If Ange quits...who is your choice


If Ange quits...who is your choice

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frankstoncity83 - 23 Nov 2017 1:52 AM

What about Carlos Valderama? 

We could play a carlos hair formation. 

he will go to a club

 




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Former Soccer Australian chairman David Hill says FFA must get a top class foreign coach for World Cup

THE man who lured Terry Venables to coach the Socceroos 20 years ago, David Hill, is adamant Australia must choose a foreign coach for the World Cup finals in Russia.

Hill, as chairman of Soccer Australia, lured ‘El Tel’ away from England despite leading the team to the semi-finals of the 1996 European Championships.

He told foxsports.com.au he was stunned by Ange Postecoglou’s decision to quit the Roos after qualifying for Russia and said it left Australia with just one choice: get the best man available that they can afford.

“You want Australia to play at the highest level in the world against the world’s best then you’ve got to have the world’s best coach,” Hill said.

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“You can’t do anything about the players, you’re stuck with what’s available, but the coach, like we did with Terry Venables, we went and got the best coach and it paid off.”

venables coached Australia 24 times but missed World Cup qualification on the away goals rule in an agonising two leg playoff with Iran in November 1997.

“I’m not xenophobic. I don’t have a fear of the stranger or outsider. There are very few countries in the world — and they’re much better at football than us — who indulge themselves in the satisfaction of only ever selecting a national as their coach — Germany, Italy, Spain — there may be a few others.

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“Most teams say if you want to compete against the best you need the best when it comes to the critical issue coaching.”

FFA boss David Gallop said he found Postecoglou’s decision “puzzling”, and Hill said the former boss’s behaviour was not ideal.

“I don’t understand it,” Hill said. “I would have thought going to a World Cup is the absolute pinnacle.”

Hill said he saw a recent speech given by Postecoglou and came away impressed by his football knowledge and passion.

Sydney head coach Graham Arnold has been touted as a leading contender.
Sydney head coach Graham Arnold has been touted as a leading contender.Picture: AAP

“But I haven’t been impressed with the way he’s handled this,” Hill said.

“I have a lot of time for Ange but all this Hamlet type doubt and the meaning of life and so on... Australians wanted a clear answer earlier. I don’t get it but nor does FFA. They’re puzzled and I am too.

“I hope at some stage Ange will do us the courtesy of explaining why.

“None of us have got any bloody idea why he’s going. He’s obviously been good for Australia and he’s made the World Cup finals. That was what was asked and he’s delivered. Good on him for that.”

Hill said he respected Graham Arnold but was clear Australia could do better.

“Arnold has been phenomenally successful at Sydney FC,” said Hill.

“Great players don’t always make great coaches. Arnold has. But whether or not you should eliminate 90 per cent of the potential world class candidates because they’re not Australian, I don’t think so.”
Former Soccer Australian chairman David Hill says FFA must get a top class foreign coach for World Cup


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scott21 - 29 Nov 2017 11:47 PM

“Great players don’t always make great coaches. Arnold has. But whether or not you should eliminate 90 per cent of the potential world class candidates because they’re not Australian, I don’t think so.”

Lol 

"Arnold is in the top 90% of world class managers"


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SAINSBURY: I WANT AUSTRALIAN COACH TO LEAD THE SOCCEROOS AT WORLD CUP

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The defender hopes a local candidate is in charge for the green-and-gold's trip to the World Cup and beyond

Socceroos centre-half Trent Sainsbury says he is keen for an Australian to be given the national team job long-term, and believes the World Cup experience shouldn't be handed to a foreign manager.

Football Federation Australia have commenced their search to replace Ange Postecoglou and are widely believed to be favouring an overseas coach to lead the team to Russia, before a local coach assumes the role after next year's showpiece.

However, in the first strong statement by an Socceroos player on the coach hunt, Sainsbury told 20Four that he wants an Australian to take over the role long term, and hinted that his former Central Coast Mariners mentor Graham Arnold would be his choice.

"My preference would definitely be an Australian coach," Sainsbury said.

"I think if they are going to go Aussie they have to go for the long term – this World Cup, next World Cup (Qatar 2022) and the Asian Cup (2023) after that.

"People probably say I’m biased if I said Graham Arnold.

"If they go international, it will just be for the (2018) World Cup – I don’t think they should take it through to the (2019) Asian Cup.

"Why give this experience to a foreign coach when you can give it to an Aussie to have this experience and put that on their CV?"

Trent Sainsbury: I want Australian coach like Graham Arnold to lead the Socceroos at World Cup 2018 in Russia | Goal.com



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You are bias. He is basically your father-in.-law.
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LOL, yeah thought the exact same thing reading that. Wife in his ear to say something to help her dad
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i don't think its really appropriate for sainsbury to be commenting on this sort of stuff. 
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if I recall correctly the last foreign coach dropped him for what he perceived as seeming uninterested at training or something along those lines, think he may have misundertood his temperament 
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scott21 - 30 Nov 2017 8:32 PM
You are bias. He is basically your father-in.-law.

How does him saying this help Arnie? Irregardless of whether he says this or not, Ange is still gone and Arnie is one of the front runners. 

ARNIE= LEGEND

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Then Ange selected him and he was a first choice Socceroo literally every game he was fit, hardly ever subbed. Shows how poor Holger’s selections were.

Nevertheless, this has actually given me cause for a big rethink - I’ve been firmly of the opinion that Arnie should get the next 4 year cycle after this WC. Now considering he is the father in law of the best player in the team, I’m not so sure.
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If we're going with an Australian manager, it has to be Arnold. By far the most qualified. He has been in there before, knows how it works, knows what he'll do differently, has gone away and proved himself to quite a degree in our domestic league. I also think he believes in what Ange has created and will want to work with that and build on it, rather than scrapping it and starting again. Safe option in my opinion and would be worth a longer term option.

However, if we're going to go foreign, it has to be someone with a similar philosophy to Ange. That means someone who believes in attacking football, uses similar formations, and isn't scared to throw Australian players into all out attack against the best teams in the world. This will be the best option if we get it right. The risk is likely to be that we'll get some top dog in, their head will be too big to recognise what they've inherited and they'll undo four years of Ange's good work.
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Sainsbury saying Arnie? Very predictable
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Laurent Blanc has been approached about the vacant head coach roles with the U.S. men's national team and the Australia side bound for next summer's World Cup, his agent has told L'Equipe.

Blanc will be at Friday's World Cup draw in Moscow as a former winner of football's most prestigious prize, and will help draw the names of the 32 teams for the competition's group stage.

Laurent Blanc approached about vacant US Australia jobs - agent


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Does the World Cup draw change anything in terms of coaching appointments? 

I think in terms of securing a high profile coach we would have a better chance, as they could see potential qualification from this group. 

Laurent Blanc vs France? Interesting proposition. 
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Kevin Muscat is hungry to coach against our 3 opponents. Especially Peru. We have never headbutted them before; Kevin Muscat has valuable headbutting experience down the tunnel for Millwall. 
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Mick Malthouse considers himself a dark horse for the job; he wants us to die the death of a thousand cuts before we unseat the emperor. He is developing a new tactical football system of using a 9 foot tall former Collingwood thirds ruckman to dominate the midfield and distribute the ball with the head. 
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frankstoncity83 - 2 Dec 2017 11:33 AM
Kevin Muscat is hungry to coach against our 3 opponents. Especially Peru. We have never headbutted them before; Kevin Muscat has valuable headbutting experience down the tunnel for Millwall. 

I saw the France then my mind wanted Muscat to avenge the spit. 




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My wife said last night that a work colleagues husband said that graham arnolds football teams are like watching your partners shit being flushed down the toilet... gets the job done most of the time but its awkward and disgusting.
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scubaroo - 2 Dec 2017 1:21 PM
My wife said last night that a work colleagues husband said that graham arnolds football teams are like watching your partners shit being flushed down the toilet... gets the job done most of the time but its awkward and disgusting.

What a strange analogy. Why would anyone watch their partner's shit being flushed down the toilet? 

I think everyone's being unfair to Arnold. He's made Sydney FC practically unbeatable, and did wonders with the Mariners. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself on the world stage. He has certainly deserved it. 
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Let's be honest here...

Ange wanted to instil a philosophy, an attitude, that lifted our expectations beyond qualifying, surviving, or even progressing beyond the group stage. We need to think big. We need to want to win the World Cup. Ange had this belief, and it passed on to the players. We need a manager crazy enough to believe we can do it.
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Tom AUFC - 2 Dec 2017 2:38 PM
Let's be honest here...

Ange wanted to instil a philosophy, an attitude, that lifted our expectations beyond qualifying, surviving, or even progressing beyond the group stage. We need to think big. We need to want to win the World Cup. Ange had this belief, and it passed on to the players. We need a manager crazy enough to believe we can do it.

Yeah he should've stayed on.

Not many managers are going to come in with that mentality. No foreign manager that's for sure.
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What a strange analogy. Why would anyone watch their partner's shit being flushed down the toilet? 

I think everyone's being unfair to Arnold. He's made Sydney FC practically unbeatable, and did wonders with the Mariners. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself on the world stage. He has certainly deserved it. 

I don't want Arnie to leave Sydney but you have to admit that players tend to like/love the guy even though he can come across as a dick.
He's brought through Ryan,Sainsbury,Gersbach and Rogic
He's brought the best out of Vuka and Jurman.
His one outing as NT coach had him managing a team of players who didn't want to be in the heat of Thailand mid season and thought it would be a walk in the park seeing as though they came off a successful WC and hadn't tackled Asia before.
I don't think Arnie is pragmatic he just has a balanced teams built from the back first..........We are now used to Ange's all out attack that everything else looks like parking the bus.


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Derider - 2 Dec 2017 2:07 PM
scubaroo - 2 Dec 2017 1:21 PM

What a strange analogy. Why would anyone watch their partner's shit being flushed down the toilet? 


I think that answers the question... Why would anyone want to watch arnies team.

If arnies in, then everything ange worked for is thrown away.
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As much as id like blanc  or de boer i sort of suspect we wouldn't be to afford them unless franky opens up the cheque book. Arnie has got results with sfc but stylistically very different and would mean throwing out much of anges work. Still suspect we might get a journeyman mid level euro coach, just hope though that they are cut from the same cloth as bielsa 
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I don't want Arnie to leave Sydney but you have to admit that players tend to like/love the guy even though he can come across as a dick.
He's brought through Ryan,Sainsbury,Gersbach and Rogic
He's brought the best out of Vuka and Jurman.
His one outing as NT coach had him managing a team of players who didn't want to be in the heat of Thailand mid season and thought it would be a walk in the park seeing as though they came off a successful WC and hadn't tackled Asia before.
I don't think Arnie is pragmatic he just has a balanced teams built from the back first..........We are now used to Ange's all out attack that everything else looks like parking the bus.


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Hes still a small fish. 
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We should never just settle on a national team manager. 
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Beckenbaur hasn't managed in 20 years and is caught up in the corruption around the 2018 WC process. Mourinho? sure, no harm in asking right. Hiddink is retired I thought, he is always welcome after what he did in 2006, but that alone isn't reaon to jump at recruiting him
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Ernie Merrick 100%
He knows how to control egos
He has knowledge of the players available
He has learned from his mistakes
He knows how to get the best from a player
No brainer
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As much as id like blanc  or de boer i sort of suspect we wouldn't be to afford them unless franky opens up the cheque book. Arnie has got results with sfc but stylistically very different and would mean throwing out much of anges work. Still suspect we might get a journeyman mid level euro coach, just hope though that they are cut from the same cloth as bielsa 

If we are going journeyman mid level euro coach we may as well go with Arnie. I do get the feeling that we may just get Bielsa  Experienced in South America and in Europe. Plays an attacking 3-3-3-1 that transforms quickly between attack and defence and presses aggressively. His teams transitioning between defence and attack and back again is an extension of what we do with Ange. His teams are much quicker in transition while the Socceroos are often ponderous in their attacking build up.

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Would love bielsa as you can tell ange was trying to move us towards that attacking style with 3 at the back and a midfield that can transition quickly. However i heard he didnt get the pay out on his contract from Lille as they said he breached it, so he might bd looking for a bigger buck contract than we can afford. But if we could get him that would be incredible
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