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Nix are already dead going by their crowd figures.
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+xP&R would kill teams like WSW and Roar and the likes of CCM and Nixs. What's the downside?
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P&R would kill teams like WSW and Roar and the likes of CCM and Nixs. We need to aim for a 16 team league then start dreaming about P&R with park football.
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Establishing a second division and working towards promotion and relegation needs to be the highest priority.
The league is dying a slow death at the moment, even though the football played on the park is of a good standard.
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+x+xIt's such a relief to know there are so many world renowned, brilliant award winning accountants specializing in the commerciality of sport on this forum.
How could football go wrong. We can't all have PHDs in ethnic studies mate. -PB 
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+xAn A league cup at the start of each season would give the profile of the 2nd division a leg up. If there was 12 teams in each of the A league and A league 2 divisions, a preseaon cup featuring 4 groups of 6 teams (with 50/50 split of A1 and A2 teams in each group) would provide 5 matches for all involved. With the top 2 in each group progressing to knockout stages, the cup would be wrapped up in 8 weeks. I expect that there would be enough interest to have this televised. We would get a yearly measure of the gap between A1 and A2 to aid in the decision of when promotion and relegation is realistic. There would be enough games per year to reduced each league to home and away. WIn - win. This could work, it gives the teams more time to prepare for the FFA cup as well. it would nice to see A2 vs A1, to see the progress in a controlled environment, another option is to play these during the International week, as the A2 clubs won't mind, and it give the fringe players in the A league teams to get game time. and as a pun, lets call it the Milk cup, A1 protein vs A2 Protein sponsored by the dairy industry :D
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+xAn A league cup at the start of each season would give the profile of the 2nd division a leg up. If there was 12 teams in each of the A league and A league 2 divisions, a preseaon cup featuring 4 groups of 6 teams (with 50/50 split of A1 and A2 teams in each group) would provide 5 matches for all involved. With the top 2 in each group progressing to knockout stages, the cup would be wrapped up in 8 weeks. I expect that there would be enough interest to have this televised. We would get a yearly measure of the gap between A1 and A2 to aid in the decision of when promotion and relegation is realistic. There would be enough games per year to reduced each league to home and away. WIn - win. Don't they call it the FFA Cup
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An A league cup at the start of each season would give the profile of the 2nd division a leg up. If there was 12 teams in each of the A league and A league 2 divisions, a preseaon cup featuring 4 groups of 6 teams (with 50/50 split of A1 and A2 teams in each group) would provide 5 matches for all involved. With the top 2 in each group progressing to knockout stages, the cup would be wrapped up in 8 weeks. I expect that there would be enough interest to have this televised. We would get a yearly measure of the gap between A1 and A2 to aid in the decision of when promotion and relegation is realistic. There would be enough games per year to reduced each league to home and away. WIn - win.
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+xIt's such a relief to know there are so many world renowned, brilliant award winning accountants specializing in the commerciality of sport on this forum.
How could football go wrong. We can't all have PHDs in ethnic studies mate. -PB
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+x+x+x+x+xI have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from. The FFA could scrap the marquee fund, you know the $3 million they had in the sky rocket for Tim Cahill, and grant each club $300 000 each for travel. (Based on 10 teams.) Done. Apart from it's FOX's Skyrocket Amazing isn't it. No matter how many times it's been laid out that it's Fox money and it will be Fox who decides how and where it is spent - there is always a crowd of angry voices crying out that the FFA is failing to spend it elsewhere. I think the best solution is that I take charge of that money and spend it quietly where I see fit. At least one person in the country is going to be happy about it. Pardon my ignorance but don't the FFA have some money set aside for marquees per this article? https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-chief-comments-marquees-hyundai-a-league "Gallop confirmed a host of Hyundai A-League clubs had shown intent to use the FFA’s $3million Marquee Fund to try and lure the likes of Iniesta Down Under."Or is that money they're talking about in that article coming from Fox? Always been FOX money . 2016 its was used for Timmy (well, $500-$750k) 2017 when it was apparent no-one was going to use it, an FFA request which FOX granted was to give it to the Franchises ( 10 x $300k ) for 'marketing purposes' when they were screaming for a higher cut of the new TV deal That was obviously of no use, so FOX have this year only approved it for Honda and Kerr PS your link doesn't work, this does https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-chief-comments-marquees-hyundai-a-league
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+x+x+x+xI have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from. The FFA could scrap the marquee fund, you know the $3 million they had in the sky rocket for Tim Cahill, and grant each club $300 000 each for travel. (Based on 10 teams.) Done. Apart from it's FOX's Skyrocket Amazing isn't it. No matter how many times it's been laid out that it's Fox money and it will be Fox who decides how and where it is spent - there is always a crowd of angry voices crying out that the FFA is failing to spend it elsewhere. I think the best solution is that I take charge of that money and spend it quietly where I see fit. At least one person in the country is going to be happy about it. Pardon my ignorance but don't the FFA have some money set aside for marquees per this article? https://www.a-league.com.au/news/ffa-chief-comments-marquees-hyundai-a-league "Gallop confirmed a host of Hyundai A-League clubs had shown intent to use the FFA’s $3million Marquee Fund to try and lure the likes of Iniesta Down Under."Or is that money they're talking about in that article coming from Fox?
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+x+x+xI have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from. The FFA could scrap the marquee fund, you know the $3 million they had in the sky rocket for Tim Cahill, and grant each club $300 000 each for travel. (Based on 10 teams.) Done. Apart from it's FOX's Skyrocket Amazing isn't it. No matter how many times it's been laid out that it's Fox money and it will be Fox who decides how and where it is spent - there is always a crowd of angry voices crying out that the FFA is failing to spend it elsewhere. I think the best solution is that I take charge of that money and spend it quietly where I see fit. At least one person in the country is going to be happy about it.
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+x+xIf pr is brought in, the salary cap needs to be scrapped. If clubs are gonna be exposed to the risk of relegation, then they should be able to flex their resource muscles to its fullest extent. Otherwise it's like declawing an alpha cat and then hoping it survives in a fight to the death against a lesser cat. Salary cap needs to be replaced by transfer fees. Get rid of the cap (and floor) and allow transfer fees from next year - regardless of whether the CFATINRIL (cure for all that is not right in life aka P&R) comes in.
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+xIt's such a relief to know there are so many world renowned, brilliant award winning accountants specializing in the commerciality of sport on this forum.
How could football go wrong. All it needs is to employ a better Ponzi Salesman I guess that's what the 'New Model' is going to be the tool for
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+xIt's such a relief to know there are so many world renowned, brilliant award winning accountants specializing in the commerciality of sport on this forum.
How could football go wrong. You can do better than that
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It's such a relief to know there are so many world renowned, brilliant award winning accountants specializing in the commerciality of sport on this forum.
How could football go wrong.
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+x+xI have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from. The FFA could scrap the marquee fund, you know the $3 million they had in the sky rocket for Tim Cahill, and grant each club $300 000 each for travel. (Based on 10 teams.) Done. Apart from it's FOX's Skyrocket
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+xI have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from. The FFA could scrap the marquee fund, you know the $3 million they had in the sky rocket for Tim Cahill, and grant each club $300 000 each for travel. (Based on 10 teams.) Done.
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I have to confess, that I was initially against P&R in Australia, because we need to make the A-League financially viable first, before P&R can be considered, but many other posters here have put forward some very strong arguments in favour of P&R.
My only issue with P&R is the cost, how are the second tier clubs going to pay players, and travel costs?, where’s the money going to come from.
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+xIf pr is brought in, the salary cap needs to be scrapped. If clubs are gonna be exposed to the risk of relegation, then they should be able to flex their resource muscles to its fullest extent. Otherwise it's like declawing an alpha cat and then hoping it survives in a fight to the death against a lesser cat. But with Fight-to-the-Death there's no need for Relegation.
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+xIf pr is brought in, the salary cap needs to be scrapped. If clubs are gonna be exposed to the risk of relegation, then they should be able to flex their resource muscles to its fullest extent. Otherwise it's like declawing an alpha cat and then hoping it survives in a fight to the death against a lesser cat. Salary cap needs to be replaced by transfer fees.
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If pr is brought in, the salary cap needs to be scrapped. If clubs are gonna be exposed to the risk of relegation, then they should be able to flex their resource muscles to its fullest extent. Otherwise it's like declawing an alpha cat and then hoping it survives in a fight to the death against a lesser cat.
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+x+xI'd like to see a 10 team league replace the youth league with Canberra, Tasmania, Geelong, Wollongong, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Brisbane II, Adelaide II, Sydney II and Melbourne III
$700k FFA handout ($7m) with each club to attract $500k sponsorship to operate at about $1.2m a year. Semi professional with no salary cap and a 3+1 rule
Only requirements are 5000 seater stadium with ACL lighting and facility requirements met, and $1m capital to prove serious
After 1 year, top 2 teams are promoted and become teams 11 and 12 (A League salary cap scrapped immediately). They will obviously receive $3m from FFA to help increased professional costs. They will already meet all other requirements
After 3 years there can be P/R. An unconditional 1 in / 1 out system. Most likely second tier club in, second tier club out unless A League teams really underperform in which case they shouldn't be in the league
The league can be paid for initially by a reduced payment to A League clubs as they don't have to field a youth league team anymore (and whatever pooled sponsorship it can muster, or even a small broadcast deal). When teams 11 and 12 are promoted they are paid for by the $7m expansion money
When we renegotiate we'll have a sensible and valuable model. No reason our TV deal couldn't double. Whatever small change the clubs use helping to get this off the round will more than come back their way later on
Plenty of $ $ $ $ $ $ to spare. Easy. So clever. How is spent on the salary cap? Redirect 7m of that. That's just off the top of my head
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+xI'd like to see a 10 team league replace the youth league with Canberra, Tasmania, Geelong, Wollongong, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Brisbane II, Adelaide II, Sydney II and Melbourne III
$700k FFA handout ($7m) with each club to attract $500k sponsorship to operate at about $1.2m a year. Semi professional with no salary cap and a 3+1 rule
Only requirements are 5000 seater stadium with ACL lighting and facility requirements met, and $1m capital to prove serious
After 1 year, top 2 teams are promoted and become teams 11 and 12 (A League salary cap scrapped immediately). They will obviously receive $3m from FFA to help increased professional costs. They will already meet all other requirements
After 3 years there can be P/R. An unconditional 1 in / 1 out system. Most likely second tier club in, second tier club out unless A League teams really underperform in which case they shouldn't be in the league
The league can be paid for initially by a reduced payment to A League clubs as they don't have to field a youth league team anymore (and whatever pooled sponsorship it can muster, or even a small broadcast deal). When teams 11 and 12 are promoted they are paid for by the $7m expansion money
When we renegotiate we'll have a sensible and valuable model. No reason our TV deal couldn't double. Whatever small change the clubs use helping to get this off the round will more than come back their way later on
Plenty of $ $ $ $ $ $ to spare. Easy. So clever.
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+x+x+x+x+xI'd like to see a 10 team league replace the youth league with Canberra, Tasmania, Geelong, Wollongong, North Queensland, Gold Coast, Brisbane II, Adelaide II, Sydney II and Melbourne III
$700k FFA handout ($7m) with each club to attract $500k sponsorship to operate at about $1.2m a year. Semi professional with no salary cap and a 3+1 rule
Only requirements are 5000 seater stadium with ACL lighting and facility requirements met, and $1m capital to prove serious
After 1 year, top 2 teams are promoted and become teams 11 and 12 (A League salary cap scrapped immediately). They will obviously receive $3m from FFA to help increased professional costs. They will already meet all other requirements
After 3 years there can be P/R. An unconditional 1 in / 1 out system. Most likely second tier club in, second tier club out unless A League teams really underperform in which case they shouldn't be in the league
The league can be paid for initially by a reduced payment to A League clubs as they don't have to field a youth league team anymore (and whatever pooled sponsorship it can muster, or even a small broadcast deal). When teams 11 and 12 are promoted they are paid for by the $7m expansion money
When we renegotiate we'll have a sensible and valuable model. No reason our TV deal couldn't double. Whatever small change the clubs use helping to get this off the round will more than come back their way later on
oh yes, more designated franchises Why do these ideas all include "handouts" from the FFA? That shit is done and dusted. Where did it say it had to be franchises? OK, I'll rephrase A designated geographical area where 1, and only 1, 'lucky' football related entity will be given the commercially pre-determined right to operate within the 2nd Division. I wonder if they'll need to bid to join ? The thing everybody agrees on is that a second tier will cost money. So what are the options? Option 1: Tap into Geelong and get Geelong council support / grants as well as local sponsorship and population. Ditto for Tasmania, Canberra, Wollongong, Gold Coast, North Queensland and other fringe regions Option 2: Round up half a dozen Melbourne teams and half a dozen Sydney teams and call it pure football If we were to migrate to Mars we would start by sending a select few people to see if its viable. Then strategic people like Doctors to ensure all resources are covered. And finally the broader population A random selection process as a starting point may be fairer but ultimately you'd end up with a planet of 99 unemployed virgin male star trek fans and some fat chick. It could work... but probably wont
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+xCan I ask a dumb question here? What happens to the youth teams if a, say, 2nd div side gets relegated to 3rd division? Do the under 17's, 16's, 15's etc of that club go down as division? (I'm thinking of teams like Marconi and SMFC that have a full setup from juniors to seniors.) Actually who do the youth teams play against, and where, if the firsts are off playing all over the country in 2nd division? What about reserve grade? Where do they play? Its a good question. Ideally you would want the youth teams playing at the level they have the skill at, whether that is 1st div or 3rd div. With travel costs etc its a whole other hurdle to work out. I would like their to be a REAL Y-League with a decent season length. The Y-League would be U18, while an U23/reserve side can play in the HAL2, HAL3, NPL etc. Not much different to know
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Can I ask a dumb question here? What happens to the youth teams if a, say, 2nd div side gets relegated to 3rd division? Do the under 17's, 16's, 15's etc of that club go down as division? (I'm thinking of teams like Marconi and SMFC that have a full setup from juniors to seniors.) Actually who do the youth teams play against, and where, if the firsts are off playing all over the country in 2nd division? What about reserve grade? Where do they play?
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