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Will be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7
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Australia win the toss and bat. Probably only thing they’re winning today
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+xAustralia win the toss and bat. Probably only thing they’re winning today What sort of daggy pyjamas are Oz wearing. I recall Steve Waugh wearing that design. What happened to the all green pyjamas. Please have someone design something approaching trendy for the WC.
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+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250.
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+xWhy. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. Change that to 280.
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+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting
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+x+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting broken record.
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+x+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting Behrendorff is not young but has a very good FC record. However he has not played FC for over a year.
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+x+x+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting Behrendorff is not young but has a very good FC record. However he has not played FC for over a year. Lyon is getting India back into this. There is a reason he has rarely played ODIs.
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+x+x+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting Behrendorff is not young but has a very good FC record. However he has not played FC for over a year. Doubt he and Coulter-Nile will again. Too many stress injuries.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWill be at the first ODI in Sydney today with two more in Brisbane and Melbourne. Once again selectors love a surprise selection just for the sake of it with Carey to open. Siddle to play his first ODI in 8 years and Maxwell selected rather low at 7 Why. Are you a glutton for punishment? A bunch of Test rejects, a very long tail, no Zampa, a veteran with a pitiful ODI record leading the attack. We will be lucky to post 250. 31 overs, 3/150.....Hmm, I can't help but think India is No 2 in ODI's, Australia is No 6, if we do post a good total with "test rejects" and we happen to win, would that be the final nail in the coffin for our "world class test bowling line up"??????????? Richardson and Behrendorff, young, talented, it will be a good test for them, I'm looking forward to the bowling. A lot of questions may be answered. Remember Australia V England last year with Hazlewood, Starc and Cummins, were humiliated 4-1. It will be interesting Behrendorff is not young but has a very good FC record. However he has not played FC for over a year. Doubt he and Coulter-Nile will again. Too many stress injuries. A rare ODI win by Australia. Career best figures for Jhye Richardson. 4-26. Did not concede a boundary. My MOM. He should lead the WC attack imho. Behrendorff also pushing his claims. Lyon, Siddle wicketless. Siddle was.. picked up Kuldeep off his last ball.
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australia have somehow gotten pretty bad at ODIs
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one of our genuinely world class odi players is finch
I worried that selecting him for test would wreck his odi confidence
early signs seem to show that
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we are soooo bad at odi all of a sudden
Our side is seriously unbalanced too
Its the sort of side you select if you think 250 is still a par score
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I just can't get over the lack of urgency from the ozzies here
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there is nothing world class about our odi bowling lineup
...or batting line up
or tactics
or selections
our lack of evolution in 20-20 tactics has meant we haven't kept up with the evolution of odi
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class shot
with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004....
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+xclass shot with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004.... I want Handscomb for the WC. Always maintained it is his best format. Khawaja as well as he brings composure. Agree 30 runs short. Khawaja and Marsh made meaningful scores but a touch too patient.
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+x+xclass shot with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004.... I want Handscomb for the WC. Will reserve judgement on others. Always maintained it is his best format. Agree 30 runs short. Khawaja and Marsh made meaningful scores but a touch too patient. where can we get all oz players list a records for the past month Handscombs list a record is impressive actually
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+x+x+xclass shot with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004.... I want Handscomb for the WC. Will reserve judgement on others. Always maintained it is his best format. Agree 30 runs short. Khawaja and Marsh made meaningful scores but a touch too patient. where can we get all oz players list a records for the past month Handscombs list a record is impressive actually Carey is also on my list. He just keep getting better and is proving a good leader too. Cricinfo should have 2018/19 list A records JLT CUP.
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+x+x+x+xclass shot with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004.... I want Handscomb for the WC. Will reserve judgement on others. Always maintained it is his best format. Agree 30 runs short. Khawaja and Marsh made meaningful scores but a touch too patient. where can we get all oz players list a records for the past month Handscombs list a record is impressive actually Carey is also on my list. He just keep getting better and is proving a good leader too. Cricinfo should have 2018/19 list A records JLT CUP. 3-4. Could have found our WC opening attack.
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+x+x+x+x+xclass shot with shots like that this side could win the world cup in 2004.... I want Handscomb for the WC. Will reserve judgement on others. Always maintained it is his best format. Agree 30 runs short. Khawaja and Marsh made meaningful scores but a touch too patient. where can we get all oz players list a records for the past month Handscombs list a record is impressive actually Carey is also on my list. He just keep getting better and is proving a good leader too. Cricinfo should have 2018/19 list A records JLT CUP. 3-4. Could have found our WC opening attack. That 6 ..inconclusive!
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khawaja reckons its a 280 pitch
we'll see I guess but these days 325 is par on a good batting wicket
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well according to khawaja we are 8 runs ahead of the game
I reckon we are 30 behind
we'll see I guess
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Mitch Marsh 37.3/92.9
David Warner 42.61/98.14
Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39
Steve Smith 45.44/87.21
Handscomb 36.43/86.95
James Faulkner 30.25/91.45
Darcy Short 44.50/112.94
Travis head 36.02/92.9
Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85
Stoinis 35.53/87.12
Khawaja 45.76/86.26
Lynn 36.29/96.55
S Marsh 43.68/80.51
Based on that I'd pick
Warner
Short
Smith
Lynn
Maxwell
M Marsh
Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner)
Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen)
Starc
Zampa
lyon
A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title
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+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix.
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+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. That's why he was rejected, even at a very low minimum retainer, in the IPL, no one would pay good money for him. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do?.. lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. And really only 2 maybe 3 will actually play a game
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+x+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. he definitely has something against maxwell
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+x+x+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. he definitely has something against maxwell Inconsistency, inconsistency, inconsistency.
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+x+x+x+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. he definitely has something against maxwell Inconsistency, inconsistency, inconsistency. inconsistent compared to what though He only has to be better than the worst player keeping him out of any squad and he is
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+x+x+x+x+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. he definitely has something against maxwell Inconsistency, inconsistency, inconsistency. inconsistent compared to what though He only has to be better than the worst player keeping him out of any squad and he is Dont matter what I say. CA wants him for the WC. So he will play. He brings plenty to this format with his slick fielding and handy offies. Just dont put him in an reliable position where he can let us down as he has done so many times over the years. Instead put him as I say in the late order to produce a match winning cameo. He was perhaps one batsman too low last nite.
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+x+x+xMitch Marsh 37.3/92.9 David Warner 42.61/98.14 Aaron Finch 38.22/88.39 Steve Smith 45.44/87.21 Handscomb 36.43/86.95 James Faulkner 30.25/91.45 Darcy Short 44.50/112.94 Travis head 36.02/92.9 Glen Maxwell 33.1/119.85 Stoinis 35.53/87.12 Khawaja 45.76/86.26 Lynn 36.29/96.55 S Marsh 43.68/80.51 Based on that I'd pick Warner Short Smith Lynn Maxwell M Marsh Stoinis/Faulkner (prefer Faulkner) Wicket keeper? (say wade who's the best batsmen) Starc Zampa lyon A side that can go hard for 50 overs averaging about 7/307 including extras. Not world beaters but gives us a shot at defending our title Short and Lynn are liabilities as CA are finding out. Musts for our T20 side. Warner Finch/Carey Khawaja Smith Carey/Finch Handscomb M Marsh. J Richardson Starc Zampa Hazlewood Cummins/Maxwell/Faulkner/Stoinis/ Behrendorff. are in the mix. You are kidding Baggers, Hazlewood again! Not even close. 7 T20 matches 8 wickets Av 34 Econ 9.6. He is useless at T20. He puts the ball in the players strike zone every time. No yorker, pace is perfect for batsmen. That's why he was rejected, even at a very low minimum retainer, in the IPL, no one would pay good money for him. M Marsh over Maxwell???? What are you trying to do?.. lose. Starc I'll agree with but the only bowlers you even consider is him with Cummins, Behrendorff and Richardson, no one else. And really only 2 maybe 3 will actually play a game Get out of your QLD bubble Mike. We are talking about 50 overs cricket not T20. Hazlewood has a superior ODI record than Cummins. I reluctantly have to accede Starc @21 s/r 25 should remain as our ODI leader. Tho I liked what Behrendorff did last nite. To my surprise that was his ODI debut. He has only played 38 ODDs. Mitch Marsh has been pretty good last coupla years. This format seems to suit his game. Reckon in ODI there is room for two all rounders. Stoinis has the better battting record while Marsh has the superior bowling record. Both could win us games. I have not discounted Maxwell. Limited overs was made for his game. I want him in my squad certainly. I would leave him in the latter order as I want him to win us matches as finisher rather than have to rely on him to shape an innings that may win us a match. I still prefer Faulkner as the finisher but due to his lack of cricket last two years he has certainly gone off the selector's radar.
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Turned into a great win. At 3/4 thought it was going to be easy but you also had two of the best one day batsmen ever at the crease so thought theyd make it tough and they got close. Got lucky with Dhoni given LBW off one that pitched outside the line
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Do you think Lynn is becoming a worse batsman because he is not playing FC cricket?
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+xDo you think Lynn is becoming a worse batsman because he is not playing FC cricket? the best short form batsmen tend to be be decent at the long form so you would think it makes a difference
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In terms of ODI their averages are very similar. However Maxwell has a strike rate of 30 more than Marsh, no contest for me Maxwell goes in.
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Australia is on the brink of winning our first ODI series in two years. Reckon we can do it too.
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+xAustralia is on the brink of winning our first ODI series in two years. Reckon we can do it too.
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you know as good as india are they only reach 300 a quarter of the time
maybe having a squad that can consistently get around 290 but lacks power to get the 350+ scores could actually work
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half volley gets the wicket
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selecting finch for the test team has put him out of form
disgraceful from the selectors
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Two down. Finch horribly out of form. Carey not an opener. Hopefully this might mean Maxwell gets a proper bat!
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gee took 8 overs to get 2 for 26 on a road
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Need to copy the template England have and hit big early.
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+xNeed to copy the template England have and hit big early. Add Warner and Smith if he isn't injured to the world cup and we'll be competitive at least.
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+xNeed to copy the template England have and hit big early. Tried that..Finch is in sad form.
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these two are slow between the wickets
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rough over this one
hope we finish well
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wish they'd at least look for singles...
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pretty decent in the end from oz. 11 more than last time
India only score 300 in about a quarter of their games so you never know
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we probably could have gotten a dozen more in the last 5 and a dozen more in the first 6 overs. So 24 short of our best. Will need india to have some bad patches as well
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Marsh and Handscomb look the most convincing of the accumulators
Not sure if we need smith in this format really
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gee that pull shot spooked richardson
wayward the rest of the over
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radar really off today for our bowlers
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that pull for four early on against richardson against a back of a length delivery destroyed his radar. Need to work on his mental strength
nice got a wicket
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get these two wickets quickly and it will be interesting
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Hope CA is not thinking that Marshs white ball form has him primed for an Ashes berth.
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+xHope CA is not thinking that Marshs white ball form has him primed for an Ashes berth. CA selectors don't seem to realize that each form of the game is different finch and the marsh brothers are decent at ODI finch is excellent at 2020 they are poor at test (and the marsh brothers are poor at 2020)
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+x+xHope CA is not thinking that Marshs white ball form has him primed for an Ashes berth. CA selectors don't seem to realize that each form of the game is different finch and the marsh brothers are decent at ODI finch is excellent at 2020 they are poor at test (and the marsh brothers are poor at 2020) Dhoni and Kohli were too good. They are masters at this format. Lyon wicketless and conceding more than 50 each game. Siddle one wicket in two matches and conceding 6 runs an over. Surely they wont be picked for the WC. I want Tye in the mix.
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Finch may still be in the box seat to lead us in the WC.. but if his recent form was the criteria for selection he would be the first omitted. He is sadly out of form. In his last 8 limited overs he has registered 7,27,0,28,6,6. Add his poor Test returns of 0,50,2,11,8,3 and his last few months amount to disaster with the World Cup just a short time away.
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Where are our wicket takers today? India is cruising. We should have played Zampa not Lyon.
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Carey out cheaply again. Hes not an ODI opener and should be down at 7
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6/162 after 35 overs...
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230 all out...
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Australia needs a miracle here...
They're not on India's level... even in Australia...
Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win...
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+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers.
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+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny...
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+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England?
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+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh
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+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. Zampa to replace a quick.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. who is your side?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. who is your side? Warner Lynn Smith Marsh Handscomb Stoinis/Marsh/Maxwell/Turner. McDermott as reserve.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. who is your side? Warner Lynn Smith Marsh Handscomb Stoinis/Marsh/Maxwell/Turner. McDermott as reserve. Handscomb as WK? Its a long tail!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. who is your side? Warner Lynn Smith Marsh Handscomb Stoinis/Marsh/Maxwell/Turner. McDermott as reserve. Handscomb as WK? Its a long tail! Yep Handscomb as keeper. Gives you another option. Richardson & Starc can bat. Zampa's no mug. Not that long a tail.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? How about this for a WC Top 6. Short Warner Lynn Maxwell Finch Mitch Marsh That would actually be more aggressive than England who have 1 player under 100 strike rate to anchor the innings. Who are your bottom 5 You kidding. I would never pick that side. Perhaps for T20. My keeper is in the top 6. Starc J Richardson Hazlewood (if fit). Winter or Worrall Tye. who is your side? Warner Lynn Smith Marsh Handscomb Stoinis/Marsh/Maxwell/Turner. McDermott as reserve. Handscomb as WK? Its a long tail! Yep Handscomb as keeper. Gives you another option. Richardson & Starc can bat. Zampa's no mug. Not that long a tail. I forgot Faulkner in my all rounder mix. I prefer him. But will CA?
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+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. And one has to do both to play like England, its basically they can all go out and hit - cos they bat so deep... Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest.
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+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? https://www.bigbash.com.au/statsTop oz scorers are 1. short 2. Lynn 3. Turner 4. Watson 5. Bailey 6. Wade Biggest bruisers (strike rate with some min number of runs) 1. Daniel Sams 2. George Bailey 3. Max Bryant 4. Josh Phillipe 5. Ben Cutting 6. Marcus Stoinis Honestly its slim pickings part from a couple of potentials there
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? incidentally Steve Smith has been tearing up with the ball in 20-20s surprisingly Perhaps a team of (with list A average/strike rate/ bowling average/ bowling econ) Warner 42.61/98.14 Short 44.50/112.94/40.17/5.85 Smith 45.54/87.21/38.78/5.38 Lynn 36.29/96.55 M Marsh/Stoinis 37.33/92.29/30.05/5.4 OR 35.81/87.11/37.37/5.5 Maxwell 33.25/120.21/38.64/5.38 Faulkner 30.25/91.45/30.36/5.35 Handscomb (wk) 37.05/87.80 Agar 23.19/93.19/34.95/5.05 Starc 14.86/85.34/20.00/4.9 Zampa 16.47/97.39/33.56/5.34 Is a team that consistently challenge England What is England's 1st 11?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAustralia needs a miracle here... They're not on India's level... even in Australia... Pray for some rain or wickets to make this a contest that Aus can win... Maxwell handed India the series when he dropped Dhoni before troubling the scorers. Maybe - but Australia sucking goes deeper than India's batting... Aussie no chance at the world cup even when oh so slow Smith and and Prayer Warner return... just useless right now... The Aus ODI team is a joke - I think Bangladesh will roll Aus... tbh... Australia have fallen so far behind since the last world cup it's not funny... Whats your answer. Choose hitters like England? Aus don't have hitters like England. Comparing Short to Buttler is like comparing a Bentley to a Lada. Aus don't have allrounders like England neither. And even if Aus did have them - they'd still commit on the best 4 bowler strategy under the current regime that negates the possibility. Aus wants to bring a seam attack as its thing to the World Cup - but Pakistan and SA will do that. India is going to bring its top 3 and spinners. So many spinners (Chahal, Kuldeep, Krunal, Jadhav, Jadeja) where 3 of them bat. They also have Bumrah - the best limited overs bowler in the world - supported by Kumar and Shami as a spare. Pakistan will bring spinners Imad Wasim and Shadhab Khan where they both bat. They have Faheem Ashraf and Hafeez as well. Even when Smith and Warner return - Aus is so far behind in odi cricket now its not funny. There is no sense direction of who is to do what beyond Marsh anchoring. There has been no attempt to get batting into the #8 spot. The gap between India, England, Pakistan - even SA to Aus is growing. I don't think there's a quick fix. Aus never successfully replaced Watson, and never recovered from dropping Faulkner. SA is not a contender for mine at this world cup - they're far too weak compared to Eng and Ind... Nothing has changed for Aus ODI in 2 years now - its still try and score 300 - and lose. It's still a bit of Zampa here, and some Agar there. Its still Lynn in and out. Its still Maxwell as the "best fielder" Aus have. Stoinis does a lot of good - but it aint winning games. Once Australia lifts its fielding standards and gets the allrounders back - then changes of winning fortune are possible. Until then - it's rather sorry play to be totally honest. who is your strongest Oz 11? I don't have one right now - I havnt followed the BBL at all really.. Bailey is shooting the lights out i have heard though? incidentally Steve Smith has been tearing up with the ball in 20-20s surprisingly Perhaps a team of (with list A average/strike rate/ bowling average/ bowling econ) Warner 42.61/98.14 Short 44.50/112.94/40.17/5.85 Smith 45.54/87.21/38.78/5.38 Lynn 36.29/96.55 M Marsh/Stoinis 37.33/92.29/30.05/5.4 OR 35.81/87.11/37.37/5.5 Maxwell 33.25/120.21/38.64/5.38 Faulkner 30.25/91.45/30.36/5.35 Handscomb (wk) 37.05/87.80 Agar 23.19/93.19/34.95/5.05 Starc 14.86/85.34/20.00/4.9 Zampa 16.47/97.39/33.56/5.34 Is a team that consistently challenge England What is England's 1st 11? The England is packed to the hilt with runs and SR... 1 Bairstow averages 50 opening at over 100 sr in odi (spare wicket keeper) 2 Roy averages near 40 at over 100 sr 3 Root averages 50 7th bowling option 4 Morgan avergaes near 40 5 Stokes averages over 50 at over 100 sr in last 2 years 6 6 Buttler averages 40 at well over 100 sr - form middle order player of the world for last 2 years - just destroys teams 7 Ali - averages under 30 but over 100 sr 8 Woakes - averages 27 at sr 90 2 (regularly wins games with the bat) 9 Archer - not yet played odi 1 (but a freak) 10 Rashid - lots of runs 4 (allrounder at domestic) 11 Plunkett - lots of runs or Willey - who has T20 centuries 3 (both these guys are allrounders at domestic where Willey opens the batting) 12 Hales - near 40 at near 100SR They're a complete team... they have a spare allrounder and a spare batsman. They can lose any 2 players easy and still be favourites. I have not even considered Sam Curran as yet... Seriously - if they lost Root and Butler - Bairstow keeps, Hales comes in - and so would possibly Sam Curran... They lose Moeen - they bring Leach in... 6 bowling options not including Root... Every player bar newb Archer has at least 3 FC hundreds... Plunkett has 3 - Rashid about 10 iirc.... Archer averages over 30 in FC.... The bowling and batting gets weaker both if they have to resort to Ball, T Curran or Wood, though... But that should not happen once Archer qualifies... It'd require multiple injuries... Easily the world benchmark... By far the easiest team to watch for entertainment value as well... Its been a pleasure watching them play for the past 3 years... England has one problem - Hales, Roy, Bairstow and Buttler all want to open...
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Humiliating from Australia - clearly have no idea to win without ball tampering...
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+xHumiliating from Australia - clearly have no idea to win without ball tampering... I take offence at that
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We need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings
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+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa Shaun Marsh has 4 centuries and 1 50 in his last 9 matches, I think he must bat at 3 and the team built around him. Warner and Smith both have injured elbows and both might not be able to play when their ban ends.
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+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa Shaun Marsh has 4 centuries and 1 50 in his last 9 matches, I think he must bat at 3 and the team built around him. Warner and Smith both have injured elbows and both might not be able to play when their ban ends. Warners 2020 form has been ok and his ODI career is impressive I'd take a punt on him Its certainly incredible but S Marsh does indeed look the best accumulator option above even smith. If Smith knew his job was to bat at 65 strike rate until the end (but still only around 100) I reckon he could be world class anchor
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+x+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa Shaun Marsh has 4 centuries and 1 50 in his last 9 matches, I think he must bat at 3 and the team built around him. Warner and Smith both have injured elbows and both might not be able to play when their ban ends. Warners 2020 form has been ok and his ODI career is impressive I'd take a punt on him Its certainly incredible but S Marsh does indeed look the best accumulator option above even smith. If Smith knew his job was to bat at 65 strike rate until the end (but still only around 100) I reckon he could be world class anchor Certainly would select Warner to open but he needs to be fit. Smith has had surgery and is going to be in a brace for 6 weeks then will need rehabilitation. Warner could be in for something similar.
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+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa I have to agree SOS has earned his spot. Has Maxwell.. 85 runs..nothing significant with the ball and dropped the catch that handed India this series. Had a huge chance to smash open the open and only blew against it. Handscomb is far more reliable. I would love to agree about Faulkner but he has dropped off CA's radar. How is he travelling in the BBL? Are Stoinis or Mitch Marsh better? Only room for one of the bruise brothers. My vote goes to Lynn .. In place of Short I want McDermott. He has a more solid technique than either of those other two and is untapped talent. I want him to play in some of the lead in ODIs to make his case. As for the WC keeper, Carey is the Test heir apparent..along with Jimmy Peirson. Keep him for that. Timmy and Wade both bring experience to the table. Both have similar ODI records.. Timmy gets my vote as the superior keeper.
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+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa I have to agree SOS has earned his spot. Has Maxwell.. 85 runs..nothing significant with the ball and dropped the catch that handed India this series. Had a huge chance to smash open the open and only blew against it. Handscomb is far more reliable. I would love to agree about Faulkner but he has dropped off CA's radar. How is he travelling in the BBL? Are Stoinis or Mitch Marsh better? Only room for one of the bruise brothers. My vote goes to Lynn .. In place of Short I want McDermott. He has a more solid technique than either of those other two and is untapped talent. I want him to play in some of the lead in ODIs to make his case. As for the WC keeper, Carey is the Test heir apparent..along with Jimmy Peirson. Keep him for that. Timmy and Wade both bring experience to the table. Both have similar ODI records.. Timmy gets my vote as the superior keeper. maxwell averaging over 40 at a strikerate near 150 for the series is excellent to go with his career record. One of the first chosen. You can't work your way to 280 anymore you need to wack your way to 350 Why only one Bruise brother? Mcdermott looks exciting as a test player but his List A strike rate is in the 80s. No where near quick enough Faulkner has been decent with bat and ball this BBL
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+x+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa I have to agree SOS has earned his spot. Has Maxwell.. 85 runs..nothing significant with the ball and dropped the catch that handed India this series. Had a huge chance to smash open the open and only blew against it. Handscomb is far more reliable. I would love to agree about Faulkner but he has dropped off CA's radar. How is he travelling in the BBL? Are Stoinis or Mitch Marsh better? Only room for one of the bruise brothers. My vote goes to Lynn .. In place of Short I want McDermott. He has a more solid technique than either of those other two and is untapped talent. I want him to play in some of the lead in ODIs to make his case. As for the WC keeper, Carey is the Test heir apparent..along with Jimmy Peirson. Keep him for that. Timmy and Wade both bring experience to the table. Both have similar ODI records.. Timmy gets my vote as the superior keeper. maxwell averaging over 40 at a strikerate near 150 for the series is excellent to go with his career record. One of the first chosen. You can't work your way to 280 anymore you need to wack your way to 350 Why only one Bruise brother? Mcdermott looks exciting as a test player but his List A strike rate is in the 80s. No where near quick enough Faulkner has been decent with bat and ball this BBL A strike rate in the 80s is good. Means he has the game to steady things. He also has the game to murder an attack. Can we say the same of Maxwell or Lynn or Short. Players with two gears in limited overs are like gold dust. To me Maxwell is like the Durocell man.. when in full flite he is terrific.. all too often he is like the run down battery man. grazor how about we agree to disagree over Maxwell.
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+x+x+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa I have to agree SOS has earned his spot. Has Maxwell.. 85 runs..nothing significant with the ball and dropped the catch that handed India this series. Had a huge chance to smash open the open and only blew against it. Handscomb is far more reliable. I would love to agree about Faulkner but he has dropped off CA's radar. How is he travelling in the BBL? Are Stoinis or Mitch Marsh better? Only room for one of the bruise brothers. My vote goes to Lynn .. In place of Short I want McDermott. He has a more solid technique than either of those other two and is untapped talent. I want him to play in some of the lead in ODIs to make his case. As for the WC keeper, Carey is the Test heir apparent..along with Jimmy Peirson. Keep him for that. Timmy and Wade both bring experience to the table. Both have similar ODI records.. Timmy gets my vote as the superior keeper. maxwell averaging over 40 at a strikerate near 150 for the series is excellent to go with his career record. One of the first chosen. You can't work your way to 280 anymore you need to wack your way to 350 Why only one Bruise brother? Mcdermott looks exciting as a test player but his List A strike rate is in the 80s. No where near quick enough Faulkner has been decent with bat and ball this BBL A strike rate in the 80s is good. Means he has the game to steady things. He also has the game to murder an attack. Can we say the same of Maxwell or Lynn or Short. Players with two gears in limited overs are like gold dust. To me Maxwell is like the Durocell man.. when in full flite he is terrific.. all too often he is like the run down battery man. grazor how about we agree to disagree over Maxwell.
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+x+x+x+xWe need a team that can go hard for 50 overs. Only room for one accumulator to anchor the innings Warner Lynn Smith/Khawaja/S Marsh/Handscomb Short Maxwell M Marsh/Stoinis Faulkner Carey/Paine/Wade/?? Starc Cummins/Richardson/?? Zampa I have to agree SOS has earned his spot. Has Maxwell.. 85 runs..nothing significant with the ball and dropped the catch that handed India this series. Had a huge chance to smash open the open and only blew against it. Handscomb is far more reliable. I would love to agree about Faulkner but he has dropped off CA's radar. How is he travelling in the BBL? Are Stoinis or Mitch Marsh better? Only room for one of the bruise brothers. My vote goes to Lynn .. In place of Short I want McDermott. He has a more solid technique than either of those other two and is untapped talent. I want him to play in some of the lead in ODIs to make his case. As for the WC keeper, Carey is the Test heir apparent..along with Jimmy Peirson. Keep him for that. Timmy and Wade both bring experience to the table. Both have similar ODI records.. Timmy gets my vote as the superior keeper. maxwell averaging over 40 at a strikerate near 150 for the series is excellent to go with his career record. One of the first chosen. You can't work your way to 280 anymore you need to wack your way to 350 Why only one Bruise brother? Mcdermott looks exciting as a test player but his List A strike rate is in the 80s. No where near quick enough Faulkner has been decent with bat and ball this BBL A strike rate in the 80s is good. A strike rate of 80 means you are averaging 240+extras as a team will win you the 1994 world cup but the short form of the game has changed faster than Australia has
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A strike rate in the 80s is good. Means he has the game to steady things. He also has the game to murder an attack. Can we say the same of Maxwell or Lynn or Short. Players with two gears in limited overs are like gold dust. To me Maxwell is like the Durocell man.. when in full flite he is terrific.. all too often he is like the run down battery man. grazor how about we agree to disagree over Maxwell. How decent has Faulkner been? I recall what a versatile limited overs player he once was. No reason why he can not have the same influence again. His skillset should suit English conditions. Seems he has not lost that finishing ability. https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/perth-scorchers-hobart-hurricanes-perth-stadium-bbl-big-bash-league-short-wade-bancroft-highlights/2019-01-18
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why did CA drop faulkner?
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+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary...
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+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side.
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+x+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side. Once back - he helps the tail - but he has to be able to bowl at the death... Noone can put much weight into BBL after Short and Tye have starred in it - and come up so short short in intls its not funny...
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+x+x+x+xwhy did CA drop faulkner? Form... Batsman set for his slower ball every ball making it far less effective, and his batting got found out to be too leg side dominant... he had no answer for wide full balls outside off... He basically went from a superstar to ordinary... Is JF back? Has been getting wickets and runs in BBL.. 3 vital wickets yesterday and finished like in his glory days to get Hurricanes home. Perhaps he is having his second wind. An in form JF is a great asset to an Oz limited overs side. Once back - he helps the tail - but he has to be able to bowl at the death... Noone can put much weight into BBL after Short and Tye have starred in it - and come up so short short in intls its not funny... Yeh. Tye is the big puzzle. Is it the extra pressure? Kane Richardson, Ben Cutting and Ben Laughlin who all have impressive domestic records also come up short internationally. JF on the other hand tops the other three domestically and internationally...specially T20. A good death bowler is the sports Holy Grail.
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Englands last game had
Jason Roy 36.88/105.99
Alex Hales 38.14/99.18
Joe Root 48.67/85.07
Joe Butler 44.51/118.55
Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77
Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31
Sam Curran 20.58/84.20/31.3/5.57
Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37
Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52
Tom Curran 18.88/96.84/26.87/5.62
Mark Wood 6.62/80.91/34.86/5.28
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I think the team I listed is actually better on paper...
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List A average/SR/bowling av/econ
1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3
2. Roy 36.88/105.99
3. Root 48.67/85.07
4 Morgan 38.41/89.7
5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77
6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55
7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31
8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49
9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29
10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37
11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52
The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them
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+xList A average/SR/bowling av/econ 1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3 2. Roy 36.88/105.99 3. Root 48.67/85.07 4 Morgan 38.41/89.7 5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77 6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55 7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31 8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49 9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29 10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37 11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52 The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them Your team does not have better bowling. At all. It has Starc and that's it. Zampa and Agar have repeatedly failed to chip out the middle - Rash and Ali get it done more often than people care to think - including a series win over India last year. Archer is a gun, Plunkett and Woakes have all the experience in the world. And you're trying to get 10 overs out of Stoinis or Marsh - with only Maxwell in reserve when England uses Stokes as the 6th option... What's worse - is your ignoring the intl form of these guys as super dominant - and comparing it to domestic... why? The only player that this is needed for is Archer... Until teams, all teams internationally realise what a pest England has become - just how dominant they truly are - noone is going to pick the right teams to beat them... And make no mistake - England is total pest now... Just look at since the last world cup how far ahead of India they are... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=won;spanmin1=01+Apr+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team6.23 runs per over... and it gets worse if you do it for the past 2 years...
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+x+xList A average/SR/bowling av/econ 1 Bairstow 40.19/103.3 2. Roy 36.88/105.99 3. Root 48.67/85.07 4 Morgan 38.41/89.7 5. Ben Stokes 35.44/97.35/31.74/5.77 6. Joe Butler 44.51/118.55 7. Moeen Ali 28.91/102.78/41.72/5.31 8 Woakes -23.9/89.93/33.36/5.49 9 Archer - 24/121.51/30.71/5.29 10. Adil Rashid 19.88/90.65/30.38/5.37 11. Liam Plunket 20.30/100.76/30.38/5.52 The team I mentioned is comparable at least. Better bowling and similar batting. No need to despair, we have the cattle to win if we choose them Your team does not have better bowling. At all. It has Starc and that's it. Zampa and Agar have repeatedly failed to chip out the middle - Rash and Ali get it done more often than people care to think - including a series win over India last year. Archer is a gun, Plunkett and Woakes have all the experience in the world. And you're trying to get 10 overs out of Stoinis or Marsh - with only Maxwell in reserve when England uses Stokes as the 6th option... What's worse - is your ignoring the intl form of these guys as super dominant - and comparing it to domestic... why? The only player that this is needed for is Archer... Until teams, all teams internationally realise what a pest England has become - just how dominant they truly are - noone is going to pick the right teams to beat them... And make no mistake - England is total pest now... Just look at since the last world cup how far ahead of India they are... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=won;spanmin1=01+Apr+2015;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team6.23 runs per over... and it gets worse if you do it for the past 2 years... Every losing captain says the same thing abut England "they just bat so deep"... They ignore the bowlers are getting it done also while batting deep...
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Comparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england
As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side
Faulkner 30.5/5.53
Lyon 42.81/4.91
Hazelwood 25.15/4.73
Cumins 29.73/5.31
starc 21.44/4.95
Zampa 37.66/5.61
M Marsh 35.54/5.52
Agar 51.75/5.75
Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31
Woakes 33.36/5.49
Archer 30.71/5.29
Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37
Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52
Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77
We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel
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+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. Surely you have realised by now - that the current generation of Australian cricket is at a low ebb - especially in batting. There was a clear out after being thrashed in SL and SA won the first two tests in Aus - and since then nothing has gelled. Not for test - not for odi cricket. This is the worst Aussie crop since the mid 80's. Smith and Warner bans were simply icing on the cake. Darcy Short is an intl joke, an IPL joke - and he is rocking Aus limited overs domestically... So how are you going to gauge how someone will go? AJ Tye again? That worked well v India and England... Heck - the whole world wants a piece of him... I'm sorry to be blunt - but I think its going to take Aussie a long time to get out of this mess. They got caught napping by the rest of the world. And until CA realises they have a huge problem - and they need to do A tours - and lots of them - they're pickled. The worst part is those with some serious talent - like NCN and Pattinson - spend more time in the medical wards than on the pitch.
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+x+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. nope read my last post
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+x+x+xComparing domestic gives a larger sample size. Helps predict how new players like Short and Lynn will do in the long term. Players like Stoinis and Faulkner actually have substantially better ODI than domestic and there isn't much difference in any of the poms records so apart from the players that have played few odis (short lynn and agar) this way of comparing teams actually flatter england As for bowling even if you go ODI theirs isn't that impressive and we can definitely make a better bowling team even if we select some all rounders like faulkner and Marsh. Agar's is bad but from a tiny sample size of 9 games. If we back our best players we can have a better side Faulkner 30.5/5.53 Lyon 42.81/4.91 Hazelwood 25.15/4.73 Cumins 29.73/5.31 starc 21.44/4.95 Zampa 37.66/5.61 M Marsh 35.54/5.52 Agar 51.75/5.75 Moeen Ali 41.72/5.31 Woakes 33.36/5.49 Archer 30.71/5.29 Adil Rashid 30.38/5.37 Liam Plunket 30.38/5.52 Ben Stokes 31.74/5.77 We can beat them, we just have to select our strongest side and back them for a few games so they gel You're comparing your domestic bowlers to your domestic batsmen. nope read my last post I read it. I am saying CA domestic is a joke. Nothing like intl cricket. And England will whoop that team 9/10. England doesn't pick people out of domestic. They pick people out of lions cricket... India doesn't pick people out of domestic - they pick people out of A cricket and IPL (where every game has 8 non Indian mostly intl superstars)... CA has its domestic and rep below intl infrastructure all wrong. Baggers knows it. Mike knows it. The problem is sorting it out. Because noone can agree on the best fix. In the mean time - Eng is winning tests with no batsmen and dominating ODI cricket not seen since Bevan and Warne... SA have a conveyer belt of the best fast bowlers the world has seen, India are now making fast bowlers to go with their batsmen and spin allrounders and Pak is bouncing back - while even weak af NZL is enjoying a purple patch... Australia has gone from a domestic scene where every state 18 years ago deserved test status (I sincerely mean this - that is how strong it was) - to a rabble. An absolute rabble. The problem is - some people still think its strong. It's not. It's weak. 5 years ago I watched the BBL and loved it. For the past 3 years - I don't have the time for that crap. The standards have declined so much - it's not funny. It's junk cricket. When IPL has higher fielding standards than the BBL - there's a huge problem - a huge problem, let alone the bat and bowling... Aus need a miracle to make the semis of this world cup. Eng, Ind, Pak - there's 3 spots, NZ SA Aus Bng are fighting for 4th... SL WI are jokes... Afg is there for upsets... But the typical Aus fan is still probably not appreciating what a threat Bngldsh pose to Aussie... or NZ.... and expect SA to make the semis despite having stuff all batting in today's world... When did Aussie go from S Waugh M Waugh Border Deano Punter Symonds Clarke in the field - to trying to tell us Maxwell and Warner are good fielders? What happened to fielding drills in Australia? Aus needs to do what Bobby Simpson did in the 1980's - back to basics and good fielders - then bat and bowl well... You know why India does the yoyo tests right? You really think Finch is passing that test? Or Khawaja... Lynn's not even an option to be honest... Until CA accept the problems the have with two eyes open - they won't fix anything. Takes being upset and mad with losing long enough to change a system - England did it in 2015 - India did it after 2007 - Aus did it in 87...
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change in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better
Warner +0.7/-1.6
Smith -3.6/-0.9
Marsh -2.1/+1
Stoinis +6.5/+9.6
Faulkner +3.5/+12.8
Head -1.6/-2.9
M Marsh -1.6/+0.8
Average +0.3/+2.4
Now for England
Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2
Roy +1/-1.7
Root +2.8/+1.3
Morgan +0.1/-0.5
Butler -4.8/-1.6
Stokes +0.9/-2.9
Ali -2.3/+1.8
Average +0.9/-0.3
If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage.
If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England
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+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started....
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+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... Grazor is a mate of mine, who I've met up with in person, but I have to agree with a lot of what you advance, Paddles. The stuff you are raising is constantly discussed at games I attend in the Tas Crick Assoc members. Cricket is a mess in Australia and has been very badly run by Cricket Aus under Sutherland and Peever. Pat Howard has also been a shocking appointment from a rugby league background. All they worry about is money. They have made a lot of bad decisions.
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+x+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... Grazor is a mate of mine, who I've met up with in person, but I have to agree with a lot of what you advance, Paddles. The stuff you are raising is constantly discussed at games I attend in the Tas Crick Assoc members. Cricket is a mess in Australia and has been very badly run by Cricket Aus under Sutherland and Peever. Pat Howard has also been a shocking appointment from a rugby league background. All they worry about is money. They have made a lot of bad decisions. The money is a part of it - because the revenue the BBL generates is not fed back into the BBL teams - it goes back to the players by first class - which is fine in theory but not in principle as there's less pro's in the BBL and less quality ones at that. They've tried to make 8 teams out of 6, and not even bring in enough imports... nor pay handsomely to lure more from SA and India...
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+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... What do you see as a way out of this mess Paddles? I for one want only specialist red ball batsmen in our test sides. Blokes who score nothing less than @40 in FC cricket. As for limited overs I have no clue. CA wants to pack ODI sides with hitters but that does not always come off. You have to have a couple of decent time batters as your spine too. I want predominately hitters in T20. Must have one steadying influence with the others smashing around him.
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+x+x+xchange in average/strike rate for the batters I listed (filter 30 ODIs) and recent batters. Positive means international is better Warner +0.7/-1.6 Smith -3.6/-0.9 Marsh -2.1/+1 Stoinis +6.5/+9.6 Faulkner +3.5/+12.8 Head -1.6/-2.9 M Marsh -1.6/+0.8 Average +0.3/+2.4 Now for England Bairstrow +7.8/+1.2 Roy +1/-1.7 Root +2.8/+1.3 Morgan +0.1/-0.5 Butler -4.8/-1.6 Stokes +0.9/-2.9 Ali -2.3/+1.8 Average +0.9/-0.3 If you give players an adequate run they almost always produce their domestic stats on the international stage. If we select our best team and give them a few matches to acclimatize we can beat England No. They threaten to score 500. That's the reality. You're still in denial... Australia is a joke in intl cricket right now... A huge joke... http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18021/scorecard/1119539/england-vs-australia-3rd-odi-aus-in-eng-2018But but but its Smith and Warner not bowling... lol.... The BBL is killing CA standards cos its crap... you dont get it... that's Stanlake, Tye, RIchardson and Stoinis.... Your whole structure is a joke... Until you accept it and sort it out - these scorecards keep happening... tbh... England will smash Australia all winter once Warner and Smith return.... and then the powers that be may wake up... Im betting on it.... In 2016 SL white washed Aus - that's when this started.... What do you see as a way out of this mess Paddles? I for one want only specialist red ball batsmen in our test sides. Blokes who score nothing less than @40 in FC cricket. As for limited overs I have no clue. CA wants to pack ODI sides with hitters but that does not always come off. You have to have a couple of decent time batters as your spine too. I want predominately hitters in T20. Must have one steadying influence with the others smashing around him. To do hitters - teams have to bat deep to counter this. This goes against the entire WSC philosophy of CA since Packer and Lillee - the 4 best bowlers. This is a cultural change that I don't think Australia is really ready for just yet. But will be soon, because Aussies can only take losing at cricket for so long...
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we select the right team we will threaten to score 500 too on occasion
Of course its all academic if the selectors pick a team that will accumulate their way to 280 each time
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CA haven't filled our team with hitters thats what England did with their side
For test yes just specialist batsmen who average 40+ in FC cricket is the solution to at least tread water
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18649/scorecard/1144156/south-africa-vs-pakistan-1st-odi-pak-in-sa-2018-19Look at this scorecard to make a point. Look at the Pakistani batting. Its down to 9. Pakistan is NOT playing its best bowlers by a long mile. No Amir, no Shaheen.... And they would never dream about playing test bowlers like Yasir or Abbas. They're playing 2 ace seamers - and 4 allrounders (Ashraf, Shadhab, Imad and Hafeez). This match is in SA. SA are meant to be "excellent". SA loses just two wickets - and were never in the game. Teams in ODI cricket are getting caught out by allrounders like never before. All the focus is on Kohli's centuries and Sharma's dbls - and fair enough - but for England and Pakistan - its these allrounders that are making the difference just as often but with less headlines and fanfare - because its not centuries and 5 for's... I mean Pakistan should not be winning this series away in SA... and yet I am not surprised at all... and this is despite Phelukwayo and Pretorious playing for SA. The truth is Amla played a losing innings... but noone wants to hear this...
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tye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20
He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140
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+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33.
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+x+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33. impressive comeback after being dropped (I recall him being dropped?) Meanwhile I have a radical theory for how to stop England style batting Perhaps the problem is the bowling tactics are too conservative. When you are defending over 300 you should worry only about wickets not run rate because its easier to prevent someone scoring 300+ than it is to prevent someone going at 8 an over Think about it, even on a road it would be ludicrous for a team to try and score 6rpo in a test match reaching 300 at the first drinks break after lunch. Some teams are reaching 400 at the same drinks break when they probably would struggle to reach 400 batting after five sessions trying to optimize their score If someone attacks you in a test the right thing to do isn't to spread the field. That allows the batsmen easy singles so they can wait for the right ball to attack. The right thing to do is to have every fielder (in and out field) as part of a plan to get wickets rather than slow runs. Perhaps no matter how high the run rate you should always have slips and infielders in catching positions looking for a wicket. It would take some guts to implement mind you
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+x+x+xtye hasn't exactly dominated this years 20-20 He has an econ rate of 8.06 which is ordinary since the average score has been about 140 He did go well in the JLT Cup tho. M: 6 | wkts: 18 | Ave: 16.16 | Ec: 5.33. impressive comeback after being dropped (I recall him being dropped?) Meanwhile I have a radical theory for how to stop England style batting Perhaps the problem is the bowling tactics are too conservative. When you are defending over 300 you should worry only about wickets not run rate because its easier to prevent someone scoring 300+ than it is to prevent someone going at 8 an over Think about it, even on a road it would be ludicrous for a team to try and score 6rpo in a test match reaching 300 at the first drinks break after lunch. Some teams are reaching 400 at the same drinks break when they probably would struggle to reach 400 batting after five sessions trying to optimize their score If someone attacks you in a test the right thing to do isn't to spread the field. That allows the batsmen easy singles so they can wait for the right ball to attack. The right thing to do is to have every fielder (in and out field) as part of a plan to get wickets rather than slow runs. Perhaps no matter how high the run rate you should always have slips and infielders in catching positions looking for a wicket. It would take some guts to implement mind you 
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Was wondering why Mike has suddenly departed the forum? His mate Joe has made the side, his bitter enemy has not. Could be because a certain Blue he said did not deserve a Baggy Green has been given one..:P Where are you Mike?
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