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soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM
tomw - 3 May 2022 10:15 AM

Geelong never embraced WU because they had their own bid.

Caroline Springs have no excuse to not support WU. Caroline Springs are closer to Ballarat then Geelong and are a suburb of Melbourne's West as is Tarneit.
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Stenson - 3 May 2022 5:40 PM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM

Caroline Springs have no excuse to not support WU. Caroline Springs are closer to Ballarat then Geelong and are a suburb of Melbourne's West as is Tarneit.

Actually the same distance as Ballarat, they are west so why have they not embrased WU? Like to hear from someone from Caroline Springs.
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soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM
tomw - 3 May 2022 10:15 AM

Geelong never embraced WU because they had their own bid.

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The Geelong bid morphed into the WU bid to encompass the whole of West Victoria. Or it tried too. Meekly. 

Steve Horvat is the common link. He initiated the first Geelong bid. 
And no doubt he swayed them to use Geelong as the base initially. 

Why would Geelong embrace WU. 

The plan was WU base themselves there in the early years and then move to Tarneit. 
Why would anyone from Geelong embrace a club that is leaving in a couple of years ? Ended being earlier anyway. 

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Butler99 - 3 May 2022 5:53 PM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM

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The Geelong bid morphed into the WU bid to encompass the whole of West Victoria. Or it tried too. Meekly. 

Steve Horvat is the common link. He initiated the first Geelong bid. 
And no doubt he swayed them to use Geelong as the base initially. 

Why would Geelong embrace WU. 

The plan was WU base themselves there in the early years and then move to Tarneit. 
Why would anyone from Geelong embrace a club that is leaving in a couple of years ? Ended being earlier anyway. 

Agreed that WU were only going to play temporarily in Geelong. So why did the Caroline Springs people not embrace the team from their geography then? 
Not that many Football people there it certainly looks like. Afl saturation.
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soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 7:31 PM
Butler99 - 3 May 2022 5:53 PM

Agreed that WU were only going to play temporarily in Geelong. So why did the Caroline Springs people not embrace the team from their geography then? 
Not that many Football people there it certainly looks like. Afl saturation.

Caroline Springs is just a suburb on the outskirts of Melbourne. 
It's not a regional town or anything. 
Although it is a growing area with estates popping up everywhere. 
There probably would be a few fans from there. 

But all WU did was train there and play a few preseason games. And only now playing NPL home games there with the NPL team still training there. While the A-league team has moved there training base to Tullamarine. Renting off the Essendon bombers. 
So paying an AFL club a couple of hundred thousand $$$ instead of a football club. 
Similar to paying AFL venues to play games instead of using existing football structure. 

Probably not a great way of endearing themselves tot eh western suburbs football community. Wandering around like they're too good for everyone else. 
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Stenson - 3 May 2022 5:40 PM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM

Caroline Springs have no excuse to not support WU. Caroline Springs are closer to Ballarat then Geelong and are a suburb of Melbourne's West as is Tarneit.

Ya just couldn't make thus stuff up. 
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Butler99 - 3 May 2022 7:50 PM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 7:31 PM

Caroline Springs is just a suburb on the outskirts of Melbourne. 
It's not a regional town or anything. 
Although it is a growing area with estates popping up everywhere. 
There probably would be a few fans from there. 

But all WU did was train there and play a few preseason games. And only now playing NPL home games there with the NPL team still training there. While the A-league team has moved there training base to Tullamarine. Renting off the Essendon bombers. 
So paying an AFL club a couple of hundred thousand $$$ instead of a football club. 
Similar to paying AFL venues to play games instead of using existing football structure. 

Probably not a great way of endearing themselves tot eh western suburbs football community. Wandering around like they're too good for everyone else. 

This pretty much. That and wu burnt the georgies . They basically took over their club and made them take down anything to do with the st George Cross name.  Once eu had a better offer from the bombers they burnt their bridges with them. 
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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 3 May 2022 8:01 PM
Butler99 - 3 May 2022 7:50 PM

This pretty much. That and wu burnt the georgies . They basically took over their club and made them take down anything to do with the st George Cross name.  Once eu had a better offer from the bombers they burnt their bridges with them. 

In WUs defence I believe they moved their training and administration bases to Essendon 
WU hired some silly offices in the middle of Truganina for some reason. 

Georgie's wouldn't have been able to accommodate the admin offices there. 

So what that means, is that WU A-league has zero foundations in the western suburbs. 
Probably why they left their NPL team there. 


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MvFCArsenal16.8 - 3 May 2022 8:01 PM
Butler99 - 3 May 2022 7:50 PM

This pretty much. That and wu burnt the georgies . They basically took over their club and made them take down anything to do with the st George Cross name.  Once eu had a better offer from the bombers they burnt their bridges with them. 

Georgies were right to be pissed mate, council basically purpose  built the Caroline Springs ground for them once they sold the old Chaplin Reserve site.... What a crowd these guys used to get back in the days.... Gave us Trimboli and Kevin Muscat and many many other wonderfull Hellas players.... A cousin of mine played in the seconds for them in the late 80s when they were still in NSL so used to go watch them when South wasn't playing... those old Maltese guys where hilarious..... so so so angry.....,, hahahah was great.
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Butler99 - 3 May 2022 5:53 PM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:32 PM

Incorrect
The Geelong bid morphed into the WU bid to encompass the whole of West Victoria. Or it tried too. Meekly. 

Steve Horvat is the common link. He initiated the first Geelong bid. 
And no doubt he swayed them to use Geelong as the base initially. 

Why would Geelong embrace WU. 

The plan was WU base themselves there in the early years and then move to Tarneit. 
Why would anyone from Geelong embrace a club that is leaving in a couple of years ? Ended being earlier anyway. 

Don’t forget in season 1 WU rescheduled games to other venues when it was originally supposed to be in Geelong in the fixture.
By whoring themselves around they lost any core support and traction they were gaining in Geelong by treating the fans poorly.

Why would you put your $, time and energy into supporting a new team when they start playing home games in other states, opposition home grounds and constantly shift itself around when it suits them?
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soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:47 PM
Stenson - 3 May 2022 5:40 PM

Actually the same distance as Ballarat, they are west so why have they not embrased WU? Like to hear from someone from Caroline Springs.

I live just down the road. I was never likely to support them anyway, but what reason would you have? They have played 1 game closer than City or Victory already play. Most of their other games they play further away. If one day they do actually get their act together maybe they'll get support there, but their first two years I would think they'd have lost support rather than gained.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 3 May 2022 10:45 PM
MvFCArsenal16.8 - 3 May 2022 8:01 PM

Georgies were right to be pissed mate, council basically purpose  built the Caroline Springs ground for them once they sold the old Chaplin Reserve site.... What a crowd these guys used to get back in the days.... Gave us Trimboli and Kevin Muscat and many many other wonderfull Hellas players.... A cousin of mine played in the seconds for them in the late 80s when they were still in NSL so used to go watch them when South wasn't playing... those old Maltese guys where hilarious..... so so so angry.....,, hahahah was great.

Those old Maltese blokes probably invented "shoot fark'n"

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tomw - 5 May 2022 10:12 AM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:47 PM

I live just down the road. I was never likely to support them anyway, but what reason would you have? They have played 1 game closer than City or Victory already play. Most of their other games they play further away. If one day they do actually get their act together maybe they'll get support there, but their first two years I would think they'd have lost support rather than gained.

You have a point there. With that training ground that will fit 5k, they at least can lay down roots on they're patch of land and people will notice they settled and not constantly moving around and those in the West or S/W may choose to become fans.
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Stenson - 5 May 2022 11:17 AM
tomw - 5 May 2022 10:12 AM

You have a point there. With that training ground that will fit 5k, they at least can lay down roots on they're patch of land and people will notice they settled and not constantly moving around and those in the West or S/W may choose to become fans.

But a training/council pitch with 300 seats and only 5k capacity is not considered "Aleague worthy" surely? What about the corporate suites, lighting and broadcasting facilities? Its not even good enough for the proposed NSD...... 
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bettega - 5 May 2022 10:15 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 3 May 2022 10:45 PM

Those old Maltese blokes probably invented "shoot fark'n"

Hahahahah probably..... 
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tomw - 5 May 2022 10:12 AM
soccerfoo - 3 May 2022 5:47 PM

I live just down the road. I was never likely to support them anyway, but what reason would you have? They have played 1 game closer than City or Victory already play. Most of their other games they play further away. If one day they do actually get their act together maybe they'll get support there, but their first two years I would think they'd have lost support rather than gained.

I lived in the S/E and now inner eastern suburbs... NEVER stopped following South Melbourne :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 11:39 AM
Stenson - 5 May 2022 11:17 AM

But a training/council pitch with 300 seats and only 5k capacity is not considered "Aleague worthy" surely? What about the corporate suites, lighting and broadcasting facilities? Its not even good enough for the proposed NSD...... 

Curious, where did you read that it will only have 300 seats? Everywhere I've read recently states that the grandstand at the training ground will have 5k seated.
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someguyjc - 5 May 2022 12:04 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 11:39 AM

Curious, where did you read that it will only have 300 seats? Everywhere I've read recently states that the grandstand at the training ground will have 5k seated.

https://wyndham.starweekly.com.au/news/stadium-a-step-closer-3/
Agree, everywhere states 5k seated but the only image I have seen as per below suggests otherwise?

https://wyndham.starweekly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2022/03/wustadium_272544_01.jpg

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Also cannot find Ammendment C254 on the council website ?????
https://www.wyndham.vic.gov.au/services/building-planning/planning-scheme-amendments/current-planning-scheme-amendments

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Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 12:24 PM
someguyjc - 5 May 2022 12:04 PM

https://wyndham.starweekly.com.au/news/stadium-a-step-closer-3/
Agree, everywhere states 5k seated but the only image I have seen as per below suggests otherwise?

https://wyndham.starweekly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2022/03/wustadium_272544_01.jpg

I think that's an older one. This is the image they have been using in the press this year:

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someguyjc - 5 May 2022 12:32 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 12:24 PM

I think that's an older one. This is the image they have been using in the press this year:

OK fair enough, still dont think that stand would hold 5k but... OK I guess well be able to see when the plans are loaded up on council website as to what they are actually building?

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Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 12:37 PM
someguyjc - 5 May 2022 12:32 PM

OK fair enough, still dont think that stand would hold 5k but... OK I guess well be able to see when the plans are loaded up on council website as to what they are actually building?

March 17th press release had the pics that included Rugby markings

Capacity declared as 5,000 but not 5,000 seats

https://wufc.com.au/news/construction-underway-on-regional-football-facility-in-wyndham




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Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 12:37 PM
someguyjc - 5 May 2022 12:32 PM

OK fair enough, still dont think that stand would hold 5k but... OK I guess well be able to see when the plans are loaded up on council website as to what they are actually building?

If a stand goes the full length of the pitch, 105m, then you can fit 175 seats per row ie 0.6m average per seat.  That makes allowance for aisles etc.



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Gyfox - 5 May 2022 1:44 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 12:37 PM

If a stand goes the full length of the pitch, 105m, then you can fit 175 seats per row ie 0.6m average per seat.  That makes allowance for aisles etc.



So assuming there are 29 rows that should hit the mark....  Might get pretty windy for the fans in Row 29 though :)
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Caroline Springs is just a suburb on the outskirts of Melbourne. 
It's not a regional town or anything. 
Although it is a growing area with estates popping up everywhere. 
There probably would be a few fans from there. 

But all WU did was train there and play a few preseason games. And only now playing NPL home games there with the NPL team still training there. While the A-league team has moved there training base to Tullamarine. Renting off the Essendon bombers. 
So paying an AFL club a couple of hundred thousand $$$ instead of a football club. 
Similar to paying AFL venues to play games instead of using existing football structure. 

Probably not a great way of endearing themselves tot eh western suburbs football community. Wandering around like they're too good for everyone else

This about sums my my contempt for this 'franchise.'
They would rather whore themselves around to other franchises and piss people off than do the bare minimum as a football club and connect with a local community. Same as Macarthur
Over 100 pages of this shady shit ffs.


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Butler99 - 3 May 2022 7:50 PM

This about sums my my contempt for this 'franchise.'
They would rather whore themselves around to other franchises and piss people off than do the bare minimum as a football club and connect with a local community. Same as Macarthur
Over 100 pages of this shady shit ffs.


They are at Essendon true but, was there not a backlash to playing at Lakeside, and a demand at Melbourne Croatia's stadium to upgrade the ground whilst the tennant occupies there? They've been rejected by football teams who were protecting they're own patch and I can understand it.
Therefore, playing out of where they are now, being a temporary measure, should change late next season or the next, when WU have an identity at Tarneit.
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They are at Essendon true but, was there not a backlash to playing at Lakeside, and a demand at Melbourne Croatia's stadium to upgrade the ground whilst the tennant occupies there? They've been rejected by football teams who were protecting they're own patch and I can understand it.
Therefore, playing out of where they are now, being a temporary measure, should change late next season or the next, when WU have an identity at Tarneit.

The Lakeside issue was because they didn't negotiate with South Melbourne to play there.

Western then claimed that Knights' stadium wasn't up to A-L standard, until a club Spokeperson said
...to address the claims that the facility does not meet A-League standards, a feasibility assessment on whether or not the facility complies with A-League standards has never been conducted with Melbourne Knights nor has the club received a report on any assessment made by external parties.

Also interesting to note:
The Melbourne Knights can confirm that, over the last three years, multiple preliminary talks regarding Western United’s potential use of our Somers Street facility have been held between club representatives. Despite multiple preliminary talks, an offer has never materialised from Western United.

They seem to think that they are above the NPL clubs and can bully them around, until they were called out for it. All of which could have been avoided in the first place if they weren't like this.

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AyyLeague - 5 May 2022 5:19 PM
soccerfoo - 5 May 2022 4:49 PM

The Lakeside issue was because they didn't negotiate with South Melbourne to play there.

Western then claimed that Knights' stadium wasn't up to A-L standard, until a club Spokeperson said
...to address the claims that the facility does not meet A-League standards, a feasibility assessment on whether or not the facility complies with A-League standards has never been conducted with Melbourne Knights nor has the club received a report on any assessment made by external parties.

Also interesting to note:
The Melbourne Knights can confirm that, over the last three years, multiple preliminary talks regarding Western United’s potential use of our Somers Street facility have been held between club representatives. Despite multiple preliminary talks, an offer has never materialised from Western United.

They seem to think that they are above the NPL clubs and can bully them around, until they were called out for it. All of which could have been avoided in the first place if they weren't like this.

Absolutely
With the lakeside debacle they thought they could avoid talking to South, and working out a deal. The CEO thought he was too smart and made an announcement before confirming arrangements with all parties concerned. 
Embarrassing

With the knights it looks like they just wanted something for nothing. Considering they could play a game at Morsehead there is no reason knights stadium could've accommodated games. 
Even if WU contributed some funds to upgrading the venue, they probably would've spent more playing at Geelong, MARS in Ballarat and AAMI. 

The WU hierarchy have themselves to blame for the continuous travelling circus and any ill feeling they may get from the football community
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Monoethnic Social Club - 5 May 2022 1:55 PM
Gyfox - 5 May 2022 1:44 PM

So assuming there are 29 rows that should hit the mark....  Might get pretty windy for the fans in Row 29 though :)

But not even the spin is claiming 5000 seats anymore

3 sides of the ground is open terrace

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