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+x+xWhy with Australian football fans, the idea of what club a fan supports or the clubs identity strictly comes from where the fan lives as well as where the club is located specifically within a city, east, west, north etc? It's only one variable of many that differentiate people from supporting clubs within the same city. I lived and was working in Madrid, the reasoning or difference between Atletico Madrid supporters and Real Madrid supporters wasn't necessarily down to who lived south and north of Madrid. I quickly found out what their main difference was between the two clubs and their fans were and immediately became an Atleti supporter through feeling the same connection. Atletico supporters are hard working class people. I went to a pub and you could literally see the difference between the two fans. But thats just one other variable that could shape people's association with a football club. Another example was while I was living in Rome too. Roma aren't even located in the inner city of Rome, yet they have the majority of fanbase in Rome. Roma are the perfect example for both Victory and City to follow, but for this argument mostly City. Roma represents the whole of the city, as do Lazio, they have this inner city image like City and similarly too, they're not based within the inner city. Lazio is located next to the Stadio Olympico, while as mentioned Roma are located close to an hour away from the stadium (40 plus mins without traffic). Yet, many inner Romans, follow Roma regardless of where they're located. There are other variables, people need to realise that. I for one don't live in the north, yet I'm a City supporter. It's certainly true that there are other variables at play for a club identity than just geography. The ethnic ex NSL clubs also being a prime example. Hence the "western sydney is geography, Sydney fc is a state of mind" TIFO that flew over so many people's heads a few years back.
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+x+xSometimes when you know very little about a subject it is best to be quiet. I have made no comment on the new team in Sydney and if it will work. I do not live there so I would not have much of a idea to its success. City are not from the northern suburbs. The northern suburbs do not identify with them. They do not play games (not even friendlies there). Victory have more of a connection with the northern suburbs than City do. This is City's issue. They have no connection with any area and that is why they have been a flop. Western United will have that connection with an area once they get their stadium up and the population of that area grows. Dandenong is an area that is set to go right now. For the A league to prosper it needs a strong presence in Melbourne. Melbourne will soon be the biggest city in Australia and it is certainly has the biggest sporting fan culture. Get it right in Melbourne and the rest will work. That is why City has been such a let down. No location. No fans. No big interest in A league in Melbourne and thus Australia.This point is the key to the success of the A league. We need a Victory vs Somebody. Like SFC has with WSW (but it will be much bigger here if done correct). It will never happen with City. It might happen with MV vs WU but it is years away. It could happen with MV vs a Dandenong team in just a few years. This point is more important to success than a second division or any other matter. Melbourne is the key. If we can get good crowds to rugby here and amazing crowds to the rubbish that is AFL imagine how real football could take off in Melbourne. MC have been a huge mistake in achieving this outcome. cracking post. Where City market their team is smart trying to get fans from the city areas. Geographically they are from the northern suburbs, you two are rusted on haters, negative..actually adjust your skirts your embarrassing!!
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+x+xMelbourne won't be the largest city in the future, demographics not heading that way to that degree.. CIty are Northern suburbs prodominently and want a slice out of metro area as well. Best you don't blow hot air. next time do everyone a favour and do a bit of research before hitting the Post button. it would have taken you 30 seconds to google. The stats you got are fake news, you are alittle foolish.
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+x+x+xMelbourne won't be the largest city in the future, demographics not heading that way to that degree.. CIty are Northern suburbs prodominently and want a slice out of metro area as well. Best you don't blow hot air. next time do everyone a favour and do a bit of research before hitting the Post button. it would have taken you 30 seconds to google. The stats you got are fake news, you are alittle foolish. No. https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/booming-melbourne-to-become-nation-s-largest-city-by-2026-20190327-p5186v.html
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+x+x+xWhy with Australian football fans, the idea of what club a fan supports or the clubs identity strictly comes from where the fan lives as well as where the club is located specifically within a city, east, west, north etc? It's only one variable of many that differentiate people from supporting clubs within the same city. I lived and was working in Madrid, the reasoning or difference between Atletico Madrid supporters and Real Madrid supporters wasn't necessarily down to who lived south and north of Madrid. I quickly found out what their main difference was between the two clubs and their fans were and immediately became an Atleti supporter through feeling the same connection. Atletico supporters are hard working class people. I went to a pub and you could literally see the difference between the two fans. But thats just one other variable that could shape people's association with a football club. Another example was while I was living in Rome too. Roma aren't even located in the inner city of Rome, yet they have the majority of fanbase in Rome. Roma are the perfect example for both Victory and City to follow, but for this argument mostly City. Roma represents the whole of the city, as do Lazio, they have this inner city image like City and similarly too, they're not based within the inner city. Lazio is located next to the Stadio Olympico, while as mentioned Roma are located close to an hour away from the stadium (40 plus mins without traffic). Yet, many inner Romans, follow Roma regardless of where they're located. There are other variables, people need to realise that. I for one don't live in the north, yet I'm a City supporter. It's certainly true that there are other variables at play for a club identity than just geography. The ethnic ex NSL clubs also being a prime example. Hence the "western sydney is geography, Sydney fc is a state of mind" TIFO that flew over so many people's heads a few years back. No, Sydney fc are not West cause thats Wanderland, they are not South/West cause thats cow bells territory MacArthur fc. They are Sydney City and Northorth/West (towards ryde). They curremtly play at Kogarah (southern Syd) and Leichhardt Oval (slightly North/west) until Allianz is re-constructed in the metro area. They may want to tell everyone that they cover every geographical place in Sydney though.
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Good article but off the mark, Sydney is sprawling in the west and southwest like a tsunami. So is south east qld.
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+xGood article but off the mark, Sydney is sprawling in the west and southwest like a tsunami. So is south east qld. So you dispute the ABS stats?
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+xGood article but off the mark, Sydney is sprawling in the west and southwest like a tsunami. So is south east qld. So is Melbourne in both the east and west. South east QLD is growing because there are heaps of people leaving both Sydney and Melbourne and moving up there because they get so much more house for their dollar.
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+x+x+xWhilst results are very important, from a geographical point of view are victory much different from city? Or is it simply that they were first team in the state. The fault really lies with FFA for not starting with 2 teams from the beginning. Victory might be a success but equally responsible for the current predicament. If we were taking geographic both heart and victory should never have happened. It should have been east v west from the start. Captain hindsight here and i can appreciate why the ffa went the one team per town model to give the financial backers some confidence and security. But ultimately the best way Melbourne could've done it wouldve been South Melb at Bob Jane in rectangular format and Victory at Olympic Park in its first season. That would've generated an extremely tasty rivalry from the get go. Still no reason why Victory wouldn't have had strong rivalries with Syd and Adel at the same time. Yeah the rivalry between Victory and South Melbourne would have been amazing. Hopefully one day it will happen. That ship has sailed. All bias aside it was such an obvious choice. When 8k ppl turned up to that friendly midweek in mid 2007 that should have been the green light. Facebook wasnt even a thing yet it was just promoted on the 2 clubs forums with 5 days notice and they poured in by the thousands that night.
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+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell.
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+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. Problem is what happens when you go through a rough patch/transitional years when you are not successful or playing well at all? Though I think it might the only option left for City, building your identity solely around success is well...
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+x+xWhy with Australian football fans, the idea of what club a fan supports or the clubs identity strictly comes from where the fan lives as well as where the club is located specifically within a city, east, west, north etc? It's only one variable of many that differentiate people from supporting clubs within the same city. I lived and was working in Madrid, the reasoning or difference between Atletico Madrid supporters and Real Madrid supporters wasn't necessarily down to who lived south and north of Madrid. I quickly found out what their main difference was between the two clubs and their fans were and immediately became an Atleti supporter through feeling the same connection. Atletico supporters are hard working class people. I went to a pub and you could literally see the difference between the two fans. But thats just one other variable that could shape people's association with a football club. Another example was while I was living in Rome too. Roma aren't even located in the inner city of Rome, yet they have the majority of fanbase in Rome. Roma are the perfect example for both Victory and City to follow, but for this argument mostly City. Roma represents the whole of the city, as do Lazio, they have this inner city image like City and similarly too, they're not based within the inner city. Lazio is located next to the Stadio Olympico, while as mentioned Roma are located close to an hour away from the stadium (40 plus mins without traffic). Yet, many inner Romans, follow Roma regardless of where they're located. There are other variables, people need to realise that. I for one don't live in the north, yet I'm a City supporter. It's certainly true that there are other variables at play for a club identity than just geography. The ethnic ex NSL clubs also being a prime example. In fact ethnicity acts to negate the geographic identity
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. The problem is that you're talking about a cyclical uptick in Richmond's membership that will come and go over the years, not their foundation of their fanbase as a club, which is something City is still struggling with.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. Problem is what happens when you go through a rough patch/transitional years when you are not successful or playing well at all? Though I think it might the only option left for City, building your identity solely around success is well... We know what happens. Its been happening for all of heart/city's lives. yet they're still going
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. The problem is that you're talking about a cyclical uptick in Richmond's membership that will come and go over the years, not their foundation of their fanbase as a club, which is something City is still struggling with. How? Their base is about 7-10k. We know that its a base because thats the membership when they're winning nothing. I wouldn't call it struggling, even as compared to many first tier European Leagues. And thats the problem- spectator sport in Melbourne is huge even as compare to the rest of the world
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. The problem is that you're talking about a cyclical uptick in Richmond's membership that will come and go over the years, not their foundation of their fanbase as a club, which is something City is still struggling with. How? Their base is about 7-10k. We know that its a base because thats the membership when they're winning nothing. I wouldn't call it struggling, even as compared to many first tier European Leagues. And thats the problem- spectator sport in Melbourne is huge even as compare to the rest of the world I won't believe any crowd figure over 3k for today's match. Their problem has always been that they are Not Melbourne Victory. They have always had an identity problem. Wearing Heart's colours for a game won't be the solution.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. The problem is that you're talking about a cyclical uptick in Richmond's membership that will come and go over the years, not their foundation of their fanbase as a club, which is something City is still struggling with. How? Their base is about 7-10k. We know that its a base because thats the membership when they're winning nothing. I wouldn't call it struggling, even as compared to many first tier European Leagues. And thats the problem- spectator sport in Melbourne is huge even as compare to the rest of the world I won't believe any crowd figure over 3k for today's match. Wearing Heart's colours for a game won't be the solution. Good active numbers tho.. Better and louder than the NT recently.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThis fallacy about Melbourne City and a lack of an identity!! Melbourne City's identity is that they are a satellite club for Manchester City. And the problem is? As Heart they were on life support. City group acted as surgeons at the operating table and turned them financially into a powerhouse. It's not a problem at all. But without any sense of geographical or strong cultural identity to anchor themselves with, they then have to rely on Australian Manchester City fans (or non-Man Utd fans) to convert or win people over with success/champagne football. They haven't really done any of that, bar one FFA CUP victory. Though they might be a financial powerhouse, relative CFG's wealth and expenditure with other CFG clubs, it's barely been flexed here. They've had Robbie Koren as a marquee (Not successful), David Villa (who only played four game and very clear that he didn't want to be here) and Tim Cahill (who left soon after). If their identity is simply Manchester City in Melbourne, well why don't they spend like it? They dont spend because its been proven to not be a smart decision for a number of reasons. This season the club had done more connecting to fans and building a strong culture than they ever have. I've noticed this season they're doing more things to connect the club to Melbourne than ever before. Sure there is still the CFG connotation there but inside 4 walls (being a member) there's less and less of this. CFG had learnt many lessons over the 5 years they've been here. I'm certain the biggest mistakes they've made are behind us. To people on the outside this may not be apparent yet. But if the club continue to do what they have been doing the last 6 months then people will start to take notice. And this coupled with success will make the club look very different in the eyes of the neutrals and naysayers. A lot has to go right. Time will tell. In the lack of geographical/social/cultural identity that anchors every other sporting club, I do believe success and excellent football is going to be the best (only) way for City to cut through the sporting landscape and carve out its own identity. I tend to agree. City is a club for the next generation or the generation after them. They are not going to see some massive upturn in membership/attendances in a year or two. Once they win some trophies or at least make a grand final or two, then they will start growing. People in Melbourne want winners, simple as that. I don't like referring to the AFL, but this is a good example that illustrates the point. Richmond were pretty much rubbish-to-average all through the 90s and 00s. Their membership tally in 2010 was 35.9K. This is a club with a very long and rich history. After 9 years of building up their performances, becoming a top 8 side and winning some trophies they had 103.3k members this year. They nearly tripled their membership in less than a decade, simply by being successful. That's what it takes to win the fans over in Melbourne. I guarantee there are easily 20-30k+ city fans out there, but they are not going to commit to the club until they start demonstrating they can be properly successful. The problem is that you're talking about a cyclical uptick in Richmond's membership that will come and go over the years, not their foundation of their fanbase as a club, which is something City is still struggling with. How? Their base is about 7-10k. We know that its a base because thats the membership when they're winning nothing. I wouldn't call it struggling, even as compared to many first tier European Leagues. And thats the problem- spectator sport in Melbourne is huge even as compare to the rest of the world I won't believe any crowd figure over 3k for today's match. Wearing Heart's colours for a game won't be the solution. Good active numbers tho.. Better and louder than the NT recently. The NT is very much going through a recovery phase.
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It's interesting, when we simply separate membership numbers, we are 500 away from 12,000 members. For some perspective this is after Joyce brought some of the dire football I have ever witnessed. As a comparison, what victory have done is they have created rusted on fans through some successful results. Admittedly the crowd on Friday wasn't good. I don't buy the shocking weather as an excuse. You brave it and turn up. But I can't speak for those that didn't go. But I'd go out on a limb to say that this supporter base ability to grow with some success is a certainty. I see 15,000 members at least as a certain possibility with a title and some repeat success in the season after. And I see the majority of those showing up to games regularly.
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SO our y league team plays at CB Smith Reserve our w league plays at ABD Stadium
so to the people saying we should base our team in the northern suburbs, how do you think these teams will go with their crowds?
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+xSO our y league team plays at CB Smith Reserve our w league plays at ABD Stadium so to the people saying we should base our team in the northern suburbs, how do you think these teams will go with their crowds? It's the y league and w league. Is there even a discussion point here?
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So atm WU average 6,199 and city average 8,369
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+xSo atm WU average 6,199 and city average 8,369 Those averages are boosted by the MV games. If you exclude the MV games, the averages are MC 6,916 and WU 5,638.
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If WU had the stadium up and running, surely they'd be getting close to 10k? Would have a clear connection with the "West" of Melbourne.
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+x+xSo atm WU average 6,199 and city average 8,369 Those averages are boosted by the MV games. If you exclude the MV games, the averages are MC 6,916 and WU 5,638. I think a team at Dandenong would (in a new stadium) be doing better than both MC or WU. Now before you say WU do not have their stadium yet you need to consider "will WU ever have a new stadium?". I think the answer to that is beginning to look like a NO.
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+xIf WU had the stadium up and running, surely they'd be getting close to 10k? Would have a clear connection with the "West" of Melbourne. That all depends on what the club looks like in 3-4 years time. If they had their own stadium right now, I could see them hitting 10k given the squad and results they have been getting this season. However in 3-4 years time, if they have a rubbish squad and have missed finals every year (except this one), then they will get sub 6k crowds.
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+x+xIf WU had the stadium up and running, surely they'd be getting close to 10k? Would have a clear connection with the "West" of Melbourne. That all depends on what the club looks like in 3-4 years time. If they had their own stadium right now, I could see them hitting 10k given the squad and results they have been getting this season. However in 3-4 years time, if they have a rubbish squad and have missed finals every year (except this one), then they will get sub 6k crowds. Spot on! New teams need to come in with their stadium built. Or at least have a temporary ground in a good location with stadium being built not just in a planning phase.
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Interesting dynamic this weekend... City should get a bigger crowd than usual this weekend 2 v 3 on the table. WU playing first game at Whitten Oval on Aus day.. who will get the bigger crowd?
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