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+x+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches? That SL series led into the SA series lost at home by Aus, and you had a clean out, that saw Voges dropped, and Burns dropped. Burns is back now. The seam attack is stronger now with Cummins, but its more or less a similar team. Australia's biggest fall from grace in the sub continent, was not getting swept by SL, nor losing in the UAE back to back times now, it was probably losing a test to Bangladesh. That sent tongues wagging around the world tbh. I have said before, Australia's last away series victory was 2015/16, and its last series win in Asia was 2011. If these are not causes for concern, I do not know what is. The home record is fair, losing only to India and SA, the latter now being 3 times in a row, though. A new rivalry building perhaps? People should not be concerned comparing the Australian team with NZ on the other hand, who has drawn its last two series in SL, drawn and beaten Pakistan in the UAE, never lost a test to Bangladesh and also been hammered by India away, but beaten them at home. NZ's success in Asia comes down to simply KW and Latham murdering spin attacks. They average highly against spin, more so than they do against seam. Why Latham is then opening the batting, is quite unfortunate for him. Sommerville and Patel have only been around a year, but success in SL and UAE has been shouldered with their spin bowling, they are yet to play in India. The current NZ side, while one of the better ones I have supported, is far from a complete team. Basing anything as against them is not the strongest foundation. It lacks a SENA spinner, needs an opening batsman replacement, and is a reserve seamer light at the moment - with Henry and Ferg not quite upto high hopes. Whether Nicholls is the real deal, or will be replaced with Conway next year is also up for later debate.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval. CA shud also be worried going into a game with only four bowlers after losing Josh last match and leaving us depleted. Just as well we lost him when we were well ahead in the game. CA will never consider tail end runs over a specialist #6 DC. I want Alex Carey to bat #6 when he replaces Tim. This opens up the option for another batsman or bowler.. but they insist on a so called all rounder at #6 over a specialist bat. I like the all rounder type at 6 as opposed to 4 specialist bowlers.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that. Les Burdett the newly annointed "legendary pitch whisperer" by the press says.... You'll have a pitch that has more life in it than in years gone by and that it will also make for an entertaining contest sounds good. Hope Les is right, Baggers.
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+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. The question has to be asked, is our current lot any better than 4 years ago in SL and on the Subcontinent? I'm not sure there has been a change in wickets and the development of cricketers in Australia in that time. Are we observing in the least three tests in Australia this summer, the normal success on home pitches?
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+x+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. I also don't worry too much about our recent annus horibilis where we were never going to do much regardless. The claim they are better in (choose country) is about as meaningless as claiming they are better on the moon lol. If they really are as good as the skyting they shouldn't have any trouble at all with us, and shouldn't have lost the first match. Will see how they go from here on in. Good points fs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that. Les Burdett the newly annointed "legendary pitch whisperer" by the press says.... You'll have a pitch that has more life in it than in years gone by and that it will also make for an entertaining contest sounds good.
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+x+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too. We played SL nearly 4 years ago and have had a couple of major clean outs since then. More recently we were one each with all three results possible going into the 4th match in India. When they start doing things like that, winning in India, I'll start believing the hype. The Berlin Wall was still up when they last won a match in India. I also don't worry too much about our recent annus horibilis where we were never going to do much regardless. The claim they are better in (choose country) is about as meaningless as claiming they are better on the moon lol. If they really are as good as the skyting they shouldn't have any trouble at all with us, and shouldn't have lost the first match. Will see how they go from here on in.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle. No underestimating going on. They were bundled out very cheaply twice on a lively pitch. They would have needed a third innings just to score as many as our first. No need to change things too much, certainly no need for a bouncer war. If Melbourne is flat they'll probably score, but then their bowlers are unlikely to enjoy that as much. 130 kph with no movement could be tough work. That's if it is flat, they're claiming it will be an "entertaining" pitch. Not sure MCG pitch has ever been that.
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+x+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval. CA shud also be worried going into a game with only four bowlers after losing Josh last match and leaving us depleted. Just as well we lost him when we were well ahead in the game. CA will never consider tail end runs over a specialist #6 DC. I want Alex Carey to bat #6 when he replaces Tim. This opens up the option for another batsman or bowler.. but they insist on a so called all rounder at #6 over a specialist bat.
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+x+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely. Don't underestimate the Kiwi batting, it has been better than ours in recent tines home and away. Nicholls and Latham have been ranked in the top 10 batters in the world recently. Taylor has Test average of 48 over a long career. Williamson is one of the best batters in the world. With our batting Smith is out of form. Labu and Warmer are in form for the current summer. Wade, Head and Burns are not established. Agree about Siddle.
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+x+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot. Paine isn't batting well enough for a number 6 spot. However, with Neser at 7, and particularly a combo of Cummins Starc and Patto at 8, 9 and 10, that is considerable batting depth that compensates for Paine, and probably Neser, not being good enough for 6 and 7. I'm always worried about going into any Test with three pace bowlers and a spinner, in case one of the pace bowlers gets injured, particularly on flat pitches. I've also seen Neser bowl effectively quite a bit at Bellerive Oval.
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+x+x+x+x[quote]Don't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them. Our bowlers knocked them over cheaply in both innings while being a bowler short, so I don't think they’ll see any need for a “bouncer war”. Out of their 20 wickets, only one of them managed a half century. Thats a comprehensive drubbing. I actually think the kiwis wasted the conditions under lights on the first day with this tactic. Let them send down those 120 something bouncers. They've used this tactic the last couple of times we've played them, without much success. Why change a winning formula lol. Langer did float the possibility of going into Melbourne with five bowlers, which seems strange. That would mean Head out, with (probably) both Siddle and Pattinson in. Sounds like he's not expecting a very bowler friendly wicket. Not sure about Siddle even being in the squad. It's not going to be pom conditions. He's been a great workhorse for us, but his best days are well and truly behind him now surely.
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+x+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters. Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration.
DC that in a nutshell is the story of Siddle's career. Has a heart as big as himself and will run in all day, tie up an end. But his ability to build pressure like some other seaming greats is just not part of his make up. But I can see why Langer picked him as he wants "his presence around the playing group". I am voting for Pattinson as the third bowler. Starc, Cummins and Patto..here is some serious fire power if NZ want a bouncer war. I like your idea of Neser at #7. Question is will CA think Paine can hold down a specialist batting spot.
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+x+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though. Correct DC. We wore some body blows in Perth.. but Paddles men only bowl at 125-130ks. Our three if they include Pattinson can crank it up to 145- 150ks. So if those Kiwis want a return to Bodyline then we are more than equipped and happy to oblige them.
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+x+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal. LOL. Are you mistaken or lying? NZ has NEVER played Australia in a test in DUNEDIN ever... that i can find... :) Lol at a few years ago... I MEAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aus were last here 2015/16 and played basin and chch, before that, then a decade ago before now, look the big 3 bar England dont come here often... dont pretend like you do. You like money. Not recipiprocity... We know this. India are 7 years since last here. England are over 4 years to host us over there. And you, Aus, and over 8 years to tour here on the ftp and then some. It is what it is. WE dont have cricket money. It's that simple. Dec cricket aint a big deal here. Ever. And cricket aint a big deal here ever. Neither. Wake up and stop being so mistaken. NZ has NEVER EVER EVER EVER played Australia in a test in Dundein at any ground in Dunedin EVER>>>> Not in the history of cricket. I mean ever... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58827.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregatehttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58822.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregateSorry Dec, you're wrong. Firmly so. Not even remotely close to being right. And Dec, if yuou remotely think test cricket here behind a pay wall is a big deal, you're so wrong its not funny. Test cricket is behind, rugby, rugby league, sailing, rowing and basketball.netball for the girls. In that order :) Test cricket here is tiny. We win rugby, sailing, rowing and netball. We dont care about Indian cricket. That's the reality. I dont even care if you accept this, sailing will make this country a fortune next americas cup we host. Cricket never will. Ever. We have never hosted an ICC final cos we dont care about cricket enough... :) I must be mistaken. Could it have been Christchurch? There was no big stand behind one of the ends of the pitch. The crowds were decent.
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Seemed to be "dealt with" just fine at Optus stadium only a few days ago, but thanks for the concern. :laugh:
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The reality every cricket fan knows, but Australians struggle with,
is where cricket is big..
like Pak - Aus lost,
like India, Aus lost,
Like Sl, Aus lost,
Like Bangaldesh, Aus drew after losing a test,
is that SA, Eng, NZ are not mainstream cricket nations, we have footballs... and sailing, and other sports...
Yet SA still won home and away - god bless 'em....
Eng's sport - soccer - clearly, then ruigby - then golf and tennis - then cricket....
SA - rugby and soccer,
TOnga, Samoa and Fiji, rugby and rugby league...
Deal with it boys and girls, its the truth... :)
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+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal. LOL. Are you mistaken or lying? NZ has NEVER played Australia in a test in DUNEDIN ever... that i can find... :) Lol at a few years ago... I MEAN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aus were last here 2015/16 and played basin and chch, before that, then a decade ago before now, look the big 3 bar England dont come here often... dont pretend like you do. You like money. Not recipiprocity... We know this. India are 7 years since last here. England are over 4 years to host us over there. And you, Aus, and over 8 years to tour here on the ftp and then some. It is what it is. WE dont have cricket money. It's that simple. Dec cricket aint a big deal here. Ever. And cricket aint a big deal here ever. Neither. Wake up and stop being so mistaken. NZ has NEVER EVER EVER EVER played Australia in a test in Dundein at any ground in Dunedin EVER>>>> Not in the history of cricket. I mean ever... http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58827.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregatehttp://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/ground/58822.html?class=1;template=results;type=aggregateSorry Dec, you're wrong. Firmly so. Not even remotely close to being right. And Dec, if yuou remotely think test cricket here behind a pay wall is a big deal, you're so wrong its not funny. Test cricket is behind, rugby, rugby league, sailing, rowing and basketball.netball for the girls. In that order :) Test cricket here is tiny. We win rugby, sailing, rowing and netball. We dont care about Indian cricket. That's the reality. I dont even care if you accept this, sailing will make this country a fortune next americas cup we host. Cricket never will. Ever. We have never hosted an ICC final cos we dont care about cricket enough... :)
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So pre series.... I questioned Raval and Santner, after 1 test, NZ's former batting coach says this... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12294469Former Black Caps batting coach Craig McMillan said it would be "cruel" to keep picking opener Jeet Raval against Australia.The out-of-form Raval was a disaster in the first test in Perth, as Australia won the opening encounter by a mammoth margin.The action shifts to Melbourne next week, for the Boxing Day test, and McMillan says Tom Blundell must replace Raval, while finger spinner Mitchell Santner should also be axed."It's pretty obvious, the opening batting conundrum at the top and the spinner, they're the two who have to be sorted and changes have to be made," McMillan told Radio Sport Breakfast.ADVERTISEMENT
Advertise with NZME."You drop him because playing him again would be cruel. It would actually be silly. Tom Blundell is the batting cover okay. He's covering positions one to six."In an ideal world when you are touring Australia you like to have a reserve opening batsman. New Zealand haven't done that and probably don't have many options in terms of that at the moment."Will Young is out injured and not playing. He would have been the obvious person to fill that gap."Tom Blundell has the skill set that can succeed at the top. He plays fast bowling well; he's a good back foot player."The question for me is would you lose anything by playing him in this next test match? The answer to that is a very simple no so he has to play."And the great thing about Tom Blundell is he would be expecting to play and he would want that opportunity to play in the Boxing Day test."He has all the qualities you want. He actually prefers facing bowling the quicker it gets."He has a great back foot game, plays horizontal bat shots so he has the skill set to deal with the Australian bowlers."ADVERTISEMENTAdvertise with NZME.McMillan said in an ideal world, Blundell - whose two tests were as a wicketkeeper - would not be opening but a pragmatic selection change could bring a big gain."It might be a stop gap for two test matches but it's an opportunity for someone else and you never know what might happen," said former test batsman McMillan.Former test batsman McMillan said Raval should still be dropped even if he scored a lot of runs in the two day game before the second test."If Raval goes out and score runs against a very weak Victorian opposition it doesn't change anything for me," he said."I would give an opportunity to Blundell in that game and then play him in the final two test matches."A straight swap – you can't be changing two or three other positions. Yes, they missed out in that first test but their records over a period of time at numbers four, five six have been so good."McMillan said New Zealand had quality red ball spinners, naming leggie Todd Astle and the orthodox left armer Ajaz Patel.Astle had over 330 first class wickets including 13 five and two ten wicket hauls. Patel had 233 first class wickets, with 18 five wicket bags and three 10 wicket hauls.READ MORE:
• Cricket: Black Caps coach Gary Stead says key team changes are possible
• Cricket: Black Caps tactics in first test defeat in Perth raise 'bodyline' comparisons
• Cricket: Black Caps star Lockie Ferguson flies home as Trent Boult returns to fold
• Any Given Monday: The reason why the Black Caps can beat Australia - but Perth test could be an ambush"And we're picking a guy whose best is three for 20. You work that out," he said of Santner."Mitch did well, he scored that 100, got three-for against England, but at number eight your job has to be taking wickets."(Australian spinner) Nathan Lyon took six wickets in that (Perth) test match. It took a lot of pressure off (Mitchell) Starc and (Pat) Cummins."We need to take some pressure off Neil Wagner and Tim Southee who were outstanding after we lost Lockie Ferguson."The spinner has to be able to pick up three, four, five wickets."[/quote]
What do I know about cricket? lol. But its not Patel, Sommerville is our best, then Patel, then Astle, then Santer... in 4th...
Who called this before the series started? Yeah, I did. And several more kiwi fans...
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+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. With De Grandhomme being able to bowl effortlessly for so many tight overs, NZ could bowl Ferguson in a few short three over spells. Probably four to five of these spells in a day in a day Ferguson could sustain his express pace.
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+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. I watched a Test at Dunedin a few years ago against Oz and they drew about 8 000 fans per day. The Test against Oz was a big deal.
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. Southee also bowled some effective short stuff. It didn't win the game though.
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+x+x+x+x+xI seem to remember the last series in Australia was close, with one key decision in Adelaide going Aus's way. It was decisive in the context of the series. Yeah - but we were smashed at the Gabba with our bowlers looking lame. KW announced himself to Aussie fans, though. We pretty have much have the same bowling attack as last time, Wagner was just a reserve last time, and only Ferg - yet to debut - is a new addition to the entire bowling squad from the 2015 series. Wagner will try his thing. But if it doesn't come off, I think our bowlers are going to struggle. They just don't have the height or pace that succeeds the best typically in Australian conditions. Ferg can get over 150km/h - but that's odi at 10 overs with his last spell often slower. In the TCA members, Aussie fans are very confident in the outcome - that Australia will prevail. However, most don't seem to realise that the Kiwis are ranked number 2 in the world, and have played better overseas than Australia in the last few years. Justin Langer has recently waxed lyrical about how good the Kiwis currently are though. We'd smash Australia in England or Asia imo. We're just much better in those conditions. But we're not playing there. We're playing Australia in Australia. Where NZ bowlers are terrible. Where English bowlers are terrible. Where all Asian attacks bar India are terrible. Simply terrible. Our batsman will fight to give us 650/700 runs in the game, but the bowlers will give your batsmen more is my fear. We just dont have the skill and pace of Rabada, Steyn, Morkel, Abbott, Bumrah, Shami with their swing, seam and plus 140 all day pace. You want to win in Australia, you need to bring pace. We don't have the pace. Boult and Wagner are short, so we don't have height/bounce either, - Southee isn't exactly tall for a fast bowler at 6'3". It all comes to Wagner for me - seeing we will stupidly play a spinner who will suck and be useless instead of Ferg - who has pace but never faced 40 degree all day heat for more than 10 overs in a day where he slowed down later anyway. Can Wagner pull something out in his bag of bouncer tricks. Pitch cracks open and anything might happen. It did too.
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+xAgainst the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one). It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though. The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle. On Fox Sports, I heard them say NZ have outperformed us on the Subcontinent. Whereas we've last to all of SL, Pak, India and Bangladesh, the Kiwis have beaten Pakistan in the UAE - at least. You might be able to add Bangla and SL too.
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+x+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. Really like my opening post in this thread. Really also like the one where I said our problem would be letting Aus score 400/500 and 600 to oftenm but I won't quote that seeing it was in reply to someone I will not engage with anymore. I’m really pleased you like your own posts so much, Paddles.
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+x+xWill the MCG be a minefield, or a flat wicket? Will Pattinson or Siddle get the nod for Hazlewood's spot? I don't think Siddle should get it, but Langer has suggested he is in the running for it. Victoria have selected all of Pattinson, Tremain and Boland in front of Siddle. At Bellerive in recent Shield games Siddle has has bowled tightly, but not with great penetration. I think Bird has taken most Shield wickets this season, but Pattinson and Neser have been in Test squads unavailable for a few games. I think I would like to see Pattinson selected, with Neser going in at number 7 and Paine 6. Pattinson, Starc and Cummins are three quite strong batters who can fortify all of 8, 9 and 10, given Paine and newer are probably weak 6 and 7 batters.
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+xDon't like NZ's chances here. Raval is terribly out of form and Will Young, who made all those runs vs Aus in your WC warm ups, (2 centuries back to back and a 61 in 3 innings) is still injured. Poor guy missed his test debut before that due to the Chch shooting. So we're a wicket down before we begin. Then - despite Sommerville and Patel spinning us to test wins in SL and UAE vs Pak, neither are on tour, but two spinners who didn't play those games, or one who was dropped, are on the tour. Confusing? Well then more confusing is that NZ's start bowler of the CWC, with the ability to bowl 150km/h heat, is still ranked below Boult, Wagner - okay - Southee - grizzle - Matt Henry? Seriously? Even with smarter selections and Young fit, I am quite worried about our bowlers letting Aus score 500+ too often with Warner, Smith, Labu all firing. Boult and Southee were smashed everywhere bar Adelaide under lights last time. Wagner can do his leg theory stuff and that was sorely missed last time, so hopefully there is that, but I just see too many huge Australian scores comming up. I don't even know why we're taking spinners over for anywhere but SCG. And it should have been Sommerville. Really like my opening post in this thread. Really also like the one where I said our problem would be letting Aus score 400/500 and 600 to oftenm but I won't quote that seeing it was in reply to someone I will not engage with anymore. But I am interested how the Australians will now adapt to Wagner and the short bowling they collapsed to in Perth. And I would love to know what NZ has in plan for Labu, cos he is just scoring like the Don right now.
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Against the three dominant teams so far this century (Aus, Saffers, India), so far the Kiwis have managed to win one single solitary match away out of 35 attempts lol and that was a very close and evenly fought match itself (and a very entertaining one).
It does appear they are far too good for Zimbabwe away though.
The idea that they are now some "away powerhouses" is far fetched, but if so this is their chance to demonstrate it. They only have to take the next two matches. Most Aussies would be happy for the kiwis to do well, they are a good team. It's the unrealistic crowing from some of their supporters that would rankle.
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+x+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. And this team bounced back from the WC final in SL and vs England - that was the worst thing that has happened to NZC history - ever - really. I certainly don't think they get demoralised from thrashings. India especially has served them up to this group away. It's just business as usual. Now Raval may be completely demoralised. And he should be. Cos he can see his internatrional cricket career falling apart in front of him. But this is not just Australia, its almost everyone for 2 years now, home and away. Santner is too laconic to ever care about anything. And the rest of the team seem pretty happy with their year's performances. So demoralised? I doubt it. Southee and Wagner had big grins at the end of the game. Tbe biggest news over here is the appointment of the new All Black coach. Yeh and like you the few posters were hurting.. tell me otherwise. I reckon it may hurt even more when big cousin wallops you.. sort of like Oz feels when the Pommies hammer us.. tho I have never regarded them as almost family. The biggest thrill that I get from beating England is knowing that we were victorious against the nation that invented the sport. Imagine how my forefathers that won back in 1887 to create the Ashes felt. I am also a Biritsh citizen, so I don't quite feel the same way as you do at all to be honest. And I certainly consider NZ to be the child of England in every manner, shape and form. I am glad we kept the union jack on our flag. It typically all irks the same when we lose fairly - regardless opposition or margin, it all feels the same when we win for me fairly. Losing to Safrica at home due to rain was far more frustrating and hurt more than when Aus steam rolled us over here. That Lyon edge, hated that at Adelaide, third umpires should be able to do their job. While England Australia are bigger drawcards for NZC fans, and of course India and their migrated fans, the big 3 are just the Big 3. I prefer our series win in UAE vs Pakistan to either of our last series wins over England or our home series win over India. I love it when we win the Chapell Hadlee - but its just like any other series vs India, Pakistan, England, SA, SL etc... I love my team and enjoy seeing them do well. As a NZC fan, this is not the normal situation.
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+x+xbloody hell. This site sometimes. I posted and twice it has vanished. I wrote lets not worry about overseas games this is the present and Australia is at home.. her fortress. Your blokes certainly are demoralised. Bullshit to say otherwise. I only have to read the Perth post mortem posts of your fellow Kiwis to know that. I know how passionate your countrymen are.. as passionate as us Aussies and to lose is like a knife to the gut. Cricket over here isn't that much of a big deal. You're on the main Kiwi cricket forum and you see how few users there are. And this team bounced back from the WC final in SL and vs England - that was the worst thing that has happened to NZC history - ever - really. I certainly don't think they get demoralised from thrashings. India especially has served them up to this group away. It's just business as usual. Now Raval may be completely demoralised. And he should be. Cos he can see his internatrional cricket career falling apart in front of him. But this is not just Australia, its almost everyone for 2 years now, home and away. Santner is too laconic to ever care about anything. And the rest of the team seem pretty happy with their year's performances. So demoralised? I doubt it. Southee and Wagner had big grins at the end of the game. Tbe biggest news over here is the appointment of the new All Black coach. Yeh and like you the few posters were hurting.. tell me otherwise. I reckon it may hurt even more when big cousin wallops you.. sort of like Oz feels when the Pommies hammer us.. tho I have never regarded them as almost family. The biggest thrill that I get from beating England is knowing that we were victorious against the nation that invented the sport. Imagine how my forefathers that defeated England for the first time back in 1887 to create the Ashes felt.
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