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Bancroft out, Pattinson in, is that right? I will be there on day 1 and day 3.
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Don't like NZ's chances here.
Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting.
So we're a wicket down before we begin.
Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing?
Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously?
Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up.
I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville.
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+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood?
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special.
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+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day.
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+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019  | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) That WI attack smashed England and gutted India and still lost tbh... But their batting is so weak. No Warner at home, no Smith, no Labu... Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) Noone globally really cares about the Aus attack with Ind, WI putting up much better numbers and SA winning in Aus... and beating you at home... :) We're scared about Smith. Warner. And your home town bully batsmen. They scare us. Your bowlers. Lol. NZ sent Mitch Johnson into retirement in 2015 - this time it could be Starc or Haze.
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+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari? good on you for taking the kids. i know the money comes tv and advertising, so there is no need for these high ticket prices when they could simply sell it out for a fiver and make the same and abetter tv product, but good on you :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. My gut feeling is that Smith will continue to have a poor Summer, by his standards. So maybe the spinners will have his number. Stranger things have happened! How do you see NZ batters handling Cummins and Hazlewood? Im not worried about Australia's bowlers. I am worried about score board pressure on our batsmen and our bowlers not getting your batsmen out. I really don't rate the Aus attack as highly as India's or SA's. They're good. They're not special. Even though Cummins has by far and away the most test wickets this year (51 from 19 innings), clear from Broad by a margin of 13? At an average of 20.31? The best for India is Shami with 33 from 16 innings at 16.66. Rabada has 26 from 12 at 28.19. Hazlewood and Starc have 32 and 31 wickets apiece and Lyon has 35. The only other Indian in the top 10 is Ishant with 25 from 12 at 15.56. Good averages, I'll grant you, but it's wickets that count at the end of the day. Broad? Lol. Everyone on here knows I think he's totally rubbish. Cummins is a good bowler. But he only one bowler. The rest are like Wagner level and not special - or worse. I rate Rabada, Ngidi, Philander, et al highly, and Shami, Sharma, Bumrah Jadeja et al for India highly. I pretty much think Aus entirely sucks away from home and deserves no respect when both India and SA beat them at home. Tbh. :) When you win an away series, talk to me about your attack. In the meantime - I worry about your batsmen on flat pitches... you want real stats... here are real stats... | View overall figures [change view] | | Start of match date between 1 Jan 2019 and 4 dec 2019 | | Ordered by bowling average (ascending) |
I know Australians dont understand it, but a lot of us outside Aus or media sycophancy - do not rate your bowlers - and think your bowlers caused sandpapergate by sucking compared to SA's. They have height and pace - good for Aus, but they suck everywhere else, hence why Aus has not won away since NZ gave you roads in 2015/16. Accept it, many non AUstralians and non-media pandering to rich big 3 - don't rate your attack as highly as SA or Indias. Not even close. They beat you home and away. Its a no brainer. Just look at Bumrah, Yadav, etiher Yadav - pick one, Shami and Sharma, what are you talking about with Cummins? LOL! ;) Cummins is a great bowler. But get real dude... :) OK by that reckoning, you agree that Stone is currently the best bowler in the world? With 3 wickets for the year? And that Mitch Marsh is a better bowler than Sharma? Of the top 20 in that list, only 4 have bowled more than 10 innings. And the top 4 placegetters have a grand total of 15 wickets between them - which is approximately half what Cummins took just in the Ashes series. LOL. This is the worst straw man attempt I have ever seen. Good luck with this. "Runs matter and Shane Warne scored 6 times as many as Brad Hodge, clearly Shane was the better batsman :)" I'm not even going to debate with you further. You will just waste my time sadly at this level. If you want a statistical or analytical education, I will not be providing you one for free. Good night. And good luck. Nawwww I was enjoying our chat! Bobbie dont make the mistake of getting into debate with Paddles as it will turn into a free for all. He clearly dislikes (unlike several of his countrymen I am acquainted with) anything about Australian cricket and loves putting in the boot at any give chance. So if Australia kicks the Black Caps bum next month I will be ruthless with my post mortem. So lucky you.. seeing two pinkie Test days live. What is that setting you back? Last time I saw a live Test I almost roasted under the sweltering summer sun at the SCG. We had requested undercover seating but when we arrived we were in the concourse. I spent half the day applying sun screen and trying to stay cool. At one stage we spent some time in the peasants room.. full of chairs and table and one large tv screen.. and those rowdy, drunken Richies that had also invaded the place to avoid the heat. You know I foolishly didn't even think of the sun when I bought my ticket! Just wanted to get as close to the action as possible. Forecast isn't out yet for Thurs but it's 39 for Wednesday. On day 1 I'll be next to the sight screen in row 2 on the South East part of the ground, so pretty much in the full sun for most of the late afternoon. So, long-on / 3rd man-ish. That set me back $80. Then on day 3 I'm taking the kids to the alcohol free zone next to members on the North West side, so possibly some shade there. Those tickets were $50 a pop. Luckily I'm not one who enjoys fancy dinners and fast cars! I'll leave that to Shane Warne. Although doesn't he prefer a bag of chips in his ferrari? The ticket prices are very reasonable these days. Used to be ridiculous. They do hit your hip pocket another way by charging outrageous food and drink prices tho. Enjoy yourself and stay out of that cooking sun as much as possible. Dont forget to keep us peasants posted on proceedings during the match. Go the Baggy Greens.
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+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. Really like my opening post in this thread. Really also like the one where I said our problem would be letting Aus score 400/500 and 600 to oftenm but I won't quote that seeing it was in reply to someone I will not engage with anymore. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. And I would love to know what NZ has in plan for Labu, cos he is just scoring like the Don right now.
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. Really like my opening post in this thread. Really also like the one where I said our problem would be letting Aus score 400/500 and 600 to oftenm but I won't quote that seeing it was in reply to someone I will not engage with anymore. I’m really pleased you like your own posts so much, Paddles.
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though.
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+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. Correct DC. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that. Les Burdett the newly annointed "legendary pitch whisperer" by the press says.... You'll have a pitch that has more life in it than in years gone by and that it will also make for an entertaining contest sounds good.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that. Les Burdett the newly annointed "legendary pitch whisperer" by the press says.... You'll have a pitch that has more life in it than in years gone by and that it will also make for an entertaining contest sounds good. Hope Les is right, Baggers.
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I'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series.
I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently.
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+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. Boult and Southee wont find swing bar the evening session at Perth if the ball is new when they get it. So I wouldn't worry about that. If you were facing them in England - you'd have a real problem, though. Noone knows who the back up bowlers will be besides Wagner, could be Fergo, Henry or some lame duck spin allrounder. So this far out - noone knows. NZ gets no warm up game at all. Seriously. Not a single one. They arrive in Perth, get some training sessions and play a test. LOL. NZ isn't sending its best two spinners over - so don't worry about the spin attack that has given us much pride in Asia lately, they're not in the squad. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P Dustbowls or greenies with Dukes, I'd def favour NZ, but on roads, I favour Aus. But teams without India or Safricas bowling attack need those big centuries, NZ will need some double centuries from Watling, Williamson and Taylor too to get draws on your roads.
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+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket.
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+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game.
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+x+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game. Rubbish.. MCG is a road of all roads. A disgrace to cricket. The Gabba has pace the Waca has pace.. the Perth Stadium has surprising pace.. but the MCG is a bloody hiway.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. I am a realist. Try not to let my heart rule my head. I will always be a parochial Australian supporter but when I team poses a threat I admit it. The Black Caps pose us a threat. I will tell you why I think that. Firstly their record over the past 3 years is very good.. home and away. Better than ours. Our advantage is we are playing in familiar conditions. Due to changing our traditional pitches to drop ins we had to adapt to slower, lower bouncing decks (roads)..and we have become very good home track bullies as a result. The First Test will be anyones match.. The Kiwis attack is disciplined and their strike pair are competent at moving the ball both in the air and off the deck. Even more dangerous under lites. Their back up bowlers will give nothing away also so the Aussie batsmen must be at the top of their game. The MCG shud be a happy hunting ground for Australia while the SCG will suit spin..as CA seems to want at least one turning deck per series. Victory may well depend on who takes the best spin attack into the game. And your drop ins are not slow. They are fast as heck. A slow pitch is a tough pitch to bat on cos the ball grabs and deviates, laterally and speed after bouncing variably, a fast pitch easier to time and rely on. I know that sounds backwards, but its the truth. Roads are fast, offroads are slow... :P The MCG says hello. No pace, no bounce, no seam, no swing, no spin and no enjoyment.....for fans or players. Maybe a bit of uneven bounce if you're lucky. That's how it's been in recent times anyway. It's the reason we are only 9-1-0 over the poms instead of 10-0-0. That pitch was particularly awful to the extent it was simply unreasonable to expect a result between two international standard teams on such a wicket. MCG has pace. Especially on a world standard. Its not slow. Read my post again. Pace is a batsman's friend. Slow is not. Hobart is your slowest pitch. Slow is difficult to bat on, fast glass is easy... Aussie pitches are fast and bouncy. Higher bounce is the issue for foreign batsmen to get used to. I wouldn't use the poms as an example as Mitch Marsh was making ton after ton on your roads, I think Cook just found some form in one game. Rubbish.. MCG is a road of all roads. A disgrace to cricket. The Gabba has pace the Waca has pace.. the Perth Stadium has surprising pace.. but the MCG is a bloody hiway. Rubbish. All your pitches bar Hobart are roads. They're not slow, they're one paced and fast, they're roads. Adelaide was famously the worst road of all until it started getting day night tests. But judging by Warner's 335* and Yadier's century, its back to being a road. Gabba not a road? Yet Aus amass 580 when Smith gets out for 4? The worst I have seen lately was that WACA 2015 pitch, utterly horrible. Broke Mitch Johnson into retirement. NZ has been pretty bad in the over road production of late too. Far too many tests have been played on roads here since 2013. Difference is, the same Kookaburra seems to swing more in NZ than in Aus. But when there is no swing, it is too often a borefest saved only Wagner's bouncer spells. Its the extra bounce in Australia that most the foreign batsmen complain or have issues with if and when they fail there. Pace, heh, wickets are easier to bat on when they quicken up and flatten out.
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+xI'm getting a hint of excuse making already lol, and the talk changing noticeably in tone, which seems strange. The Kiwis are a real chance IMO, this is the best chance they've had in many years. They are a good team, I guess we're about to see how good. The first one is their best chance, they could kick the series off in their favour. I still have Aus favourites (either here or in NZ we would be favourites) but it should be a good series. I hope when they get to the MCG they provide a better wicket than they have been dishing up recently. NZ's a good team - no doubt. Much better than all the euro teams in Asia lately. You wont see NZ folding to SL or Pak like Aus did in Asia. But NZ suck in Aus on your bouncy roads. And with Smith and Warner back - we will have no answer in the bowling department. Aus to score 400/500/600+ regularly. Aus hands down favourites. But still not a better team internationally, or you would actually not get thrashed in Asia everywhere :)
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Yeah, the ball has been coming onto the bat beautifully at the mcg in recent times (sarcasm).
I was using the more standard physics definition of pace, as a measure of distance covered in a period of time. I forgot about that other non standard cricket forums definition "whatever supports your opinion" lol.
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+xYeah, the ball has been coming onto the bat beautifully at the mcg in recent times (sarcasm). I was using the more standard physics definition of pace, as a measure of distance covered in a period of time. I forgot about that other non standard cricket forums definition "whatever supports your opinion" lol. yeah - Im using the same definition. Pace is easier than slow. Its bounce on ultra fast pitches that is the problem at old WACA and SABINA.... But if you dont know slow is a tough batting pitch, you really aint been watching much Tasmania, England or Asian cricket... :P
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So there's no such thing as a pitch that "does nothing"? Interesting take.
Ah well, I just hope that pacey demon of an mcg pitch (surely the scourge of keepers with it's pace and carry) actually has something that won't have fans (and players) falling asleep this time. If it is remotely like the pitch against the poms, CA should think of playing boxing day matches elsewhere for the good of the game in this country despite the gate.
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"The MCG pitch used for the Boxing Day Ashes Test has been rated poor by the International Cricket Council. The heavily-criticised surface produced a dull draw, with minimal pace and bounce on offer and a lack of deterioration thwarting England’s attempts to force a first win of the series." https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/02/mcg-pitch-rated-poor-icc-ashes-test
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Will be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money.
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+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Yes, throw a pink ball and lights into that equation and anything could happen. Their (fast) bowling is not very likely to keep up with us in our normal flat dry conditions (unlike India), so anything that veers from this will increase their chances. I notice they are already advertising day 5 as a gold coin donation for entry. Seems they'e not confident of it going the distance.
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+x+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Yes, throw a pink ball and lights into that equation and anything could happen. Their (fast) bowling is not very likely to keep up with us in our normal flat dry conditions (unlike India), so anything that veers from this will increase their chances. I notice they are already advertising day 5 as a gold coin donation for entry. Seems they'e not confident of it going the distance. Whoever wins the toss will be very happy to bat first. 40 deg forecast for day 1.
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+xWill be interesting to see what the Optus Stadium pitch dishes up. Last year for the India test, Sharma, Shami, Kohli and Lyon were all on the money. Perth Stadium produced a cracker of a last test from memory. It had bounce and carry similar to the old WACA which surprised many as it is also a NOTORIOUS drop in. like the dreaded MCG.
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Sporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
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ps. The formatting on this site seems to have a mind of its own lol.
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+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..."
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+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument?
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+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too.
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+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect.
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+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18693/scorecard/1144995/australia-vs-india-3rd-test-india-in-aus-2018-19Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. Huh? I have no idea what you're going on about. I said Aussie pitches bar Hobart are typically fast roads and that it is the extra bounce that typically causes problems for overseas batsmen in Australia. Baggers said the MCG is a highway. You reference an England game where there was medium bounce at the start but pitched slowed down, meaning less bounce, but never deviated or broke up. But the things is, the MCG was a seam bowlers pitch in the India test last year as it was even slower than the year before. Bowlers dominated. Now what you call fast and bouncy is propbably compared to the Gabba and WACA cos you probably don't watch much international cricket. Whereas someone from the sib continent or WI until 2 years ago, would still consider the MCG a bouncy track. Your pitches are much bouncier than NZ's also. So I really do not understand any of your "points". No offence.
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"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years.
And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated.
"India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300.
"But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG?" Your claims above Paddles. You seem to have been arguing with yourself as much as anyone else. Quite amazing that someone could simultaneously hold two completely contradictory views and argue both in the one thread. lol. The idea that it was a "seamers" pitch could only originate from too much time on statsguru. No one who watched it is likely to believe that. In fact the almost universal criticism (from people who did actually watch it) was that it was slow and benign. The same as it was when the poms were here. The same as it was in first class cricket.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. [quote] "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. "Rubbish. All your pitches bar Hobart are roads. They're not slow, they're one paced and fast, they're roads. " " India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300.
"But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG?" Your claims above Paddles. You seem to have been arguing with yourself as much as anyone else. Quite amazing that someone could simultaneously hold two completely contradictory views and argue both in the one thread. lol. Yes - the MCG was an exception last year. Wickets tumbled, scoring was tough, it was no road last year. What is your point? That I recognise the exceptions? Yes, I do. I don't even know why you're so offended if you are - NZ"s premier test venue, the Basin Reserve is repeatedly one of the most roady mcroad that ever roaded - especially the past 6 years. And England are still crying over the roads we served upto them int he 2 tests this summer. That wasn't at the Basin. Last time India was here, we gave them roads, BMAC got a double one test and a tripple the next! This time I'd give them greenies. They have a swing bowling cartel now that is faster than ours. But you can bet, there won't be any spin on offer, even on day 5.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xSporting articles re the MCG in recent years. There are similar observations en masse, so it seems some pundits haven't actually watched any cricket from the MCG in recent years. Or they have a personal bias. Or both. Aussie fans would be very happy if it could be made into a "road" this series, like most of our other wickets, at least then it might keep them awake. It is going to be very disappointing if the recent trend continues. You stick to your guns though Paddles. [quote] "What's the deal with the MCG Pitch?What is happening? The short answer is, not enough. Last season, all five first-class matches at the ground ended in draws. The nadir came in the Boxing Day Test, in which just 24 wickets fell across the five days of the game. But even then it’s not necessarily fun for batsmen. The ball can keep low, meaning that while the threat of getting dismissed because of tricks being played by the pitch is low, it’s hard to score quickly. " Madugalle said: “The bounce of the MCG pitch was medium, but slow in pace and got slower as the match progressed"
"The England captain, Joe Root, described it as “very unresponsive"
"As it stands, Cricket Australia now has 14 days to respond to the ICC’s harsh critique of the lifeless MCG Test pitch before a sanction"
“We were disappointed that the traditional characteristics of the MCG Pitch did not come to the fore during the Boxing Day Test,” Sutherland said today.
Okay https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11249/scorecard/892511/australia-vs-new-zealand-2nd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-australia-2015-16Im on a highway from hell... Worst pitch ever for a bowler in intl cricket... that I have seen... "He is the last of the v8 interceptors, great for Aussie roads..." Which somewhat demonstrates the point that you haven't watched any test cricket at the MCG recently. Not since Nov 2015 it seems. There's no shortage of criticisms. The pom Captain called the pitch "unresponsive". The match referee complained it was slow and dour (and got slower as the match progressed), helping neither the batsmen or bowlers. Hence the sanction. Smith claimed in interviews that it simply had nothing for spinners or the quicks and was too slow for the batsmen to score freely, with the ball too soft when it started to "reverse", and that the pitch was simply bad for cricket. The Indians ended 2-215 on day one. Paine had balls reaching him on the half volley on the first morning, and turned to spin inside the first ten overs of a test match (in Australia), despite having a 4th seamer. That doesn't indicate a fast bouncy Aussie style pitch. Nor does it indicate easy scoring. Hence the further criticisms. Did you watch these matches, keep tabs on first class cricket leading up to this, or is this just another "statsguru" argument? Really don't know why you're so keenly criticizing this pitch as a road - which was the original discussion. India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300. But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG? That you think Cook's double century on a MCG road was a worse road than Taylor's 290 at Perth? All those roads looked the same to me. But its still Adelaide, both statistically throughout history, and famously penned by Martin Crowe which is the most notorious Australian road. Crowe said there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and a hundred at Adelaide. The day night tests have helped quell this Adelaide reputation, but Warner's last test now begs to differ. No - I did not watch Warner's and Yasirs innings. Yes I watched Cooks. Yes I watched Bumrah demolish last year too. So it is another "statsguru" argument then. It is your claim that the MCG is a fast bouncy track that is in question. It hasn't been anything like that for years. Slow, low and dour. It helps no style of bowling and while it's difficult to take wickets, it's difficult work for the batsmen because it's so slow. It makes for terribly boring test matches. We did have ex Aussie players requesting all of the grass be shaved off it, to see if it might take spin, as that would at least be something. Though it looks like the experimentation to overcome this is could see a very different pitch this series, if the recent shield match is an indication of what to expect. Its not a statsguru argument at all. And the MCG was certainly slower last year when India was there. That was certainly a bowler's test match where the bowlers dominated. So I really don't get your point at all. What is your point? That the MCG is a road or not? Cos it was not last year. At all. Nor is it this week - lol. And the year before then it most certainly was a road when Cook was there. So uhmmm, what is your "point"? It was certainly anything but a "fast bouncy track" when the poms were here before that. Your insistence that it is a fast bouncy track and willingness to argue that (up until now), is the point. It seems you now realise you were wrong on that. I never mentioned the generic term "road" (which seems to hold different meaning to different people anyway). I only claimed that it wasn't conducive to pace, bounce, seam or spin. The conditions generally don't encourage swing either. It has been a nothing wicket and has produced dour matches. This has been the criticism of the pitch in recent years. "Rubbish. All your pitches bar Hobart are roads. They're not slow, they're one paced and fast, they're roads. " " India could barely score on it with a run rate of 2.6 before declaring at 443 (thats a fairly low first innings declaration score for a road). And no further innings in that match looked likely to threaten 300.
"But you admit in the India game it was difficult for scoring, that is not a road then is it? So what exactly is your point about the MCG?" Your claims above Paddles. You seem to have been arguing with yourself as much as anyone else. Quite amazing that someone could simultaneously hold two completely contradictory views and argue both in the one thread. lol. Yes - the MCG was an exception last year. Wickets tumbled, scoring was tough, it was no road last year. What is your point? That I recognise the exceptions? Yes, I do. I don't even know why you're so offended if you are - NZ"s premier test venue, the Basin Reserve is repeatedly one of the most roady mcroad that ever roaded - especially the past 6 years. And England are still crying over the roads we served upto them int he 2 tests this summer. That wasn't at the Basin. Last time India was here, we gave them roads, BMAC got a double one test and a tripple the next! This time I'd give them greenies. They have a swing bowling cartel now that is faster than ours. But you can bet, there won't be any spin on offer, even on day 5. Could be plenty of seam on offer at the MCG if the recent shield match is anything to go by. They were directed by CA to at least try to do something about the pitch, as it has has obviously had its day. Looks like they might be trying out one the other wickets they had growing. While it wouldn't be good if it were the same as the recent wicket, the hope is that it will offer something. If it at least deteriorates over the match, that would be something.
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The MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface.
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+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. That's one way of fixing it! :)
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+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually.
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+x+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually. Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy??
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+x+x+xThe MCG has turned full circle.. now getting hammered because it is too dangerous for the batsmen. Resulting in the abandonment of play while a bloke sits on the auto roller for an hour to press some uneven areas into the surface. Play has been called off for today. This is not a good fit for Vicco cricket. Embarrassing actually. Has this ever happened before? A deck deemed too spicy?? Not in Australia that I can recall. Was something similar in the West Indies in a England Test decades ago. I have a feeling a match was called off in India too.
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Seems the curator has taken the advice to "get the pitch to do something, anything" a little too far!
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DC was that you and Pete I just saw in the Members stand.. Pete was wearing a Santa hat.
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Harry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice
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+xHarry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal?
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+x+xHarry Conway finishes off the Bulls with 4 in 6 balls.. just misses a hat trick..twice Wow, that would have been something to watch! What were the modes of dismissal? https://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/nsw-blues-new-south-wales-queensland-sheffield-shield-day-one-match-report-video-highlights/2019-12-07
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Harry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was.
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+xHarry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was. ...and what's with the hair?!?!
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+x+xHarry may be in hot water with that send off of Swepson.. think it was. ...and what's with the hair?!?! I have no idea what kinda fashion statement Harry is making. Looks bloody awful to me. Who cares if he is making a bowling statement. Australia's most improved bowler along with Wes Agar in my humble opinion.
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Is that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century?
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+xIs that Simon Milenko's maiden FC century? Yep, according to cricinfo, he has no FC tons...
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Looks a bit ordinary that. The ball seaming around is good but not raring up like that. Under prepared? Certainly needed something to make it a bit lively, maybe overdone it a bit :) Will be interesting to see how it pans out against the kiwis. Bowl first and hope it settles down later, if it's anything like this. WA batters in the firing line on dangerous MCG pitch.
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I seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series.
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+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. https://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/11249/new-zealand-tour-of-australiaYes DC that Adelaide game was the first ever day/niter from memory.. bit of a nailbiter. Those pesky Kiwis are never really beaten until the last ball.
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+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower.
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+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. In the TCA members, Aussie fans are very confident in the outcome - that Australia will prevail. However, most don't seem to realise that the Kiwis are ranked number 2 in the world, and have played better overseas than Australia in the last few years. Justin Langer has recently waxed lyrical about how good the Kiwis currently are though.
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+x+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. In the TCA members, Aussie fans are very confident in the outcome - that Australia will prevail. However, most don't seem to realise that the Kiwis are ranked number 2 in the world, and have played better overseas than Australia in the last few years. Justin Langer has recently waxed lyrical about how good the Kiwis currently are though. We'd smash Australia in England or Asia imo. We're just much better in those conditions. But we're not playing there. We're playing Australia in Australia. Where NZ bowlers are terrible. Where English bowlers are terrible. Where all Asian attacks bar India are terrible. Simply terrible. Our batsman will fight to give us 650/700 runs in the game, but the bowlers will give your batsmen more is my fear. We just dont have the skill and pace of Rabada, Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Bumrah, Shami with their swing, seam and plus 140 all day pace. You want to win in Australia, you need to bring pace. We don't have the pace. Boult and Wagner are short, so we don't have height/bounce either, - Southee isn't exactly tall for a fast bowler at 6'3". It all comes to Wagner for me - seeing we will stupidly play a spinner who will suck and be useless instead of Ferg - who has pace but never faced 40 degree all day heat for more than 10 overs in a day where he slowed down later anyway. Can Wagner pull something out in his bag of bouncer tricks.
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+x+x+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. In the TCA members, Aussie fans are very confident in the outcome - that Australia will prevail. However, most don't seem to realise that the Kiwis are ranked number 2 in the world, and have played better overseas than Australia in the last few years. Justin Langer has recently waxed lyrical about how good the Kiwis currently are though. We'd smash Australia in England or Asia imo. We're just much better in those conditions. But we're not playing there. We're playing Australia in Australia. Where NZ bowlers are terrible. Where English bowlers are terrible. Where all Asian attacks bar India are terrible. Simply terrible. Our batsman will fight to give us 650/700 runs in the game, but the bowlers will give your batsmen more is my fear. We just dont have the skill and pace of Rabada, Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Bumrah, Shami with their swing, seam and plus 140 all day pace. You want to win in Australia, you need to bring pace. We don't have the pace. Boult and Wagner are short, so we don't have height/bounce either, - Southee isn't exactly tall for a fast bowler at 6'3". It all comes to Wagner for me - seeing we will stupidly play a spinner who will suck and be useless instead of Ferg - who has pace but never faced 40 degree all day heat for more than 10 overs in a day where he slowed down later anyway. Can Wagner pull something out in his bag of bouncer tricks. Pitch cracks open and anything might happen.
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+x+x+x+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. In the TCA members, Aussie fans are very confident in the outcome - that Australia will prevail. However, most don't seem to realise that the Kiwis are ranked number 2 in the world, and have played better overseas than Australia in the last few years. Justin Langer has recently waxed lyrical about how good the Kiwis currently are though. We'd smash Australia in England or Asia imo. We're just much better in those conditions. But we're not playing there. We're playing Australia in Australia. Where NZ bowlers are terrible. Where English bowlers are terrible. Where all Asian attacks bar India are terrible. Simply terrible. Our batsman will fight to give us 650/700 runs in the game, but the bowlers will give your batsmen more is my fear. We just dont have the skill and pace of Rabada, Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Bumrah, Shami with their swing, seam and plus 140 all day pace. You want to win in Australia, you need to bring pace. We don't have the pace. Boult and Wagner are short, so we don't have height/bounce either, - Southee isn't exactly tall for a fast bowler at 6'3". It all comes to Wagner for me - seeing we will stupidly play a spinner who will suck and be useless instead of Ferg - who has pace but never faced 40 degree all day heat for more than 10 overs in a day where he slowed down later anyway. Can Wagner pull something out in his bag of bouncer tricks. Pitch cracks open and anything might happen. It did too.
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+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. With De Grandhomme being able to bowl effortlessly for so many tight overs, NZ could bowl Ferguson in a few short three over spells. Probably four to five of these spells in a day in a day Ferguson could sustain his express pace.
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What about the arrogancy of the MCG hierarchy .Hello there up in your ivory tower.. you may think you own the Boxing Day Test but produce another crappy deck and your days are numbered. Perth Stadium is coming for you. Personally I'd love for Bellerive Oval to get it. TCA will have to double its crowd amenities tho. Got a chuckle from Crash Craddock's article this morning on this very subject.
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+xWhat about the arrogancy of the MCG hierarchy .Hello there up in your ivory tower.. you may think you own the Boxing Day Test but produce another crappy deck and your days are numbered. Perth Stadium is coming for you. Personally I'd love for Bellerive Oval to get it. TCA will have to double its crowd amenities tho. Got a chuckle from Crash Craddock's article this morning on this very subject. Would be great to have Boxing day matches at Bellerive. The MCG was never a great wicket even before it was a drop in, but in recent times it simply isn't good enough. It's not a very aesthetically pleasing stadium, certainly no charm about it. The only thing that's saving it so far is the amount of people it holds ($$$), surely. Will be interesting to see what they dish up on Boxing day.
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+x+xWhat about the arrogancy of the MCG hierarchy .Hello there up in your ivory tower.. you may think you own the Boxing Day Test but produce another crappy deck and your days are numbered. Perth Stadium is coming for you. Personally I'd love for Bellerive Oval to get it. TCA will have to double its crowd amenities tho. Got a chuckle from Crash Craddock's article this morning on this very subject. Would be great to have Boxing day matches at Bellerive. The MCG was never a great wicket even before it was a drop in, but in recent times it simply isn't good enough. It's not a very aesthetically pleasing stadium, certainly no charm about it. The only thing that's saving it so far is the amount of people it holds , surely. Will be interesting to see what they dish up on Boxing day. ($$$) You hit nail on the head. CA relies on the G being all but full on Boxing Day to boost its bulging treasury. Agree the stadium has no charm.. it is frankly..quite ugly.. but it holds 90K screaming fans that lift the Baggy Greens everytime they play there.
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DC what is the reasoning behind TCA giving Mac Wright the vital and difficult First Drop spot. He is a novice and it shud be a seasoned batsman's job.
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+xDC what is the reasoning behind TCA giving Mac Wright the vital and difficult First Drop spot. He is a novice and it shud be a seasoned batsman's job. Good question? This should probably be discussed in the domestic season thread though.
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it will have grass to hold it together, imo...
Maybe Im wrong, on day 5.... hope we bat first then...
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Will the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket?
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+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? That is the $64K question DC. If the latter I can see the Black Caps getting back into the series. They have more time bats than we do. I can, however, see CA keeping the foot on the throat and preparing a lively deck for our faster quicks to exploit. Does Travis Head get another chance. Do we play Mike Neser as a late order bowling all rounder. Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot?
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+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? That is the $64K question DC. If the latter I can see the Black Caps getting back into the series. They have more time bats than we do. I can, however, see CA keeping the foot on the throat and preparing a lively deck for our faster quicks to exploit. Does Travis Head get another chance. Do we play Mike Neser as a late order bowling all rounder. Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I think NZ are gunna feel exhausted, pissed off and demoralised. But they are tough - if anyone can rally, they can. Ferguson confirmed ruled out for remainder.
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+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? That is the $64K question DC. If the latter I can see the Black Caps getting back into the series. They have more time bats than we do. I can, however, see CA keeping the foot on the throat and preparing a lively deck for our faster quicks to exploit. Does Travis Head get another chance. Do we play Mike Neser as a late order bowling all rounder. Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I think NZ are gunna feel exhausted, pissed off and demoralised. But they are tough - if anyone can rally, they can. Ferguson confirmed ruled out for remainder. Nah - NZ lost the toss, 47 degree centre field heat and its an away series, I mean Aus has one won one in the last 4 years, or was 2015/16 their last away win? I checked, it was 2015/16... Only India, England, SA, NZ and SL know how to win away since then it seems :) Aus has never won away with Trump as president of the USA. We're not demoralised. We're just not buying the Aus great story until they stop losing to INdia and SA at home, and actually win something away, even Bangladesh... Even Bangladesh... :)
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+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? That is the $64K question DC. If the latter I can see the Black Caps getting back into the series. They have more time bats than we do. I can, however, see CA keeping the foot on the throat and preparing a lively deck for our faster quicks to exploit. Does Travis Head get another chance. Do we play Mike Neser as a late order bowling all rounder. Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I think NZ are gunna feel exhausted, pissed off and demoralised. But they are tough - if anyone can rally, they can. Ferguson confirmed ruled out for remainder. Nah - NZ lost the toss, 47 degree centre field heat and its an away series, :laugh: = my shoe laces were too tight, wasn't feeling well, had an off day, my cat was having kittens. Perhaps we can just give them the toss, and then not start the match until the poor dears are sure the weather will have them feeling comfortable? The Kiwis have won one single match against Aus this century out of 23 played (a close win by about 6 runs).The tally is 17-1 against. Considering that and as we're told having one of the world's great attacks and rightly should be favourites, I thought they might have had some incentive to make it 16-2. But it seems they folded against (supposedly) one of world crickets most rubbish attacks (or so it goes). All nonsense aside, thought a lively pitch might have helped them (until I looked up the amount of draws they play in NZ). So perhaps a slow MCG pitch will help, will see what happens on boxing day. At least it has been better cricket than the previous series against Pakistan.
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+x+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? That is the $64K question DC. If the latter I can see the Black Caps getting back into the series. They have more time bats than we do. I can, however, see CA keeping the foot on the throat and preparing a lively deck for our faster quicks to exploit. Does Travis Head get another chance. Do we play Mike Neser as a late order bowling all rounder. Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I think NZ are gunna feel exhausted, pissed off and demoralised. But they are tough - if anyone can rally, they can. Ferguson confirmed ruled out for remainder. Nah - NZ lost the toss, 47 degree centre field heat and its an away series, :laugh: = my shoe laces were too tight, wasn't feeling well, had an off day, my cat was having kittens. Perhaps we can just give them the toss, and then not start the match until the poor dears are sure the weather will have them feeling comfortable? The Kiwis have won one single match against Aus this century out of 23 played (a close win by about 6 runs).The tally is 17-1 against. Considering that and as we're told having one of the world's great attacks and rightly should be favourites, I thought they might have had some incentive to make it 16-2. But it seems they folded against (supposedly) one of world crickets most rubbish attacks (or so it goes). All nonsense aside, thought a lively pitch might have helped them (until I looked up the amount of draws they play in NZ). So perhaps a slow MCG pitch will help, will see what happens on boxing day. At least it has been better cricket than the previous series against Pakistan. I just gave you a LIKE for that post Flyslip.
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+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters.
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+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot.
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+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval.
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+x+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval. CA shud also be worried going into a game with only four bowlers after losing Josh last match and leaving us depleted. Just as well we lost him when we were well ahead in the game. CA will never consider tail end runs over a specialist #6 DC. I want Alex Carey to bat #6 when he replaces Tim. This opens up the option for another batsman or bowler.. but they insist on a so called all rounder at #6 over a specialist bat.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval. CA shud also be worried going into a game with only four bowlers after losing Josh last match and leaving us depleted. Just as well we lost him when we were well ahead in the game. CA will never consider tail end runs over a specialist #6 DC. I want Alex Carey to bat #6 when he replaces Tim. This opens up the option for another batsman or bowler.. but they insist on a so called all rounder at #6 over a specialist bat. I like the all rounder type at 6 as opposed to 4 specialist bowlers.
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I think the Kiwis will come back hard in Melbourne.
They are not ranked number 2 for nothing.
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bloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished.
I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut.
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+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Shane Warne says the Black Caps started the Bodyline like assault in Perth and that Australia need to finish in on Boxing Day. The Shiek of Tweak wants CA to unleash James Pattinson on NZ on a pitch he knows like his own backyard..and Warne has an ally in former England captain and commentator Michael Vaughan.
Does Warne know something that we peasants dont.. perhaps the G curator has been ordered to produce a spicey deck if able to on the outdated drop in.
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+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. And this team bounced back from the WC final in SL and vs England - that was the worst thing that has happened to NZC history - ever - really. I certainly don't think they get demoralised from thrashings. India especially has served them up to this group away. It's just business as usual. Now Raval may be completely demoralised. And he should be. Cos he can see his internatrional cricket career falling apart in front of him. But this is not just Australia, its almost everyone for 2 years now, home and away. Santner is too laconic to ever care about anything. And the rest of the team seem pretty happy with their year's performances. So demoralised? I doubt it. Southee and Wagner had big grins at the end of the game. Tbe biggest news over here is the appointment of the new All Black coach.
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+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. And this team bounced back from the WC final in SL and vs England - that was the worst thing that has happened to NZC history - ever - really. I certainly don't think they get demoralised from thrashings. India especially has served them up to this group away. It's just business as usual. Now Raval may be completely demoralised. And he should be. Cos he can see his internatrional cricket career falling apart in front of him. But this is not just Australia, its almost everyone for 2 years now, home and away. Santner is too laconic to ever care about anything. And the rest of the team seem pretty happy with their year's performances. So demoralised? I doubt it. Southee and Wagner had big grins at the end of the game. Tbe biggest news over here is the appointment of the new All Black coach. Yeh and like you the few posters were hurting.. tell me otherwise. I reckon it may hurt even more when big cousin wallops you.. sort of like Oz feels when the Pommies hammer us.. tho I have never regarded them as almost family. The biggest thrill that I get from beating England is knowing that we were victorious against the nation that invented the sport. Imagine how my forefathers that defeated England for the first time back in 1887 to create the Ashes felt.
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+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. And this team bounced back from the WC final in SL and vs England - that was the worst thing that has happened to NZC history - ever - really. I certainly don't think they get demoralised from thrashings. India especially has served them up to this group away. It's just business as usual. Now Raval may be completely demoralised. And he should be. Cos he can see his internatrional cricket career falling apart in front of him. But this is not just Australia, its almost everyone for 2 years now, home and away. Santner is too laconic to ever care about anything. And the rest of the team seem pretty happy with their year's performances. So demoralised? I doubt it. Southee and Wagner had big grins at the end of the game. Tbe biggest news over here is the appointment of the new All Black coach. Yeh and like you the few posters were hurting.. tell me otherwise. I reckon it may hurt even more when big cousin wallops you.. sort of like Oz feels when the Pommies hammer us.. tho I have never regarded them as almost family. The biggest thrill that I get from beating England is knowing that we were victorious against the nation that invented the sport. Imagine how my forefathers that won back in 1887 to create the Ashes felt. I am also a Biritsh citizen, so I don't quite feel the same way as you do at all to be honest. And I certainly consider NZ to be the child of England in every manner, shape and form. I am glad we kept the union jack on our flag. It typically all irks the same when we lose fairly - regardless opposition or margin, it all feels the same when we win for me fairly. Losing to Safrica at home due to rain was far more frustrating and hurt more than when Aus steam rolled us over here. That Lyon edge, hated that at Adelaide, third umpires should be able to do their job. While England Australia are bigger drawcards for NZC fans, and of course India and their migrated fans, the big 3 are just the Big 3. I prefer our series win in UAE vs Pakistan to either of our last series wins over England or our home series win over India. I love it when we win the Chapell Hadlee - but its just like any other series vs India, Pakistan, England, SA, SL etc... I love my team and enjoy seeing them do well. As a NZC fan, this is not the normal situation.
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+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal.
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+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal. LOL. Are you mistaken or lying? NZ has NEVER played Australia in a test in DUNEDIN ever... that i can find... :) Lol at a few years ago... I MEAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aus were last here 2015/16 and played basin and chch, before that, then a decade ago before now, look the big 3 bar England dont come here often... dont pretend like you do. You like money. Not recipiprocity... We know this. India are 7 years since last here. England are over 4 years to host us over there. And you, Aus, and over 8 years to tour here on the ftp and then some. It is what it is. WE dont have cricket money. It's that simple. Dec cricket aint a big deal here. Ever. And cricket aint a big deal here ever. Neither. Wake up and stop being so mistaken. NZ has NEVER EVER EVER EVER played Australia in a test in Dundein at any ground in Dunedin EVER>>>> Not in the history of cricket. I mean ever... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58827.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregatehttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58822.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregateSorry Dec, you're wrong. Firmly so. Not even remotely close to being right. And Dec, if yuou remotely think test cricket here behind a pay wall is a big deal, you're so wrong its not funny. Test cricket is behind, rugby, rugby league, sailing, rowing and basketball.netball for the girls. In that order :) Test cricket here is tiny. We win rugby, sailing, rowing and netball. We dont care about Indian cricket. That's the reality. I dont even care if you accept this, sailing will make this country a fortune next americas cup we host. Cricket never will. Ever. We have never hosted an ICC final cos we dont care about cricket enough... :)
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+x+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal. LOL. Are you mistaken or lying? NZ has NEVER played Australia in a test in DUNEDIN ever... that i can find... :) Lol at a few years ago... I MEAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aus were last here 2015/16 and played basin and chch, before that, then a decade ago before now, look the big 3 bar England dont come here often... dont pretend like you do. You like money. Not recipiprocity... We know this. India are 7 years since last here. England are over 4 years to host us over there. And you, Aus, and over 8 years to tour here on the ftp and then some. It is what it is. WE dont have cricket money. It's that simple. Dec cricket aint a big deal here. Ever. And cricket aint a big deal here ever. Neither. Wake up and stop being so mistaken. NZ has NEVER EVER EVER EVER played Australia in a test in Dundein at any ground in Dunedin EVER>>>> Not in the history of cricket. I mean ever... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58827.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregatehttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58822.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregateSorry Dec, you're wrong. Firmly so. Not even remotely close to being right. And Dec, if yuou remotely think test cricket here behind a pay wall is a big deal, you're so wrong its not funny. Test cricket is behind, rugby, rugby league, sailing, rowing and basketball.netball for the girls. In that order :) Test cricket here is tiny. We win rugby, sailing, rowing and netball. We dont care about Indian cricket. That's the reality. I dont even care if you accept this, sailing will make this country a fortune next americas cup we host. Cricket never will. Ever. We have never hosted an ICC final cos we dont care about cricket enough... :) I must be mistaken. Could it have been Christchurch? There was no big stand behind one of the ends of the pitch. The crowds were decent.
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Against the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one).
It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though.
The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle.
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+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too.
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+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. I also don't worry too much about our recent annus horibilis where we were never going to do much regardless. The claim they are better in (choose country) is about as meaningless as claiming they are better on the moon lol. If they really are as good as the skyting they shouldn't have any trouble at all with us, and shouldn't have lost the first match. Will see how they go from here on in.
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+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. I also don't worry too much about our recent annus horibilis where we were never going to do much regardless. The claim they are better in (choose country) is about as meaningless as claiming they are better on the moon lol. If they really are as good as the skyting they shouldn't have any trouble at all with us, and shouldn't have lost the first match. Will see how they go from here on in. Good points fs.
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+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches?
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+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? That SL series led into the SA series lost at home by Aus, and you had a clean out, that saw Voges dropped, and Burns dropped. Burns is back now. The seam attack is stronger now with Cummins, but its more or less a similar team. Australia's biggest fall from grace in the sub continent, was not getting swept by SL, nor losing in the UAE back to back times now, it was probably losing a test to Bangladesh. That sent tongues wagging around the world tbh. I have said before, Australia's last away series victory was 2015/16, and its last series win in Asia was 2011. If these are not causes for concern, I do not know what is. The home record is fair, losing only to India and SA, the latter now being 3 times in a row, though. A new rivalry building perhaps? People should not be concerned comparing the Australian team with NZ on the other hand, who has drawn its last two series in SL, drawn and beaten Pakistan in the UAE, never lost a test to Bangladesh and also been hammered by India away, but beaten them at home. NZ's success in Asia comes down to simply KW and Latham murdering spin attacks. They average highly against spin, more so than they do against seam. Why Latham is then opening the batting, is quite unfortunate for him. Sommerville and Patel have only been around a year, but success in SL and UAE has been shouldered with their spin bowling, they are yet to play in India. The current NZ side, while one of the better ones I have supported, is far from a complete team. Basing anything as against them is not the strongest foundation. It lacks a SENA spinner, needs an opening batsman replacement, and is a reserve seamer light at the moment - with Henry and Ferg not quite upto high hopes. Whether Nicholls is the real deal, or will be replaced with Conway next year is also up for later debate.
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+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? Of course we are better on home tracks. Most good teams are. Our team is very different (and all round better) than 4 yrs ago in Sri Lanka when we had players like Voges, M Marsh, S Marsh, Henriques, Holland, Neville (and Khawaja). Our first big away series after the clean out from that match against the Saffers was a 4 match series in India. You don't get to be 1 all going into the final match against them without being good in those conditions (as the kiwis found out when they lost 3 nil). A drawn series in Bangladesh away only puts us level with the Saffers, India and England. They were no easy beats in Bangladesh at the time. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again.
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+x+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? Of course we are better on home tracks. Most good teams are. Our team is very different (and all round better) than 4 yrs ago in Sri Lanka when we had players like Voges, M Marsh, S Marsh, Henriques, Holland, Neville (and Khawaja). Our first big away series after the clean out from that match against the Saffers was a 4 match series in India. You don't get to be 1 all going into the final match against them without being good in those conditions (as the kiwis found out when they lost 3 nil). A drawn series in Bangladesh away only puts us level with the Saffers, India and England. They were no easy beats in Bangladesh at the time. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again.
Did it what. Like a bolt of litening was sent thru Aussie cricket. We are on way up again.. but for mine we still have a few weak links in out batting lineup at #2, #5 and specially #6. Burns is still inconsistent but his technique is more solid than in past. Wade will battle but needs a score, Head seems incapable of converting good starts with brain fades. If these three are replaced CA needs to be picking not only good players of pace but also spin for when we tour the sub continent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? Of course we are better on home tracks. Most good teams are. Our team is very different (and all round better) than 4 yrs ago in Sri Lanka when we had players like Voges, M Marsh, S Marsh, Henriques, Holland, Neville (and Khawaja). Our first big away series after the clean out from that match against the Saffers was a 4 match series in India. You don't get to be 1 all going into the final match against them without being good in those conditions (as the kiwis found out when they lost 3 nil). A drawn series in Bangladesh away only puts us level with the Saffers, India and England. They were no easy beats in Bangladesh at the time. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again.
Did it what. Like a bolt of litening was sent thru Aussie cricket. We are on way up again.. but for mine we still have a few weak links in out batting lineup at #2, #5 and specially #6. Burns is still inconsistent but his technique is more solid than in past. Wade will battle but needs a score, Head seems incapable of converting good starts with brain fades. If these three are replaced CA needs to be picking not only good players of pace but also spin for when we tour the sub continent. Well Aus actually have a chance to redeem the last won in Asia 2011 in Bangladesh soon- who are in an absolute rabble now. Shakib is suspended, and the whole team is in crisis and threatened walks outs after their Domestic Pro t20 turned to a shambles, they managed to lose at home to Afghanistan. Who thrashed them. When they still had Shakib. Curiously, Bangladesh has never beaten India, South Africa, Afghanistan, NZ, or Pakistan in a test match. But given almost half the countries now more less are now from Asia (Pak, SL, Indi, Ban, Afg), its pretty much a requirement to play sub continental conditions well. Just as India have put together a formidable seam attack, teams do need a spin attack for Asia. England put together a very interesting team in SL last year, which had great success. Then went and got smashed by the West Indies in seaming and bouncey conditions. Just looking back on that NZ in India series, it was a pretty awful NZ team sent there tbh. Guptill still opening, Ronchi played all 3 tests as a batsman due to injuries, Sodhi, Craig and Jeetan Patel were the spinners with Santner. Southee missed the whole series, with Henry playing, even Neesham played a test. And yet, there is still a core group there that NZ has had since 2012, KW, Taylor, Boult, Wagner, Watling, Latham - the 'old firm'. But yeah, anyone comparing their team to NZ as a foundational basis is barking up the wrong tree. NZ is far from a complete team. But we scrap hard in Asia, not losing away to Pakistan in - well a long time. In fact - NZ might just be the only nation to not lose a series ever in the UAE and actually win one too (admittedly India has never played there). A big change from the days when Pakistan used to turn up here in the 90's and 00's and beat us for fun. But I do think world cricket is going to start to face the inevitable soon. India, with all its wealth, resources, population and total love for the game of cricket, will start to pull away now. Noone is going to beat them in India when they refuse to play Pakistan. SL, Bangla, Afg tour, they get met with a bouncy seamer track. Sena turn up, they get greeted with a dustbowl or a low road that takes turn late. With their wealth and power, they have bought the best coaches, think Lillee, think McGrath, and set up their pace academies. And now they are producing seamers of very high quality like BK, like Bumrah, like Shami... Even their fielding is no longer horrid. With Pakistan now easily left behind by India raising their standards by a mile. Their season goes about 9 months of the year, the IPL gives massive exposure to some of the best foreign talent around. They have the most A tours, home and away, with the England team touring away more than it plays at home. They have multiple structured FC competitions to keep raising the standards of play. And India want to be the best. They want to the AB's of the sport. India has become the benchmark in world cricket. And their player depth, for seamers, for spinners, and their famous batsmen is just unrivalled. The number of intl quality batsmen they have is extraordinary. They're not worried about losing at home, they're now trying to win away. And I think these away wins will start to happen more and more with Kohli and Bumrah leading the charge.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? Of course we are better on home tracks. Most good teams are. Our team is very different (and all round better) than 4 yrs ago in Sri Lanka when we had players like Voges, M Marsh, S Marsh, Henriques, Holland, Neville (and Khawaja). Our first big away series after the clean out from that match against the Saffers was a 4 match series in India. You don't get to be 1 all going into the final match against them without being good in those conditions (as the kiwis found out when they lost 3 nil). A drawn series in Bangladesh away only puts us level with the Saffers, India and England. They were no easy beats in Bangladesh at the time. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again. We were going ok until a certain sand paper saga sent us backwards. Now hopefully we are on the way up again.
Did it what. Like a bolt of litening was sent thru Aussie cricket. We are on way up again.. but for mine we still have a few weak links in out batting lineup at #2, #5 and specially #6. Burns is still inconsistent but his technique is more solid than in past. Wade will battle but needs a score, Head seems incapable of converting good starts with brain fades. If these three are replaced CA needs to be picking not only good players of pace but also spin for when we tour the sub continent. Yeah, agree. We are a couple of batsmen and another good spinner short of a team that can reasonably be expected to perform well anywhere. They're not mugs though, and putting much store in recent performances after the sandpaper fiasco, as some seem to enjoy doing, might be unrealistic. Burns is a stopgap but is usually ok in Aus. Hoping someone like Renshaw will get back into form again (plenty of time he's still young). We have any number of young hopefuls for the lower order. At the moment Wade looks ok (needs some runs soon though) and Head has all the potential in the world, usually gets set then gets himself out. This is the best our middle order has looked in a long time and they're good players of spin. Will be interesting to see if Smith goes the S Waugh route of putting the hookshot away, or the Ponting in decline route of playing at everything. Or somewhere in between. He is going to get peppered for sure. He hasn't been bothered by them either, even with Archer at 150 he was playing them ok (except when he wore one). Not as though he's top edging them everywhere like Ponting did, he's just hitting them straight to the field. Hope he puts the shot away.
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So pre series.... I questioned Raval and Santner, after 1 test, NZ's former batting coach says this... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12294469Former Black Caps batting coach Craig McMillan said it would be "cruel" to keep picking opener Jeet Raval against Australia.The out-of-form Raval was a disaster in the first test in Perth, as Australia won the opening encounter by a mammoth margin.The action shifts to Melbourne next week, for the Boxing Day test, and McMillan says Tom Blundell must replace Raval, while finger spinner Mitchell Santner should also be axed."It's pretty obvious, the opening batting conundrum at the top and the spinner, they're the two who have to be sorted and changes have to be made," McMillan told Radio Sport Breakfast.ADVERTISEMENT
Advertise with NZME."You drop him because playing him again would be cruel. It would actually be silly. Tom Blundell is the batting cover okay. He's covering positions one to six."In an ideal world when you are touring Australia you like to have a reserve opening batsman. New Zealand haven't done that and probably don't have many options in terms of that at the moment."Will Young is out injured and not playing. He would have been the obvious person to fill that gap."Tom Blundell has the skill set that can succeed at the top. He plays fast bowling well; he's a good back foot player."The question for me is would you lose anything by playing him in this next test match? The answer to that is a very simple no so he has to play."And the great thing about Tom Blundell is he would be expecting to play and he would want that opportunity to play in the Boxing Day test."He has all the qualities you want. He actually prefers facing bowling the quicker it gets."He has a great back foot game, plays horizontal bat shots so he has the skill set to deal with the Australian bowlers."ADVERTISEMENTAdvertise with NZME.McMillan said in an ideal world, Blundell - whose two tests were as a wicketkeeper - would not be opening but a pragmatic selection change could bring a big gain."It might be a stop gap for two test matches but it's an opportunity for someone else and you never know what might happen," said former test batsman McMillan.Former test batsman McMillan said Raval should still be dropped even if he scored a lot of runs in the two day game before the second test."If Raval goes out and score runs against a very weak Victorian opposition it doesn't change anything for me," he said."I would give an opportunity to Blundell in that game and then play him in the final two test matches."A straight swap – you can't be changing two or three other positions. Yes, they missed out in that first test but their records over a period of time at numbers four, five six have been so good."McMillan said New Zealand had quality red ball spinners, naming leggie Todd Astle and the orthodox left armer Ajaz Patel.Astle had over 330 first class wickets including 13 five and two ten wicket hauls. Patel had 233 first class wickets, with 18 five wicket bags and three 10 wicket hauls.READ MORE:
• Cricket: Black Caps coach Gary Stead says key team changes are possible
• Cricket: Black Caps tactics in first test defeat in Perth raise 'bodyline' comparisons
• Cricket: Black Caps star Lockie Ferguson flies home as Trent Boult returns to fold
• Any Given Monday: The reason why the Black Caps can beat Australia - but Perth test could be an ambush"And we're picking a guy whose best is three for 20. You work that out," he said of Santner."Mitch did well, he scored that 100, got three-for against England, but at number eight your job has to be taking wickets."(Australian spinner) Nathan Lyon took six wickets in that (Perth) test match. It took a lot of pressure off (Mitchell) Starc and (Pat) Cummins."We need to take some pressure off Neil Wagner and Tim Southee who were outstanding after we lost Lockie Ferguson."The spinner has to be able to pick up three, four, five wickets."[/quote]
What do I know about cricket? lol. But its not Patel, Sommerville is our best, then Patel, then Astle, then Santer... in 4th...
Who called this before the series started? Yeah, I did. And several more kiwi fans...
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The reality every cricket fan knows, but Australians struggle with,
is where cricket is big..
like Pak - Aus lost,
like India, Aus lost,
Like Sl, Aus lost,
Like Bangaldesh, Aus drew after losing a test,
is that SA, Eng, NZ are not mainstream cricket nations, we have footballs... and sailing, and other sports...
Yet SA still won home and away - god bless 'em....
Eng's sport - soccer - clearly, then ruigby - then golf and tennis - then cricket....
SA - rugby and soccer,
TOnga, Samoa and Fiji, rugby and rugby league...
Deal with it boys and girls, its the truth... :)
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Seemed to be "dealt with" just fine at Optus stadium only a few days ago, but thanks for the concern. :laugh:
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India the best at home.... and doing better away than everyone else...
SENA is a joke in Asia, but England and NZ are doing the best in Asia right now. Cos Aus lose a test to Bangaldesh, and Safrica lose to SL like Aus losing to SA at home (not quite true - Aus in Sl was the worst thrashing Aus has ever suffered possibly in the entire history of cricket - incl bodyline). NZ draw away with SL again and beat Pak. Aus and SA lose to Pak. Eng lose to Pak.
It is that simple....
Aus lose at home to India and SA. NZ lose at home to Aus and SA. Eng lose at home.... to noone.... SA lose at home to SL... INdia lose at home to noo:): Pak dont beat anyone away... They like the Aus of Asia... No offence :)
India is the best. Deal with it. Even fi they run from Pak. And they do... Cos Pak knows more than anyone else how to win in India. But globally. Its their game. We're all just pawns in it now... IPL... :)
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Over the three Tests a most enjoyable series - particularly for an Australian.
I'd probably have a few Kiwis in a combined team though. Smith would be lucky to make it at an average of 26. Thoughts?
I haven't seen any Series Averages for batting and bowling for both teams.
If anyone has seen them, it would be great to post them here.
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+x[quote]Over the three Tests a most enjoyable series - particularly for an Australian. I'd probably have a few Kiwis in a combined team though. Smith would be lucky to make it at an average of 26. Thoughts?I haven't seen any Series Averages for batting and bowling for both teams. If anyone has seen them, it would be great to post them here.
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I thought the runscoring rate seemed a bit slow over the series. Particularly, with Australia being the home team it seemed as though they’ve scored runs more quickly in recent series at home.
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Most wickets| Player | Mat | Inns | Overs | Mdns | Runs | Wkts | BBI | BBM | Ave | Econ | SR | 5 | 10 |
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| NM Lyon (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 116.2 | 24 | 345 | 20 | 5/50 | 10/118 | 17.25 | 2.96 | 34.9 | 2 | 1 | | N Wagner (NZ) | 3 | 6 | 157.3 | 33 | 387 | 17 | 4/83 | 7/133 | 22.76 | 2.45 | 55.5 | 0 | 0 | | MA Starc (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 89.5 | 18 | 268 | 15 | 5/52 | 9/97 | 17.86 | 2.98 | 35.9 | 1 | 0 | | PJ Cummins (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 101.4 | 27 | 225 | 12 | 5/28 | 5/75 | 18.75 | 2.21 | 50.8 | 1 | 0 | | TG Southee (NZ) | 2 | 4 | 99.4 | 22 | 309 | 12 | 5/69 | 9/162 | 25.75 | 3.10 | 49.8 | 1 | 0 | | C de Grandhomme (NZ) | 3 | 6 | 111.0 | 17 | 287 | 7 | 3/78 | 3/121 | 41.00 | 2.58 | 95.1 | 0 | 0 | | JL Pattinson (AUS) | 2 | 4 | 49.0 | 11 | 135 | 6 | 3/34 | 6/69 | 22.50 | 2.75 | 49.0 | 0 | 0 | | TD Astle (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 40.0 | 1 | 152 | 3 | 2/111 | 3/152 | 50.66 | 3.80 | 80.0 | 0 | 0 | | M Labuschagne (AUS) | 3 | 5 | 22.0 | 2 | 61 | 2 | 1/9 | 1/11 | 30.50 | 2.77 | 66.0 | 0 | 0 | | MJ Henry (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 44.0 | 5 | 148 | 2 | 1/54 | 2/148 | 74.00 | 3.36 | 132.0 | 0 | 0 | | JR Hazlewood (AUS) | 1 | 1 | 1.2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1/0 | 1/0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 8.0 | 0 | 0 | | JA Raval (NZ) | 2 | 1 | 13.0 | 1 | 33 | 1 | 1/33 | 1/33 | 33.00 | 2.53 | 78.0 | 0 | 0 | | TA Boult (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 40.0 | 3 | 121 | 1 | 1/91 | 1/121 | 121.00 | 3.02 | 240.0 | 0 | 0 | | WER Somerville (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 39.0 | 2 | 135 | 1 | 1/99 | 1/135 | 135.00 | 3.46 | 234.0 | 0 | 0 | | MJ Santner (NZ) | 2 | 4 | 69.0 | 6 | 250 | 1 | 1/22 | 1/104 | 250.00 | 3.62 | 414.0 | 0 | 0 | | TA Blundell (NZ) | 2 | 1 | 3.0 | 0 | 13 | 0 | - | - | - | 4.33 | - | 0 | 0 | | MS Wade (AUS) | 3 | 2 | 3.0 | 0 | 21 | 0 | - | - | - | 7.00 | - | 0 | 0 | | TM Head (AUS) | 3 | 2 | 7.0 | 1 | 24 | 0 | - | - | - | 3.42 | - | 0 | 0 | | LH Ferguson (NZ) | 1 | 1 | 11.0 | 1 | 47 | 0 | - | - | - | 4.27 | - | 0 | 0 |
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| NM Lyon (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 116.2 | 24 | 345 | 20 | 5/50 | 10/118 | 17.25 | 2.96 | 34.9 | 2 | 1 | | N Wagner (NZ) | 3 | 6 | 157.3 | 33 | 387 | 17 | 4/83 | 7/133 | 22.76 | 2.45 | 55.5 | 0 | 0 | | MA Starc (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 89.5 | 18 | 268 | 15 | 5/52 | 9/97 | 17.86 | 2.98 | 35.9 | 1 | 0 | | PJ Cummins (AUS) | 3 | 6 | 101.4 | 27 | 225 | 12 | 5/28 | 5/75 | 18.75 | 2.21 | 50.8 | 1 | 0 | | TG Southee (NZ) | 2 | 4 | 99.4 | 22 | 309 | 12 | 5/69 | 9/162 | 25.75 | 3.10 | 49.8 | 1 | 0 | | C de Grandhomme (NZ) | 3 | 6 | 111.0 | 17 | 287 | 7 | 3/78 | 3/121 | 41.00 | 2.58 | 95.1 | 0 | 0 | | JL Pattinson (AUS) | 2 | 4 | 49.0 | 11 | 135 | 6 | 3/34 | 6/69 | 22.50 | 2.75 | 49.0 | 0 | 0 | | TD Astle (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 40.0 | 1 | 152 | 3 | 2/111 | 3/152 | 50.66 | 3.80 | 80.0 | 0 | 0 | | M Labuschagne (AUS) | 3 | 5 | 22.0 | 2 | 61 | 2 | 1/9 | 1/11 | 30.50 | 2.77 | 66.0 | 0 | 0 | | MJ Henry (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 44.0 | 5 | 148 | 2 | 1/54 | 2/148 | 74.00 | 3.36 | 132.0 | 0 | 0 | | JR Hazlewood (AUS) | 1 | 1 | 1.2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1/0 | 1/0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 8.0 | 0 | 0 | | JA Raval (NZ) | 2 | 1 | 13.0 | 1 | 33 | 1 | 1/33 | 1/33 | 33.00 | 2.53 | 78.0 | 0 | 0 | | TA Boult (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 40.0 | 3 | 121 | 1 | 1/91 | 1/121 | 121.00 | 3.02 | 240.0 | 0 | 0 | | WER Somerville (NZ) | 1 | 2 | 39.0 | 2 | 135 | 1 | 1/99 | 1/135 | 135.00 | 3.46 | 234.0 | 0 | 0 | | MJ Santner (NZ) | 2 | 4 | 69.0 | 6 | 250 | 1 | 1/22 | 1/104 | 250.00 | 3.62 | 414.0 | 0 | 0 | | TA Blundell (NZ) | 2 | 1 | 3.0 | 0 | 13 | 0 | - | - | - | 4.33 | - | 0 | 0 | | MS Wade (AUS) | 3 | 2 | 3.0 | 0 | 21 | 0 | - | - | - | 7.00 | - | 0 | 0 | | TM Head (AUS) | 3 | 2 | 7.0 | 1 | 24 | 0 | - | - | - | 3.42 | - | 0 | 0 | | LH Ferguson (NZ) | 1 | 1 | 11.0 | 1 | 47 | 0 | - | - | - | 4.27 | - | 0 | 0 | Thanks a bunch, Flyslip!
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Based on these figures And watching the whole series I’d suggest a line up of :
Warner
Blundell
Labu
Smith ( wrong about his average)
Head
Paine
De Grandhomme
Starc
Cummins
Lyon
Wagner
Southee took 12 wickets over 2 Tests at 25, whilst Cummins took 12 over 3 Tests at 18, plus the latter only conceded 2 runs per over.
Both had SRs of 49 and 50 respectively, so Southee is unlucky to miss out.
I love all rounders, so I went for CDG as number 7. I was very impressed with his back up bowling when Fergie was injured.
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Surprisingly, Paine was 7th highest run scorer at 38, and had a higher average than Burns, who scored a few more runs, but faced many more balls than the Aussie skipper.
We we all know Williamson has usually been ranked in the top four for years, with Kohli, Smith and Root, and with someone close behind like Pujara.
KW didn’t perform in this series though.
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+xSurprisingly, Paine was 7th highest run scorer at 38, and had s higher average than Burns, who scored a few more runs, but faced many more balls than the Aussie skipper. We we all know Williamson has usually been ranked in the top four for years, with Kohli, Smith and Root, and with someone close behind like Pujara. KW didn’t perform in this series though. Huh? You serious? Root was #1 in 2015. The "Fab 4" was an article written by MD Crowe in 2014 - Aug iirc. It was never about the best at the time cos it excluded Clarke, Amla, ABdV and Sanga. Maybe read it if you havn't. But Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. He was sliding. Not even close to top 3 in a 4th. even slipped out of the top 10 recently altogether. And all real cricket fans know this. Delete and censor this post too. You're welcome.
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+x+xSurprisingly, Paine was 7th highest run scorer at 38, and had s higher average than Burns, who scored a few more runs, but faced many more balls than the Aussie skipper. We we all know Williamson has usually been ranked in the top four for years, with Kohli, Smith and Root, and with someone close behind like Pujara. KW didn’t perform in this series though. Huh? You serious? Root was #1 in 2015. The "Fab 4" was an article written by MD Crowe in 2014 - Aug iirc. It was never about the best at the time cos it excluded Clarke, Amla, ABdV and Sanga. Maybe read it if you havn't. But Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. He was sliding. Not even close to top 3 in a 4th. even slipped out of the top 10 recently altogether. And all real cricket fans know this. Delete and censor this post too. You're welcome. Cricket is about opinions. Nobody is unequivocally right or wrong. I knew there was a quartet of top ranked batters of Smith, Kohli, Williamson and Root, with Pujara about 5th at some stage of the world rankings. I thought you would be keen to expound on Williamson's recent form, or, your best combined eleven?
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+x+x+xSurprisingly, Paine was 7th highest run scorer at 38, and had s higher average than Burns, who scored a few more runs, but faced many more balls than the Aussie skipper. We we all know Williamson has usually been ranked in the top four for years, with Kohli, Smith and Root, and with someone close behind like Pujara. KW didn’t perform in this series though. Huh? You serious? Root was #1 in 2015. The "Fab 4" was an article written by MD Crowe in 2014 - Aug iirc. It was never about the best at the time cos it excluded Clarke, Amla, ABdV and Sanga. Maybe read it if you havn't. But Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. He was sliding. Not even close to top 3 in a 4th. even slipped out of the top 10 recently altogether. And all real cricket fans know this. Delete and censor this post too. You're welcome. Cricket is about opinions. Nobody is unequivocally right or wrong. I knew there was a quartet of top ranked batters of Smith, Kohli, Williamson and Root, with Pujara about 5th at some stage of the world rankings. I thought you would be keen to expound on Williamson's recent form, or, your best combined eleven? NZ had a terrible tour. Only Wagner is coming back with his head held high. CdG and Blundell had their moments, the rest, incl Southee despite Perth wickets, had an awful time too often. Williamson's recent form is fine. He was player of the World Cup, struggled in SL, made some runs vs England, and didn't have a good tour of Aus. I am not concerned about his form. I am very concerned about the openers, though. NZ has William Young and Devon Conway from September to bring in. But the opening spots are a problem for NZ. We need to stop exposing KW to the new ball all the time.
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Steve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough?
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+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing.
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+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. Fair points made, FS. I think the average of 26 for Smith was for the series against Pakistan as well as the Kiwis, and, possibly all Tests played since he came back after the Archer short ball hit him, including the latter Ashes Tests.
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+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them.
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+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. I agree. I think all three of his first innings were important and had direct bearing on the results though. The rest of the time this summer were only either filling in time to give the bowlers a good break before declaring, or for quick runs. I doubt anyone has him worked out either, especially with slow long hops. His form has been indifferent this summer compared to the superhuman version we're used to. Yet as you say, he hasn't had much pressure on him to perform either, when there has been any pressure at all he still delivered when necessary.
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+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. Smith and Head both averaged 43 against the Kiwis. By Smith's own high standards it was poor, whilst for Head it was a success.
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+x+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. Smith and Head both averaged 43 against the Kiwis. By Smith's own high standards it was poor, whilst for Head it was a success. if head can average there abouts for his career its good enough to be a supporting case to smith/labu/warner
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+x+x+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. Smith and Head both averaged 43 against the Kiwis. By Smith's own high standards it was poor, whilst for Head it was a success. if head can average there abouts for his career its good enough to be a supporting case to smith/labu/warner I see Head's average as heavily inflated with his 100 on an absolute belter. His biggest problem.. and this has been intimated by CA.. is his apparent ability to turn a start into a decent score. Check out his woeful conversion rate at First Class level. Nowhere sufficient to warrant a spot in a Test top 6. On top of his impetuousness that often leads to a poor get out shot his technique is shoddy. How the hell did he get thru underage and into senior cricket with such a flaw.. and he is far from the only one.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. Smith and Head both averaged 43 against the Kiwis. By Smith's own high standards it was poor, whilst for Head it was a success. if head can average there abouts for his career its good enough to be a supporting case to smith/labu/warner I see Head's average as heavily inflated with his 100 on an absolute belter. His biggest problem.. and this has been intimated by CA.. is his apparent ability to turn a start into a decent score. Check out his woeful conversion rate at First Class level. Nowhere sufficient to warrant a spot in the Top 6. On top of his impetuousness that often leads to a poor get out shot his technique is shoddy. How the hell did he get thru underage and into senior cricket with such a flaw.. and he is far from the only one. Head played one of the Shield innings of the last few season in a Shield fixture at Bellerive. It was chanceless, until he got out. He nearly got South A over the line in a big run chase under incredible pressure. You had also identified Head's technique having too big a gap in between pat and pad, and, he struggled in England. He may have just established himself as an adequate Test batter in home conditions, but he could be like Usman. A batter who is just good enough in home Tests, but who struggles away.
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+x+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. I don't think they worked him out. Smith for the entirety of this summer came in when we needed quick runs. The two innings this summer where he came in with any sort of pressure was the Melbourne test where he got an important 85 and then built that big partnership with Labuschagne in Sydney. As far as i am concerned we needed him in two innings this summer and he delivered in both of them. yeah I agree, the few times that we needed him Smith was his usual self. He's a pretty intense fellow, apparently he has trouble sleeping during tests. This summer is one of the few times in his entire career where he has been barely needed
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+x+xSteve Smith’s SR was only 34. Is this good enough? Under the circumstances, yes. It was his ability to form first innings partnerships with Labushagne that were of importance more so than strike rate, and this is what set the matches up for us. Particularly in the first match, but in all of them he got through the tougher batting conditions and helped wear the kiwi bowlers out, while his partner was scoring. It could have been a different story had Wade/Head/Paine needed to come in early. Scores of 43, 85, 63 are not bad at all, but more important were the amount of balls he saw off. With all of the matches finishing in 4 days, it doesn't indicate strike rate was a problem anyway. He has been slow ever since the Ashes, in the shield he scored at around 24 in one match from memory. The kiwis think they have him worked out with long hops, but he was still instrumental in our first innings totals, and anyway he was far worse against Pakistan. He's a bit out of form, but he'll come good again. Even when he's out of form, he's still contributing. Agree 100% f/s. The commentators were saying Smith "is so out of form" Gotta admit at times I felt the same. Yes he was out of form compared to the super run machine of the past five years.. reducing his form this series to no more than that of a mere mortal. Still every one of his scores impacted on the crushing victory.
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Huh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England.
NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.
Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I have watched much cricket over the years and have a decent knowledge.. tho not a great deal when it comes to international cricket. I also forget some things.. must be losing some of my marbles at my decrepit age. But seems you only come onto this site to big note yourself by denigrating the regular posters with your superior nature.
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+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Goose and gander, what goes around comes back around. If you put tone out there that is not warm, and arrogantly censor posts, you don't get warmth back. Maybe he gets the hint.
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+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Goose and gander, what goes around comes back around. If you put tone out there that is not warm, and arrogantly censor posts, you don't get warmth back. Maybe he gets the hint. If you are not going to pull your head in, engage in cricket discussion without being arrogant, divisive and childish, stop wasting your time on here, do something useful and start coaching for the NZ Cricket Association. I won't be reading your posts anymore, Paddles.
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+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Goose and gander, what goes around comes back around. If you put tone out there that is not warm, and arrogantly censor posts, you don't get warmth back. Maybe he gets the hint. If you are not going to pull your head in, engage in cricket discussion without being arrogant, divisive and childish, stop wasting your time on here, do something useful and start coaching for the NZ Cricket Association. I won't be reading your posts anymore, Paddles. Excuse me? Is your head pulled in with this post? Is this not arrogant, divisive or childish of you? Think about this? Who pressed your buttons? Noone. And who are you to tell me where I should or should not waste my time? Are you my mother? My wife? Where do you get off? You're just joining a wave on me because I gave Dec a curt reply and Baggers wants to white knight for his bff. Sorry, not sorry. Dec deserved every piece of it given all the threads he has locked and posts he has deleted. And this was a simple factual exercise for him to confirm and get right, instead of confusing the fab 4 debate with the actual ratings. But I am not surprised he did. But I'm not interested in face saving for him. In the least. As for Baggers, his lack of an apology over bilateral tours is still resonating strongly. At least he admitted why he would make a mistake. Even if his justification for the mistake made more sense to him than me. I really don't care what posts of mine KW you read or don't - but thanks for your personal update. I don't find it arrogant of you in the least. If the supercilious censors act their way as they have been, and give hypocritical orders, I will act the way I do, deliberately and intentionally. And I have no intention of pulling my head into someone as ignorant as Baggers who refuses to apologies despite being wrong about world tours. I thought so much less of him then, and he knows it. And I don't care for the weak, childish, immature, sycophantic-ally scared bonding to the masses of stupidity calling out the original insults. No offence. But you can have your sandpit back. The supercilious censors may run independent thinkers like Mike and myself off from the forum, and you can all enjoy an agreement of cliche soundbites. We're not arrogant because we think for ourselves, we just think for ourselves. And have the confidence and ability to do it. Without shame. :) And we can support our arguments. With facts. With quotes. With stats. With videos. Dec, you can have me banned from Inside Sport - I don't mind. I don't suffer fools gladly, no offence. From Bagger's "billateral tours" ICC folly to your ICC ranking arguments as opinion, I'm just finding it all rather humorous. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, but your censorship smacks of ego and foolishness. And its so hard with you and Baggers to give a hint you get, vs just being so unsubtle and being blunt. Baggers and Dec, please sit here in your fiefdom, and just repeat what former cricketers you watch on tv said. Enjoy yourselves. I hope you have a great time. But don't think I was arrogant to you. It wasn't even veiled contempt. It was contempt and disbelief both at times. I lost respect for your opines lacking logic, factual accuracy or displaying a single modicum of research abilities a long way back. Sorry. When Baggers forgot the WI bowled 20 years of bouncers, that was pretty much me done, here. Not being arrogant. Not even being contemptuous. I just don't belong in a place like this with people like that. He clearly knows sfa about cricket history. At all. And even less how tours are arranged.
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+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Goose and gander, what goes around comes back around. If you put tone out there that is not warm, and arrogantly censor posts, you don't get warmth back. Maybe he gets the hint. If you are not going to pull your head in, engage in cricket discussion without being arrogant, divisive and childish, stop wasting your time on here, do something useful and start coaching for the NZ Cricket Association. I won't be reading your posts anymore, Paddles. Paddles if you can piss off a quiet and engaging member like KW then you had best stay away.
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+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs.
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+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. KW the chief offender is Paddles as we veteran IS members have pointed out. Mike is well Mike.. biased, a stirrer, but generally well within the limits of forum decorum. He does back up most of his opinions with facts.. not arrogance, not divisiveness or belittlement. He does tho, overwrite to make his point. That is your most annoying trait Mike. It feels like you are preaching to us peasants. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball and if picked below #7 can be a good asset to any team. But please keep this standard of cricketer away from a Test top 6 spot. In my humble view only players with the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. are worthy to be termed an all rounder. Others like CdG are mere bits and pieces cricketers. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years.
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+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate.
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+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time.
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+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. I looked it up and Marsh's Test batting average is 25 after 32 Tests. It isn't good enough, but his bowling has been fine. According to Ian, former Tas VC and state selector, his footwork is not nimble enough. It seems as though Stoinis or/and Green should move to another state.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. I looked it up and Marsh's Test batting average is 25 after 32 Tests. It isn't good enough, but his bowling has been fine. According to Ian, former Tas VC and state selector, his footwork is not nimble enough. It seems as though Stoinis or/and Green should move to another state. which Green DC?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. I looked it up and Marsh's Test batting average is 25 after 32 Tests. It isn't good enough, but his bowling has been fine. According to Ian, former Tas VC and state selector, his footwork is not nimble enough. It seems as though Stoinis or/and Green should move to another state. which Green DC? The name might not be Green. My wife pointed to an article in the paper a month ago about a young WA all rounder, who is very tall, can bowl 140kph, and has batted well recently in the Shield. I'd never heard of him. He is currently injured and can't bowl, but has been able to bat.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. I looked it up and Marsh's Test batting average is 25 after 32 Tests. It isn't good enough, but his bowling has been fine. According to Ian, former Tas VC and state selector, his footwork is not nimble enough. It seems as though Stoinis or/and Green should move to another state. which Green DC? The name might not be Green. My wife pointed to an article in the paper a month ago about a young WA all rounder, who is very tall, can bowl 140kph, and has batted well recently in the Shield. I'd never heard of him. He is currently injured and can't bowl, but has been able to bat. Cameron Green. A huge prospect. Why does he need to leave WA in your view?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. I looked it up and Marsh's Test batting average is 25 after 32 Tests. It isn't good enough, but his bowling has been fine. According to Ian, former Tas VC and state selector, his footwork is not nimble enough. It seems as though Stoinis or/and Green should move to another state. which Green DC? The name might not be Green. My wife pointed to an article in the paper a month ago about a young WA all rounder, who is very tall, can bowl 140kph, and has batted well recently in the Shield. I'd never heard of him. He is currently injured and can't bowl, but has been able to bat. Cameron Green. A huge prospect. Why does he need to leave WA in your view? DC these posts really need to be in the general discussion thread. Maybe an idea if you find the time to move them there..the pertinent ones anyway
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. DC that is the reason CA has picked Mitch Marsh all these years.. his value mostly as a spell bowler. I have to say I believe Mitch is better than a mere fifth bowler. It is his spasmodic batting that deters from his all round status and ability to hold down a #6 spot in our Test side, plus has seen him jettisoned from the side several times. If he was to get some steel and therefor consistency into his batting.. he is my #6 every time. I feel sorry for Mitch M. He thinks he is the most hated cricketer in Australia ATM - according to a Shield cricketing parent who knows him well. When fit I think Marsh's bowling has been a real asset for Australia, even if he hasn't batted well enough. It is possibly all an issue with his big frame not being able to get through a decent workload. With Wade's current struggle, there is still an argument for Marsh to bat 6 or 7, with Paine or him occupying 6. I haven't look up Marsh's current Test average, but Paine's average is still 32 after 31 or so Tests. Feel sorry for him too, he seems like a nice young fella. Not sure why anyone would dislike him personally over cricket. He does his best and he doesn't pick himself after all. Can understand what the selectors were trying to do though, and why they persisted. After 25 matches he had figures very similar to Steve Waugh. Marsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41. Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38. Though after 32 matches Marsh is now averaging 25 with the bat (and 39 with the ball) which isn't good enough to keep a place in the top 6 despite his bowling being "useful" at times. Whereas Waugh's batting started improving from this point and he ended up one of our finest batsmen. At a certain point you have to call it quits, doubt we'll see him play regularly for Aus in test matches again (probably will in odi's though). Unless he really starts scoring a mountain of runs in domestic cricket. Paine is a good no.7 and a very good keeper. Would be doing him no favours putting him in the top 6. Apart from not being a good enough batsman, that's a lot to ask for someone who keeps wicket and is also Captain. Any top 6 batsman needs to average more than that and be capable of scoring 100's. Paine is probably far better contributing down the order when he can. If it ain't broke...
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+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. Tend to agree with you, Baggers. I used to like what Mike and Paddles posted about cricket. Then you realise after a while in every thread topic they try and change the subject to talk about themselves, how much they know about world cricket, stir you in particular and lay crap on everyone else for knowing less than them. They also seem jealous that you are a respected poster on here. These knob jockeys both seem to crave an audience of fan boys. I don't know why Paddles still posts here? He doesn't respect what anyone else posts, other than Mike. If he doesn't get the message and piss off or get banned I'm going to stop reading his posts. I suggest everyone does the same. Some of his posts have been damn childish lately, with the intent of causing conflict. Back to the topic - does a combined eleven of Aus/NZ need an all rounder? De Grandhomme didn't score many runs. As for your question KW.. does any team need an all rounder. Blokes like CdG are handy with both bat and ball but they are not worthy of a top 6 spot in my view? Only if have the ability to be chosen alone, either for your bowling or alternatively your batting.. then you are not worthy to be termed an all rounder.. just a bits and pieces cricketer. Genuine all rounders are as scarce as a snow storm in Hell. CA has been trying to turn Mitch Marsh into one for years. I've been calling for an all rounder, just to stop fast bowlers breaking down in games. What I've learnt recently is if batters are moved up the order there is more reassure on them to score. Hence, they often become more circumspect and tense - and - play worse. Surprisingly, Paine had the 6th highest average on both teams at 38.5 and 7th highest run aggregate. I don't think it is needed to bring an all rounder in. We have a lot of pace options, play them hard a test and rotate Pattinson in one game and so on. Ultimately i don't think wickets are the problem with this team, only India may have a better bowling attack than ours. Pick the best batsmen at 6 and if they are an all rounder then even better.
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+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. What Hint? Keyboard I am sorry mate but my previous posts were solely to prove a point about what constitutes a troll and I gave plenty of forewarning that was my intention in my first "return"post. A Troll isn't necessarily someone who disagrees with what is said, if they can put up substantiated arguments. Not every one has to agree with a point and this site is equally as guilty as others sites of "ganging up" on those with varying ideas, however members on this site complained and referred to other sites as full of trolls just because they disagree. This I pointed out to DC in a previous post, which he has locked now, which got Paddles worked up, who even started a thread to complain and it was "moderated", talk about deliberate provocation, but hey I'm not the moderator. Maybe it's just me but It seems that anyone that disagrees with a couple of posters not just on this site but on multiple sites, are the trolls, there seems to be a massive number of trolls worldwide, Some even threaten removal of posters from the particular forum sites, not just here, who made them king of the castle? What is the attraction of these posters that they are constantly attacked by trolls on numerous sites? Not my place to answer those questions, but maybe those posters should look at themselves, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone" and everything that entails. Guys you have to remember that this is a "public forum", not a chat room, you will meet all types of people with varying points of views, that is the idea of a public forum, because you never know there are people out there who read these forums to gauge public opinions of a current topic and report on that. Unfortunately opinions do bring out the emotive side it happens, but one thing is you'll never get under my skin because I just don't care, but I was interested in your opinions but can you substantiate. Paddles can, that is why I do respect his opinions, not necessarily agree but do respect. This site had potential, you have Grazor an ex cricketer, DC a member of the TCC an ex teacher who probably coached at school, Baggers an ex-journalist, Paddles a keen follower of international cricket, and a passionate NZ cricket follower (an ex-lawyer? that's the impression I've gained) Flyslip who is very educated towards Australian cricket, Haven't got a read on City Sam I will admit. Keyboard who is a keen cricket follower but admits he is still learning and is very eager to read posts with an open mind, Bobbie a female perspective, quite a broad spectrum wouldn't you say? Let me ask you this where is your T20 Big Bash Thread? Don't care? It's on every other Australian cricket forum sites. A bit of an archaic view of cricket isn't it. So if I was to pose a question "How can we move test cricket forward to compete with the attraction of T20?" You really wouldn't know. Your ideas towards test cricket are also archaic and is part of the reason why test cricket is dying, technique, line and length bowling, very boring, very 1930's. What was the appeal of the West Indies, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee as the villain, how does test cricket get that passion back? yet you complain about Wagner. Go figure! So if you are all these die-hard cricket tragics (remember CT Baggers), like you suggest you are, put up some counter-arguments to Paddles, but you also don't have to be totally agreeable with the hierarchy on this site because of fear of being kicked out. It's a public forum, not a chat room. And with VPN and access to multiple e-mail addresses some of us are extremely difficult to remove, it is solely my decision whether to participate or not, I don't need a Hint. Guys do yourselves a favour and discuss current relevant topics with a broad and open mind, including you Paddles, and you may be surprised that you may gather other very knowledgeable participants, and there are many out there. You don't have to approach other posters on other sites because all you're doing is gathering, like-minded people, which makes the site contaminated and it becomes irrelevant to the general populous opinion. This is NOT your personal site however your personal opinions do matter as do others. Inside Sport do post threads on a regular basis, for feedback, but I would say all of you don't respond and that is the beauty of Inside Sport forums unfortunately it isn't being utilised properly.
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+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. What Hint? Keyboard I am sorry mate but my previous posts were solely to prove a point about what constitutes a troll and I gave plenty of forewarning that was my intention in my first "return"post. A Troll isn't necessarily someone who disagrees with what is said, if they can put up substantiated arguments. Not every one has to agree with a point and this site is equally as guilty as others sites of "ganging up" on those with varying ideas, however members on this site complained and referred to other sites as full of trolls just because they disagree. This I pointed out to DC in a previous post, which he has locked now, which got Paddles worked up, who even started a thread to complain and it was "moderated", talk about deliberate provocation, but hey I'm not the moderator. Maybe it's just me but It seems that anyone that disagrees with a couple of posters not just on this site but on multiple sites, are the trolls, there seems to be a massive number of trolls worldwide, Some even threaten removal of posters from the particular forum sites, not just here, who made them king of the castle? What is the attraction of these posters that they are constantly attacked by trolls on numerous sites? Not my place to answer those questions, but maybe those posters should look at themselves, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone" and everything that entails. Guys you have to remember that this is a "public forum", not a chat room, you will meet all types of people with varying points of views, that is the idea of a public forum, because you never know there are people out there who read these forums to gauge public opinions of a current topic and report on that. Unfortunately opinions do bring out the emotive side it happens, but one thing is you'll never get under my skin because I just don't care, but I was interested in your opinions but can you substantiate. Paddles can, that is why I do respect his opinions, not necessarily agree but do respect. This site had potential, you have Grazor an ex cricketer, DC a member of the TCC an ex teacher who probably coached at school, Baggers an ex-journalist, Paddles a keen follower of international cricket, and a passionate NZ cricket follower (an ex-lawyer? that's the impression I've gained) Flyslip who is very educated towards Australian cricket, Haven't got a read on City Sam I will admit. Keyboard who is a keen cricket follower but admits he is still learning and is very eager to read posts with an open mind, Bobbie a female perspective, quite a broad spectrum wouldn't you say? Let me ask you this where is your T20 Big Bash Thread? Don't care? It's on every other Australian cricket forum sites. A bit of an archaic view of cricket isn't it. So if I was to pose a question "How can we move test cricket forward to compete with the attraction of T20?" You really wouldn't know. Your ideas towards test cricket are also archaic and is part of the reason why test cricket is dying, technique, line and length bowling, very boring, very 1930's. What was the appeal of the West Indies, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee as the villain, how does test cricket get that passion back? yet you complain about Wagner. Go figure! So if you are all these die-hard cricket tragics (remember CT Baggers), like you suggest you are, put up some counter-arguments to Paddles, but you also don't have to be totally agreeable with the hierarchy on this site because of fear of being kicked out. It's a public forum, not a chat room. And with VPN and access to multiple e-mail addresses some of us are extremely difficult to remove, it is solely my decision whether to participate or not, I don't need a Hint. Guys do yourselves a favour and discuss current relevant topics with a broad and open mind, including you Paddles, and you may be surprised that you may gather other very knowledgeable participants, and there are many out there. You don't have to approach other posters on other sites because all you're doing is gathering, like-minded people, which makes the site contaminated and it becomes irrelevant to the general populous opinion. This is NOT your personal site however your personal opinions do matter as do others. Inside Sport do post threads on a regular basis, for feedback, but I would say all of you don't respond and that is the beauty of Inside Sport forums unfortunately it isn't being utilised properly. TCA not TCC! Through the Tas Cricket Association we have opportunities to meet and discuss issues with FC cricketers, even if like me, I've only played junior and teenage school cricket - badly. We certainly pick up ideas and knowledge from experts through being members of the TCA. Your post indicates an element of good will and humility, Mike. Fair play to you. There was a thread set up to encourage posters to discuss a topic, agree/ possibly disagree, but move on. Not resort to slanging matches. In any forum if people keep derailing threads, or resort to personal attacks, or deliberately goad others, threads are liable to be locked and sometimes posts can be deleted, regardless of who transgresses. Previously, apart from the JH issue, your banter with Baggers manifested as friendly banter. It appeared good natured. It hasn't been perceived the same this time - more a continuation of what has occurred elsewhere, that is immaterial to IS. On this forum it is not a question of having to agree with any particular posters, but hopefully participate with a degree of respect. To date it has created considerable camaraderie. A number have met up off forum, or tried to. Conversely, Whirlpool Cricket has a culture of packs attacking individuals who don't agree with an established clique over a few issues. It is decidedly different on the Whirlpool Weight Training thread. The IS Cricket paradigm is preferable to Whirl Cricket. Within the TCA there are those who love 20/20 and those who abhor it. I'm in the latter camp, but most cricket fans seem to love 20/20 or prefer it. We probably need to recruit more 20/20 fans to IS, as you suggest.
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+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. What Hint? Keyboard I am sorry mate but my previous posts were solely to prove a point about what constitutes a troll and I gave plenty of forewarning that was my intention in my first "return"post. A Troll isn't necessarily someone who disagrees with what is said, if they can put up substantiated arguments. Not every one has to agree with a point and this site is equally as guilty as others sites of "ganging up" on those with varying ideas, however members on this site complained and referred to other sites as full of trolls just because they disagree. This I pointed out to DC in a previous post, which he has locked now, which got Paddles worked up, who even started a thread to complain and it was "moderated", talk about deliberate provocation, but hey I'm not the moderator. Maybe it's just me but It seems that anyone that disagrees with a couple of posters not just on this site but on multiple sites, are the trolls, there seems to be a massive number of trolls worldwide, Some even threaten removal of posters from the particular forum sites, not just here, who made them king of the castle? What is the attraction of these posters that they are constantly attacked by trolls on numerous sites? Not my place to answer those questions, but maybe those posters should look at themselves, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone" and everything that entails. Guys you have to remember that this is a "public forum", not a chat room, you will meet all types of people with varying points of views, that is the idea of a public forum, because you never know there are people out there who read these forums to gauge public opinions of a current topic and report on that. Unfortunately opinions do bring out the emotive side it happens, but one thing is you'll never get under my skin because I just don't care, but I was interested in your opinions but can you substantiate. Paddles can, that is why I do respect his opinions, not necessarily agree but do respect. This site had potential, you have Grazor an ex cricketer, DC a member of the TCC an ex teacher who probably coached at school, Baggers an ex-journalist, Paddles a keen follower of international cricket, and a passionate NZ cricket follower (an ex-lawyer? that's the impression I've gained) Flyslip who is very educated towards Australian cricket, Haven't got a read on City Sam I will admit. Keyboard who is a keen cricket follower but admits he is still learning and is very eager to read posts with an open mind, Bobbie a female perspective, quite a broad spectrum wouldn't you say? Let me ask you this where is your T20 Big Bash Thread? Don't care? It's on every other Australian cricket forum sites. A bit of an archaic view of cricket isn't it. So if I was to pose a question "How can we move test cricket forward to compete with the attraction of T20?" You really wouldn't know. Your ideas towards test cricket are also archaic and is part of the reason why test cricket is dying, technique, line and length bowling, very boring, very 1930's. What was the appeal of the West Indies, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee as the villain, how does test cricket get that passion back? yet you complain about Wagner. Go figure! So if you are all these die-hard cricket tragics (remember CT Baggers), like you suggest you are, put up some counter-arguments to Paddles, but you also don't have to be totally agreeable with the hierarchy on this site because of fear of being kicked out. It's a public forum, not a chat room. And with VPN and access to multiple e-mail addresses some of us are extremely difficult to remove, it is solely my decision whether to participate or not, I don't need a Hint. Guys do yourselves a favour and discuss current relevant topics with a broad and open mind, including you Paddles, and you may be surprised that you may gather other very knowledgeable participants, and there are many out there. You don't have to approach other posters on other sites because all you're doing is gathering, like-minded people, which makes the site contaminated and it becomes irrelevant to the general populous opinion. This is NOT your personal site however your personal opinions do matter as do others. Inside Sport do post threads on a regular basis, for feedback, but I would say all of you don't respond and that is the beauty of Inside Sport forums unfortunately it isn't being utilised properly. TCA not TCC! Through the Tas Cricket Association we have opportunities to meet and discuss issues with FC cricketers, even if like me, I've only played junior and teenage school cricket - badly. We certainly pick up ideas and knowledge from experts through being members of the TCA. Your post indicates an element of good will and humility, Mike. Fair play to you. There was a thread set up to encourage posters to discuss a topic, agree/ possibly disagree, but move on. Not resort to slanging matches. In any forum if people keep derailing threads, or resort to personal attacks, or deliberately goad others, threads are liable to be locked and sometimes posts can be deleted, regardless of who transgresses. Previously, apart from the JH issue, your banter with Baggers manifested as friendly banter. It appeared good natured. It hasn't been perceived the same this time - more a continuation of what has occurred elsewhere, that is immaterial to IS. On this forum it is not a question of having to agree with any particular posters, but hopefully participate with a degree of respect. To date it has created considerable camaraderie. A number have met up off forum, or tried to. Conversely, Whirlpool Cricket has a culture of packs attacking individuals who don't agree with an established clique over a few issues. It is decidedly different on the Whirlpool Weight Training thread. The IS Cricket paradigm is preferable to Whirl Cricket. Within the TCA there are those who love 20/20 and those who abhor it. I'm in the latter camp, but most cricket fans seem to love 20/20 or prefer it. We probably need to recruit more 20/20 fans to IS, as you suggest. Start a T20 thread DC or Mike. After all there are two T20 International World Cups this year.. both being hosted by us. I was going to ask you DC whether you have been going to Bellerive to watch the Hurricanes.. I guess not. I did catch some of last nite's game.. did bring back fond memories of my week there.
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+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. What Hint? Keyboard I am sorry mate but my previous posts were solely to prove a point about what constitutes a troll and I gave plenty of forewarning that was my intention in my first "return"post. A Troll isn't necessarily someone who disagrees with what is said, if they can put up substantiated arguments. Not every one has to agree with a point and this site is equally as guilty as others sites of "ganging up" on those with varying ideas, however members on this site complained and referred to other sites as full of trolls just because they disagree. This I pointed out to DC in a previous post, which he has locked now, which got Paddles worked up, who even started a thread to complain and it was "moderated", talk about deliberate provocation, but hey I'm not the moderator. Maybe it's just me but It seems that anyone that disagrees with a couple of posters not just on this site but on multiple sites, are the trolls, there seems to be a massive number of trolls worldwide, Some even threaten removal of posters from the particular forum sites, not just here, who made them king of the castle? What is the attraction of these posters that they are constantly attacked by trolls on numerous sites? Not my place to answer those questions, but maybe those posters should look at themselves, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone" and everything that entails. Guys you have to remember that this is a "public forum", not a chat room, you will meet all types of people with varying points of views, that is the idea of a public forum, because you never know there are people out there who read these forums to gauge public opinions of a current topic and report on that. Unfortunately opinions do bring out the emotive side it happens, but one thing is you'll never get under my skin because I just don't care, but I was interested in your opinions but can you substantiate. Paddles can, that is why I do respect his opinions, not necessarily agree but do respect. This site had potential, you have Grazor an ex cricketer, DC a member of the TCC an ex teacher who probably coached at school, Baggers an ex-journalist, Paddles a keen follower of international cricket, and a passionate NZ cricket follower (an ex-lawyer? that's the impression I've gained) Flyslip who is very educated towards Australian cricket, Haven't got a read on City Sam I will admit. Keyboard who is a keen cricket follower but admits he is still learning and is very eager to read posts with an open mind, Bobbie a female perspective, quite a broad spectrum wouldn't you say? Let me ask you this where is your T20 Big Bash Thread? Don't care? It's on every other Australian cricket forum sites. A bit of an archaic view of cricket isn't it. So if I was to pose a question "How can we move test cricket forward to compete with the attraction of T20?" You really wouldn't know. Your ideas towards test cricket are also archaic and is part of the reason why test cricket is dying, technique, line and length bowling, very boring, very 1930's. What was the appeal of the West Indies, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee as the villain, how does test cricket get that passion back? yet you complain about Wagner. Go figure! So if you are all these die-hard cricket tragics (remember CT Baggers), like you suggest you are, put up some counter-arguments to Paddles, but you also don't have to be totally agreeable with the hierarchy on this site because of fear of being kicked out. It's a public forum, not a chat room. And with VPN and access to multiple e-mail addresses some of us are extremely difficult to remove, it is solely my decision whether to participate or not, I don't need a Hint. Guys do yourselves a favour and discuss current relevant topics with a broad and open mind, including you Paddles, and you may be surprised that you may gather other very knowledgeable participants, and there are many out there. You don't have to approach other posters on other sites because all you're doing is gathering, like-minded people, which makes the site contaminated and it becomes irrelevant to the general populous opinion. This is NOT your personal site however your personal opinions do matter as do others. Inside Sport do post threads on a regular basis, for feedback, but I would say all of you don't respond and that is the beauty of Inside Sport forums unfortunately it isn't being utilised properly. TCA not TCC! Through the Tas Cricket Association we have opportunities to meet and discuss issues with FC cricketers, even if like me, I've only played junior and teenage school cricket - badly. We certainly pick up ideas and knowledge from experts through being members of the TCA. Your post indicates an element of good will and humility, Mike. Fair play to you. There was a thread set up to encourage posters to discuss a topic, agree/ possibly disagree, but move on. Not resort to slanging matches. In any forum if people keep derailing threads, or resort to personal attacks, or deliberately goad others, threads are liable to be locked and sometimes posts can be deleted, regardless of who transgresses. Previously, apart from the JH issue, your banter with Baggers manifested as friendly banter. It appeared good natured. It hasn't been perceived the same this time - more a continuation of what has occurred elsewhere, that is immaterial to IS. On this forum it is not a question of having to agree with any particular posters, but hopefully participate with a degree of respect. To date it has created considerable camaraderie. A number have met up off forum, or tried to. Conversely, Whirlpool Cricket has a culture of packs attacking individuals who don't agree with an established clique over a few issues. It is decidedly different on the Whirlpool Weight Training thread. The IS Cricket paradigm is preferable to Whirl Cricket. Within the TCA there are those who love 20/20 and those who abhor it. I'm in the latter camp, but most cricket fans seem to love 20/20 or prefer it. We probably need to recruit more 20/20 fans to IS, as you suggest. Start a T20 thread DC or Mike. After all there are two T20 International World Cups this year.. both being hosted by us. I was going to ask you DC whether you have been going to Bellerive to watch the Hurricanes.. I guess not. I did catch some of last nite's game.. did bring back fond memories of my week there. DC the U19 WC is also about to be played in SAfrica. Shall we post in the Junior Cricket thread or create a U19 WC thread?
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+x+x+x+x+xHuh? You serious? Root has been nowhere near the top 4 rankings for the past few years since being captain of England. NZ has never had a test match in Dunedin.. never.. never.Paddles this is the sort of arrogant, divisive posting that warrants some of us not wanting you on this site. You or Mike. DC has told you he enjoys watching cricket but lacks knowledge of the game. I have never professed to to be an expert on the game. I do know a great deal but there are areas I do not know a lot about.. namely international cricket. But seems you and Mike only come onto this site to denigrate the regular posters with your superior nature. Mike has gotten the hint.. will you please do the same.. What Hint? Keyboard I am sorry mate but my previous posts were solely to prove a point about what constitutes a troll and I gave plenty of forewarning that was my intention in my first "return"post. A Troll isn't necessarily someone who disagrees with what is said, if they can put up substantiated arguments. Not every one has to agree with a point and this site is equally as guilty as others sites of "ganging up" on those with varying ideas, however members on this site complained and referred to other sites as full of trolls just because they disagree. This I pointed out to DC in a previous post, which he has locked now, which got Paddles worked up, who even started a thread to complain and it was "moderated", talk about deliberate provocation, but hey I'm not the moderator. Maybe it's just me but It seems that anyone that disagrees with a couple of posters not just on this site but on multiple sites, are the trolls, there seems to be a massive number of trolls worldwide, Some even threaten removal of posters from the particular forum sites, not just here, who made them king of the castle? What is the attraction of these posters that they are constantly attacked by trolls on numerous sites? Not my place to answer those questions, but maybe those posters should look at themselves, "He who is without sin may cast the first stone" and everything that entails. Guys you have to remember that this is a "public forum", not a chat room, you will meet all types of people with varying points of views, that is the idea of a public forum, because you never know there are people out there who read these forums to gauge public opinions of a current topic and report on that. Unfortunately opinions do bring out the emotive side it happens, but one thing is you'll never get under my skin because I just don't care, but I was interested in your opinions but can you substantiate. Paddles can, that is why I do respect his opinions, not necessarily agree but do respect. This site had potential, you have Grazor an ex cricketer, DC a member of the TCC an ex teacher who probably coached at school, Baggers an ex-journalist, Paddles a keen follower of international cricket, and a passionate NZ cricket follower (an ex-lawyer? that's the impression I've gained) Flyslip who is very educated towards Australian cricket, Haven't got a read on City Sam I will admit. Keyboard who is a keen cricket follower but admits he is still learning and is very eager to read posts with an open mind, Bobbie a female perspective, quite a broad spectrum wouldn't you say? Let me ask you this where is your T20 Big Bash Thread? Don't care? It's on every other Australian cricket forum sites. A bit of an archaic view of cricket isn't it. So if I was to pose a question "How can we move test cricket forward to compete with the attraction of T20?" You really wouldn't know. Your ideas towards test cricket are also archaic and is part of the reason why test cricket is dying, technique, line and length bowling, very boring, very 1930's. What was the appeal of the West Indies, Lillee, Thompson, Hadlee as the villain, how does test cricket get that passion back? yet you complain about Wagner. Go figure! So if you are all these die-hard cricket tragics (remember CT Baggers), like you suggest you are, put up some counter-arguments to Paddles, but you also don't have to be totally agreeable with the hierarchy on this site because of fear of being kicked out. It's a public forum, not a chat room. And with VPN and access to multiple e-mail addresses some of us are extremely difficult to remove, it is solely my decision whether to participate or not, I don't need a Hint. Guys do yourselves a favour and discuss current relevant topics with a broad and open mind, including you Paddles, and you may be surprised that you may gather other very knowledgeable participants, and there are many out there. You don't have to approach other posters on other sites because all you're doing is gathering, like-minded people, which makes the site contaminated and it becomes irrelevant to the general populous opinion. This is NOT your personal site however your personal opinions do matter as do others. Inside Sport do post threads on a regular basis, for feedback, but I would say all of you don't respond and that is the beauty of Inside Sport forums unfortunately it isn't being utilised properly. TCA not TCC! Through the Tas Cricket Association we have opportunities to meet and discuss issues with FC cricketers, even if like me, I've only played junior and teenage school cricket - badly. We certainly pick up ideas and knowledge from experts through being members of the TCA. Your post indicates an element of good will and humility, Mike. Fair play to you. There was a thread set up to encourage posters to discuss a topic, agree/ possibly disagree, but move on. Not resort to slanging matches. In any forum if people keep derailing threads, or resort to personal attacks, or deliberately goad others, threads are liable to be locked and sometimes posts can be deleted, regardless of who transgresses. Previously, apart from the JH issue, your banter with Baggers manifested as friendly banter. It appeared good natured. It hasn't been perceived the same this time - more a continuation of what has occurred elsewhere, that is immaterial to IS. On this forum it is not a question of having to agree with any particular posters, but hopefully participate with a degree of respect. To date it has created considerable camaraderie. A number have met up off forum, or tried to. Conversely, Whirlpool Cricket has a culture of packs attacking individuals who don't agree with an established clique over a few issues. It is decidedly different on the Whirlpool Weight Training thread. The IS Cricket paradigm is preferable to Whirl Cricket. Within the TCA there are those who love 20/20 and those who abhor it. I'm in the latter camp, but most cricket fans seem to love 20/20 or prefer it. We probably need to recruit more 20/20 fans to IS, as you suggest. Start a T20 thread DC or Mike. After all there are two T20 International World Cups this year.. both being hosted by us. I was going to ask you DC whether you have been going to Bellerive to watch the Hurricanes.. I guess not. I did catch some of last nite's game.. did bring back fond memories of my week there. DC the U19 WC is also about to be played in SAfrica. Shall we post in the Junior Cricket thread or create a U19 WC thread? I think create an U19 WC thread. Thanks for mentioning it.
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I thought the Kiwi tactics to Smith were very good. They noticed that he plays the full ball on the stumps really well, so they just decided to take that out of the equation either by bowling short pitched stuff from the left armer with a stacked leg side field, or wide outside off. It worked. (Although to be fair Wagner executed the plan brilliantly).
Labuschagne to me was the find of the summer. He is in ridiculous form, and the technical change he made last winter has turned him into a run machine. I was also really happy with Travis Head, who is coming along nicely ( a test av of 43 at age 25 is nothing to be sneezed at).
Burns disappointed me but I still think he's a better option than Bancroft or Harris, both of whom have inferior techniques at present. He's also a very handy first slip fielder. I'd leave him there until further notice.
To me the weak link is Wade, but if he can come good with the bat he might actually replace Tim Paine when he retires. Wade could be a keeper batsman at number 6, and then Australia could bring an all rounder in to bat at 7.
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+x To me the weak link is Wade, but if he can come good with the bat he might actually replace Tim Paine when he retires. Wade could be a keeper batsman at number 6, and then Australia could bring an all rounder in to bat at 7. Wade is enjoying his cricket more as a specialist batter. When Paine isn’t playing, Wade has not even been keeping for Tas in the Shield. Doran has. At his age, 33, Wade needs to improve at Test level quickly, or he will be replaced by a younger batter. Wade was working 2 days a week as an apprentice carpenter, preparing for life after cricket.
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What Hint? You said this Mike.
that's OK I'm out of here, just like Paddles, I'm not a robotic conformist. Enjoy your back-slapping Stepford site.
PS Enjoy talking to yourself Baggers during the shield games.
Look mate we have been sparring partners and friends.. I hope.. for many years so I dont especially want you to leave here but I do want you to cease mentioning JH in almost every post you make and crapping all over every bloke wearing a Blue cap. It has become tiresome. Your long winded posts are also tiresome. Keep em short.
Paddles is the one that is arrogant, belittling and divisive. KW has added childish and conflicting. Most of the posters here agree with me and I believe.. want him to go. Only the owner can ban him. So far no one has reported him..
Mike are you really on WP?
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bumping for you Mike.
You said this Mike so your idea to leave..
that's OK I'm out of here, just like Paddles, I'm not a robotic conformist. Enjoy your back-slapping Stepford site.
PS Enjoy talking to yourself Baggers during the shield games.
Look mate we have been sparring partners and friends.. I hope.. for many years so I dont especially want you to leave here but I do want you to cease mentioning JH in almost every post you make and crapping all over every bloke wearing a Blue cap. It has become tiresome. Your long winded posts are also tiresome. Keep em short.
Paddles is the one that is arrogant, belittling and divisive. KW has added childish and conflicting. Most of the posters here agree with me and I believe.. want him to go. Only the owner can ban him. So far no one has reported him..
Mike are you really on WP?
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BaggyGreens
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KW and DC have also asked you to stay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toky3I9RKXE
Mike one ball for mine was not legit.. the hat trick ball. The other two were fine. I am saying that any ball that pitches a half metre outside leg forcing the batsmen to do what he has to do to avoid it hitting his body needs to be banned from the game. That is Bodyline.
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+xKW and DC have also asked you to stay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toky3I9RKXE
Mike one ball for mine was not legit.. the hat trick ball. The other two were fine. I am saying that any ball that pitches a half metre outside leg forcing the batsmen to do what he has to do to avoid it hitting his body needs to be banned from the game. That is Bodyline.
Baggers they're all legit deliveries. If the bowling side see a perceived weakness they are entitled to bowl to that line. It worked against Smith, everything was reduced against his overall performances, the only reason it seemed persistent was Smith was out there for so long . NZ problem is they thought all batsmen had the same problem. Labuchagne proved them wrong, yorker at the stumps would be the line I would have tried against him. Pattinson, Conway and Stoinis got him that way in the shield games and very cheaply if I remember correctly. Tall Qld batter bought up on bouncy Qld wickets, bouncers aren't going to get him. NZ never really tried to do that to Labuchagne. You know there is another way of avoiding and forcing a change of line, put it into the boundary rope, there are shots to do that, watch T20, Just saw Stoinis score 140+ the other night doing just that.
Actually if you do think about it the modern day batsman is actually moving into that particular line for maximum power in the shot, the leg side shot is the big power shot. I think Lynn summed it up best, the secret is keeping the head still, keeping your eye on the ball. He makes a good point, and Smith is moving too much in the crease when you do think about it.
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BaggyGreens
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+x+xKW and DC have also asked you to stay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toky3I9RKXE
Mike one ball for mine was not legit.. the hat trick ball. The other two were fine. I am saying that any ball that pitches a half metre outside leg forcing the batsmen to do what he has to do to avoid it hitting his body needs to be banned from the game. That is Bodyline.
Baggers they're all legit deliveries. If the bowling side see a perceived weakness they are entitled to bowl to that line. It worked against Smith, everything was reduced against his overall performances, the only reason it seemed persistent was Smith was out there for so long . NZ problem is they thought all batsmen had the same problem. Labuchagne proved them wrong, yorker at the stumps would be the line I would have tried against him. Pattinson, Conway and Stoinis got him that way in the shield games and very cheaply if I remember correctly. Tall Qld batter bought up on bouncy Qld wickets, bouncers aren't going to get him. NZ never really tried to do that to Labuchagne. You know there is another way of avoiding and forcing a change of line, put it into the boundary rope, there are shots to do that, watch T20, Just saw Stoinis score 140+ the other night doing just that.
Actually if you do think about it the modern day batsman is actually moving into that particular line for maximum power in the shot, the leg side shot is the big power shot. I think Lynn summed it up best, the secret is keeping the head still, keeping your eye on the ball. He makes a good point, and Smith is moving too much in the crease when you do think about it.
Mike you will never convince me that a ball pitched a even a half metre outside leg.. and some of Wagner's were a full metre.. should be a legit delivery. Even tho we all know it is. That is my point it needs to be no balled or wided and eventually blokes will stop bowling there.
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BaggyGreens
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bumping for you Mike.
I guess we gave you the hint.
that's OK I'm out of here, just like Paddles, I'm not a robotic conformist. Enjoy your back-slapping Stepford site.
PS Enjoy talking to yourself Baggers during the shield games.
Look mate we have been sparring partners and friends.. I hope.. for many years so I dont especially want you to leave here but I do want you to cease mentioning JH in almost every post you make and crapping all over every bloke wearing a Blue cap. It has become tiresome. Your long winded posts are also tiresome. Keep em short.
KW and DC have also asked you to stay.
Mike are you really on WP?
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Marsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41.
Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38.
Sorry as accurate as Steve Waugh was I dont rate him anywhere near the standard of Mitch Marsh. Their records are similar because Marsh only gets to bowl to players well set and when the ball is soft. Naturally his figures will be mediocre. But I have always maintained he has the ability to bowl for longer spells and a newer ball. But most captains bring him on as mostly second..even third change..on CA's orders it must be said.. There have been occasions when Mitch has had the chance to bowl earlier in the innings and his figures have reflected that. I recall he took a fivefer on one such occasion. He is also one of the best swing bowlers in the country according to an article I read... a new art he appears to have acquired while out of Test cricket.
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+xMarsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41.Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38.Sorry as accurate as Steve Waugh was I dont rate him anywhere near the standard of Mitch Marsh. Their records are similar because Marsh only gets to bowl to players well set and when the ball is soft. Naturally his figures will be mediocre. But I have always maintained he has the ability to bowl for longer spells and a newer ball. But most captains bring him on as mostly second..even third change..on CA's orders it must be said.. There have been occasions when Mitch has had the chance to bowl earlier in the innings and his figures have reflected that. I recall he took a fivefer on one such occasion. He is also one of the best swing bowlers in the country according to an article I read... a new art he appears to have acquired while out of Test cricket. Their records aren't similar at all. They are the very opposite of similar lol. They were similar after 25 matches, but Waugh has far better career figures in every possible way. Bowling is somewhat irrelevant though if you're batting in the top six. To do that you need to be able to hold the possie as a batsman, which he can't and which Waugh started to do, steadily improving his batting after around 25 matches. No doubt he is potentially a better bowler than Waugh was. He's a reasonable 5th bowler but he's never going to get in the team just for his bowling. I don't remember Waugh getting the new ball either, especially later in his career as genuine a part timer. The only place Marsh's bowling has seemed threatening is in England, for obvious reasons. He's another trundler anywhere else, not terribly threatening nor economical. A big problem for him is that he isn't great in Aus either. Shane Watson was a far better 5th bowler type of batting allrounder. He should focus on one or the other if he wishes to be a regular in the test team, at the moment he is a "no rounder". Concentrate on either bowling, or batting, instead of being mediocre at both.
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+x+xMarsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41.Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38.Sorry as accurate as Steve Waugh was I dont rate him anywhere near the standard of Mitch Marsh. Their records are similar because Marsh only gets to bowl to players well set and when the ball is soft. Naturally his figures will be mediocre. But I have always maintained he has the ability to bowl for longer spells and a newer ball. But most captains bring him on as mostly second..even third change..on CA's orders it must be said.. There have been occasions when Mitch has had the chance to bowl earlier in the innings and his figures have reflected that. I recall he took a fivefer on one such occasion. He is also one of the best swing bowlers in the country according to an article I read... a new art he appears to have acquired while out of Test cricket. Their records aren't similar at all. They are the very opposite of similar lol. They were similar after 25 matches, but Waugh has far better career figures in every possible way. Bowling is somewhat irrelevant though if you're batting in the top six. To do that you need to be able to hold the possie as a batsman, which he can't and which Waugh started to do, steadily improving his batting after around 25 matches. No doubt he is potentially a better bowler than Waugh was. He's a reasonable 5th bowler but he's never going to get in the team just for his bowling. I don't remember Waugh getting the new ball either, especially later in his career as genuine a part timer. The only place Marsh's bowling has seemed threatening is in England, for obvious reasons. He's another trundler anywhere else, not terribly threatening nor economical. A big problem for him is that he isn't great in Aus either. Shane Watson was a far better 5th bowler type of batting allrounder. He should focus on one or the other if he wishes to be a regular in the test team, at the moment he is a "no rounder". Concentrate on either bowling, or batting, instead of being mediocre at both. Marsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41. Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38. Their records aren't similar at all. They are the very opposite of similar.
You have lost me. Those figures above look very similar. Waugh was the true change bowler. Watson like Marsh is under rated as a bowler. Marsh is better than both of them but rarely gets the chance to prove it. Yes threatening in England because he swings it. He is better than just a mediocre trundler..far better. If I was to advise him on what suit to choose it'd have to be batting.. because he will never separate the big three.. and with Jhye Richardson waiting in the wings.. even less likely to.
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+x+xMarsh 1096 runs @ 30 and 30 wkts @ 41.Waugh 1079 runs @ 32 and 40 wkts @ 38.Sorry as accurate as Steve Waugh was I dont rate him anywhere near the standard of Mitch Marsh. Their records are similar because Marsh only gets to bowl to players well set and when the ball is soft. Naturally his figures will be mediocre. But I have always maintained he has the ability to bowl for longer spells and a newer ball. But most captains bring him on as mostly second..even third change..on CA's orders it must be said.. There have been occasions when Mitch has had the chance to bowl earlier in the innings and his figures have reflected that. I recall he took a fivefer on one such occasion. He is also one of the best swing bowlers in the country according to an article I read... a new art he appears to have acquired while out of Test cricket. Their records aren't similar at all. They are the very opposite of similar lol. They were similar after 25 matches, but Waugh has far better career figures in every possible way. Bowling is somewhat irrelevant though if you're batting in the top six. To do that you need to be able to hold the possie as a batsman, which he can't and which Waugh started to do, steadily improving his batting after around 25 matches. No doubt he is potentially a better bowler than Waugh was. He's a reasonable 5th bowler but he's never going to get in the team just for his bowling. I don't remember Waugh getting the new ball either, especially later in his career as genuine a part timer. The only place Marsh's bowling has seemed threatening is in England, for obvious reasons. He's another trundler anywhere else, not terribly threatening nor economical. A big problem for him is that he isn't great in Aus either. Shane Watson was a far better 5th bowler type of batting allrounder. He should focus on one or the other if he wishes to be a regular in the test team, at the moment he is a "no rounder". Concentrate on either bowling, or batting, instead of being mediocre at both. I’m going to respond to this in General Discussion. The same with the Cameron Green question, Baggers.
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