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I think we will make a lot of arsenal fans happy. Maybe not the board, he makes them to much money for buying low and selling high. Hence why he has lasted. This is why i find the whole ange leaving thing so strange. So many coaches dream of being at the world cup. Maybe he doing the right thing for australian football in his protest. I can't see in the future. It is odd on the surface to flow away your dream for a political move.
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Henk ten cate. Assistant at barca and chelsea snd managed ajax, was considered for the dutch job before they went with dick advocaat. Currently in uae i think
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If the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place.
Ideally someone like Gombau if he didnt take over the WSW gig or Milicic if he wanted to take over too, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified.
But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that.
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If Ange is to leave, we need to try and sign some high profile name for a year so the players will respect him and hopefully allow him put his stamp on the team. Problem is, i don't know who would actually want to join.
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City Sam
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+xIf the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place. Ideally someone like Gombau or Milicic if he wanted to take over, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified. But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that. Depends on whether they want to hire a person to be manager for the next cycle aswell, i see no issue hiring a more pragmatic manager just for the upcoming world cup and then look for a proper replacement afterwards. Because lets be honest, we aren't exactly the best at the high possession, pressing game so if we are just looking for someone to do well in the world cup, then Arnold or Muscat could be alright. I'd rather it not be Muscat though, ever.
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+x+xIf the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place. Ideally someone like Gombau or Milicic if he wanted to take over, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified. But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that. Depends on whether they want to hire a person to be manager for the next cycle aswell, i see no issue hiring a more pragmatic manager just for the upcoming world cup and then look for a proper replacement afterwards. Because lets be honest, we aren't exactly the best at the high possession, pressing game so if we are just looking for someone to do well in the world cup, then Arnold or Muscat could be alright. I'd rather it not be Muscat though, ever. If we are serious about developing a playing style that the next gen of players can take on, then sticking to this philosophy is a must. There is a reason why Ange is also in the technical heart of the youth teams, where they play the same way as the senior team he wants to imprint an identity which hopefully we lead to future success at the international stage. Going back to Arnie or selecting Musky would mean a change of technical direction, for me it doesn't make sense that we should change to a more reactive style in a world cup year what purpose does it lead to us in the long term when the youth teams are taught a way of playing?
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City Sam
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+x+x+xIf the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place. Ideally someone like Gombau or Milicic if he wanted to take over, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified. But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that. Depends on whether they want to hire a person to be manager for the next cycle aswell, i see no issue hiring a more pragmatic manager just for the upcoming world cup and then look for a proper replacement afterwards. Because lets be honest, we aren't exactly the best at the high possession, pressing game so if we are just looking for someone to do well in the world cup, then Arnold or Muscat could be alright. I'd rather it not be Muscat though, ever. If we are serious about developing a playing style that the next gen of players can take on, then sticking to this philosophy is a must. There is a reason why Ange is also in the technical heart of the youth teams, where they play the same way as the senior team he wants to imprint an identity which hopefully we lead to future success at the international stage. Going back to Arnie or selecting Musky would mean a change of technical direction, for me it doesn't make sense that we should change to a more reactive style in a world cup year what purpose does it lead to us in the long term? The same purpose as playing a proactive style for a single tournament, which on the grand scheme of things will change absolutely nothing. We have our squad for this world cup, we aren't going to be bringing in the youth to this side, it is going to be a few games where we will try and get a few good results and leave Russia respectable. Then we go and find ourselves a proper replacement. Hiring Arnie won't change how our youth teams will play, the national curriculum and everything else, it is purely a short term thing. I'd also like to add even if we hire a proactive manager they'll still play incredibly different to Ange and this voodoo formation we have played for a year, not to mention i don't think us playing a bit more cautious and direct these past 4 matches has destroyed the national team curriculum and youth setup in this country either. I'd rather Ange to stay and see out this world cup as this is his squad but if he were to go, i can live with being a bit more pragmatic for a few games. Which also doesn't mean stick 10 people behind the ball and not complete a pass.
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I would see if that dutch coach that coached Saudi Arabia through the qualifiers wanted the job.
Getting Saudi to the world cup is an achievement in itself, he got them very organised and now has the experience we need for dealing with asian teams and the logistics required through the next set of qualifiers.
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Rijkaard has retired from what i heard. I think he was last seen at some usa youth academy.
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What would people think of Klinsman? I think he could do a good job to be honest and fits the philosophy.
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+xI would see if that dutch coach that coached Saudi Arabia through the qualifiers wanted the job. Getting Saudi to the world cup is an achievement in itself, he got them very organised and now has the experience we need for dealing with asian teams and the logistics required through the next set of qualifiers. Bert van Marwijk would have to be on anyone's list...
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+x+x+x+xIf the FFA want to keep the attacking football philosophy going then going for a Musky or Arnold will be the wrong choices, as much as they can coach in their own ways they will change the philosophy than Ange has put in place. Ideally someone like Gombau or Milicic if he wanted to take over, if the FFA had the money i would try and bring in someone like a Marcelo Bielsa, Frank Rijkaard etc or a un-known attacking coach that is well scouted and identified. But all of this depends on the FFA mandate, do they have a philosophy mandate on the style of play otherwise Arnie or Musky would wrong choices based on that. Depends on whether they want to hire a person to be manager for the next cycle aswell, i see no issue hiring a more pragmatic manager just for the upcoming world cup and then look for a proper replacement afterwards. Because lets be honest, we aren't exactly the best at the high possession, pressing game so if we are just looking for someone to do well in the world cup, then Arnold or Muscat could be alright. I'd rather it not be Muscat though, ever. If we are serious about developing a playing style that the next gen of players can take on, then sticking to this philosophy is a must. There is a reason why Ange is also in the technical heart of the youth teams, where they play the same way as the senior team he wants to imprint an identity which hopefully we lead to future success at the international stage. Going back to Arnie or selecting Musky would mean a change of technical direction, for me it doesn't make sense that we should change to a more reactive style in a world cup year what purpose does it lead to us in the long term? The same purpose as playing a proactive style for a single tournament, which on the grand scheme of things will change absolutely nothing. We have our squad for this world cup, we aren't going to be bringing in the youth to this side, it is going to be a few games where we will try and get a few good results and leave Russia respectable. Then we go and find ourselves a proper replacement. Hiring Arnie won't change how our youth teams will play, the national curriculum and everything else, it is purely a short term thing. I'd also like to add even if we hire a proactive manager they'll still play incredibly different to Ange and this voodoo formation we have played for a year, not to mention i don't think us playing a bit more cautious and direct these past 4 matches has destroyed the national team curriculum and youth setup in this country either. I'd rather Ange to stay and see out this world cup as this is his squad but if he were to go, i can live with being a bit more pragmatic for a few games. Which also doesn't mean stick 10 people behind the ball and not complete a pass. Yes, the overall scope is for Ange to stay but i have a feeling hes going to walk. Agree to disagree i just think to change back to a reactive style will be taking a backward step and all of the work Ange has set in place in the last 4 years will be taken away with Arnie. But we are talking about the FFA here, we don't know what they want to do if Ange leaves, there lack of football nous at FFA HQ is a cause for concern.
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I would hope that if ange goes he is involved in picking his successor. Think arnold is too of a style shift
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+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play.
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+x+x+xWhat you should be asking is why hasn't Ange been offered another 4 years? On top of that why he hasn't been offered the role of game changer? By the I mean giving authority to go right through the game and make the changes necessary at all levels to drive the game forward. You get the feeling he's not even allowed to choose where we play, let alone who (for friendles). I'd say your right. He's not even allowed to speak his mind, let alone make decisions for the game.
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+x+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play. Yep, I think Ange has been strong enough to stand up to the FFA insiders and they haven't liked it. Meant there has been another distraction from getting to the WC. At least we have achieved that now, hopefully we say bye bye to the insiders on the 30th. The worst picture from Wednesday was Franky and little stevie side by side in the aftermath of the victory. Told us all what we needed to not know! I would guess Franky is trying to pull a few strings at FIFA headquarters even at this late stage.
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+x+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play. He is definitely waiting to see what happens with FIFA and the FFA, if i were in his shoes i'd do the exact same thing.
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+x+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play. That's fine mate but it's the 'poor bugger me', 'I've always been an outsider' garbage I can't stand. What a martyr. What is he banging on about? He's played and coached and been involved in football at senior level for 20+ years. Give me a break.
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Paul Okon has had tremendous success and results at youth and club level so I feel he is probably next in line to coach the national team.
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+x+x+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play. That's fine mate but it's the 'poor bugger me', 'I've always been an outsider' garbage I can't stand. Definitely agree that this schtick has worn thin and if what I suggested is even slightly true he could have gone about things differently as his attitude has been misdirected...which makes me think it's not that clear cut.
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+xWhat would people think of Klinsman? I think he could do a good job to be honest and fits the philosophy. https://deadspin.com/jurgen-klinsmann-wishes-america-would-adopt-promotion-a-1644876704It's another international fixture break, which means it's another opportunity for Jürgen Klinsmann to get his message out to the media, which means it's yet another chance for him to criticise America's domestic leagues. This time, his beef is with the lack of promotion and relegation.
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More important than that, Klinsmann knows the benefits of promotion and relegation on competition and how it improves play: "I just wish that we would have a system in place where all the young players and all the players in general know that there's the next higher level and there's a lower level (and think), 'If I play a bad season, then that lower level is waiting for me. If I play a very, very good season then there's the chance to go up and play at whatever you describe then as the highest level.'"
Jurgen Klinsmann wants promotion and relegation, but will it happen?Jurgen Klinsman was at it again recently. No, not winning high-profile road games, although he did that too with notable victories vs. the Netherlands and world champions Germany. That said, let's leave Bobby Wood & Co. in Europe for a moment and bring the focus back home, where the promotion and relegation debate has been rekindled after the U.S. national team coach discussed the virtues of the system. "That furthers our national team," Klinsman told the Rheinische Post. "Something is at stake week in, week out. Be it at the top or at the bottom, you always have to perform. This thrill of the relegation battle is non-existent in the U.S. league.
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Klinsman with his totally hands off "hey you players go figure it out" approach would be a total disaster. He might have been a great player but all that ive heard he just didnt communicate strategy and his selections just left everyone bewildered. Massive coach players disconnect
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+x+x+x+xSo Ange still wants us to talk about this for 2 weeks and get FFA to beg for him and cave to his demands? The draw is in Russia on Dec 1 and he wants to make public his choice on Nov 30-31? Just leave already. We wont send you off to the draw like a hero. What if hypothetically Ange is threatening to leave because FFA's inaction over things like expansion and second division (things that you but most of us too want) because he can see that future world cup hopes are being sabotaged/sacrificed for the short term? Would people here still resent him for that? I mean, it's more likely a personal thing I guess but I wouldn't entirely put it past him as a power play. That's fine mate but it's the 'poor bugger me', 'I've always been an outsider' garbage I can't stand. Definitely agree that this schtick has worn thin and if what I suggested is even slightly true he could have gone about things differently as his attitude has been misdirected...which makes me think it's not that clear cut. Personally I dont resent him. I just want someone else who can get more from he tean with different tactics and selections. I dont think it is a big con-spriracy to get SM into the a-league from his part. Although I assume he wants pro rel etc If it is his agenda it is a weird way to go about things. Not needed at all. He asked fans and media to be morecritical. Results didnt go his way and we all were critical. He got shitty. This is the area he has pissed fans off, along with some results. It seems all of this might be him trying to give FFA some payback after he was made to apologise. He is trying to make them look stupid and the bad guys in the end. Instead of just walking away. He wants the last laugh. He might also be trying to get fired so he gets a payout and take a new contract somewhere else. we dont know yet. We have been asking, so many times. In the end if he stays, what was the point of all this shit? In that regard he just seems like he has a massive ego and its more about him and his legacy than the team, the country and the fans.
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+x+xJohn Aloisi or Kevin MuscatWho is your choice as a replacement coach Shoot me now. Shoot Joffa I'm, wtf?
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+xStrong rumors Arnie is lined up. Don't think he'd be the right choice, nor would it be the circumstances that he should sign up for. Little time to personalise the squad to his style, and win or lose it will be because of Ange. I'd like a qualuity foreigner, but I don't think we can afford one which is why we'll have to settle for Arnie or Muscat. As I'm reading this I'm visualizing Matt Simon coming on as a game breaker in the final 10 with Timmy looking on from the bench.
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