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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 1:15 PM
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I understand that general principle of changing one's mind when new information comes through, but that's only valid if the information isn't bullshit.

In this case the new "information" is bullshit.  Real balls would have been to reject the new information as bullshit- but oh what a shit storm that would create, wouldn't it?  So he backed down instead.

Its disappointing because Foster played in the NSL, he did have close interactions with us "wogs", did he never witness any whites as victims of racism? How is that possible FFS the game he played was called wogball. It would take him one phone call to one of the white "wogs" he played with to learn if it is true that whites can't suffer racism.








I agree that the new information is bullshit (no argument here) but to him it obviously isnt thats my point... 


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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 1:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Mar 2024 12:26 PM

I understand that general principle of changing one's mind when new information comes through, but that's only valid if the information isn't bullshit.

In this case the new "information" is bullshit.  Real balls would have been to reject the new information as bullshit- but oh what a shit storm that would create, wouldn't it?  So he backed down instead.

It’s disappointing because Foster played in the NSL, he did have close interactions with us "wogs", did he never witness any whites as victims of racism? How is that possible FFS the game he played was called wogball. It would take him one phone call to one of the white "wogs" he played with to learn if it is true that whites can't suffer racism.

I think the point here is that is it racist or offensive to be called “white”? For me personally I’m not offended, but you may be. I would argue that the majority of white people would not be offended or consider it racist to be called “white”. It has no history or connections with anything derogatory or offensive apart from being more easily sunburnt,  a movie about not being able to jump, not being good at dancing, or having  a smaller……








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ShanghaiKman - 13 Mar 2024 2:22 PM
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I think the point here is that is it racist or offensive to be called “white”? For me personally I’m not offended, but you may be. I would argue that the majority of white people would not be offended or consider it racist to be called “white”. It has no history or connections with anything derogatory or offensive apart from being more easily sunburnt,  a movie about not being able to jump, not being good at dancing, or having  a smaller……

Not the point if it is used in a derogatory way or if indeed anyone "white" is offended or not Shanghai. Fact of the matter is that the term "white" was used as a way of designating the police person was NOT black or brown or yellow or whatever....  

Racism is the inherent and displayed belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. Saying Asians are good at math for example is racism, despite the implied compliment.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Mar 2024 1:56 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 1:15 PM
I agree that the new information is bullshit (no argument here) but to him it obviously isnt thats my point... 


How can he possibly claim  that given his history of playing "wogball"  and then his deep history of defending the marginalization of the game and the millions of wogs who kept it alive?  Its inconceivable.



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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 7:36 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Mar 2024 1:56 PM

How can he possibly claim  that given his history of playing "wogball"  and then his deep history of defending the marginalization of the game and the millions of wogs who kept it alive?  Its inconceivable.



correct, Fozzie realised this could have omlette in his face big time talking out so early.
He's playing street wogball alright and backed off like most new car salesmen


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ShanghaiKman - 13 Mar 2024 2:22 PM
I think the point here is that is it racist or offensive to be called “white”? For me personally I’m not offended, but you may be. I would argue that the majority of white people would not be offended or consider it racist to be called “white”. It has no history or connections with anything derogatory or offensive apart from being more easily sunburnt,  a movie about not being able to jump, not being good at dancing, or having  a smaller…



She didn't simply say "white".  

"Stupid white bastard" is the allegation.

As for the history or connections of being white, "white" does not equal Anglo Celtic.   White Europeans are diverse historically, culturally, linguistically, genetically.   Some were oppressors.  Others were oppressed.  Some conquered, others were conquered. Some kept slaves, others were enslaved.  Some murdered millions, others were murdered.

The idea that whites can't be victims of racism is one if, not the, stupidist things I've heard. 



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Young Matildas is 1-1 with Japan in semi final Boston ten play. Why it's not promoted more I don't know 
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judging by this, Japan might soon be technically as far ahead as the matildas as their male side is ahead of of the socceroos...
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The young Matildas were outplayed. Couldn't string 2 passes, couldn't keep the ball. Absolutely painful to watch. This is like watching the Socceroos vs Bangladesh. This is U20 level already they re not that young why is the difference of level  so big?  This is like watching some amateur blonde girls running around with no football skills.

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mark_000au - 13 Mar 2024 10:55 PM
The young Matildas were outplayed. Couldn't string 2 passes, couldn't keep the ball. Absolutely painful to watch. This is like watching the Socceroos vs Bangladesh. This is U20 level already they re not that young why is the difference of level  so big?  This is like watching some amateur blonde girls running around with no football skills.

It was quite one sided

Wonder what they are doing different to us? Fully pro female division? Female academies? Female u20s for j league clubs?
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grazorblade - 13 Mar 2024 10:46 PM
judging by this, Japan might soon be technically as far ahead as the matildas as their male side is ahead of of the socceroos...

They did beat Spain 4-0 and were always one of the favourites for the World Cup before losing to Sweden. It's possible they already are. 
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banzai - 13 Mar 2024 11:52 PM
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They did beat Spain 4-0 and were always one of the favourites for the World Cup before losing to Sweden. It's possible they already are. 

Well on the upside it is nice to have an afc powerhouse to practice against
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Japan had 42 shots, 18 on target whilst Australia only 1 shot for their only goal for the whole game to win 5-1.

Pure domination , I wonder if we an Australian team men or women will ever beat Japan again because it might be awhile till we see one. 
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The skill disparity was quite clear to see.

We played our traditional strong, powerful football and they played like professional footballers. Their passing was smooth and accurate when it did not go astray, while we did some very nice things for moments then gave the ball away after any good work.

It wasn't even pressure as such - we just could not pass straight a lot of the time.

Still very much a developing game at this age group for us.

Can we turn it round for the third place playoff against South Korea?

Shame we went down 1-5. The girls were quite shattered when the score line blew out from the 1-1 we had struggled to hold so long. The 1-2 goal was a bastard - headed onto one of our defenders at close range to the keeper and an otherwise handled shot became a goal.

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grazorblade - 13 Mar 2024 11:51 PM
mark_000au - 13 Mar 2024 10:55 PM

It was quite one sided

Wonder what they are doing different to us? Fully pro female division? Female academies? Female u20s for j league clubs?

*Basic first touch
*Pass & move (create a triangle)
*Pressing & Anti pressing
*Winning 2nd ball
*Positioning of the players without the ball
*One touch football
*Winning the ball back after losing ball possession 

The young Matildas today not only lacking all these basic skills but some of  them are out of shape. 




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mark_000au - 14 Mar 2024 12:20 AM
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*Basic first touch
*Pass & move (create a triangle)
*Pressing & Anti pressing
*Winning 2nd ball
*Positioning of the players without the ball
*One touch football
*Winning the ball back after losing ball possession 

The young Matildas today not only lacking all these basic skills but some of  them are out of shape. 




I meant what are they doing differently to develop those skills

Is it better youth coaching, better pathways, female academies, full time female teams, u20 teams etc
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To answer my own question looks like they have a pro league and we dont
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WE_League
They also have 2 semi pro leagues
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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 8:03 PM




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She didn't simply say "white".  

"Stupid white bastard" is the allegation.

As for the history or connections of being white, "white" does not equal Anglo Celtic.   White Europeans are diverse historically, culturally, linguistically, genetically.   Some were oppressors.  Others were oppressed.  Some conquered, others were conquered. Some kept slaves, others were enslaved.  Some murdered millions, others were murdered.

The idea that whites can't be victims of racism is one if, not the, stupidist things I've heard. 



Those oppressed or murdered was not only because they were white, it was because generally they were done by other white people. These were done because of their religion or their race or different ideologies, not because of the colour of their skin.
The Blacks were oppressed because they were black.

HUGE Difference.

During Australia 'No Black immigration policy', when British, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Lebanese flooded this country, no blacks were allowed.
Blacks were not allowed to vote, to swim in the same swimming pools, go to the same bars as white people.

In America another country with huge immigration, they had segregation in Schools, universities, toilets, public transport because of the colour of their skin. 
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turns out she spent the night in the slammer for it... I understand she might have been embarrassed but she surely had to let someone at the FA know.
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Those oppressed or murdered was not only because they were white, it was because generally they were done by other white people. These were done because of their religion or their race or different ideologies, not because of the colour of their skin.
The Blacks were oppressed because they were black.

HUGE Difference.

During Australia 'No Black immigration policy', when British, Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Lebanese flooded this country, no blacks were allowed.
Blacks were not allowed to vote, to swim in the same swimming pools, go to the same bars as white people.

In America another country with huge immigration, they had segregation in Schools, universities, toilets, public transport because of the colour of their skin. 

Blacks enslaved and oppressed other blacks for centuries, just as whites did to other whites. They did it because one group of blacks was more powerful than the other group of blacks, same as the Europans oppressing other Europeans (and Asians against other Asians)..   The Anglos/French/Spanish/Belgian whites oppressed blacks because they were technologically inferior, and they did it with the help of other blacks! Their skin color was irrrelevant.   Racism is universal.

There never has been a No Black Immigration Policy.  There was The White Australia Policy.  In actual fact the aim of the law was to limit non-white (particularly Asian) immigration to Australia, to help keep Australia ‘British’. (https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/immigration-and-citizenship/immigration-restriction-act-1901).

When the Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Lebanese flooded this country, they were never treated equally as British immigrants until decades later.  Dagoes. wops, wogs, greasers, chinks.  They also had absolutely nothing to do with black slavery, oppression  and government policy.







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jas88 - 14 Mar 2024 8:43 AM
turns out she spent the night in the slammer for it... I understand she might have been embarrassed but she surely had to let someone at the FA know.

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Blacks enslaved and oppressed other blacks for centuries, just as whites did to other whites. They did it because one group of blacks was more powerful than the other group of blacks, same as the Europans oppressing other Europeans (and Asians against other Asians)..   The Anglos/French/Spanish/Belgian whites oppressed blacks because they were technologically inferior, and they did it with the help of other blacks! Their skin color was irrrelevant.   Racism is universal.

There never has been a No Black Immigration Policy.  There was The White Australia Policy.  In actual fact the aim of the law was to limit non-white (particularly Asian) immigration to Australia, to help keep Australia ‘British’. (https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/immigration-and-citizenship/immigration-restriction-act-1901).

When the Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Lebanese flooded this country, they were never treated equally as British immigrants until decades later.  Dagoes. wops, wogs, greasers, chinks.  They also had absolutely nothing to do with black slavery, oppression  and government policy.

You seem pretty worked up about this.

What would you like to see happen to Kerr?

(a) Fine?
(b) Jail?
(c) Stripped of the captaincy?
(d) Banned from the team?
(e) all lefty wokies to admit they've created a giant monster that's come back to bite them in the arse?
(f) complete destruction of western society and a ground up rebuild to occur based on conservative and right wing philosophy?
(g) All of the above

or

(h) Slap on the wrist?
(i) Dismissal of charges?

Now don't be shy. Balls in your court fella.


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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Mar 2024 8:57 AM
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Blacks enslaved and oppressed other blacks for centuries, just as whites did to other whites. They did it because one group of blacks was more powerful than the other group of blacks, same as the Europans oppressing other Europeans (and Asians against other Asians)..   The Anglos/French/Spanish/Belgian whites oppressed blacks because they were technologically inferior, and they did it with the help of other blacks! Their skin color was irrrelevant.   Racism is universal.

There never has been a No Black Immigration Policy.  There was The White Australia Policy.  In actual fact the aim of the law was to limit non-white (particularly Asian) immigration to Australia, to help keep Australia ‘British’. (https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/immigration-and-citizenship/immigration-restriction-act-1901).

When the Greeks, Italians, Chinese, Lebanese flooded this country, they were never treated equally as British immigrants until decades later.  Dagoes. wops, wogs, greasers, chinks.  They also had absolutely nothing to do with black slavery, oppression  and government policy.







Wasnt till 1975 and Whitlam's Racial Descrimination Act were it became illegal to:

It is against the law to discriminate in areas such as:

  • Employment (section 15) - e.g. when seeking employment, training, promotion, equal pay or conditions of employment;
  • Land, housing or accommodation (section 12) - e.g. when buying a house or when renting;
  • Provision of goods and services (section 13) - e.g. when buying something, applying for credit, using banks, seeking assistance from government departments, lawyers, doctors and hospitals, or attending restaurants, pubs, entertainment venues;
  • Access to places and facilities for use by the public (section 11) - e.g. when trying to use parks, libraries, government offices, hotels, places of worship, entertainment centres, hire cars;
  • Advertising (section 16) - e.g. advertising for a job stating that people from a certain ethnic group cannot apply;
  • Joining a trade union (section 14).

The first gen migrants in my family  still raise a toast to Whitlam when they are on the piss, regardless of their political leanings. That man made them feel welcome in this country for the first time ever. 
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Munrubenmuz - 14 Mar 2024 9:17 AM
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You seem pretty worked up about this.

What would you like to see happen to Kerr?

(a) Fine?
(b) Jail?
(c) Stripped of the captaincy?
(d) Banned from the team?
(e) all lefty wokies to admit they've created a giant monster that's come back to bite them in the arse?
(f) complete destruction of western society and a ground up rebuild to occur based on conservative and right wing philosophy?
(g) All of the above

or

(h) Slap on the wrist?
(i) Dismissal of charges?

Now don't be shy. Balls in your court fella.

I think a jail term is ridiculous but it IS British law mate so whats good for one type of racism should also apply to another... 

A fine and a ban from playing for a while would make sense to me. She cant be stripped of the captaincy when she isnt the captain and as for endorsements and contracts with sponsors thats up to them I suppose, if they are happy to champion the "white is evil" cause then they wont do a thing about it. If she is found guilty Chelsea will drop her like a hot potato I predict... and she may have trouble finding another club in England ... they tend to take this sort of thing seriously over there.
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jas88 - 14 Mar 2024 8:43 AM
turns out she spent the night in the slammer for it... I understand she might have been embarrassed but she surely had to let someone at the FA know.

She was launching her very expensive private academy at the same time so probably made financial sense not to draw attention to the type of behaviour rich mummies and daddies where paying for their little darlings to be coached by.
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Munrubenmuz - 14 Mar 2024 9:17 AM

I think a jail term is ridiculous but it IS British law mate so whats good for one type of racism should also apply to another... 

A fine and a ban from playing for a while would make sense to me. She cant be stripped of the captaincy when she isnt the captain and as for endorsements and contracts with sponsors thats up to them I suppose, if they are happy to champion the "white is evil" cause then they wont do a thing about it. If she is found guilty Chelsea will drop her like a hot potato I predict... and she may have trouble finding another club in England ... they tend to take this sort of thing seriously over there.

She's the presumptive captain of Australia when she returns.

I feel like this Kerr thing is like a lightning rod for the 'good for goose, good for the gander' people to 'get one back' on the 'libtards' and 'feminazis' and they're loving every minute of it.


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Enzo Bearzot - 14 Mar 2024 8:57 AM
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There never has been a No Black Immigration Policy.  There was The White Australia Policy.   


This is laughable. I mean it's easily 'proven' by the fact of our giant African intake post WW1 and post WW2 and their long history of and large numbers of immigrants reaching these shores during those times.

Just because something isn't written down doesn't mean it didn't exist.

I mean get your hand off it.

Of course there was no 'no black policy' because the whole idea of letting 'blacks' in was so ridiculous there was no point having a policy for it. Having a 'no black policy' was equivalent to having a 'no unicorn policy'.



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Munrubenmuz - 14 Mar 2024 11:14 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 14 Mar 2024 9:57 AM

She's the presumptive captain of Australia when she returns.

I feel like this Kerr thing is like a lightning rod for the 'good for goose, good for the gander' people to 'get one back' on the 'libtards' and 'feminazis' and they're loving every minute of it.

I think the libtards and the feminazis need to simmer down and not take every single incident as some sort of social crusade. A tiny vocal shit minority on the internet is NOT reflective of society. A crime is a crime, we all live under the same laws... 

As for being the "presumtive captain" I dont follow closely enough but I thought Steph Catley has been captain, admirably, for quite a while.
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Enzo Bearzot - 13 Mar 2024 1:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 13 Mar 2024 12:26 PM

I understand that general principle of changing one's mind when new information comes through, but that's only valid if the information isn't bullshit.

You might 'understand it' but in your 10 years on this forum I've never once seen you put your hand up and say 'yeah, this isn't actually black and white, it's a bit more nuanced than I thought' (no reference to this argument intended) let alone completing a 180 on your initial stance.

Never.


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Munrubenmuz - 14 Mar 2024 11:19 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 14 Mar 2024 8:57 AM

This is laughable. I mean it's easily 'proven' by the fact of our giant African intake post WW1 and post WW2.

Just because something isn't written down doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Of course there was no 'no black policy' because the whole idea of letting 'blacks' in was so ridiculous there was no point having a policy for it. Having a 'no black policy' was equivalent to having a 'no unicorn policy'.

ummm what? Dude one of the ifrst national acts post federation was the Immigration Restriction act brought about to align us with South Africa and other British colonial practices at the time... 

https://humanrights.gov.au/our-work/projects/african-australians-project-australias-migration-policies#:~:text=Members%20of%20the%20African%20diaspora,British%20(Pybus%2C%202006).

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