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+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | Primary team Australia  or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms!
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini!
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+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 3-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! At the same time, I have to begrudgingly admire how tough England are to beat. Fair play to them. Great mental strength is required to do this. It makes The Ashes such a good series on most occasions.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 3-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! At the same time, I have to begrudgingly admire how tough England are to beat. Yeah - I tend to agree with you here. They do it so often, its not a fluke, they have mastered it. It is damn frustrating for many global fans, though. I wasn't supporting India, but India could have 3 of the first 4 tests last year easily if not for Curran. Hence why Curran became a global cricket star. But when backed into a corner, the English cricket team in recent years just chance their arm, with an approach of - nothing to lose here... and start dashing, I think more teams could learn from this... They pull from behind wins regularly. Keep the draws when behind but not in a corner, and if on top, finish it off.
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+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 - @40- e/r 2 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. And Lyon was never going to run thru them. Two of his wickets were gifted. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 3-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! At the same time, I have to begrudgingly admire how tough England are to beat. Yeah - I tend to agree with you here. They do it so often, its not a fluke, they have mastered it. It is damn frustrating for many global fans, though. I read somewhere that the English soccer/football team who constantly have a team of stars, and until recently, constantly underperform, needed to have a long, hard look at the mental toughness and resilience of the English cricket team as role models. The England footballers have been considered ultra rich spoilt brats, who throw in the towel, don't have much team spirit and desire to represent the country, whereas the English cricketers are a tough, resilient, hard to beat side who never say die. We were impressed England beat Sri Lanka away after we lost there. Then Sri Lanka also lost to us in Aus, but beat South Africa in their backyard! Recently, England also performed much better against Pakistan in the UAE than we did. The English football team have had more success on the international big stage in recent times.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would take over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. Cummins, Abbas, Roach, Rabada, Ngidi, Bumrah, Philander, we have a pantheon of excellent seam bowlers emerging right now. Even Holder at a pinch. I would take Mohammad Shami over Broad. Seriously. Ishant Sharma has outbowled him the past few years and in England too.
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+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 - @40- e/r 2 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Hadn't thought about Paine's lack of confidence in his openers. It might have played a part in the decision to bowl, that Langer was possibly also a part of.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad at the same level defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, in less tests, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad could get 8 wickets tonight and bowl Aus out for 70. I don't care. Archer set this win up. Denley and Stokes supported the lead he gave. Archer made the 3rd test within reach of Stoke's magic. And Archer helped England int he second. He is light years ahead of Broad. I wish Archer played for my team. I would never take Broad.
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+x+xWhen is someone going to drum into the heads of blokes not to attempt to take close in catches with the fingers facing up. Just saw Harris spilling of Denly off that Hazlewood peach . A shocker. Schoolboy stuff. His average had now dropped to a mediocre @26. I dont wanna see Harris within cooee of the Test side this summer. We shud have the Poms 1-9 with Root now at the crease and the Dukes cherry still nice and hard. God you make me laugh Baggers. Now you don't want Harris anywhere near the side because he dropped a catch off Hazlewood and you are glad he injured himself. Meow!!!! They've dropped a couple off Cummins as well including Smith, so should we sack them all? How about we just sack Haddin as the fielding coach, after-all his fielders have been known to walk on the field with sand paper. Thank God I don't live next door to you, I probably would have seen a TV set go flying through the window on that one. What was everyone really expecting anyway? They drop a batsman for a bowler to supplement the bowling attack (Langer admitted that is what they were doing), like they do on a regular basis, that is why Marsh has played so many tests (31 at the moment). They have the longest tail they've had for a while now without Starc, nor Pattinson in the side. You can stop calling Cummins an allrounder he now has an average of 10 in India, SA and England, he's a bowler only. Hazlewood has once again shown his true colours. He has a one off good test where he took 9/115, a test we lost because Stokes took the long handle to him and Cummins, putting the rubbish out for collection. The other 3 tests 11/322 that's basically an average of 30 in a series where numerous bowlers are around 20. Before you argue that you have to look at everything Cummins has an overall average for the series of 20. a best match figures of 7/103 so the other tests he took 21/454 average 21.5. Jofra Archer av 17.5 best bowling of 8/85 other tests 14/295 average 21. Quality bowlers remain consistent across all tests, and aren't one show ponies. Sure they can have a one off bad test, all bowlers do, but surely the reverse of multiple bad tests with an occasional good one is not a reason for continued selection, especially when you lose the particular test where that good bowling effort occurred. Look at India and South Africa recent series if you want more proof. Cummins too has had dropped catches off him as well. But only Lyon has a bowled in this innings, maybe the bowlers should attack the stumps more and stop relying on poor batting shots for the catches. But for me the final nails in the coffin is 1) Smith at the start of the day's play said that Australia important to take some wickets with the new ball, and the new ball bowlers failed to deliver but in general bowled poorly. Nearly 400 to win now that is a lot of pressure now on the batsmen. The record run chase is 404 back in 1948 at Headingly with Bradman and Morris putting on a 300 run partnership. But records are meant to be broken and we have Warner and Smith. And 2)..of the 4 tests Hazlewood played it is looking like England 2 wins Aust 1 win and a draw, and to me that would have resulted in England winning the Ashes, so Baggers remind me how Australia's retention of the Ashes is due to Smith, Cummins and Hazlewood, because I just don't see it? The way I look at it it's like giving someone a headstart in a race and then saying they're the best in the world when they win. That's like cheating. Sort of like when someone uses a piece of Sandpaper to help you swing a ball, not that we've ever seen that happen. But there is still a little hope that Australia can get out of this mess, it's England maybe weather. But ultimately the selection of Marsh was good, because he has taken 7 wickets that kept Australia in the hunt, because I for one had no idea where the next wicket was coming from, the bowling has been that bad. I've read excuses of being too tired and maybe it has some relevance to Cummins as he played the world cup, but so did Archer, but the others it doesn't apply. In the past they played 6 tests plus numerous FC matches, ODI's during an Ashes tour, with no complaints. But wasn't that the reason why they were rotating the bowlers, but that stopped as soon as Cummins and Hazlewood joined forces, now they supplement the bowlers at the expense of of an already weak batting line up and let the blame drop solely on the batsmen. And if they are tired then they're soft unfit powder puffs with hearts as big as peas. As Billy Ocean said "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" The excuses like Baggers has maintained that Hazlewood is not a good "death Bowler" are rubbish. Guess what, this is test cricket, you are going to come across all scenarios during the course of a game, bowlers don't get to pick and choose what the batsman are allowed to do, they have to adapt and if a bowler can't then replace him with someone that can handle the different scenarios. "Best bowling attack in the world" what a load of..... There is still hope for Australia Warner is due to keep selectors off his back, but I did come across this bit of history over the last 70 years this is the list of batsmen that were fortunate enough to play around 15 tests overseas, look how many opportunities Warner has had compared to others and many on this site regard him as a class act. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=5;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=30;qualval1=innings;spanmin1=15+Mar+1960;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=battingAt least they saw the light on Khawaja. but why has it taken so long on Warner. But if he scores 70 in the final innings he goes ahead of S Marsh, and we all know how much he has copped in the media and on forums. And if he scores a century he may manage to squeeze past Watson, another who copped it but at least he could bowl. And neither played anywhere near the matches Warner played. Burns, whose dropping we all see was unjust, is not the answer. At 31 we may get 4 years out of him but his best days are probably on the downhill slope. Perseverance with 26 year old Bancroft should have occurred but the future lies with Renshaw if he can just find some form, he is the only batsman, apart from Burns, with a century at international level and it was against Pakistan Australia's next opponents. We also need consistency from batsmen and Head at least does show some of that but selectors decided to drop him? Another is Patterson, though his form against the Dukes was rubbish, he has been consistent without the centuries, he won't win Australia matches as he has very few centuries at FC level, but he can make a good partnership with Smith with his regular 30 or 40. Another one is Handscomb who has 2 centuries at international level both against Pakistan. I'll be watching how Pucovski goes in the first Sheffield Shield matches, bit concerned with his mental aspect, but he's young and should overcome gradually. You are embarrassing yourself with all this stupid Hazlewood bashing, Mike. Quit while you in front, cobber. Until I read all your crap about Hazlewood being a crap bowler, the rest of your posts were some of the most informed and interesting I have seen anywhere on cricket forums.
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I don't have stats to back this up but broad seems to have tired with the old ball losing accuracy after about his 6th or 7th over
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! Curran looks like a hell of a good left arm swing bowler to have been left out so far in this series.
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+x+x+xWhen is someone going to drum into the heads of blokes not to attempt to take close in catches with the fingers facing up. Just saw Harris spilling of Denly off that Hazlewood peach . A shocker. Schoolboy stuff. His average had now dropped to a mediocre @26. I dont wanna see Harris within cooee of the Test side this summer. We shud have the Poms 1-9 with Root now at the crease and the Dukes cherry still nice and hard. God you make me laugh Baggers. Now you don't want Harris anywhere near the side because he dropped a catch off Hazlewood and you are glad he injured himself. Meow!!!! They've dropped a couple off Cummins as well including Smith, so should we sack them all? How about we just sack Haddin as the fielding coach, after-all his fielders have been known to walk on the field with sand paper. Thank God I don't live next door to you, I probably would have seen a TV set go flying through the window on that one. What was everyone really expecting anyway? They drop a batsman for a bowler to supplement the bowling attack (Langer admitted that is what they were doing), like they do on a regular basis, that is why Marsh has played so many tests (31 at the moment). They have the longest tail they've had for a while now without Starc, nor Pattinson in the side. You can stop calling Cummins an allrounder he now has an average of 10 in India, SA and England, he's a bowler only. Hazlewood has once again shown his true colours. He has a one off good test where he took 9/115, a test we lost because Stokes took the long handle to him and Cummins, putting the rubbish out for collection. The other 3 tests 11/322 that's basically an average of 30 in a series where numerous bowlers are around 20. Before you argue that you have to look at everything Cummins has an overall average for the series of 20. a best match figures of 7/103 so the other tests he took 21/454 average 21.5. Jofra Archer av 17.5 best bowling of 8/85 other tests 14/295 average 21. Quality bowlers remain consistent across all tests, and aren't one show ponies. Sure they can have a one off bad test, all bowlers do, but surely the reverse of multiple bad tests with an occasional good one is not a reason for continued selection, especially when you lose the particular test where that good bowling effort occurred. Look at India and South Africa recent series if you want more proof. Cummins too has had dropped catches off him as well. But only Lyon has a bowled in this innings, maybe the bowlers should attack the stumps more and stop relying on poor batting shots for the catches. But for me the final nails in the coffin is 1) Smith at the start of the day's play said that Australia important to take some wickets with the new ball, and the new ball bowlers failed to deliver but in general bowled poorly. Nearly 400 to win now that is a lot of pressure now on the batsmen. The record run chase is 404 back in 1948 at Headingly with Bradman and Morris putting on a 300 run partnership. But records are meant to be broken and we have Warner and Smith. And 2)..of the 4 tests Hazlewood played it is looking like England 2 wins Aust 1 win and a draw, and to me that would have resulted in England winning the Ashes, so Baggers remind me how Australia's retention of the Ashes is due to Smith, Cummins and Hazlewood, because I just don't see it? The way I look at it it's like giving someone a headstart in a race and then saying they're the best in the world when they win. That's like cheating. Sort of like when someone uses a piece of Sandpaper to help you swing a ball, not that we've ever seen that happen. But there is still a little hope that Australia can get out of this mess, it's England maybe weather. But ultimately the selection of Marsh was good, because he has taken 7 wickets that kept Australia in the hunt, because I for one had no idea where the next wicket was coming from, the bowling has been that bad. I've read excuses of being too tired and maybe it has some relevance to Cummins as he played the world cup, but so did Archer, but the others it doesn't apply. In the past they played 6 tests plus numerous FC matches, ODI's during an Ashes tour, with no complaints. But wasn't that the reason why they were rotating the bowlers, but that stopped as soon as Cummins and Hazlewood joined forces, now they supplement the bowlers at the expense of of an already weak batting line up and let the blame drop solely on the batsmen. And if they are tired then they're soft unfit powder puffs with hearts as big as peas. As Billy Ocean said "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" The excuses like Baggers has maintained that Hazlewood is not a good "death Bowler" are rubbish. Guess what, this is test cricket, you are going to come across all scenarios during the course of a game, bowlers don't get to pick and choose what the batsman are allowed to do, they have to adapt and if a bowler can't then replace him with someone that can handle the different scenarios. "Best bowling attack in the world" what a load of..... There is still hope for Australia Warner is due to keep selectors off his back, but I did come across this bit of history over the last 70 years this is the list of batsmen that were fortunate enough to play around 15 tests overseas, look how many opportunities Warner has had compared to others and many on this site regard him as a class act. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=5;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;orderby=batting_average;qualmin1=30;qualval1=innings;spanmin1=15+Mar+1960;spanval1=span;team=2;template=results;type=battingAt least they saw the light on Khawaja. but why has it taken so long on Warner. But if he scores 70 in the final innings he goes ahead of S Marsh, and we all know how much he has copped in the media and on forums. And if he scores a century he may manage to squeeze past Watson, another who copped it but at least he could bowl. And neither played anywhere near the matches Warner played. Burns, whose dropping we all see was unjust, is not the answer. At 31 we may get 4 years out of him but his best days are probably on the downhill slope. Perseverance with 26 year old Bancroft should have occurred but the future lies with Renshaw if he can just find some form, he is the only batsman, apart from Burns, with a century at international level and it was against Pakistan Australia's next opponents. We also need consistency from batsmen and Head at least does show some of that but selectors decided to drop him? Another is Patterson, though his form against the Dukes was rubbish, he has been consistent without the centuries, he won't win Australia matches as he has very few centuries at FC level, but he can make a good partnership with Smith with his regular 30 or 40. Another one is Handscomb who has 2 centuries at international level both against Pakistan. I'll be watching how Pucovski goes in the first Sheffield Shield matches, bit concerned with his mental aspect, but he's young and should overcome gradually. You are embarrassing yourself with all this stupid Hazlewood bashing, Mike. Quit while you in front, cobber. Until I read all your crap about Hazlewood being a crap bowler, the rest of your posts were some of the most informed and interesting I have seen anywhere on cricket forums. Mike does make a lot of good posts. He hasn't liked Hazelwood for years. I and Baggers can vouch for this. But the question that remains to be answered, is Mike right? Is Haze just a bully of weak batting teams? Cos this England team is very very very much a weak batting team.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad levels defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad has been England's most consistent wicket taker. So in my book that makes him the best. Done nothing? He has terrorised our openers. Without decent starts Australia has faced enormous pressure from the early overs. Archer has been sporadic.. brilliant at times.. mediocre at others. He is young so has time to mature his game. Then as you I think he will be one of game's superstars.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! Curran looks like a hell of a good left arm swing bowler to have left out so far in this series. Curran is unusual. He played for my domestic team in NZ. The first time I saw him bat, I knew he had batting talent. But his bowling is awful. Horrible. But, with a Dukes in England, he swings it around corners. He over pitches and bowls a lot of rubbish - globally and in England, he can't hit a length to save himself, his line is okay, but he's short, and he struggles to hit length, so he can full, or short, or anywhere in between, but he swings it in England. In the WI with a Dukes, he was crap. Utter crap. But in England he is a high ER, but low SR bowler. Cos of his swing movement. He definitely swings it a lot. But he has no length control. At all. And the wide of off will come out frequently too.
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+xI don't have stats to back this up but broad seems to have tired with the old ball losing accuracy after about his 6th or 7th over It could be true. However, I seem to remember endless episodes of Broad taking the new ball in this Ashes series and within a few minutes both Aussie openers walking back to the pavilion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! Curran looks like a hell of a good left arm swing bowler to have left out so far in this series. Curran is unusual. He played for my domestic team in NZ. The first time I saw him bat, I knew he had batting talent. But his bowling is awful. Horrible. But, with a Dukes in England, he swings it around corners. He over pitches and bowls a lot of rubbish - globally and in England, he can't hit a length to save himself, his line is okay, but he's short, and he struggles to hit length, so he can full, or short, or anywhere in between, but he swings it in England. In the WI with a Dukes, he was crap. Utter crap. But in England he is a high ER, but low SR bowler. Cos of his swing movement. He definitely swings it a lot. But he has no length control. At all. And the wide of off will come out frequently too. Wow! Curran? What sort of ball do you use in NZ, Paddles?
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+x+xI don't have stats to back this up but broad seems to have tired with the old ball losing accuracy after about his 6th or 7th over It could be true. However, I seem to remember endless episodes of Broad taking the new ball in this Ashes series and within a few minutes both Aussie openers walking back to the pavilion. yeah you just have to survive 7 overs against broad and he has gone a bit quiet this series the one time warner managed that batting got easier Pretty unplayable early though. He's getting on -33 right? So he is probably slowing down a bit
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! Curran looks like a hell of a good left arm swing bowler to have left out so far in this series. Good point KW to an extent. Curran yes for the series if there had been swinging conditions but there has not for reasons unknown. My Pom mate says Curran is "plodding rubbish" when the ball does not swing. I have also heardfrom my mate the reason for lack of swing this series was a bad batch of Dukes balls were ordered by the ECB. The fact is until this match all have been seaming decks. I wonder whether swing king James Anderson w'd have been as potent as past series. I doubt it.. He may have been this match as it has hooped round corners and ironically in sunny weather. Humidity perhaps?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad levels defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad has been England's most consistent wicket taker. So in my book that makes him the best. Done nothing? He has terrorised our openers. Without decent starts Australia has faced enormous pressure from the early overs. Archer has been sporadic.. brilliant at times.. mediocre at others. He is young so has time to mature his game. Then as you I think he will be one of game's superstars. Nonsense. Broad has taken less wickets in more games. How do you define consistency? Archer had one innings with 1 wicket or less. His only poor innings. Consistent Broad however, has achieved this 3 times. Archer has been brilliant in 3 out of 4 tests. And still excellent in half of his bad test. Broad has never hit brilliant, cos he let Aus off the hook in the first test. England had a 90 run lead, Broad then serves up 1/90 odd. Sorry Baggers, no - not buying this tale. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152846/england-vs-australia-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021Archer and Stokes are the onyl reason England are still in this, and they all fired in the draw, the same win, and this match. Broad, meanwhile, has contributed to what draws or wins more than Archer in the same match? Its a bit hard to sledge Archer when he has bowled to the superior batting team at an average of close to half their batting average. He has been the bowler of the series so far. That's why he averages 17 and Broad 29. The kid has starred this series. Broad leaves England fans wondering what Anderson would have done instead.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad levels defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad has been England's most consistent wicket taker. So in my book that makes him the best. Done nothing? He has terrorised our openers. Without decent starts Australia has faced enormous pressure from the early overs. Archer has been sporadic.. brilliant at times.. mediocre at others. He is young so has time to mature his game. Then as you I think he will be one of game's superstars. Nonsense. Broad has taken less wickets in more games. How do you define consistency? Archer had one innings with 1 wicket or less. His only poor innings. Consistent Broad however, has achieved this 3 times. Archer has been brilliant in 3 out of 4 tests. And still excellent in half of his bad test. Broad has never hit brilliant, cos he let Aus off the hook in the first test. England had a 90 run lead, Broad then serves up 1/90 odd. Sorry Baggers, no - not buying this tale. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152846/england-vs-australia-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021Archer and Stokes are the onyl reason England are still in this, and they all fired in the draw, the same win, and this match. Broad, meanwhile, has contributed to what draws or wins more than Archer in the same match? How do you define consistency?
I define it as something that is done on a regular basis. Despite your protestations the simply fact is Broad has had a vice like grip on our openers.. specially dud Warner. We all know the damage the slugger can do if let off the leash. Broad has not let him off... not for a moment since the first time he pinged him in front in the first Test. If he is averaging @30 that is due to his efforts other than the openers. I'd certainly like you to read what his average is against Warner and Harris. also the other lefties for that matter.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad levels defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad has been England's most consistent wicket taker. So in my book that makes him the best. Done nothing? He has terrorised our openers. Without decent starts Australia has faced enormous pressure from the early overs. Archer has been sporadic.. brilliant at times.. mediocre at others. He is young so has time to mature his game. Then as you I think he will be one of game's superstars. Nonsense. Broad has taken less wickets in more games. How do you define consistency? Archer had one innings with 1 wicket or less. His only poor innings. Consistent Broad however, has achieved this 3 times. Archer has been brilliant in 3 out of 4 tests. And still excellent in half of his bad test. Broad has never hit brilliant, cos he let Aus off the hook in the first test. England had a 90 run lead, Broad then serves up 1/90 odd. Sorry Baggers, no - not buying this tale. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152846/england-vs-australia-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021Archer and Stokes are the onyl reason England are still in this, and they all fired in the draw, the same win, and this match. Broad, meanwhile, has contributed to what draws or wins more than Archer in the same match? How do you define consistency?
I define it as something that is done on a regular basis. Despite your protestations the simply fact is Broad has had a vice like grip on our openers.. specially dud Warner. We all know the damage the slugger can do if let off the leash. Broad has not let him off... not for a moment since the first time he pinged him in front in the first Test. If he is averaging @30 that is due to his efforts other than the openers. I'd certainly like you to read what his average is against Warner and Harris. Oh Broad has had Warner's number for sure. Harris probably too. But its a team game. And he let Aus off the hook in the first test in a big way. And was very ordinary last test lost too. Once Smith comes in, and there's overs in those Broad legs, the proud seam softened, he aint doing much to threaten. Archer on the other hand, keeps at it. Heck, Archer embraces the challenge if his media quotes are to be believed. He wants the battle. And he wants to win it. And in Archer's apparent media view, right now its 1-1. Count down till Archer tours Australia, he is going to make himself Aus #1 enemy with his mouth. But you ave to admire cockiness when its backed up - like McGrath did.
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Paddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do.
But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise.
When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about).
Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood?
Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
| View overall figures [change view] | | Primary team Australia or England | | Series The Ashes, 2019 | | Grouped by team | | Ordered by batting average (descending) |
England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Getting tonked by white ball specialists has sunk Hazlewoods average and strike rate. Going into this game it was @17 and @40 so he had been his usual impeccable self. He like all the quicks have been below their best in this match.. aside from Mitch Marsh and Jofra Archer that is. Understandable as this is the most batting friendly deck of the series. I have to say we were on the back foot from the first day when Paine sent the Pommies in.. for reasons only he knows. More often than not it means the first in gets to bat again on the third day.. arguably the best batting conditions of the match. England proved that yesterday with some good application and patience against a sustained pace attack that struggled on this deck to penetrate. I reckon Paine will now be regretting his decision. But did he have a choice given his lack of confidence in his openers against a champing at the bit Archer and England's best of the series.. Broad. Oh spare me Baggers. Broad is averaging 29 this series and Archer 17 with more wickets to boot, despite playing less tests. Broad is not within light years of Archer. Never will be in my opinion. I would drop him when Anderson is back. Literally drop him. There is Stone and TRJ I would over Broad as well. I said before the series Archer is going to be a superstar. And now people know my views on Broad too. Don't bait me like this. :P Broad is ordinary. Always has been. Archer, if he stays fit, will be a great imo - but he so far has UNDENIABLY totally out-bowled Broad. It's not even close. It doesn't always have to be a competition between one being superior to another. Broad and Archer have both bowled well for mine. Broad has gone for 29. Its not good enough. This is England. And a Dukes. And an Aussie batting line up that most Aussies say is weak. Broad is a passenger. Archer has bowled magnificently in all tests bar 1. Broad has done nothing in my opinion. I know you rate him. You know I don't. But conflating Archer to Broad levels defies logic when one has more wickets at 17, and the other is trundling with less wickets at 29. Broad has been England's most consistent wicket taker. So in my book that makes him the best. Done nothing? He has terrorised our openers. Without decent starts Australia has faced enormous pressure from the early overs. Archer has been sporadic.. brilliant at times.. mediocre at others. He is young so has time to mature his game. Then as you I think he will be one of game's superstars. Nonsense. Broad has taken less wickets in more games. How do you define consistency? Archer had one innings with 1 wicket or less. His only poor innings. Consistent Broad however, has achieved this 3 times. Archer has been brilliant in 3 out of 4 tests. And still excellent in half of his bad test. Broad has never hit brilliant, cos he let Aus off the hook in the first test. England had a 90 run lead, Broad then serves up 1/90 odd. Sorry Baggers, no - not buying this tale. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19430/scorecard/1152846/england-vs-australia-1st-test-icc-world-test-championship-2019-2021Archer and Stokes are the onyl reason England are still in this, and they all fired in the draw, the same win, and this match. Broad, meanwhile, has contributed to what draws or wins more than Archer in the same match? How do you define consistency?
I define it as something that is done on a regular basis. Despite your protestations the simply fact is Broad has had a vice like grip on our openers.. specially dud Warner. We all know the damage the slugger can do if let off the leash. Broad has not let him off... not for a moment since the first time he pinged him in front in the first Test. If he is averaging @30 that is due to his efforts other than the openers. I'd certainly like you to read what his average is against Warner and Harris. Oh Broad has had Warner's number for sure. Harris probably too. But its a team game. And he let Aus off the hook in the first test in a big way. And was very ordinary last test lost too. Once Smith comes in, and there's over in those Broad legs, the ball softens, he aint doing much to threaten. Archer on the other hand, keeps at it. Heck, Archer embraces the challenge if his media quotes are to be believed. He wants the battle. And he wants to win it. And in Archer's apparent media view, right now its 1-1. Count down till Archer tours Australia, he is going to make himself Aus #1 enemy with his mouth. But you ave to admire cockiness when its backed up - like McGrath did. Count down till Archer tours Australia, he is going to make himself Aus #1 enemy with his mouth. But you ave to admire cockiness when its backed up - like McGrath did.
Looking forward in two years when an older more mature Archer tours our shores. Nothing wrong with being mouthy providing you dont overstep the line and can back it up. Tho I always notioned that when McGrath did it that it looked out of place as he was hardly the archetypal speed merchant enforcer.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe broken record is at it again. Give it a rest Mike you nong. Had Harris not spilled a sitter off a Hazlewood peach when Denly was on nothing it. Had Root not had three grassed, their score w'd have a much different look about it. Poor batting and catching will stop us winning this series.. not the bowling.
The English bowling numbers are woeful apart from Archer, so overall the Aus batting has been overall okay with the tail wagging well, but its been totally lead by Smith. Aus has out-batted and outbowled England this series so far:
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England's been totally dominated for the most part. Their only saviors have been the individual brilliance of Archer and Stokes.
England have mastered the knack of being outplayed, and still salvaging a series draw, and even series wins with their rain and 10th wicket fights for a draw. Curran still manages to only be a swing threat in England. England has sorely missed Anderson;s swing bowling, cos if Marsh and Curran can suddenly find it in September, it was there in July and August too. Again great stats, Paddles. I had no idea there was such a difference in batting and bowling averages between the teams. Finally the stats matter for the test championship. If England wins this test, Aus and Eng share the same points. But Aus will be on top of England because they outplayed them overall on the stats. This matters cos there is a very high degree of probability that the team finishing 2nd and qualifying for the final, will be on the same number of points as the team finishing 3rd. So - even if the series is drawn, Aus do take an advantage for outplaying England for most the series. Losing closely, ala that Stokes innings, matters more than losing big. If the rain hadn't saved Aus in the 2nd test, this series right now, could be like 2009, where Aus outbowled and outbatted England both, and still lost the series. Fortunately for you guys, that is not the case. I thought it had been a pretty even series until I read all the information you put up! I feel depressed. Bloody Poms! England are the great escape artists in recent years. It looks like they thrashed India last year 4-1 - they didn't. It all came down to Curran in two matches twice saving their bacon in the tail to give Anderson something to bowl at. They year before that, Philander got injured mid test, then foolishly selected while still sick for the next. Again Poms in huge trouble. Pakistan series twice draws, NZ series draw - Poms conjured up a way of drawing series but being outplayed. They're like freaking Houdini! Curran looks like a hell of a good left arm swing bowler to have left out so far in this series. Curran is unusual. He played for my domestic team in NZ. The first time I saw him bat, I knew he had batting talent. But his bowling is awful. Horrible. But, with a Dukes in England, he swings it around corners. He over pitches and bowls a lot of rubbish - globally and in England, he can't hit a length to save himself, his line is okay, but he's short, and he struggles to hit length, so he can full, or short, or anywhere in between, but he swings it in England. In the WI with a Dukes, he was crap. Utter crap. But in England he is a high ER, but low SR bowler. Cos of his swing movement. He definitely swings it a lot. But he has no length control. At all. And the wide of off will come out frequently too. Wow! Curran? What sort of ball do you use in NZ, Paddles? Kookaburra. They pay NZC with 100k AUD worth of free balls each year. Dukes charge money. NZC is cheap and broke. Kookaburra provides balls for free - but they have the means too as a cricket company. Dukes are really just a ball company. So they charge. And they're the most expensive as entirely hand stitched. India wanted the Dukes, but Dukes wouldn't give them a discount. So they didn't go with them.
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+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do.
But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise.
When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about).
Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood?
Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions.
Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on.
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+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point.
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+x+x+xPaddles I agree with your previous post, and thank's for the support, but a lot of what you are saying was back in 2015. On Hadlee who can blame him for wanting 3rd man or mid off, don't reward the batsman for getting him to do what you want him to do. But let me explain the discussion between Baggers and myself regarding Hazlewood has been for quite a few years, we've known each other for 6 or more years. I respect Baggers opinions, more so when we discuss shield cricket. But when it comes to Hazlewood he's over the top in his praise. When he came into the side back in 2014 he had been dropped from NSW after playing only 1 game against Vic when he took 3/140 in the match and Victoria won by 9 wickets. He never played any more games at shield level that year. At the same time Jason Behrendorff just demolished Qld taking 10/114. When it came to selection Hazlewood got the nod after 4 rounds of sheffield shield had been completed. Baggers said that they needed variation in the attack as Johnson and Starc were playing Behrendorff was another leftie. Fair enough, but back then I was questioning Starc's inclusion after the start he had to his test career, who wasn't. After 12 games at test level I had no problem with Hazlewood his record was impressive as Baggers will confirm (Paddles that was the 2015 era you're talking about). Then came the time of Johnson's retirement, which sort of came out of the blue, if you recall. Johnson's parting comments were that he felt that his bowling was not good enough to warrant continued selection for Australia. With a return of 3/170 who could blame him, it's wasn't but Hazlewood's return was 1/137 and Hazlewood was the opening bowler, Johnson was the first change. That got me questioning things afterall Johnson's comment were quite strange at the time, was he nudged out the door and it was a little parting shot at Starc and Hazlewood? Pattinson then came into the side for the West Indies. Now this is where Baggers coped a lot from a lot of people on the site we were on (I think it was Bigpond) especially when he posted a comment that Pattinson was taking a page out of the Hazlewood handbook on how to bowl. A lot of people were Pattinson fans and still are. Note that particular test Hazlewood took 0 wickets and Pattinson took 6 for. A lot of people objected to Baggers continued praise of Hazlewood and really gave it to him. I never said a word if you remember Baggers. I actually did feel sorry for Baggers, but he did bring it on himself at the time, and I think most posters on this site do know what i am talking about, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and as I said I do respect Baggers opinions. Since that period Baggers and I have constantly discussed Hazlewood's downward spiral, remembering Hazlewood is and has always been an opening bowler, and as an opening bowler he has to be judged as an opening bowler. As a 1st change bowler I have no objection to Hazlewood's presence how many times have I said that Baggers. But while he is opening he is preventing bowlers such as Jackson Bird, James Pattinson, even Cummins when Starc is playing from access to the new ball which is exactly what these bowlers are really good with, they are the 1st change expected to do the grunt work which their bowling styles are not suited to, there is no point in playing them. This is to the detriment of our attack. Honestly who doesn't want to see Pattinson and Cummins open the bowling? The only time we have seen that was the 1st test a test which Australia won. Even the recent 3rd test when push came to shove, Pattinson was completely by-passed for Hazlewood and Cummins and the end result we lost the test, and where is Pattinson now. In and out of the side, no chance of establishing form with continued match play. But after all these years still no-one including Baggers and posters on this site has ever put forward a single argument well supported with any facts contrary to what I have written. Paddles can attest to that. You make think it is rubbish but prove it? That is the beauty of Forums you can give a difference in opinion, which can make you think, I never post a comment without support. I believe that this bowler is a great bowler because I like him doesn't hold much factual basis does it. Exactly who are you and should I be impressed? Let me ask you this if Baggers posts that he measures a bowlers ability on the number of plays and misses a bowler can achieve do you see a problem with this statement? The admission that the batsmen are missing yet no wicket falls, no bowled no LBW doesn't that suggest wrong line? Or maybe it's just me. But I can back off if you wish, and just praise the best bowling attack in the world, which I can assure is just not true. Was it necessary to give everyone a life story of our forum relationship Mike. If Hazlewood warrants criticism I will accept that. But he has bowled superbly.. admittedly against not the most superior of opposition (Paddles) regardless.. he does not deserve your excessive criticism.. His figures back that up..I posted them earlier) tho they have taken a hit from these T20 like tonking sessions by Stokes and Buttler. I admire the way Josh has matured and learnt from his frailties in Ashes 2015. He has not gone looking for swing and has bowled a near impeccable 7/8mts for much of the time. All bowlers even the most accurate stray on occasions.. he is not a robot. You wont back off Mike. Come summer on our flat drop ins where Hazlewood struggles and you will be back with the ribbing and use of him as your personal punching bag.. So nothing will change. As I said your constant rubbishing of Josh is becoming boring so I will be ignoring them from now on. I'm not comming between you and mike baggers, cos I know deep down you're close which was obvious before the forum I found you both on - but Josh nailed the 2015 Ashes. He knocked it out of the park and dominated. Johnson was crap. Not Haze that series. Read Mike's post again. You miss this point. No he didnt nail 2015 mate. He bowled like the rookie he was. 4-16 @25. Tho the comms said he bowled expertly using the Lords slope. His inexperience showed up when he lost his accuracy searching for swing at Nottingham and paid the price.. rather unfairly I said at the time. Johnson was pretty ordinary that tour but it was debutant rookie that got canned. I was scathing at the time with McDermott as their bowling coach.
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