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Zac Saddler granted a release, we now have a free slot in the top 30.
I think we will sign someone before June 30th..... musical chairs kicking off?
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+x+xwhether the RFM or Martin rumours are true or not etc... why is it that this club can never keep a hold of any player with some form of talent/x factor? Salary Cap issues or not, we’ve got a really poor history of keeping the great, good & the half decent ones.... I would question what has happened to RFM he as a great player 1-2 years ago, but went backwards most of 2018 and got worse in 2019. Many things can lead to going backwards... not coming back from injury trusting your body, personal stuff, believing you're owed something and better than you are, dramas with the coach... whatever it is he's seems to have lost a ton of mongrel on both sides of the ball...
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+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. And pray tell who are the tellers of such rumours?...Big "Let's wind back the clock" Bird, Big Tony's hot dog selling mate or someone less reliable Less reliable ie sports germoulists...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The results cause the rumours and good coaches don't NEED to drop good players that's what he's judged on. So dropping isaako and Roberts made Seibold a bad coach???... Bennetts dropped plenty over the years too to send a message... Prior to Pay coming on board all I heard was why doesn't Des drop this player or that due to form or attitude... Pay does it and now we have this... Or is only cos he dropped a couple of fan favourites the rumours start???... Are there still Dibbys out there planting the seeds to destabilise in attempt to regain power???... CHN based on onfield effort (who knows about offield attitude) deserved a stint in reggies, let's hope he's man enough to take it in board and pull his finger out on the field...
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+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs...
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+x+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs... That is why I say Pay practically needs a miracle..... our players haven't shown any ability to come out of the sheds firing, or put together more than 10-15 mins of good football a game. Apart from Elliott, Jackson. Odgen, R Smith, Montoya, Okunbor, Crichton, (and surprisingly) Cogger there is a really lack of desire to run hard, fight hard and want to win. Foran is doing his best on one leg. Meaney is a bit young.... Chris Smith has a bit of mongrel..... Sue and Danny F try hard most of the time... Lewis is great when he is in the side, I would have him in for that reason alone... he wants to win... But we are not a team that fights for every inch for 80 mins, when we do turn it on, we are surprisingly good. Pay's only hope is, when we do get it right and we do want to fight for every inch, we are surprisingly good, he also has to hope the team are sick of losing, and we can get some direction from dummy half... It don't see this as all on the coach by any stretch of the imagination, the players are at least 50% of the problem.
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+x+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs... That's exactly what is frustrating to see/hear. In early May several players came out saying they're not starting games well, so they'll be out to start games well, start games well this, start games well that. A month later against Canberra they lasted a whole 40 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. That's terribly unprofessional & last week was twice as bad considering they only lasted 20 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. Closing out matches suffers the same horror show. In between they're barely building any pressure at all with repeat sets. When they do get a few in a row they waste most tackles on settlers before swinging it wide & throwing it to the invisible winger over the sideline or something else that looks like no thought's gone into..
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Good to see Zef is alive. That was a worry...
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+x+x+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs... That's exactly what is frustrating to see/hear. In early May several players came out saying they're not starting games well, so they'll be out to start games well, start games well this, start games well that. A month later against Canberra they lasted a whole 40 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. That's terribly unprofessional & last week was twice as bad considering they only lasted 20 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. Closing out matches suffers the same horror show. In between they're barely building any pressure at all with repeat sets. When they do get a few in a row they waste most tackles on settlers before swinging it wide & throwing it to the invisible winger over the sideline or something else that looks like no thought's gone into.. It might be partially due to the coach, but I've never seen a Dogs team start games so consistently badly... Mostly it is down to our leadership in the forwards, and our props don't aim up in the first 20 mins ... there is a battle on early for ruck supremacy and yardage, you need to get into the fight... run hard, tackle hard ... Tolman should not be a starting prop.. OK as a lock if we have 2 good props.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The record is horrendous. Excuses are made by losers. The Coach and his team of Mighty Ducks were saying they would surprise us this year..... Turns out it was one of those surprises when you realise it wasn't a fart!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The results cause the rumours and good coaches don't NEED to drop good players that's what he's judged on. So dropping isaako and Roberts made Seibold a bad coach???... Bennetts dropped plenty over the years too to send a message... Prior to Pay coming on board all I heard was why doesn't Des drop this player or that due to form or attitude... Pay does it and now we have this... Or is only cos he dropped a couple of fan favourites the rumours start???... Are there still Dibbys out there planting the seeds to destabilise in attempt to regain power???... CHN based on onfield effort (who knows about offield attitude) deserved a stint in reggies, let's hope he's man enough to take it in board and pull his finger out on the field... Of course coaches drop players. My emphasis on NEED is to highlight that that seems to be Dean's first option and not work on getting the best out of our players before dropping them. There are several players he has dropped this season, all in one game ...bettter coaches only seem to need to drop one or two was my point. Hope you aren't suggesting I'm a dibby...I was constantly admonished for critisizing him, his coach and Board :) Times have changed with coaching whether we like it or not. . It's more man management. Dropping players and telling them to man up doesn't have the same ring to it for these twenty somethings :) especially when it comes from a coach who hasn't proved himself either. All I know is we aren't doing too well so something needs to change.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The results cause the rumours and good coaches don't NEED to drop good players that's what he's judged on. So dropping isaako and Roberts made Seibold a bad coach???... Bennetts dropped plenty over the years too to send a message... Prior to Pay coming on board all I heard was why doesn't Des drop this player or that due to form or attitude... Pay does it and now we have this... Or is only cos he dropped a couple of fan favourites the rumours start???... Are there still Dibbys out there planting the seeds to destabilise in attempt to regain power???... CHN based on onfield effort (who knows about offield attitude) deserved a stint in reggies, let's hope he's man enough to take it in board and pull his finger out on the field... Of course coaches drop players. My emphasis on NEED is to highlight that that seems to be Dean's first option and not work on getting the best out of our players before dropping them. There are several players he has dropped this season, all in one game ...bettter coaches only seem to need to drop one or two was my point. Hope you aren't suggesting I'm a dibby...I was constantly admonished for critisizing him, his coach and Board :) Times have changed with coaching whether we like it or not. . It's more man management. Dropping players and telling them to man up doesn't have the same ring to it for these twenty somethings :) especially when it comes from a coach who hasn't proved himself either. All I know is we aren't doing too well so something needs to change. Better coaches start with a team of better players, and players that know there are good players in reserve grade waiting for their spot. I'm happy that Pay is dropping players, and he is mostly getting that right..... if players are professionals they should take it on board as part of the job.... I bet they are given a reason.... and there is some truth in all reasons.... What he hasn't been able to do is get 17 players playing good football for 80 mins... that is mostly because we don't have 17 good players...
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+xIt might be partially due to the coach, but I've never seen a Dogs team start games so consistently badly... Mostly it is down to our leadership in the forwards, and our props don't aim up in the first 20 mins ... there is a battle on early for ruck supremacy and yardage, you need to get into the fight... run hard, tackle hard ... Tolman should not be a starting prop.. OK as a lock if we have 2 good props. It's hard to figure it out because the talent & fitness is there & they're trying hard. I'd even go as far as saying the majority have game-smarts, but game-smarts & focus are what keeps disappearing in the heat of the moment. Maybe they need to dig a trench full of hot coals & spent time walking back & forth over it balancing an egg on their heads without breaking it, while the cheerleaders stab them with umbrellas & whatever other obstacles & distractions you can think of being cast their way, just to strengthen their focus under trying circumstances. I might try it myself, been struggling to sit through 80 mins as a mad fan. :)
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+x+x+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs... That's exactly what is frustrating to see/hear. In early May several players came out saying they're not starting games well, so they'll be out to start games well, start games well this, start games well that. A month later against Canberra they lasted a whole 40 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. That's terribly unprofessional & last week was twice as bad considering they only lasted 20 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. Closing out matches suffers the same horror show. In between they're barely building any pressure at all with repeat sets. When they do get a few in a row they waste most tackles on settlers before swinging it wide & throwing it to the invisible winger over the sideline or something else that looks like no thought's gone into.. Sure is frustrating. Take last week. Interview with Hoppa. "This is a must win situation for us to save our season". What happens? He trots out. Plods along. Has no impact on the must win game. No one dismisses how hard it would be for Pay. These guys are overblown bludgers compared to our players of the past. But a coach must offer solutions and inspire players with a plan and be consistent, without playing less talented favourites and only dropping certain others. That can't be said about Dean.
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+x+xIt might be partially due to the coach, but I've never seen a Dogs team start games so consistently badly... Mostly it is down to our leadership in the forwards, and our props don't aim up in the first 20 mins ... there is a battle on early for ruck supremacy and yardage, you need to get into the fight... run hard, tackle hard ... Tolman should not be a starting prop.. OK as a lock if we have 2 good props. It's hard to figure it out because the talent & fitness is there & they're trying hard. I'd even go as far as saying the majority have game-smarts, but game-smarts & focus are what keeps disappearing in the heat of the moment. Maybe they need to dig a trench full of hot coals & spent time walking back & forth over it balancing an egg on their heads without breaking it, while the cheerleaders stab them with umbrellas & whatever other obstacles & distractions you can think of being cast their way, just to strengthen their focus under trying circumstances. I might try it myself, been struggling to sit through 80 mins as a mad fan. :) BN I'll give the team credit for not turning it up and fighting hard for the full 80 mins...... in fact after 20 mins when they get over the shock that they are actually paying football, we are quite often the better team for the next 60...... We look slick in attack on rare occasions then that all disappears as quickly as it came, most games we have ample opportunities in the opponents 20, while it isn't always easy to score tries from close, we lose our way and waste a lot of opportunities just like we did under Des. Starting games it is our forward leaders particularly our props who should be setting the tone, in the opponents 20 a quality 9 is essential. Failing that if our players tried hard to start well, and our dummy halves opened their eyes, and engaged their brain, we might go better. I'm just as frustrated as other fans, but I don't think dropping players, or rumours are the problem, they are the symptoms, not the disease.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The results cause the rumours and good coaches don't NEED to drop good players that's what he's judged on. So dropping isaako and Roberts made Seibold a bad coach???... Bennetts dropped plenty over the years too to send a message... Prior to Pay coming on board all I heard was why doesn't Des drop this player or that due to form or attitude... Pay does it and now we have this... Or is only cos he dropped a couple of fan favourites the rumours start???... Are there still Dibbys out there planting the seeds to destabilise in attempt to regain power???... CHN based on onfield effort (who knows about offield attitude) deserved a stint in reggies, let's hope he's man enough to take it in board and pull his finger out on the field... Of course coaches drop players. My emphasis on NEED is to highlight that that seems to be Dean's first option and not work on getting the best out of our players before dropping them. There are several players he has dropped this season, all in one game ...bettter coaches only seem to need to drop one or two was my point. Hope you aren't suggesting I'm a dibby...I was constantly admonished for critisizing him, his coach and Board :) Times have changed with coaching whether we like it or not. . It's more man management. Dropping players and telling them to man up doesn't have the same ring to it for these twenty somethings :) especially when it comes from a coach who hasn't proved himself either. All I know is we aren't doing too well so something needs to change. Better coaches start with a team of better players, and players that know there are good players in reserve grade waiting for their spot. I'm happy that Pay is dropping players, and he is mostly getting that right..... if players are professionals they should take it on board as part of the job.... I bet they are given a reason.... and there is some truth in all reasons.... What he hasn't been able to do is get 17 players playing good football for 80 mins... that is mostly because we don't have 17 good players... Lewis said he was dropped to improve his defence?
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+x+x+x+xThe other thing I am saying is if there is a lot of media and twitter speculation then that is good.... We will not need to wait long to see how the players respond, or don't respond... that will answer the question... If they like and respect the coach, and want him to keep his job, they will turn up. It's much easier for the players to 'turn it up' than turn up... too much hard work, and would mean they have take some form of ownership for their pathetic first half efforts in the close games, and second half capitulationa in the blow outs... That's exactly what is frustrating to see/hear. In early May several players came out saying they're not starting games well, so they'll be out to start games well, start games well this, start games well that. A month later against Canberra they lasted a whole 40 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. That's terribly unprofessional & last week was twice as bad considering they only lasted 20 seconds into the match before the first error/penalty/turnover. Closing out matches suffers the same horror show. In between they're barely building any pressure at all with repeat sets. When they do get a few in a row they waste most tackles on settlers before swinging it wide & throwing it to the invisible winger over the sideline or something else that looks like no thought's gone into.. Sure is frustrating. Take last week. Interview with Hoppa. "This is a must win situation for us to save our season". What happens? He trots out. Plods along. Has no impact on the must win game. No one dismisses how hard it would be for Pay. These guys are overblown bludgers compared to our players of the past. But a coach must offer solutions and inspire players with a plan and be consistent, without playing less talented favourites and only dropping certain others. That can't be said about Dean. I don't think it is favourites, Pay seems like he has been trying to fix the defence, generally all successful team are built on defence... But with our team the way our season has been going, he needs to try a different tack.... time to work on our attack.... and take a few risks.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The results cause the rumours and good coaches don't NEED to drop good players that's what he's judged on. So dropping isaako and Roberts made Seibold a bad coach???... Bennetts dropped plenty over the years too to send a message... Prior to Pay coming on board all I heard was why doesn't Des drop this player or that due to form or attitude... Pay does it and now we have this... Or is only cos he dropped a couple of fan favourites the rumours start???... Are there still Dibbys out there planting the seeds to destabilise in attempt to regain power???... CHN based on onfield effort (who knows about offield attitude) deserved a stint in reggies, let's hope he's man enough to take it in board and pull his finger out on the field... Of course coaches drop players. My emphasis on NEED is to highlight that that seems to be Dean's first option and not work on getting the best out of our players before dropping them. There are several players he has dropped this season, all in one game ...bettter coaches only seem to need to drop one or two was my point. Hope you aren't suggesting I'm a dibby...I was constantly admonished for critisizing him, his coach and Board :) Times have changed with coaching whether we like it or not. . It's more man management. Dropping players and telling them to man up doesn't have the same ring to it for these twenty somethings :) especially when it comes from a coach who hasn't proved himself either. All I know is we aren't doing too well so something needs to change. Better coaches start with a team of better players, and players that know there are good players in reserve grade waiting for their spot. I'm happy that Pay is dropping players, and he is mostly getting that right..... if players are professionals they should take it on board as part of the job.... I bet they are given a reason.... and there is some truth in all reasons.... What he hasn't been able to do is get 17 players playing good football for 80 mins... that is mostly because we don't have 17 good players... Lewis said he was dropped to improve his defence? I think that left edge defence of Martin,Lewis, and Holland was a disaster .... so Pay dropped all 3, that fact hat Cogger was playing better than Lewis at the time didn't help. Lewis was dropped for decision making and defence, it was mainly decision making in attack, bad kicks and bad passes, not running enough. Still it was a mistake dropping Lewis and he should be in our 17 as he is one of the best 17 players at the club... Whether Lewis should be playing instead Cogger is line ball, Cogger plays great some games (or parts of games), I like both players and Foran, I'm not playing favourites, but of the 3 Lewis is more likely to be a long term part of the club. Not every decision to drop a player has been right, but at least 50% of them have been,
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. With a weak roster it is unrealistic to expect a good win loss ratio. What needs to be assessed is are the tactics and selections maximizing the teams chances. Just as important is are we seeing the younger players developing at an acceptable rate. If the answers are yes the coach stays, if not he goes. Good post. It goes for coaches, but also administrators and also players.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAll over twitter etc that CHN wants out as well. Rumours saying CHN has had blow up with Pay and RFM, Martin and Brown on the outer with Pay and gone. Just passing on the rumours and info on our team (as what happend on fan forums) ...but it's a long way outa this hole and getting deeper every day it seems. Rumours on CHN are based on the fact that the has been dropped nothing more, if he had a dummy spit about being dropped, that is a sign of immaturity. Whether or not the coach is getting it right, the coach picks the side, end of story.... that is the case at all successful clubs. Do players have a dummy spit when Bellamy, Bennett or Robinson drops them? They don't, because they know they will not get back into first grade until their attitude is right. Most of our fans seem to assume our players have the maturity level of toddlers... HD Comparing Bennett, Bellamy, Robinson dropping players to the yoyo dropping Pay's coaching is synonymous with, is a bit much mate...no comparison or in the same league at all. We can accept that those calibre of coaches drop for a very specific reason. It's very, very rare with them also. Pay dropped CHN on Sunday late and according to Fox announcement by Kimmorley and other commentators, he told him he had 40 minutes to show his defence was good enough for FG. He was to be 18th man but didn't prove that to Pay. That seems like spitting the dummy from the coach to me. Treating your best forward like that tells a lot about unravelling and pressure. We have to keep this in context of the players Pay is preferring over CHN. A bloke who is new to the club could easily be bewildered to see that Elliott is preferred and gets rolls royce treatment. Elliott is clearly inferior to CHN in every aspect of the game. Privately you would think the coach is a DH. Chris Smith is at the same level as Elliott. It looks like Reimus isn't happy. RFM and Martin on the outer. Lewis and Holland and Lichaa been demoted and possibly feeding off this. There's plenty of disgruntled team mates to gossip with I guess. I hope we don't lose CHN because of Pay. Dan I'm not saying Pay is right, simply that the coach picks the team, or you don't bother having a coach... In this case any players who are good simply need to wait for a change of coach, or put in the effort in reserve grade, and get another chance.. Same with replacing the coach, any players who are dropped perhaps need to look in the mirror and ask if they are part of the problem, any successful coach demands high standards,.... again Pay might have it wrong, but he is attempting to demand high standards..... Lichaa, RFM, Martin and Holland all probably deserved to be dropped. RFM unlucky first time around. Holland should have perhaps been playing on the right, but his attempts in defence on the left were pathetic. Understand what your saying HD and agree but what I'm saying is Pay has been very inconsistent with his selections and only consistently dropping the same few forwards whilst leaving other average performers alone does breed trouble in the camp. Respect for a coach does not automatically transfer through just cause you have your name on the office door next to the gym. You're going to be questioned and doubted if you make bad or biased decisions. You've got these players livlihoods and futures in your power. Yes players have to accept the coach's decisions but doesn't mean you respect them. That seems to be the feeling amongst fans like you and me ..and maybe the players that Dean is out of his depth. No doubt they deserved to be dropped ...my point is there are an extraordinary lot of dropped/ex FG players about the place who are adding to the unrest about the place you'd expect. Not many teams would have this situation to deal with. Ricky publicly punting all those players at Parra would be close Lets hope the CHN rumour is just part of the usual Days of Our Rugby League Life that our club seems to be continually embroiled in these past several years. He is clearly out of his depth. Regardless, we either sack him as coach, or give him a fair go when he is coach, that means he makes the decisions. There is no in between mode where we tie his hands behind his back and expect him to coach. Coaches always have to drop players who don't l follow instructions otherwise no one bothers following instructions. If he doesn't know what he is doing, then sooner or later results speak for themselves, but while he is coach, he calls the shots. This kind of lack of discipline and panic is a big part of the reason why our club is a rabble, we back our judgement until we sure we are wrong, then make the call, and back our new judgement. I think 30% results since taking over tells you something. We have the worst attack and the worst defence this year. No more excuses like oh we're young or we didn't get the penalties, that's just a blatant cop out. We haven't got the greatest roster but we should have won a lot more games. That is fair, you need to be a very good coach to get results with a weak roster, that is the kind of coach we ideally want, doesn't look like Pay is the man. But judge him on his record, not rumours, not players who are unhappy about being dropped. The record is horrendous. Excuses are made by losers. The Coach and his team of Mighty Ducks were saying they would surprise us this year..... Turns out it was one of those surprises when you realise it wasn't a fart! Lol. Classic post.
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The key issue with Pay is that he has dropped better players than the ones he replaced them or dropped players who really didnt feel they needed to be dropped.
If your player does something silly and is reluctantly dropped for disciplinary reasons, fair enough. But when you drop players for inexplicable reasons, you begin to lose respect. Do it to 1 or 2 players who you are getting rid of mid year or end, and it's not a CLM but do it repeatedly to a number of them and the results dont go in your favour and you all but seal your career....
Pay is that level.
It's the same level as K Moore. Rubber stamped as Never to coach again
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Watching a Sunshine Coast Falcons game Harry Grant and Stimpson very good, excellent combination with Cooper Johns who is also a very good player.
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Though I have to admit the game is a mismatch.
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+xThe key issue with Pay is that he has dropped better players than the ones he replaced them or dropped players who really didnt feel they needed to be dropped. If your player does something silly and is reluctantly dropped for disciplinary reasons, fair enough. But when you drop players for inexplicable reasons, you begin to lose respect. Do it to 1 or 2 players who you are getting rid of mid year or end, and it's not a CLM but do it repeatedly to a number of them and the results dont go in your favour and you all but seal your career.... Pay is that level. It's the same level as K Moore. Rubber stamped as Never to coach again You are right in some respects, but the wolves are never satisfied.... And I don't think there'd be many players that would admit to themselves they probably deserved to be... especially with a generation of snowflakes entering the game... And the wolves consistently play both sides of the ball... Now it's a case of don't drop CHN for a lesser player for any reason, yet earlier in the season it was drop Dutchy for anyone... CHN deserved to be dropped for on field performance, he has imo put in a real effort only twice this year... we have no idea if there were off field matters that contributed... he may well have been "reluctantly dropped".,.
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Not so sure how our NRL side would go against the Falcons, some very good players and well drilled.
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They are leading 36-0 after 36 mins ... the opposition coach is going to need a great halftime speech.
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+xNot so sure how our NRL side would go against the Falcons, some very good players and well drilled. More coming outa the Storm system.
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Wow.
For those didnt watch Cooper Cronk on NRL360 tonight, do yourselves a favour and try to watch a replay.
Two main things come to light which I've mentioned here before....
1) We need to make him a serious offer as first grade coach. I would give him assistant coach next year (if we keep Pay) but then guarantee him the role for 2020.
2) He explains (in explicit detail) how you need to adjust your game tactics due to changing nature of the previous play. This is something I have harped on about for the last few weeks. It's the reason I have been wanting more smart players in our team as I think we dont have any.
As I have said many times before, the gap between us and the top teams at the moment is not small like afew people think (HD and couple of others) - its massive.
The fix however is quite simple but I'm not sure our current crop of first graders can execute it.
Watch the interview. It solves everything.
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dman2018
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+xWow. For those didnt watch Cooper Cronk on NRL360 tonight, do yourselves a favour and try to watch a replay. Two main things come to light which I've mentioned here before.... 1) We need to make him a serious offer as first grade coach. I would give him assistant coach next year (if we keep Pay) but then guarantee him the role for 2020. 2) He explains (in explicit detail) how you need to adjust your game tactics due to changing nature of the previous play. This is something I have harped on about for the last few weeks. It's the reason I have been wanting more smart players in our team as I think we dont have any. As I have said many times before, the gap between us and the top teams at the moment is not small like afew people think (HD and couple of others) - its massive. The fix however is quite simple but I'm not sure our current crop of first graders can execute it. Watch the interview. It solves everything. Did he express the desire to be a coach???... I'd say he would be able to make serious coin on TV and as a consultant for several teams... minus the stress of coaching...
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+x+xWow. For those didnt watch Cooper Cronk on NRL360 tonight, do yourselves a favour and try to watch a replay. Two main things come to light which I've mentioned here before.... 1) We need to make him a serious offer as first grade coach. I would give him assistant coach next year (if we keep Pay) but then guarantee him the role for 2020. 2) He explains (in explicit detail) how you need to adjust your game tactics due to changing nature of the previous play. This is something I have harped on about for the last few weeks. It's the reason I have been wanting more smart players in our team as I think we dont have any. As I have said many times before, the gap between us and the top teams at the moment is not small like afew people think (HD and couple of others) - its massive. The fix however is quite simple but I'm not sure our current crop of first graders can execute it. Watch the interview. It solves everything. Did he express the desire to be a coach???... I'd say he would be able to make serious coin on TV and as a consultant for several teams... minus the stress of coaching... At his retirement announcement he said "I won't coach".
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