If Ange quits...who is your choice


If Ange quits...who is your choice

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Benjamin - 17 Nov 2017 2:30 PM
Arthur - 17 Nov 2017 9:09 AM

He's not even allowed to speak his mind, let alone make decisions for the game.



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Not that he would be available but I think David Wagner from Huddersfield would make a great National coach.
He has great Charisma,players love him,the fans love him and he would want attacking football.
Huddersfield in the Premier League is Like watching Australia battle every minute for a win.
I see similarities in the way Huddersfield and Australia play.
He has helped Huddersfield with its Youth Academy setup and has managed to develop his first team players.
Brendon Rodgers would be another I think would be a good fit for Australia.

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Arnold would probably bring back from the dead 'experienced campaigners' like Neil, Holman, Kewell, Wilkshire etc..... The A League is about where he should be and belongs. Keep him away from the national team at all costs.
Hopefully Ange stays and continues his good work with essentially an average squad. He gets the most out of them and the players obviously respect him. Otherwise bring in a Hiddink type 'contractor' for the World Cup and then re-assess after the tournament.
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Honestly though Gombau was the incredibly obvious and logical choice before Wanderers stuffed that plan up

ARNIE= LEGEND

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It's been said here already but Bert Van Marwijk already knows the Australian team and has analysed us and knows our strengths and weaknesses.









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Bert would be great, but if the Saudis couldn't come to 'terms' with him after he got them to qualify for the WC, I don't think there is any way we could afford him. I'm expecting some journeyman coach I've never heard of, like Verbeek or Hosciek, if we are going for an international coach
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There's only 1 man who can take this job overnight and do really well with it.
And that's the current Iran coach, Carlos Queirós. He's been coaching in Asian football for about 5 years now, and he knows it well.
He's a former assistant coach at Man Utd under Fergie,and then he took over as Real Madrid coach.
But his greatest moment, is for sure the 2 x Youth WC victories with Portugal in 89 & 91.
He oversaw and nurtured the Golden Generation of Portuguese Football of that time, and many players would go on to become household names in European and World Football. He brought thru and guided players like Luís Figo, Rui Costa, Jorge Costa, Abel Xavier, Emílio Peixe, Joao Pinto and many more.
He's a good tactician, his teams always play good football, he speaks good English and would be willing to live down under.
We all saw Iran at the last WC give Argentina a fright, and we saw what they produced at the Asian Cup here in Australia in 2015.
This guy would be my number 1 target, Arnold, Popa or Muscat aren't even in the same ballpark.


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Redcarded - 17 Nov 2017 8:55 PM
Bert would be great, but if the Saudis couldn't come to 'terms' with him after he got them to qualify for the WC, I don't think there is any way we could afford him. I'm expecting some journeyman coach I've never heard of, like Verbeek or Hosciek, if we are going for an international coach

From what I heard about his failure to negotiate a deal with the Saudis post-qualification was more about some ridiculous clause where he had to spend a certain amount of time in the country (23 days a month) and seek permission to leave the country. 
If Ange leaves then Bert would be the best realistic choice available imo.


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Arnold would probably bring back from the dead 'experienced campaigners' like Neil, Holman, Kewell, Wilkshire etc..... The A League is about where he should be and belongs. Keep him away from the national team at all costs. Hopefully Ange stays and continues his good work with essentially an average squad. He gets the most out of them and the players obviously respect him. Otherwise bring in a Hiddink type 'contractor' for the World Cup and then re-assess after the tournament.

Neill and Kewell are retired first of all and i highly doubt he would bring back wilkshire and Holman. He could potentially bring back Brosque though and i'd have to say it would be deservedly so - much more worthy a spot than Ruka or even mabil IMO
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Why haven't people mentioned Hiddink yet? Good enough to coach Chelsea even recently why couldn;t he coach us again? Familiar to some of the players knows australian football and the setup. Seems like a good choice for me, albeit just for another contract job.


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RedKat - 17 Nov 2017 7:29 PM
Honestly though Gombau was the incredibly obvious and logical choice before Wanderers stuffed that plan up

Would the FFA approach him anyway? 
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asanchez - 17 Nov 2017 11:29 PM
There's only 1 man who can take this job overnight and do really well with it.And that's the current Iran coach, Carlos Queirós. He's been coaching in Asian football for about 5 years now, and he knows it well. He's a former assistant coach at Man Utd under Fergie,and then he took over as Real Madrid coach. But his greatest moment, is for sure the 2 x Youth WC victories with Portugal in 89 & 91. He oversaw and nurtured the Golden Generation of Portuguese Football of that time, and many players would go on to become household names in European and World Football. He brought thru and guided players like Luís Figo, Rui Costa, Jorge Costa, Abel Xavier, Emílio Peixe, Joao Pinto and many more. He's a good tactician, his teams always play good football, he speaks good English and would be willing to live down under. We all saw Iran at the last WC give Argentina a fright, and we saw what they produced at the Asian Cup here in Australia in 2015. This guy would be my number 1 target, Arnold, Popa or Muscat aren't even in the same ballpark.

Why would he leave Iran?
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Why haven't people mentioned Hiddink yet? Good enough to coach Chelsea even recently why couldn;t he coach us again? Familiar to some of the players knows australian football and the setup. Seems like a good choice for me, albeit just for another contract job.


I thought he had retired but it might be worth asking him. 
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samblake11 - 18 Nov 2017 1:44 AM
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From what I heard about his failure to negotiate a deal with the Saudis post-qualification was more about some ridiculous clause where he had to spend a certain amount of time in the country (23 days a month) and seek permission to leave the country. 
If Ange leaves then Bert would be the best realistic choice available imo.


That was one reason, another reason was that the Saudis took it upon themselves to sack his assistants without telling him and hiring their own assistant coaches.

Even though he chose to leave, he may feel aggrieved that he put all that work in to get them there without having the chance of going to the World Cup tournament itself. If Ange goes, he may see it as an opportunity to go to a tournament he 'earned' the right to go to and arguably with a better squad. It also helps that having analysed us, he will already have some knowledge about the strength and weaknesses of the squad. Considering the Socceroos job is one of the highest paying national team coaching positions in the world (or at least it was at one point), I doubt money would be a sticking point, especially having regard to the above.  



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Queirós has reportedly quit from the Iran job and been convinced to stay 3-4 times. He's butted heads with their federation countless times, as they're always low on funds, and haven't always delivered what they've promised to the coach, in terms or conditions or opponents/matches.
He's mentioned in the past that he'd love the Socceroos job.
If Ange goes, which looks like might be the case, this guy's our man.


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asanchez - 18 Nov 2017 4:25 PM
Queirós has reportedly quit from the Iran job and been convinced to stay 3-4 times. He's butted heads with their federation countless times, as they're always low on funds, and haven't always delivered what they've promised to the coach, in terms or conditions or opponents/matches. He's mentioned in the past that he'd love the Socceroos job. If Ange goes, which looks like might be the case, this guy's our man.

good call
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What experienced, quality foreign coach would want to come to Australia and get crucified by Football illiterate bogans?... 

You can hardly do right here as a foreign coach. The only reason they respected Hiddink is because he played it smart. He came, qualified, played well and then LEFT BEFORE he could get trashed a couple of times in friendlies in France and Brazil (which is perfectly normal when a 50th ranked team travels to a top 10 Football nation, hence the reason why Ange hates playing friendlies AWAY against quality opposition)

A quality foreign coach would need a smart plan including exit strategy. Do the same as Hiddink: Come here, play well, then resign. There is no way he can experiment, by playing friendlies in Europe or South America or he WILL get 'osieck-ed'.

Bogans will ALWAYS overrate locals and underrate foreigners. That's in the bogan DNA. 
 
 
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Postecoglou to Arnold would be a massive downgrade. Peoples memories are short but Arnold coached the NT before when we had even better cattle available and he was a massive flop. Good A league coach does not translate into good international coach, just like good A league player does not translate into good Socceroo. Dont think FFA should blow the bank and get somone Hiddink calibre, but ideally someone who can continue Ange's philopshy and not revert to bovine tactics like long ball and parking the bus.
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So, why not Milicic?
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asanchez - 18 Nov 2017 4:25 PM
Queirós has reportedly quit from the Iran job and been convinced to stay 3-4 times. He's butted heads with their federation countless times, as they're always low on funds, and haven't always delivered what they've promised to the coach, in terms or conditions or opponents/matches. He's mentioned in the past that he'd love the Socceroos job. If Ange goes, which looks like might be the case, this guy's our man.

He would be absolutely perfect. Would be rapt if this ever happened.
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rusty - 19 Nov 2017 10:18 AM
Postecoglou to Arnold would be a massive downgrade. Peoples memories are short but Arnold coached the NT before when we had even better cattle available and he was a massive flop. Good A league coach does not translate into good international coach, just like good A league player does not translate into good Socceroo. Dont think FFA should blow the bank and get somone Hiddink calibre, but ideally someone who can continue Ange's philopshy and not revert to bovine tactics like long ball and parking the bus.

Couldn't of said better myself. If Arnold gets the job it would break my heart.
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Both Queiroz and Van Marwijk are very conservative coaches who play an ultra defensive, shamelessly negative style. It would be Verbeek all over again. No thanks. It would clearly be a massive step backwards.  It's a shame so many people here actively want us to revert to that dross. 
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dr. bellows - 16 Nov 2017 8:26 PM
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Wouldn't mind if Milicec got the gig - he knows the players and the style, and would be a fairly seamless changeover.

Agreed, otherwise a coach of suitable style from overseas. It's a shame Gombau out of the equation now, as he was a clear successor.

Then again, if Ange stays for the World Cup, the post World Cup Gombau's reign at the Wanderers could end earlier and he takes the reigns for the 2019 Asian Cup and 2022 Campaign?

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asanchez - 18 Nov 2017 4:25 PM
Queirós has reportedly quit from the Iran job and been convinced to stay 3-4 times. He's butted heads with their federation countless times, as they're always low on funds, and haven't always delivered what they've promised to the coach, in terms or conditions or opponents/matches. He's mentioned in the past that he'd love the Socceroos job. If Ange goes, which looks like might be the case, this guy's our man.

If that is the case then go for him, he looks great.
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rusty - 19 Nov 2017 10:18 AM
Postecoglou to Arnold would be a massive downgrade. Peoples memories are short but Arnold coached the NT before when we had even better cattle available and he was a massive flop. Good A league coach does not translate into good international coach, just like good A league player does not translate into good Socceroo. Dont think FFA should blow the bank and get somone Hiddink calibre, but ideally someone who can continue Ange's philopshy and not revert to bovine tactics like long ball and parking the bus.

I am not sure it is entirely correct to judge Arnold on that previous stint. He must have learnt since then and be a better coach.

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GloryPerth - 19 Nov 2017 1:28 PM
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Agreed, otherwise a coach of suitable style from overseas. It's a shame Gombau out of the equation now, as he was a clear successor.

Then again, if Ange stays for the World Cup, the post World Cup Gombau's reign at the Wanderers could end earlier and he takes the reigns for the 2019 Asian Cup and 2022 Campaign?

If the FFA think Gombau is the man to take over I hope they would offer him the job despite having just joined Wanderers. They took Ange from Melbourne, why not take Gombau from Wanderers?
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Gruen - 19 Nov 2017 2:34 PM
GloryPerth - 19 Nov 2017 1:28 PM

If the FFA think Gombau is the man to take over I hope they would offer him the job despite having just joined Wanderers. They took Ange from Melbourne, why not take Gombau from Wanderers?

Yeah, would be harsh but possible. The thing is, if Ange stays on the Cup as a few of us hope, then Gombau will have been with the Wanderers the entire 2017/18 season and into the 2018/19 pre-season - provided he achieves sufficient results with the club this season to last that long ofcourse. Gombau is still clearly floating about the NT set-up, close to Ange and the staff and connected to the project and their path forward. He just signed with WSW on a three year deal though, so would be barely half through that if the FFA came calling again, in mid-late 2018.

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