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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019  | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari? The ticket prices are very reasonable these days. Used to be ridiculous. They do hit your hip pocket another way by charging outrageous food and drink prices tho. Enjoy yourself and stay out of that cooking sun as much as possible. Dont forget to keep us peasants posted on proceedings during the match. Go the Baggy Greens.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game. Rubbish.. MCG is a road of all roads. A disgrace to cricket. The Gabba has pace the Waca has pace.. the Perth Stadium has surprising pace.. but the MCG is a bloody hiway. Rubbish. All your pitches bar Hobart are roads. They're not slow, they're one paced and fast, they're roads. Adelaide was famously the worst road of all until it started getting day night tests. But judging by Warner's 335* and Yadier's century, its back to being a road. Gabba not a road? Yet Aus amass 580 when Smith gets out for 4? The worst I have seen lately was that WACA 2015 pitch, utterly horrible. Broke Mitch Johnson into retirement. NZ has been pretty bad in the over road production of late too. Far too many tests have been played on roads here since 2013. Difference is, the same Kookaburra seems to swing more in NZ than in Aus. But when there is no swing, it is too often a borefest saved only Wagner's bouncer spells. Its the extra bounce in Australia that most the foreign batsmen complain or have issues with if and when they fail there. Pace, heh, wickets are easier to bat on when they quicken up and flatten out.
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Sporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
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ps. The formatting on this site seems to have a mind of its own lol.
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The MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface.
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+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. That's one way of fixing it! :)
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Seems the curator has taken the advice to "get the pitch to do something, anything" a little too far!
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+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually.
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+x+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually. Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy??
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+x+x+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually. Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy?? Not in Australia that I can recall. Was something similar in the West Indies in a England Test decades ago. I have a feeling a match was called off in India too.
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DC was that you and Pete I just saw in the Members stand.. Pete was wearing a Santa hat.
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+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..."
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Harry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice
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+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument?
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Is that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century?
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+xIs that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century? Yep, according to cricinfo, he has no FC tons...
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+xHarry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal?
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Looks a bit ordinary that. The ball seaming around is good but not raring up like that. Under prepared? Certainly needed something to make it a bit lively, maybe overdone it a bit :) Will be interesting to see how it pans out against the kiwis. Bowl first and hope it settles down later, if it's anything like this. WA batters in the firing line on dangerous MCG pitch.
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+x+xHarry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal? https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/nsw-blues-new-south-wales-queensland-sheffield-shield-day-one-match-report-video-highlights/2019-12-07
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Harry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was.
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+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too.
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+xHarry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was. ...and what's with the hair?!?!
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+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect.
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+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. Huh? I have no idea what you're going on about. I said Aussie pitches bar Hobart are typically fast roads and that it is the extra bounce that typically causes problems for overseas batsmen in Australia. Baggers said the MCG is a highway. You reference an England game where there was medium bounce at the start but pitched slowed down, meaning less bounce, but never deviated or broke up. But the things is, the MCG was a seam bowlers pitch in the India test last year as it was even slower than the year before. Bowlers dominated. Now what you call fast and bouncy is propbably compared to the Gabba and WACA cos you probably don't watch much international cricket. Whereas someone from the sib continent or WI until 2 years ago, would still consider the MCG a bouncy track. Your pitches are much bouncier than NZ's also. So I really do not understand any of your "points". No offence.
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+x+xHarry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was. ...and what's with the hair?!?! I have no idea what kinda fashion statement Harry is making. Looks bloody awful to me. Who cares if he is making a bowling statement. Australia's most improved bowler along with Wes Agar in my humble opinion.
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bumping.
DC was that you and Pete I saw in the Members stand.. Pete was wearing a Santa hat.
PS: Those pics?
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