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PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:00 PM
Wasn't it always rumoured that WU's owners were a Chinese consortium? If so, could it be that the current stand-off/tiff between the two governments could also be a factor in the lack of development going on? The FA should be setting a deadline tbh, and if they don't come through: take them out of the league, and bring in someone who'll add something to the league. It's getting beyond a joke really, and you can't expect a squad of 25 players to play their home games in every region of Australia bar the one they're supposed to represent!

Only plus side for the current WU players would be the frequent flyer points they're racking up :laugh:

Ok, bring in South Melbourne.
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PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:00 PM
Wasn't it always rumoured that WU's owners were a Chinese consortium? If so, could it be that the current stand-off/tiff between the two governments could also be a factor in the lack of development going on? The FA should be setting a deadline tbh, and if they don't come through: take them out of the league, and bring in someone who'll add something to the league. It's getting beyond a joke really, and you can't expect a squad of 25 players to play their home games in every region of Australia bar the one they're supposed to represent!

Only plus side for the current WU players would be the frequent flyer points they're racking up :laugh:

Their old investors have quietly pulled the pin.  They left last year iirc.
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soccerfoo - 15 Jun 2021 7:06 PM
PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:00 PM

Ok, bring in South Melbourne.

Tbh, I think Wollongong showed this season that they could handle an A-League franchise with the way the region looked after the Phoenix, so if we were going to admit an NPL side to the A-League tomorrow: they'd get my vote. Provided they have the investors/backing to make it happen of course.

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PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:00 PM

Their old investors have quietly pulled the pin.  They left last year iirc.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for clearing it up :)


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PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:27 PM
soccerfoo - 15 Jun 2021 7:06 PM

Tbh, I think Wollongong showed this season that they could handle an A-League franchise with the way the region looked after the Phoenix, so if we were going to admit an NPL side to the A-League tomorrow: they'd get my vote. Provided they have the investors/backing to make it happen of course.

MvFCArsenal16.8 - 15 Jun 2021 7:19 PM

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for clearing it up :)


All good 
 Even their old sponsor who is a commercial builder left. Hence why Simmonds is their sponsor 
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Benjamin - 15 Jun 2021 2:19 PM
someguyjc - 15 Jun 2021 9:07 AM

Rumour has been - for a long time - that they don't want to spend any money on the stadium until the council and transport authorities confirm they will be improving the infrastructure...  Authorities, whilst supportive of the development have said that they won't invest in infrastructure until it's required - so we have something of a stand-off.  For those who aren't keeping up - the infrastructure improvements required for the stadium would massively increase the value of the land around the stadium for anyone who was thinking of developing in the area...  Allegedly. ;) 

This is actually the most plausible of the various theories about WU. They own a bunch of land out in the west, but its worthless unless infrastructure improvements are made (roads, railway station, etc.), and the government doesn't have that on the priority list. So how do you push them to expedite the infrastructure spend? By building an A-League stadium there! Which is too much of a high-stakes gamble for the A-League to have even entertained, let alone given the green light to.

But now the obstacle seems to be less in the government (since council have given them planning permission) and more in the fact that the investors have pulled out and the consortium doesn't have enough money to get going with the project.
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If their investors have pulled out, it would be better for them to be honest about the situation and to try and plan for the future, than keep the smoke and mirrors going. 

WU have next to no future without their own stadium, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. 

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Heart_fan - 15 Jun 2021 9:57 PM
If their investors have pulled out, it would be better for them to be honest about the situation and to try and plan for the future, than keep the smoke and mirrors going. 

WU have next to no future without their own stadium, so it will be interesting to see what they come up with. 

Honest? Hahahahaha They where pitching this mythical "Werribee Wembley" as being shovel ready 30 months ago.... honest?
Weren't they also reported to "own" a share in Newcastle together with WSW? Maybe they will merge?
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df1982 - 15 Jun 2021 9:39 PM
Benjamin - 15 Jun 2021 2:19 PM

This is actually the most plausible of the various theories about WU. They own a bunch of land out in the west, but its worthless unless infrastructure improvements are made (roads, railway station, etc.), and the government doesn't have that on the priority list. So how do you push them to expedite the infrastructure spend? By building an A-League stadium there! Which is too much of a high-stakes gamble for the A-League to have even entertained, let alone given the green light to.

But now the obstacle seems to be less in the government (since council have given them planning permission) and more in the fact that the investors have pulled out and the consortium doesn't have enough money to get going with the project.

Horvat sure has shut up. All the bullshit he spouted... 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 15 Jun 2021 2:58 PM
Benjamin - 15 Jun 2021 2:19 PM

Council and the authorities won't do anything until they get given a clear plan . All they got was what we got told. They're given wu everything. Council is awaiting on them and vicroads the same

Pretty much what I said...  Authorities won't do anything until it's needed...  WU won't do anything until the groundwork is done...  Dead heat on a merry-go-round.
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Benjamin - 15 Jun 2021 11:54 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 15 Jun 2021 2:58 PM

Pretty much what I said...  Authorities won't do anything until it's needed...  WU won't do anything until the groundwork is done...  Dead heat on a merry-go-round.

Wu need to pull their finger out and build it.  Bunnings didn't wait for new roads when they started doing their new site in tarneit. Council stated that they're not responsible for any new roads as developers need to pay for it. Wyndham used to do it but their budget blew out due to the numerous estates popping up. So all new developments will need to provide it
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 16 Jun 2021 4:13 AM
Benjamin - 15 Jun 2021 11:54 PM

Wu need to pull their finger out and build it.  Bunnings didn't wait for new roads when they started doing their new site in tarneit. Council stated that they're not responsible for any new roads as developers need to pay for it. Wyndham used to do it but their budget blew out due to the numerous estates popping up. So all new developments will need to provide it

It's pretty obvious that's they don't have the money.
You know the old adage that if it's too good to be true..


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Time to come clean WU. The reason no soil has been turned over on their patch of land is because they've lost investors. Just sitting there forever on the hush hush won't cut it.
Ultimatum time for them. 
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At least two parties have had the wool pulled over their eyes by a bunch of dodgy anonymous property developers.
In all probability, as already mentioned by another poster, the anonymous investors are linked to a country currently considered persona non gratis.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 15 Jun 2021 2:27 PM

No info or reports. It could just be my perception but I do seem to recall Team 11 bid was pretty much a no brainer up until the 11th hour and after a meeting of the then outgoing FFA board and a delegation of the "clubs" - and the inevitable will they or wont they announce the two expansion bids before Stevie rides off into the sunset - Duvas Team 11 bid magically lost all govnmt funding and the WMG were announced. 

That is just not true. Yes, the Team 11 was favoured if the stadium funding was forthcoming. But they were never a front runner because there was never any funding towards the stadium. They never received 1 cent and were never promised 1 cent from the government. WMG became the front runner the day they changed from being the Geelong based “Victoria Patriots” bid, to the WMG bid.

PIFA - 15 Jun 2021 7:00 PM
Wasn't it always rumoured that WU's owners were a Chinese consortium? 

again, this is 100% not true. The owner of Birmingham City was part of the orginal consortium, but they were dumped before WMG lodged their bid. They had no involvement whatsoever.

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If the future of sport is streaming, then why would anyone build a $100,000,000 stadium and watch as it is empty while a game is being played in it. 
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Is Staj the right man for this managerial appointment though? He is a decent man manager that is true.
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soccerfoo - 16 Jun 2021 5:46 PM
Is Staj the right man for this managerial appointment though? He is a decent man manager that is true.

Will be interesting to see if he does get the job at WU.

He would be going from one challenging situation to another.
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Heart_fan - 16 Jun 2021 6:04 PM
soccerfoo - 16 Jun 2021 5:46 PM

Will be interesting to see if he does get the job at WU.

He would be going from one challenging situation to another.

He'd want to manage Diamanti & Berisha which is understandable.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Jun 2021 12:22 PM
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Fair enough, you say it is not true so I guess your correct. I recall otherwise and cant be stuffed being petty enough to find the links and stories from 3 years ago as it is not that relevant. OK WMG were the darlings of both MV and CFG... all good. 
As to your second point, yes I am aware that the Chinese owners of Birmingham City pulled out after the bid was awarded but the question has been asked hundreds of times, who is the ownership group of WU now??????? 

Not sure, i work for THE big kahuna and he spoke enthusiastically about Team 11 
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Wenzell-Halls and perhaps Luke Devere?
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soccerfoo - 20 Jun 2021 3:32 PM
Wenzell-Halls and perhaps Luke Devere?

The runout wa they were chasing Wenzell-Halls but hadn’t heard about Luke Devere.

Wenzell-Halls has his moments but still has a fair amount of work to go. Moving to a new club without a manager in place is always a risky move though for any player. 
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soccerfoo - 20 Jun 2021 3:32 PM
Wenzell-Halls and perhaps Luke Devere?

Maybe nobody .....?????

https://www.reddit.com/r/Aleague/comments/o3avht/six_players_have_departed_western_united_aaron/

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Feed_The_Brox - 16 Jun 2021 11:30 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 15 Jun 2021 2:27 PM

That is just not true. Yes, the Team 11 was favoured if the stadium funding was forthcoming. But they were never a front runner because there was never any funding towards the stadium. They never received 1 cent and were never promised 1 cent from the government. WMG became the front runner the day they changed from being the Geelong based “Victoria Patriots” bid, to the WMG bid.

Yeah, it's obvious that WU got over the line because they promised to build a stadium with private money, while Team XI was dependent on a stadium being built for them, without and no govt commitment had been forthcoming.

Still, the problem is that WU have had no Plan B since they've decided that Geelong isn't viable and their stadium is still pixie dust. At least an SE Melbourne side could have, at a scratch, played at Casey Fields with some temporary stands on an interim basis.
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df1982 - 20 Jun 2021 11:05 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 16 Jun 2021 11:30 AM

Yeah, it's obvious that WU got over the line because they promised to build a stadium with private money, while Team XI was dependent on a stadium being built for them, without and no govt commitment had been forthcoming.

Still, the problem is that WU have had no Plan B since they've decided that Geelong isn't viable and their stadium is still pixie dust. At least an SE Melbourne side could have, at a scratch, played at Casey Fields with some temporary stands on an interim basis.

Agree. It’s just hard to see what WU can do next. 

If they can play at Somers Street next season that would at least be a football specific venue, but ultimately it’s a fairly long way from their core target market further out in the west, and the venue has next to no PT access.

I know they keep saying they represent everyone from the Westgate to the Western region of Victoria, but as Wyndham is where they keep telling us the stadium will go, they need to put more effort into actually making a commitment to that area. 

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Heart_fan - 21 Jun 2021 12:24 AM
df1982 - 20 Jun 2021 11:05 PM

Agree. It’s just hard to see what WU can do next. 

If they can play at Somers Street next season that would at least be a football specific venue, but ultimately it’s a fairly long way from their core target market further out in the west, and the venue has next to no PT access.

I know they keep saying they represent everyone from the Westgate to the Western region of Victoria, but as Wyndham is where they keep telling us the stadium will go, they need to put more effort into actually making a commitment to that area. 

That's what I keep posting on their Facebook page and they keep deleting it. 
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Heart_fan - 21 Jun 2021 12:24 AM

That's what I keep posting on their Facebook page and they keep deleting it. 

Good to see that at least someone at the "club" is still employed. hahahahahahah
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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Jun 2021 2:42 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 21 Jun 2021 8:08 AM

Good to see that at least someone at the "club" is still employed. hahahahahahah

And good at defending put them in central defence 
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I just read on another forum that the WU office is actually closed up and empty,

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bettega - 21 Jun 2021 2:56 PM
I just read on another forum that the WU office is actually closed up and empty,

Yeah, they closed it during the peak lockdowns in Vic last year. No reason to have an office if the staff can't actually use it.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 21 Jun 2021 2:42 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 21 Jun 2021 8:08 AM

Good to see that at least someone at the "club" is still employed. hahahahahahah

Well the social media person is an mv fan who applied for the job.  
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