomorrow too.

Dont worry mate captain wet paper towel is jumping to the rescue.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/10/craig-foster-apologises-to-sam-kerr-after-arguing-her-alleged-remark-to-uk-police-officer-was-racist

Edit: Removed link that mono had posted but I'd not seen.

South Park nailing it as usual. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7a0cwyDDw

Mind you I used to say 'faggot' years ago but wouldn't do it now.

My white privilege thanks you for the courtesy :P

To be fair to Foster he had the balls to change his stance and admit it publicly. I'm not saying he was right or wrong but it shows the bloke has the integrity to put his hand up and change his stance rather than doubling down which so many other people do.

I've more respect for him now than I did have just for this alone.

He also got it wrong with Ange & also admitted that, so he has form.
He's also done a lot of good work with refugees.

Matildas just sold out Adelaide oval (hate those stupid AFL ovals) in less than 1 hour.

I dont think he actually DID get it wrong with Ange. The way he attacked him sure, it was a little vindictive and shitty but he was right to ask the questions he did...  

Yeah mate, that is a fair call... I dont agree one little iota with what he is saying but valid point that he at least had the cojones to retract his criticism. 

Nah mate.  Don't agree.  What he did was weak as piss.  He caved under the pressure to retract his criticism.

 His justification to change his stance boiled down to he didn't "know" what racism was, and once he "learned" what racism was, he knew Kerr's comments couldn't be racist because whites can't be the victims of racism.  Its utter bullshit.

What would have taken real balls was stand up and say: There is zero tolerance for racism, and if Kerr said what is claimed, then she needs to the suffer the consequences.

I persoanlly agree with your opinion Enzo... What I applaud from Fozzie is that he was willing to change his convictions based on what he feels was "new information". Whether that was from a position of believing the new "reality" around racism or because he realised that pilling on to a dopey sportsperson without any moral fibre was doing more harm than good I dont know but it still takes cojones to be a public figure and come out and say "what I said yesterday was wrong" Thats all.

I understand that general principle of changing one's mind when new information comes through, but that's only valid if the information isn't bullshit.

In this case the new "information" is bullshit.  Real balls would have been to reject the new information as bullshit- but oh what a shit storm that would create, wouldn't it?  So he backed down instead.

Its disappointing because Foster played in the NSL, he did have close interactions with us "wogs", did he never witness any whites as victims of racism? How is that possible FFS the game he played was called wogball. It would take him one phone call to one of the white "wogs" he played with to learn if it is true that whites can't suffer racism.