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Last time I recall the numbers being this low was when Gold Coast and fury were in the league, only thing that’s changed is victory and Sydney fc aren’t rating either anymore.
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+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top
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Bang on bluebird - the concept of the salary cap is stuffed in it's current incarnation.
It's not working to 'equalise' the competition because the top clubs are spending an order of magnitude more on wages than the bottom clubs. There are so many holes in the salary cap regulations that it looks like Swiss cheese - Sydney FC and Victory (and Perth this season) are clearly spending a dickload more than the Nix, Roar and Adelaide. Remember when City were spending close to $10 million on salaries a few seasons ago? When you look at the ladder, it shows clearly this is the case. So, as an equalisation measure, it's not working.
As a measure to protect against financial insolvency, it's also not working because, even with the lowest salary cap in THE COUNTRY, clubs are still not making money! We've still had clubs not paying superannuation (or simply not paying wages). As mentioned earlier, we've also had a dickload of clubs go insolvent - despite the regulations in place. So, it's not working as a financial buffer either for clubs.
If the FFA or the new independent A-League is dead serious about the competition, they need to stop artificially tying clubs hands behind their backs. If they're serious about protecting clubs from financial insolvency, then introduce Financial Fair Play (FFP). This allows clubs to spend within their means - in addition to FFP, the FFA need to actually turn the franchises into proper clubs, and hand over all image rights to them. This allows clubs to market themselves however they see fit, and see the fruits of their labour. The important thing about FFP however, is that it allows clubs to be as big or as small as they choose to be, not what the FFA thinks they should be.
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+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top We're not talking salary cap. We're talking promotion and relegation. Promotion and relegation will deliver smaller crowds and smaller t.v ratings. That is just factual.
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+x+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top We're not talking salary cap. We're talking promotion and relegation. Promotion and relegation will deliver smaller crowds and smaller t.v ratings. That is just factual. You didn't debunk any of BB's points and provided zero reasons for why you think P/R will deliver lower crowds/ratings, now you wanna talk about "that is just factual"
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bluebird
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+x+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top We're not talking salary cap. We're talking promotion and relegation. Promotion and relegation will deliver smaller crowds and smaller t.v ratings. That is just factual. No salary cap and P/R go hand in hand A league without a salary cap and a single tier isnt an immediate recipe for disaster. We saw this with the J League and K League. But it requires a proper expansion plan with eventual P/R P/R is a low cost solution to help our big clubs grow, which will attract bigger interest, which in turn will see money filter down and the bottom clubs will grow The alternate strategy of holding back the biggest clubs to the level the smallest club can afford... well.... cant argue with the metrics
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+x+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top We're not talking salary cap. We're talking promotion and relegation. Promotion and relegation will deliver smaller crowds and smaller t.v ratings. That is just factual. Facts: Australia got beaten by an amateur side.
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+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Seems like just about everyone on here watching the Asian Cup is doing so on Kayo according to the match threads, myself included, so I'm not so sure about that. The reason people pirate content isn't because we're theives, it's because the alternative is too much hassle or an unfair value prospect, nobody wants to pay for a whole Foxtel package when you just want the sports, especially as we all have Netflix now. Looks like they've finally learned their lesson and Kayo has answered this question, might be a bit of a game changer in terms of numbers of eyeballs watching legitimately and hence the rights value.
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+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Seems like just about everyone on here watching the Asian Cup is doing so on Kayo according to the match threads, myself included, so I'm not so sure about that. The reason people pirate content isn't because we're theives, it's because the alternative is too much hassle or an unfair value prospect, nobody wants to pay for a whole Foxtel package when you just want the sports, especially as we all have Netflix now. Looks like they've finally learned their lesson and Kayo has answered this question, might be a bit of a game changer in terms of numbers of eyeballs watching legitimately and hence the rights value. The entire Foxtel business model is in jeopardy. The fact that News Corp (who have monopolistic tendencies) are thinking about flicking Foxtel shows how dire it is. Kayo might stem the bleeding but sport as a whole need to think about breaking this dependency on Foxtel.
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mcy v new 42k
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walnuts
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+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Seems like just about everyone on here watching the Asian Cup is doing so on Kayo according to the match threads, myself included, so I'm not so sure about that. The reason people pirate content isn't because we're theives, it's because the alternative is too much hassle or an unfair value prospect, nobody wants to pay for a whole Foxtel package when you just want the sports, especially as we all have Netflix now. Looks like they've finally learned their lesson and Kayo has answered this question, might be a bit of a game changer in terms of numbers of eyeballs watching legitimately and hence the rights value. The entire Foxtel business model is in jeopardy. The fact that News Corp (who have monopolistic tendencies) are thinking about flicking Foxtel shows how dire it is. Kayo might stem the bleeding but sport as a whole need to think about breaking this dependency on Foxtel. i like what the NBA and NFL do, and that is control the entire production and distribution of the broadcast. Admittedly we're a much smaller proposition when it comes to those competitions, but there are certain advantages to controlling the broadcast at the source. Then the FFA can sell streaming directly, offer a finished product to sell to FTA and overseas etc. Then we're not always dependent on the traditional sources of sports money.
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+x+x+x+x+xYou have to factor in something for Foxtel Kayo and the MyFootball App. There’s no doubt Football is losing viewers but how many is an unknown question without knowing the streaming numbers. 1-5k were on Foxtel GO and it’s not unreasonable to assume there’s 3x or more now streaming on the new platforms. Unfortunately streaming numbers typically remain commercial-in-confidence so doubt we’ll ever know. The value of the next broadcast deal though will have to maximise FTA, Pay TV and streaming instead of relying on Fox to do the deals. I doubt many would be streaming to be fair. Don't hold your breath. Enjoy the sun while you can. Pro rel will be our saviour. When you say "Pro rel will be our saviour", what do you mean? If you mean that it will increase viewership and attendance, you are 100% incorrect. Whilst promotion and relegation will be good from a 'sporting merits' perspective, the impacts it WILL have will be as follows: Lower average attendances at matches. Lower average viewership on t.v or whatever broadcast. Simple Current: 17k, 14k, 11k, 11k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 9k, 7k, 6k Remove cap to introduce big teams and have P/R so the league doesnt go stale 25k, 20k, 20k, 17k, 15k, 12k, 12k, 8k, 8k, 6k And that doesnt take into account instances like the time CCM were having a similar season but had an average closer to 9k because of big home games when WSW came to visit. We see that in the premier league all the time Attendances and ratings can only be driven by the biggest teams in the league. Thats how averages work. P/R isnt about improving the bottom. Its about improving the top We're not talking salary cap. We're talking promotion and relegation. Promotion and relegation will deliver smaller crowds and smaller t.v ratings. That is just factual. Particularly if ex NSL mono ethnic community clubs get in as proven in the NSL. It was a failure. Fact also.
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Yes those mono ethnic clubs even though the rating south got against Sydney fc in ffa cup is bigger than 90% of this seasons games.
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“I like what the NBA and NFL do, and that is control the entire production and distribution of the broadcast. Admittedly we're a much smaller proposition when it comes to those competitions, but there are certain advantages to controlling the broadcast at the source. Then the FFA can sell streaming directly, offer a finished product to sell to FTA and overseas etc. Then we're not always dependent on the traditional sources of sports money”
THIS ^ from Walnuts
(wont let me reply in-line)
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#WSWvWEL <27k Paw patrol killing it again knocking the al out of the top 20.
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| 8 | LIVE: A-LEAGUE RND 12 ADELAIDE V MELB V | FOX SPORTS 505 | 44,000 |
| 14 | LIVE: A-LEAGUE ROUND 12 PERTH V SYDNEY | FOX SPORTS 505 | 36,000 |
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+x| 8 | LIVE: A-LEAGUE RND 12 ADELAIDE V MELB V | FOX SPORTS 505 | 44,000 |
| 14 | LIVE: A-LEAGUE ROUND 12 PERTH V SYDNEY | FOX SPORTS 505 | 36,000 |
THAT'S good news the perth vs sydney was competing with japan playing asian cup as well
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southmelb
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25-45k seems to be the average now with many broadcasts not even cracking the top 20 anymore. Not sure what they can do now especially bbl up against it every night.
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+xYes those mono ethnic clubs even though the rating south got against Sydney fc in ffa cup is bigger than 90% of this seasons games. People who say FACT without any evidence are just throwing ash in our eyes.
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City v Brisbane 39k
Phoenix v CCM 18k
Victory v Jets 31k
With the top 6 already done and dusted in round 13 the next few months will be very interesting.
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Syd v adl 39k
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is it just me or our ratings improving a bit we are getting 42k against the cricket
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Looking at the TV ratings this season and the hugely busy sports schedule we have in December and January these days... should we consider altering our season to bring us in line with Asia?
For Example, start the season in February. Play 13 games from Mid Feb to Mid May. Then have a mid season break (you can run the FFA Cup in this time). then play the final 14 games and 3 week finals series from Mid August to Mid December, culminating with the Grand Final on the weekend before Xmas.
Pro's: You still get clear air for the first 5-6 weeks before AFL/NRL starts, and the culmination of the season also occurs in a quieter time in the sports calendar. ACL group stages don't clash with the end of the HAL season.
Con's: Its a bit more of a clash with AFL/NRL and the season is not played over the school holidays and warmer months of the year. the Rugby codes will ruin many of the pitches and could cause stadium availability issues.
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+xLooking at the TV ratings this season and the hugely busy sports schedule we have in December and January these days... should we consider altering our season to bring us in line with Asia? For Example, start the season in February. Play 13 games from Mid Feb to Mid May. Then have a mid season break (you can run the FFA Cup in this time). then play the final 14 games and 3 week finals series from Mid August to Mid December, culminating with the Grand Final on the weekend before Xmas. Pro's: You still get clear air for the first 5-6 weeks before AFL/NRL starts, and the culmination of the season also occurs in a quieter time in the sports calendar. ACL group stages don't clash with the end of the HAL season. Con's: Its a bit more of a clash with AFL/NRL and the season is not played over the school holidays and warmer months of the year. the Rugby codes will ruin many of the pitches and could cause stadium availability issues. The ratings were poor even at the start of the season. Clean air is an absolute myth.
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+x+xLooking at the TV ratings this season and the hugely busy sports schedule we have in December and January these days... should we consider altering our season to bring us in line with Asia? For Example, start the season in February. Play 13 games from Mid Feb to Mid May. Then have a mid season break (you can run the FFA Cup in this time). then play the final 14 games and 3 week finals series from Mid August to Mid December, culminating with the Grand Final on the weekend before Xmas. Pro's: You still get clear air for the first 5-6 weeks before AFL/NRL starts, and the culmination of the season also occurs in a quieter time in the sports calendar. ACL group stages don't clash with the end of the HAL season. Con's: Its a bit more of a clash with AFL/NRL and the season is not played over the school holidays and warmer months of the year. the Rugby codes will ruin many of the pitches and could cause stadium availability issues. The ratings were poor even at the start of the season. Clean air is an absolute myth. Yep - gotta stop worrying about what the others do. The change to winter will also benefit by being able to play more games at earlier timeslots (imagine 1pm kickoffs? Would be amazing!) - games north of Brisbane will also be better simply because you don't deal with the threat of torrential rain and thunderstorms throughout the warmer months. Could see the return of a Townsville team and maybe even teams in Cairns and Darwin. All possible with a switch to a winter season. Venue and surface condition would be a big problem but, part of me thinks fuck it, force the clubs to find a venue that will accommodate their needs. Doubt many would share that view however. I would also reckon that Foxtel wouldn't pay as much for a winter football league - we're just space fillers in summer as far as they're concerned. If we move to winter, we compete against Australian Rules and Rugby League. So the potential loss of TV rights money would also need to be factored in.
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+xThe ratings were poor even at the start of the season. Clean air is an absolute myth. yeah thats true. I wasn't advocating a change of season btw. i was just brainstorming. i think part of the issue is that 2 TV stations and 3 radio stations have done the cricket this summer (as opposed to 1 TV and 1 radio station). This has squashed Football even further from getting any decent airtime.
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| 9 | LIVE: FOOTBALL: ASIAN CUP: AUS V SYR | FOX SPORTS 505 | 49,000 |
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Ite very alarming that s team like Victory that rarely loses can’t rate either.
I remember when the ratings were atrocious back in the Gold Coast and fury days but at least Victory and Sydney fc games were watched, now the best teams don’t even get viewership.
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The Socceroos got just 49K for its last group stage game in the Asian cup. It was on a midnight but it sure does demonstrate the gaping chasm between Socceroos-at-the-world-cup support and their general support
The Roar v Victory game got 26K. Prime time on a Tuesday night.
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Don't worry. Millions are streaming. We just don't know it.
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