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Melbcityguy - 22 Nov 2020 6:55 AM
charlied - 21 Nov 2020 10:22 PM

Basically this they have no presence in the west 

They do . Its small but they do.  They actually have wu flags in werribee and in surrounding areas and in most of west. Sadly their offices and merch store is still empty
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charlied - 21 Nov 2020 10:22 PM
bettega - 21 Nov 2020 11:42 AM

Greenlighting WU was the worst decision that FFA ever made, and that's saying something. 

Basically this they have no presence in the west 
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df1982 - 21 Nov 2020 11:48 PM
The Dandenong bid would have been so much better in so many ways. That's probably the one part of Melbourne that is an untapped market. And they could have played in Casey Fields until the council's stadium was ready.

Western United may come good in the long run, when the western suburbs of Melbourne is filled in with housing, but that's a decades-long process and there's no guarantee they'll make it till then. Should just stick with Whitten Oval and forget about any other grounds until their own one is built.
WU's upcoming training facilities are promising.
The main field could hold afew thousand to start with I believe.
The Dandenong bid didn't have a stadium eiher.
Using Casey fields is like WU using Whitten Oval.
Melbourne on the other hand should by rights 
Be able to carry two football teams easily with all the football people down south.
Its just that they support their Npl teams but choose not to join the A League and support Melbourne City for instance, seeing as they are in the top flight league.
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The Dandenong bid would have been so much better in so many ways. That's probably the one part of Melbourne that is an untapped market. And they could have played in Casey Fields until the council's stadium was ready.

Western United may come good in the long run, when the western suburbs of Melbourne is filled in with housing, but that's a decades-long process and there's no guarantee they'll make it till then. Should just stick with Whitten Oval and forget about any other grounds until their own one is built.
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soccerfoo - 21 Nov 2020 11:19 PM
WU also went awfully close to winning first up, hardly any teams own their stadiums in Australian pro sports. As lomg as WU play in a purpose sized stadium, its perfect whether it be in Wyndham, Werribee, Tarneit wherever. What really matters is Poi Bo's social media platform and Besart's stern look before a match.

Werribee and tarneit are in Wyndham.  Its the local council. 
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WU also went awfully close to winning first up, hardly any teams own their stadiums in Australian pro sports. As lomg as WU play in a purpose sized stadium, its perfect whether it be in Wyndham, Werribee, Tarneit wherever. What really matters is Poi Bo's social media platform and Besart's stern look before a match.
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Wu will spin this . First theyll blame mv and mc . Then aami.  Then try to blame the afc and wyndham council 

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charlied - 21 Nov 2020 10:22 PM
bettega - 21 Nov 2020 11:42 AM

Greenlighting WU was the worst decision that FFA ever made, and that's saying something. 

There have certainly been a few absoloute shockers, I'm not sure i'm ready to place this top yet but geez we're going to be potentially stuck with these shit melbourne teams for generations. 

What a shitshow.

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bettega - 21 Nov 2020 11:42 AM
Butler99 - 21 Nov 2020 8:42 AM

The idea that a new Melbourne team could have its own catchment area was always ridiculous.
I'm guessing the Victory have fans in every direction.
City has tried to capture whatever fan is already not a Victory fan.
Furthermore, the concept of having a new stadium in the extreme outer suburbs is also ridiculous.
The FFA had the very best solution staring them in the face:  South Melbourne playing in South Melbourne.

Greenlighting WU was the worst decision that FFA ever made, and that's saying something. 
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Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahaha  1 season..., it took them 1 season?   Hahahahahahahahah  and people act suprised? Hahahahahaha 
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paladisious - 21 Nov 2020 6:22 AM
I guess the AFC would let us off the hook on that one if we trotted out the covid excuse due to the need for social distancing, but what about the year after next when the pandemic is over and WU still haven't gotten their act together?

I think that's the main reason they want AAMI, cause of Covid. News was they planned to use Whittan Oval, Knights stadium and possibly the oval in Werribee for a few matches each, but due to covid restrictions. It probably costs more then they will make to use these locations needing covid safety measures to be set up.
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paladisious - 21 Nov 2020 6:22 AM
I guess the AFC would let us off the hook on that one if we trotted out the covid excuse due to the need for social distancing, but what about the year after next when the pandemic is over and WU still haven't gotten their act together?

Well then if social distancing has been removed, WU will go to the Western Oval and Knights stadium as they have said.

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Who else will be watching WU matches, if not at the match, in their sluggos then hey?
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bettega - 21 Nov 2020 11:42 AM
Butler99 - 21 Nov 2020 8:42 AM

The idea that a new Melbourne team could have its own catchment area was always ridiculous.
I'm guessing the Victory have fans in every direction.
City has tried to capture whatever fan is already not a Victory fan.
Furthermore, the concept of having a new stadium in the extreme outer suburbs is also ridiculous.
The FFA had the very best solution staring them in the face:  South Melbourne playing in South Melbourne.

Tarneit isn't extreme outer suburb . Its still 30 to 45 mins away from the Melbourne cbd.  If they went say Rockland and or Melton then you could say that. And Melton isn't even a suburb of Melbourne 
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Butler99 - 21 Nov 2020 8:42 AM
someguyjc - 21 Nov 2020 8:31 AM

Not necessarily. 
They did try to move away from kardinia park last year too. Obviously crowds were ordinary and paying too much for ground hire. 

They probably also realised having a catchment area from the Westgate bridge to Torquay to Ballarat to Tullamarine airport is ridiculous. 


The idea that a new Melbourne team could have its own catchment area was always ridiculous.
I'm guessing the Victory have fans in every direction.
City has tried to capture whatever fan is already not a Victory fan.
Furthermore, the concept of having a new stadium in the extreme outer suburbs is also ridiculous.
The FFA had the very best solution staring them in the face:  South Melbourne playing in South Melbourne.

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someguyjc - 21 Nov 2020 8:31 AM
It's pretty clear this attempt is all about getting extra money rather than appealing to their fan base. They had originally planned to primarily play at Kardinia for the 3 years while the Tarneit stadium was being built. Now they don't want to do that. Playing home games at AAMI against MV and MC would maximise their ticket revenue as way more MV and MC fans would attend games compared to other venues. If it was actually about venue capacity and facilities, Kardinia would not be a problem at all. It's all about vulturing money from MV and MC fans. 

Not necessarily. 
They did try to move away from kardinia park last year too. Obviously crowds were ordinary and paying too much for ground hire. 

They probably also realised having a catchment area from the Westgate bridge to Torquay to Ballarat to Tullamarine airport is ridiculous. 


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It's pretty clear this attempt is all about getting extra money rather than appealing to their fan base. They had originally planned to primarily play at Kardinia for the 3 years while the Tarneit stadium was being built. Now they don't want to do that. Playing home games at AAMI against MV and MC would maximise their ticket revenue as way more MV and MC fans would attend games compared to other venues. If it was actually about venue capacity and facilities, Kardinia would not be a problem at all. It's all about vulturing money from MV and MC fans. 
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I guess the AFC would let us off the hook on that one if we trotted out the covid excuse due to the need for social distancing, but what about the year after next when the pandemic is over and WU still haven't gotten their act together?
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The club is a cluster fuck. 100% smoke, mirrors and bullshit. 
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And someone did mention aami has an agreement that only 2 aleague clubs can use the ground. 

It's more to do with AFC Club Competitions regulations. The rule about no more than two clubs in a stadium has been around for a while.


This was posted on twitter earlier.
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Melbcityguy - 20 Nov 2020 8:53 PM
Piss off you were brought in to play in the west and build your stadium don’t break both promises 

And someone did mention aami has an agreement that only 2 aleague clubs can use the ground. 
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Piss off you were brought in to play in the west and build your stadium don’t break both promises 
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Turf war over AAMI Park clouds A-League kick-off

A bitter turf war has broken out between the three Melbourne A-League clubs over the use of AAMI Park just weeks before the new season is due to kick off.

Western United, who are entering their second season, want to play six matches at the stadium.

Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City, who share the ground with Melbourne Storm and Melbourne Rebels, are set against the proposal.

Western United are arguing that in the current coronavirus environment AAMI Park represents a safer and more financially viable option than their original plan of using smaller grounds in the western suburbs - such as Knights Stadium in Sunshine and the Western Oval in Footscray - which would require more investment and upgrading to be made COVID-19 safe and to meet A-League standards.

Western United CEO Chris Pehlivanis said that Victory and City are blocking their initiative - even though three of the six games matches the club envisages playing at AAMI Park would be Western's "home" games against their Victorian rivals.

"We just think that it is unreasonable to oppose this at the current time and with the restrictions imposed by COVID-19," said Pehlivanis.

"We are looking to build our own stadium and that won't be ready for a couple of years.

"We had planned to play matches closer to the city so that our supporters who live over the Westgate Bridge but in metropolitan Melbourne could get to the games, but the work required to upgrade some of the grounds we were looking at makes that a financially difficult proposition.

"AAMI is the right capacity where we could socially distance supporters and the infrastructure is there. It's a government-built stadium whose construction was financed by the taxpayer, we are a Victorian club, so I can't see how it can be opposed if it is just a short-term measure."

Neither Victory nor City would comment on what is looming as an embarrassing territorial dispute just weeks from a new campaign.

The clubs have recently taken control of the A-League from Football Federation Australia - the end of a two year "unbundling" process which, in theory, will allow them to act collectively to add value to their franchises, attract outside investors and boost popularity with crowds and potential media partners.

"It's not what we expected when we set out to run the competition to grow the game, with all the clubs working together," Pehlivanis said.

Western played the bulk of their games in their first season at Geelong's GMHBA Stadium but crowds were poor and interest less than they would have hoped for.

They still plan to play some matches - a minimum of four - at GMHBA Stadium and a minimum of two at Ballarat's Mars Stadium in a bid to "roadshow" the club and build a non-metropolitan fan base in Victoria's western region.

“We listened to our members during the off season and the feedback was consistent – bring some home games to the west of Melbourne. However it’s a tougher year than most to plan," Pehlivanis said.

“The challenges the pandemic presents for live sport - the restrictions on capacity and providing a COVID-safe environment made determination of the 2020-21 home ground strategy an unenviable task.

"The best way we can have the most fans together safely enjoying live football is to play at the safest and most professional stadiums possible that will be leaders in implementing health and safety protocols.

“We’re working hard with the Victorian government, venue operators, and the FFA to secure a venue for our home games in Melbourne,” Pehlivanis added.

Victory and City did not oppose Western's inclusion in the league last year because their strategy was to develop soccer in regions outside Victory and City's catchment zone - not in the heartland of the other two clubs.

They privately argue that Sydney FC have not moved into rival club stadia while the Sydney Football Stadium is being rebuilt but found other solutions, and that Western should do the same.


https://www.theage.com.au/sport/soccer/turf-war-over-aami-park-clouds-a-league-kick-off-20201120-p56gip.html

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MarkfromCroydon - 20 Nov 2020 3:18 PM
Still no formal application for amendment to the riverdale structure plan to accommodate a stadium nor an application for a planning permit to construct and use a major sports and recreation facility.
Only application with Council is:
https://eproperty.wyndham.vic.gov.au/ePropertyPROD/P1/eTrack/eTrackApplicationDetails.aspx?r=P1.WEBGUEST&f=$P1.ETR.APPDET.VIW&ApplicationId=WYP12156%2f20

Application is for Bulk earthworks and roadworks, veg removal etc.

It does appear they have informally submitted documentation with DELWP for preliminary ideas.

The upshot of all this is that whilst Council and Western United have done a lot or 'preliminary' work, the formal process of seeking planning permission to construct and use a stadium (major sports and recreation facility) still has not yet commenced.

Do you think its been put on hold because of the slight uncertainty ahead? 
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Still no formal application for amendment to the riverdale structure plan to accommodate a stadium nor an application for a planning permit to construct and use a major sports and recreation facility.
Only application with Council is:
https://eproperty.wyndham.vic.gov.au/ePropertyPROD/P1/eTrack/eTrackApplicationDetails.aspx?r=P1.WEBGUEST&f=$P1.ETR.APPDET.VIW&ApplicationId=WYP12156%2f20

Application is for Bulk earthworks and roadworks, veg removal etc.

It does appear they have informally submitted documentation with DELWP for preliminary ideas.

The upshot of all this is that whilst Council and Western United have done a lot or 'preliminary' work, the formal process of seeking planning permission to construct and use a stadium (major sports and recreation facility) still has not yet commenced.
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elksy - 20 Nov 2020 3:13 PM
Feed_The_Brox - 20 Nov 2020 3:09 PM

Season could be 24 rounds? Have the confirmed the length yet? 12 home games and 12 away? Would be quite odd playing 2 random teams and extra time. Although in our desperate time, an extra matchup for derbies is probably guaranteed.

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MarkfromCroydon - 20 Nov 2020 2:43 PM

what about the 13th home game?

Actually backtrack on what I said, I went onto Western United site to have a read and the following line wasnt copied when it was shared 

The location for the remaining home fixture of the season is flexible at this stage.


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MarkfromCroydon - 20 Nov 2020 2:43 PM

what about the 13th home game?

Season could be 24 rounds? Have the confirmed the length yet? 12 home games and 12 away? Would be quite odd playing 2 random teams and extra time. Although in our desperate time, an extra matchup for derbies is probably guaranteed.
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MarkfromCroydon - 20 Nov 2020 2:43 PM

Western United will continue to grow as the A-League club for the west with a roadshow of home games accessible to supporters of the green and black in metro, regional and rural Victoria for the 2020/2021 A-League season.

United can confirm today that Geelong (GMHBA Stadium) and Ballarat (Mars Stadium) will host a minimum of four matches and two matches respectively.

Six matches will be played in Melbourne, with venue details to be confirmed in the coming weeks.


what about the 13th home game?
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https://www.wyndham.vic.gov.au/directory/western-united-football-club
Council website still not so great at providing information about the Stadium and the A League club.

Good for amateur enthusiasts though.
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Western United will continue to grow as the A-League club for the west with a roadshow of home games accessible to supporters of the green and black in metro, regional and rural Victoria for the 2020/2021 A-League season.

United can confirm today that Geelong (GMHBA Stadium) and Ballarat (Mars Stadium) will host a minimum of four matches and two matches respectively.

Six matches will be played in Melbourne, with venue details to be confirmed in the coming weeks.


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