With Reddy say its Castro. Do you agree and has he heard of Broich?

If the poll stuffs up the others I mentioned were:
Broich[br]
Ninkovic[br]
Adrian[br]
Bobo[br]
Carlos Hernandez[br]
Archie Thompson[br]
Besart Berisha[br]
Diego Castro[br]
Isais[br]
Other (specify?)

Can't go past Broich tbh. 

Archie criminally underrated.

For me broich. One of very few players who I genuinely loved going to watch.
Ninkovic is phenomenal don’t get me wrong but Behich was on another level to everyone else. Made everyone around him look fantastic too

Broich was good but ruined his reputation by diving so much. 

Archie is underrated,  and i think we all forget how good carlos was, ninkovic is good but even better when mierzjevski was at Sydney. 

Can't go past Castro though,  he was brilliant when perth were shit, and just a good when his team is good. 

I’ll be accused of bias but yeah, Broich

Broich easily..could not keep him out of the action.

Excluding short-term players like David Villa, to me Mooy in his last two A-League seasons was the most dominant.

Everybody has missed the point.

In a Salary caped league, that has discounts for long term players then it has to be Leigh Broxham especially when you take into account how many positions and how many years he has played.
After all playing football is about helping your team win trophies. It is not an individual sport.
Castro is still on 0 and will never get past a few.
Does anybody have more A league trophies than Brox? I think he has 8? Does anybody come close to that? Does anybody except Berisha even have half of that?

Think about it - You know I am right.

No, only you

Which bit of my logic is wrong?
My lasting memory of Broich is somebody who dived to much and was shown up by a young guy called Nigro having his 1st start and is now barely an A league player.
Castro is good but has yet to achieve anything and has left his run too late.
Ninkovic. How many games did he recently go without scoring? Too many for an attacking player. Moments of greatness but he basically disappeared last year.
I could go on.
Football is a team sport were your success is measured in trophies, trophies and trophies. Any other assessment of greatness is pointless.
Brox's value in a salary capped league over so many season in so many positions wins hands down.

Keep in mind I am "Iknowbest" so my opinion is like fact. It out ranks everybody else combined.

Brooch was absolutely fantastic, theres no denying that. For me though as a biased victory fan, it's impossible for me to go past Hernandez, he's hugely underappreciated even by victory fans, his touch was absolutely magnificent, and his football IQ must have been huge. We were lucky he was as fat as he was, because if he was fit, he'd have been absolutely tearing it up in a top league, he was an absolute class of his own, and it's a shame more people don't appreciate that.

I have to agree with Keeper66. You would be the only person in Australia to think Brox is the best player ever to play in the A-League.

BTW, last year, you were stating that Leroy George was the best player in the league.

MV won the trophy.
All this season MV chant - we are champions.
Leroy was the most important player in getting that trophy.
So yeap - Leroy (closely followed Adrian who was SFC best player and they won the second most important bit of silverware) was the best player last year.
If Leroy or Adrian did this or even a bit less each year for as many seasons as Brox then they would be the greatest. They have not. 
Thanks for proving my point.

NOTE - thread says "A leagues best" not the "best player to have ever played in the A league". That would be a different thread requiring a number of games to qualify. Honda or MD or ADP would win that one.

When will people learn that I am always a few steps ahead of your weak counter attacks. Challenge me and you lose.

How can you claim people are missing the point when you didn't even start the thread?

"Best" doesn't necessarily equate to "most succesful", although success does factor in.

These sort of debates will always a level of subjectivity so don't be so condescending all the time.

Perhaps you need to make a new thread.
Call it "The most naturally gifted" Put some criteria like minimum games. State that cost and success are not important. etc. If you make the criteria just right then Broich might come out on top.
In competitive sport (that is when you keep the score) getting the trophy is the best. Football is a team sport. It is about winning trophies for your team.
Brox is winning (or perhaps Muscat if you want to including coaching).
I can be condescending because I am correct!

As a Victory supporter, I have a lot of man love for Broxy. However, if the greatest A-league team of all time were to be picked, Broxy would not feature, that's a fact. His trophy count is undeniable/

As far as this thread goes, Broich was a delight to watch and would be one of the first picked in any side.

Has to be Broich, he was such a joy to watch.  I don't think Brisbane would have won the silverware they did without him.  He also came across as a really nice guy off the field. From the current batch I would say Ninkovic and Castro can be devastating on their day.

So to be the best player you seem to have to achieve something.
Translation: your team needs to win the league.

That is what football is about. It is not an individual sport. It is a team sport. The purpose of which is to win trophies.
What is the alternative?
You are judged by how much your are paid as per your contract? I do not think any of us would want that as the criteria for greatness.

Again NOTE - thread says "A leagues best" not the "best player to have ever played in the A league"

Nikolai Topor-Stanley 

A bit of merit in that. I would still go Brox (8) as NTS (2) resulted in less trophies. NTS does have an ACL trophy so I can see your point but not quite.

Danny Simpson has won more EPL titles than Gerrard, does that make him a better footballer? Absolutely not.

Judging players only on the trophies won is ridiculous imo.

Perhaps we need to put Kevin Muscat as "A leagues Best". He has 9 trophies.

He did take the best penalty in the A-League.

I think there's a case to be made that Brox is also the tallest player of all time.

Nope - he is the best but not the tallest.

Ah, fuck it.
Has to be a player that has played for Victory then.
That's where every friggin' thread ends up ending.
Victory.

I think Theo is the most decorated player?

Broich comfortable first. Ninkovic, Broich, Castro Thompson probably round our the five

Good call on Theo (9). I suppose Keepers should count. They are people (sort of) after all.
Will be interesting to see if Brox catches him in the next year or 2.
So the poll should have been - vote for Muscat, Theo, Brox, anybody else close ?
(All 3 where MV).

Guess Iknowbest afterall

Well I would say Muscat is equal. So happy to split the points on this one.
(you really do have to be careful with keepers - they play for so many seasons you forget how much impact they can have).

Regardless would have all 3 above Broich. He was good but think everybody over rates him a bit too much.
Players that look pretty get too much attention. Players that get the job done often get overlooked.
It applies to all levels of the game.

Do you have to try to be an A grade tosser or is it just your normal persona?

Which bit is upsetting your delicate nature?

For me, Broxham is the A leagues best. Can see why Theo should get a mention. Muscat should get a mention too.
The rest is all very subjective. A few years where you play nice football on the eye is very different to be the best.

So in other words the only criteria for "best" is trophies won and talent and contribution to success is practically irrelevant. 

The "talent and contribution to success" is what wins the trophies. You do not get a trophy for just being there.

Thats kinda what Broxham has done though isn't it? 

He's a decent A-League player, but you could of replaced him with half a dozen A-League players in any of the years that have Victory won silverware and the result would have likely been the same. 

Decent squaddie at best. Wouldn't even make the bench at SFC, AU or Perth. 

Saying he's the best ever player in the league is laughable.

Broich is easily the best.

This is exactly why this forum is dead.

Fuck me.

You don't think Brox is the tallest (and possibly most handsome) player to have played the A-League?

Imagine how good a CB he would be if he had 6 more inches.
I do not think being more handsome would help his game.

We should thank our lucky stars that he isn't any taller, otherwise he would have spent his entire career at Barca and we would have been deprived of his brilliance.

I measure ‘best’ by entertainment value.
King Carlos was the best.
It was even entertaining listening to opposition fans talk about how he was being paid in kfc meals instead of cash.

Brandan was second best. Always some controversy from his appearance to his performance to theatrics.

I am biased as I have watched Ninkovic the most, and rate him the highest. His ability to relieve pressure on the ball all over the field is something Sydney will dearly miss when he eventually leaves.
Maybe I didn't watch him enough but I never rated Broich as highly as everyone else seemed to. He seemed to be dangerous as function of how good Brisbane were rather than Brisbane because of him. I was always far more scared of what Berisha, Carlos Hernandez and Archie Thompson could do.
I think I only don't rate Castro because Sydney have been so adept at keeping him and the whole Perth team quiet in nearly every game his played against us.

Paul Ifill should be up there, he was killing it at the Nix.

For me Castro is the best player ever imo. Tearing up the league at age 36 and has 36 goals and 16 assists in 86 games while never played in a team that has finished higher than 5th on the table.

Not to try and trigger Perth fans, but I don't think Castro can be classified as the best ever HAL player when to date he still hasn't been the best player in any individual year he's been here. 

2015-16 Mooy
2016-17 Ninkovic
2017-18 Ninkovic/Miejereswki

This year he only has a total of 3 goals and 1 assists and missed 1/3rd of the season.

I'm not knocking his quality, he's been by far and away one of the best foreigners we've had year in year out and I love watching him play, but many others have had better outputs for longer periods of time + led their team to success.  He doesn't really hold a candle to the obvious front runners like Broich/Berisha IMO.

Read the thread title.
"A leagues best" it does not say "best player to have ever played in the A league" 
You do comprehend the difference?
Some of you guys really are a bit slow on the uptake.
If you what it to be "a subjective guide to the best player to have ever played in the A league" then make another thread.
Theo, Muscat or Brox are the clear winners of this thread.

it's very clear that the thread is about who we think is the best ever HAL player, not who was won the most trophies.

Best ever A league player is still Brox.
I think what you wanted to say is "Best A league player over a short 2-3 year period, no defenders allowed as the game is all about looking pretty".

I cant believe no-ones mention Zwaanswijk, bloke is the closest defender to winning the warren since its inception. He was a delight to watch in defence, and he was the base on which graham arnold moulded his great Central coast team of misfits, that took brissie all the way.

It's hard to compare the best player due to pure quality over a single season or consistently high performing over a number of years so I'm gonna a bit of both.

For me the top five is pretty clear, after that it's hard to order them.

1. Broich
2. Berisha
3. Thompson
4. Ninkovic
5. Castro

Mierzejewski and Delpierre were so dominant in their short stints that they demand a high spot. Smeltz's goal scoring record is hard to ignore and Milligan, Brosque and McKay are definitely in the conversation after playing such important roles for so long. 

I am sorry folks but you have all failed to convince me.
The A league is a salary cap league that struggles to make a profit.
Every player therefore needs to be assessed on their cost for the return they give (which can only be measured in trophies).
Given the thread is A leagues Best my original post still holds true.

In a Salary caped league, that has discounts for long term players then it has to be Leigh Broxham especially when you take into account how many positions and how many years he has played.
After all playing football is about helping your team win trophies. It is not an individual sport.
Castro is still on 0 and will never get past a few.
Does anybody have more A league trophies than Brox? I think he has 8? Does anybody come close to that? Does anybody except Berisha even have half of that?

Special mentions for Theo and Muscat.
If you want a different thread for the prettiest player for a season then go for it but we already have awards for that each year.

Please change your username. Its been proven Iknowbest not you

I am correct.
Do not get disappointed at me for being right yet again.
You are the one who constructed  a very poor thread with no guidelines on a very subjective topic.

The point I have being making is very valid and hopefully has made some of the simpletons on here think about what is actually the A leagues Best.
It is not a player that comes and goes. It is not a player that does not produce a trophy.
It is a player that creates passion (like Brox) and fans (like Honda).

Yes of course some players are more talented in some respects than Boxham. That was never my point.

The only simpleton is you, as you are completely unable to think abstractly even a minuscule amount and have taken the topic ridiculously linearly. 

If Ronaldo came down for a few season he'd be the A League's best ever player without a doubt, not bloody Brox just because he has some longevity of being average. People can make a larger impact in a shorter time frame than others do in a longer period of time.

I have never said Brox is a better player than Castro.
I have answered the thread.
A leagues Best.

I have suggested that a new thread be started for those of you who care to find "The Best player to have played in the A league". It would need criteria.

Yes and i am saying people can make a larger impact in a few years than others do in 10. Brox is nothing more than an easily replaceable squad player.

I do not think MV would have ended up with the 8 trophies they have without Brox.
They might have been able to get a few of those without him. It is difficult to say.
But saying he is just a squad player is selling him way short. Squad players do not make the difference between winning silverware or nothing. Squad players do not cover as many positions as he does. Squad players do not give you the long term player bonus to help build the rest of your team. Squad players do not have fans with their name on the back of their tops.

Theo has 9 - not sure how many his teams would have made without him. It is hard to say.
Muscat - well you have to say he has been great for the league. 
Castro has helped win 0. Should get 1 or 2 by end of year so if he has another 5 years in him who knows. You may end up being right. His poor approach to the last few years have held Perth back from achieving what they should have. So you have to look at his down side too. This year he does pre-season and look what happens.

Redkat started the thread iknowbest. I think he knows what he meant by "best" better than you.

"best"
"best at what" ?
He put other as an option.
I have provided an other that is the best. I put my criteria as to why Brox is best (in an overall sense when you take into account stuff like salary caps) to the question of "A league Best".
I did not just say "Brox" without explaining why.
Redkat asked for this in his first post.

I have not said Castro is not the best at a point in time. Or another player for that matter. 

My answer is correct. If you want to refine the topic to specific criteria that is ok. The criteria will change my answer.
But to the question asked I have provided the correct answer and why it is the correct answer.

Refine the criteria and you will get various different answers that change with the different criteria.

You said Brox and proved Youdonotknowbest. 

I stick with Brox for the reasons I pointed out.
It is correct given the question and the explanation.
(Other and specify where options - not sure why you are all having issues with my answer unless you know it is correct and just can bring yourself to say so).
If you do not think I know best then why would you still be disagreeing with me. You would just let it go as somebody who knows nothing. You have not chosen that path. So you obviously care that as the smartest person here you need to try to "correct" me.
If you want to say somebody and why go for it. If you make the criteria right your answer will possibly be right too.

Fuck me, are you still on here peddling your ridiculous shit about this.  Can you review this thread and observe that literally no one on here is agreeing with you, and just accept it.

They all keep talking about the greatest player for a short period of time.
If there is a time frame in the question then I would not go with Brox.
I explained this right at the beginning.
The original post  is extremely opened ended.
I took the thread as it is stated.
I explained my criteria in my first response.
Alternative answers and why were encouraged in the first post.
Most other people have not put their criteria.
I have pointed out some very good reasons for my logic. Everybody else has just gone with a name and very little explaining why.
Castro has played some beautiful football. He has also contributed to Perth underachieving for the last few season with his approach to football.
I am pleased that this year he has taken it more seriously and you can see the results.
I take it as a compliment that you feel the need to address my post but try to do it with logic rather than a rant.

It's hard to use logic when you're so frustrating.

You constantly move the goal posts, one post you say these sort of debates are subjective (I agree) then in another arrogantly claim you are "correct" (despite NOBODY, not even Victory fans, agreeing with you). 

"Best at what"? You say in another post. Good question! 'A-League's best' is clearly an open invitation for debate and subjectivity, with different posters valuing different factors (success, contribution, talent etc) as higher or lower in importance.

I clearly stated my criteria of why I thought Brox was the A leagues best.
I have not moved my goal posts.
I have said that if there was a set criteria it would be somebody else.
I struggle to see how that is confusing.
Given the factors I stated and have not changed then Brox is the A leagues best.
You are welcome to have your own caveats.
Nobody has suggested somebody better than Brox for my criteria.

How am I being annoying?
I am only replying to people talking to me. I am not bumping the thread.

Iknowbest, the point you are continuing to miss here is that no one is interested in your criteria.

So why then do they keep replying to it?
If you do not like my criteria then move on and leave it alone.

The replies are to tell you that we don’t agree with your criteria. But you seem not to understand that (or more likely deliberately ignore it).

If you just said "my own opinion" then we would of.

But no, you start by telling everybody they are "missing the point", then proceed to say "I am correct", insinuating that your comments are not opinion but a stated fact. In other words, "I am right and everybody else is wrong". 

And you don't see how that is frustrating? 

It would only be frustrating if you felt inferior.
Every comment a person makes in their life is "in their opinion". The phrase is never required in life. If you find yourself using it you should check yourself and move on.
My reasons for putting Broxham are valid. I do not require your consent or approval. You are free to choose who ever you want. For me it is Broxham for the reasons I have stated and given that Iknowbest (a proven point) then I can state it like I have. I guess next year you will all have to combine and try and beat me in the tipping. One against many. Still think I will win.