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paladisious
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+xHaha I've just had a crazy realisation. By stealth and choosing a far craftier path than South Melbourne Hellas, North Geelong Warriors have just been admitted to the A-league!! They'll start right from round 1 playing out of Elcho Park though they haven't ruled out changing the name of the club to Lara Lava FC! We've all been had, lol If only this were true lol
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Whatever happened to local money? Apparently Birmingham Sports Holdings are behind the bid. This lines up with the rumours that the Chinese investors want to pull out because of the slowing property market in Melbourne. https://almajir.net/2019/02/06/bsh-the-australian-connection/
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bettega
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One step closer to uncovering the truth. The fact that to this day, no one wants to confirm who the financial backers are suggests that there's more than a bit of a sniff about it all.
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SMFC and proud
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I heard whispers around 2 weeks ago about WMG having issues with its investors and the payment of license fee to the FFA let alone starting to get their stadium built. If they had the balls the FFA should immediately tell these property hustlers to get fucked. They have no interest in football, only interested in making dollars from the cheap/free land they've somehow accessed from those idiot Wyndham councillors. And now that the property market has cooled and credit harder to access because of the banking royal commission off course they're having second thoughts. Who wouldn't. They're looking after their pockets not what's best for the game here. FFA should hang their heads in shame for granting this shonky bid a license without them so much as a owning a soccer ball. The whole scenario stinks big time. It's a fucking disaster already.
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walnuts
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So, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in?
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+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? Ideally they'd tell SWS that if they're ready next season, they can play. It's not out of the realms of possibility, WSW got done in a smaller amount of time. Canberra or South Melbourne the year after that perhaps? It will be interesting to read what Feed_The_Brox makes of this, he seems to have some inside info on the bid.
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Melbcityguy
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I have not come across anyone that will support this team in real life or the internet
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Burztur
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When a 2nd tier makes sense... teams will be ready to go!
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+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? The FFA rectify their mistake and bring in South Melbourne :)
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someguyjc
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+xI have not come across anyone that will support this team in real life or the internet If you read some of the comments on their facebook page, the only people that seem semi-interested in supporting the club are those that are in the Wyndham City area. Which makes perfect sense as that's where the club will be based in the future. However they want the club to have Wyndham in the name and are not too keen on the proposed names. The numbers are crazy low though. WMG posted the thing about the online poll about the names on the 2nd. It has been shared 19 times and has 89 comments (many are negative). On that interview earlier this week, Horvat said they had received a few thousand votes in the online poll. But that doesn't mean they are supporters, just means people wanted to share their opinion. Then there is Jim Lawrence of course. That's about it though.
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well this is very interesting. WMG are telling porkies it seems. +xI heard whispers around 2 weeks ago about WMG having issues with its investors and the payment of license fee to the FFA let alone starting to get their stadium built. If they had the balls the FFA should immediately tell these property hustlers to get fucked. They have no interest in football, only interested in making dollars from the cheap/free land they've somehow accessed from those idiot Wyndham councillors. And now that the property market has cooled and credit harder to access because of the banking royal commission off course they're having second thoughts. Who wouldn't. They're looking after their pockets not what's best for the game here. FFA should hang their heads in shame for granting this shonky bid a license without them so much as a owning a soccer ball. The whole scenario stinks big time. It's a fucking disaster already. lol. pretty hard to take any of this seriously coming from a salty SM supporter. +xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. +xIt will be interesting to read what Feed_The_Brox makes of this, he seems to have some inside info on the bid. see above. to be fair, pretty much all of the information that I have shared here has turned out to be true. I assumed this was true too. whoever dug this up has done well to put the pieces together.
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+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere).
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bettega
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+x+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). is there a club?
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Feed_The_Brox
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+xI would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). well as far as I am aware, everything is full steam ahead.
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someguyjc
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+x+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). Probably not. As long as WMG are up to date with their license bills and are not in breach of the license agreement then they will be in the comp regardless of the new stadium being built or not. The stadium is not part of the license agreement. When it comes to a venue, WMG are perfectly within their rights to rent a suitable venue for the entirety of their existence just like every other HAL club does. Whether a stadium gets built or not is irrelevant to the license. The new stadium is a completely different entity to the club. It just happens to share the same owner(s). Whatever WMG decide to do with the stadium is completely up to them.
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+x+x+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). Probably not. As long as WMG are up to date with their license bills and are not in breach of the license agreement then they will be in the comp regardless of the new stadium being built or not. The stadium is not part of the license agreement. When it comes to a venue, WMG are perfectly within their rights to rent a suitable venue for the entirety of their existence just like every other HAL club does. Whether a stadium gets built or not is irrelevant to the license. The new stadium is a completely different entity to the club. It just happens to share the same owner(s). Whatever WMG decide to do with the stadium is completely up to them. So you're telling me there's literally nothing to stop any future bid lying about getting funding for a privately built stadium, and then once the license is awarded (on the basis of this promise) they can turn around and play at any random stadium with no consequence? That seems ludicrous.
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someguyjc
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+x+x+x+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). Probably not. As long as WMG are up to date with their license bills and are not in breach of the license agreement then they will be in the comp regardless of the new stadium being built or not. The stadium is not part of the license agreement. When it comes to a venue, WMG are perfectly within their rights to rent a suitable venue for the entirety of their existence just like every other HAL club does. Whether a stadium gets built or not is irrelevant to the license. The new stadium is a completely different entity to the club. It just happens to share the same owner(s). Whatever WMG decide to do with the stadium is completely up to them. So you're telling me there's literally nothing to stop any future bid lying about getting funding for a privately built stadium, and then once the license is awarded ( on the basis of this promise) they can turn around and play at any random stadium with no consequence? That seems ludicrous. Not a promise, just a proposal. A proposal is not a binding agreement and is subject to all sorts of changes for any number of reasons. At the end of the day all the FFA are providing is a license to field a team in the comp. That's it. The building of the new stadium has absolutely nothing to do with the FFA. However, there would be an agreement with the state/local government in relation to the parcel of land. There would be some sort of agreement in which WMG can have the land as long as they build a stadium and related facilities. They would not be able to just build apartment blocks instead. A closed franchise model is always going to have associated risks. A bid process is always going to open to empty promises. No different from political campaigning.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSo, what's the scenario if WMG doesn't get up for next season? Another year of 10 teams until SWS come in? why would they not get up for next season? strange post. I would have thought the cornerstone of the bid - the privately owned stadium - is an absolute must. If rumours are true and this group is pulling funding because of slowing house prices, then this club has absolutely nothing going for it and the FFA is probably within their rights to award the license to someone else (one would assume it's written into a contract somewhere). Probably not. As long as WMG are up to date with their license bills and are not in breach of the license agreement then they will be in the comp regardless of the new stadium being built or not. The stadium is not part of the license agreement. When it comes to a venue, WMG are perfectly within their rights to rent a suitable venue for the entirety of their existence just like every other HAL club does. Whether a stadium gets built or not is irrelevant to the license. The new stadium is a completely different entity to the club. It just happens to share the same owner(s). Whatever WMG decide to do with the stadium is completely up to them. So you're telling me there's literally nothing to stop any future bid lying about getting funding for a privately built stadium, and then once the license is awarded ( on the basis of this promise) they can turn around and play at any random stadium with no consequence? That seems ludicrous. Not a promise, just a proposal. A proposal is not a binding agreement and is subject to all sorts of changes for any number of reasons. At the end of the day all the FFA are providing is a license to field a team in the comp. That's it. The building of the new stadium has absolutely nothing to do with the FFA. However, there would be an agreement with the state/local government in relation to the parcel of land. There would be some sort of agreement in which WMG can have the land as long as they build a stadium and related facilities. They would not be able to just build apartment blocks instead. A closed franchise model is always going to have associated risks. A bid process is always going to open to empty promises. No different from political campaigning. Fair enough. In the same vein, I'm not sure anyone in the wider football community would complain at all if their license is revoked by the FFA if they cancel their stadium plans. This is all extremely hypothetical of course.
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FFA would not revoke the license unless they start going Clive Palmer on us which is unlikely. But they're in for a big battle in terms of having any relevance here.
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They really need the grass roots involvement in selling the club to its demogaphic location. (supporter base) I expect that Wyndham City has quite a few local soccer communities within its huge 500km area If you can engage the local communities well before this all kicks off in the 2019/2020 A-League season, I'd expect there to be a good turnout. They have to embrace it as there local A-League team, and have footballers dream of it being the team they want to play for etc.
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@southmelb Now let’s see. In your words “you heard whispers” a couple of weeks ago and based on this account the world is falling for this new club. Yep, we should all believe a SM Hellas bitter that alleged negative whispers are facts.
In a resort somewhere
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I think there will be troubles with identity if you just name the team Western Melbourne, which seems to be a broad brush stroke , as opposed to an actual specific location. Which people can relate to easily.
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southmelb
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+x@southmelb Now let’s see. In your words “you heard whispers” a couple of weeks ago and based on this account the world is falling for this new club. Yep, we should all believe a SM Hellas bitter that alleged negative whispers are facts. Huh? I never said anything.
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So the name needs to be broad AND specific. As kind of suggested earlier in another thread..
West | Wyndham FC
Whatever that icon is, it appears on all keyboards so shouldn't be seen as obscure.
New club, modern script.
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New A-League franchise Western Melbourne and North Geelong in battle over Warriors nickname
DAMIEN RACTLIFFE, Geelong Advertiser
February 8, 2019 4:06pm
NORTH Geelong Warriors legend Josip Skoko has defended his club’s decision to protect its nickname from incoming A-League franchise Western Melbourne.
The NPL2 club filed a trademark application with IP Australia on Monday, four days after Western Melbourne submitted four proposed nicknames for trademark — Athletic, Warriors, Pride and United.
The Geelong Advertiser is part of a News Corp campaign to help the new A-League franchise develop its nickname and colours.
Skoko, who played 51 games with the Socceroos, said his club didn’t want to risk losing its identity to the new A-League franchise.
“It’s a name we’ve had for quite a while, but not just that, it’s been our nickname for almost 30 years,” the Warriors director of football said.
“When we were growing up, that was our nickname and that’s why it became our name later on when the name had to be changed.
“It’s something that goes hand-in-hand with our club.
“Obviously we’d look at doing whatever we need to do to keep what’s a little bit unique to us.”
But Skoko said North Geelong would be open to discussions with Western Melbourne.
“It’s pretty much in our hands. If we want to really push it, we will,” he said.
“If we don’t think it’s worth it, if we think they should have that name we’ll speak to them and they’ll get it.
“I certainly don’t think clubs with history should be swept to the side and new clubs coming in should be able to do what they like; I think it’s absolutely not the way it should work.”
North Geelong was founded in 1967 as North Geelong Croatia, but was forced to change to the Warriors in 1994 when the Victorian Soccer Federation banned ethnic names.
“We’ve been Warriors for a long time and that’s part of us. I’m not saying someone else shouldn’t have the name, that’s for another discussion, but we’re certainly proud of the name and the part in history it has to do with us,” Skoko said.
“I just think if you’ve got two clubs that are quite close to each other, especially if the new one is coming in, there are plenty of names out there.
“I’m sure they can find one that will be them and not someone else, I suppose.”
It’s not the first time suburban clubs have tried to fight the Australian powerhouses.
Spotswood club Melbourne City was involved in a naming rights dispute in 2014 when A-League franchise Melbourne Heart was bought out by English Premier League giant Manchester City.
Skoko said club identity was a huge issue in Australian soccer.
“A lot of us clubs were stripped of our identities way back when we weren’t allowed to put our own names that we wanted to on, which wasn’t great,” he said.
“Of course, that was part of the reason why we played football — strong community — and we’d like to think going forward, as well as in the past, we can tie that in closely to who we are.”
Western Melbourne will join the A-League this year, using GMHBA Stadium as its home ground until a new stadium and training centre is built in Tarneit. https://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/sport/local-sport/new-aleague-franchise-western-melbourne-warned-off-warriors-nickname-by-north-geelong/news-story/7a6743d26aa39ef044a4e962ef795ba3?fbclid=IwAR3Q6VvqweCSYWVzCALyPwzWSguDyoppGVji_b0C62S1IXKKtc4HZOr-faE
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+xNew A-League franchise Western Melbourne and North Geelong in battle over Warriors nickname
Obvious solution is just handing WMG's licence to North Geelong Warriors lol
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Hope they don't go with Warriors. That's what the Tele nupties call WSW sometimes :)
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