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+x+x+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment. As the result of the shutdowns, i'm one of the people that has been put on reduced pay. I'm still employed but rather than stand staff down, my boss offered temporary salary reductions to all staff. As soon as that happened, I immediately went through all of my subscriptions and direct debits and cancelled anything non-essential (basically anything entertainment related). All of my work colleagues have done the same. Three of them had Foxtel, and all three have cancelled their subscriptions. One of them has even decided not to renew her lease and has moved back into her parents house with her boyfriend. A good 40% of my employers client base is from the events and sports industries (among others) including a small amount of work for the NRL and Super Rugby. To put that in perspective, the amount of revenue we collect from the two rugby seasons alone covers one staff member's salary for an entire year. So far, no-one has lost their job where I work, but that runway is only so long. We know that the business will bounce back once restrictions are lifted, but we don't know when that will be, so we need to prepare for the long haul. You and I are sailing in the same boat.... along with a few million others. Cash is king at the moment and the only discretionary spend I have kept on (actually increased) is on the alcohol 🍺
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+x+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment. As the result of the shutdowns, i'm one of the people that has been put on reduced pay. I'm still employed but rather than stand staff down, my boss offered temporary salary reductions to all staff. As soon as that happened, I immediately went through all of my subscriptions and direct debits and cancelled anything non-essential (basically anything entertainment related). All of my work colleagues have done the same. Three of them had Foxtel, and all three have cancelled their subscriptions. One of them has even decided not to renew her lease and has moved back into her parents house with her boyfriend. A good 40% of my employers client base is from the events and sports industries (among others) including a small amount of work for the NRL and Super Rugby. To put that in perspective, the amount of revenue we collect from the two rugby seasons alone covers one staff member's salary for an entire year. So far, no-one has lost their job where I work, but that runway is only so long. We know that the business will bounce back once restrictions are lifted, but we don't know when that will be, so we need to prepare for the long haul.
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+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. People lose jobs. People cancel Foxtel. Foxtel cut costs Not hard to understand. You really think this is just society as normal but everybody is on holiday for 2-3 months? straw man
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+x+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment. at the moment you can get foxtel now - streaming - basic package for $25 per month and their entire catalogue is available. https://www.finder.com.au/foxtel-free-upgraded-content-and-unlimited-data
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+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. People lose jobs. People cancel Foxtel. Foxtel cut costs Not hard to understand. You really think this is just society as normal but everybody is on holiday for 2-3 months? That’s how I’m treating. Did cancel kayo though.
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+x+x+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment. With Fox throwing in movies and sport into the package for free, is enough reason to keep the basic package going and avoid the cutting Fox right out altogether. I think people at home will be reluctant to dispose of one of the very few aspects of entertainment remaining. At the moment anyway. I don’t know. The headlines are masking the stark reality that for millions of people they are going to struggle to pay rent/mortgage and the normal bills. And with the government signalling there’s no short term end to this many people will be very fearful
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+x+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment. With Fox throwing in movies and sport into the package for free, is enough reason to keep the basic package going and avoid the cutting Fox right out altogether. I think people at home will be reluctant to dispose of one of the very few aspects of entertainment remaining. At the moment anyway.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. People lose jobs. People cancel Foxtel. Foxtel cut costs Not hard to understand. You really think this is just society as normal but everybody is on holiday for 2-3 months?
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+x+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over. It depends which part of the economy you’re in - if your job is not impacted you probably haven’t thought about the FoxTel subscription but if you’re one of the millions that have lost their job, or are on reduced pay, or fear for the future of your job then the $60-$80/month FoxTel subscription is probable an early cost saving. Especially when you can get STAN, Netflix, and Amazon Prime for $10-$15/month each. We are now in a severe recession - typically FoxTel would do poorly in such an economic environment.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. This. But I think they may be in strife after the virus is over.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArticle just goes to show how much more the clubs value keeping Lowy's supposedly "shit" tv deal, over independence... I don’t understand. Give more detail please Why don't you post a lizard picture? You bullied libel for a year or more and now he lives in a special place in your brain. Good on him. I probably don't share much of his views, or even how he puts them at times, but it is interesting that you never attempt to constructively engage and counter his point of view intelligently. You just play dumb. I think it's play? He does come across as somebody who really cares. That is worth a lot in troubled times. It was more of a jibe because what does he expect? That the clubs will walk away from the deal? Time will sort this out. Fox will drop the deal not vice versa. I must live in a special place in yours  dont be fooled that this is a club v fox thing that he paints. My view is simple. It had lost its way from a place for information and forays into banter to a forum of lies, slander and bullying. Probably some truth in that. Could also say that we mirror the wider football community, the diminishing of interest in Australian football is right across the board. What Australian football forums have survived? Remember about 12 years ago how we had many vibrant ones, there's next to nothing now. The gradual loss of hope has been painful to watch. When the history of the A League is written, the Lowys and Gallop will be called to account. A litany of vanity, nepotism and incompetence. Or having initiated the most successful league and standard of professionalism in the country's history. Got Australia into Asia. Successive world cup appearances. Developed a woman's professional league, youth league. Record income into a sport that was on its knees. Led the sport into mainstream acceptance at least multiple times more than it was before. One can go on. But it appears you have forgotten these. Yes, the old FFA eventually lost their way, but what has the current crop of FFA done in their 20 months? It lacks strong leadership. Unable to unite in times of need. Has no pulling power with large sponsors, corporations or government. This is where incompetence is better demonstrated. I agree with most of that, but it is also true that Lowy snr was guilty of nepotism, and on that score, he trashed his reputation and legacy. As for the new board and Chair, yep, you can already see it will add up to a big fat zero, with or without the pandemic, but that's definitely the nail in the coffin. The new Chair has one tenth of the clout Lowy snr had, and with each passing day, that is becoming more and more obvious. For the time being, not sure for how long, but it will definitely be a case of: hello old soccer! where have you been the last 15 years? Amazing how some claim nepotism. The fact that the Consultants searched, identified many and selected Lowy junior as the best candidate is incredibly overlooked as was the unanimous approval of the Board. Theory due to hatred vs facts runs supreme it seems. OK, now I'm sure you're just taking the piss, too. There's no way someone could type that with a straight face. Still waiting for he evidence from someone, anyone, that he was not the best option. Relying on the fact that he is just related to Frank Lowy is piss poor. I can see that self isolation at home isn't working out that well for you. Still no evidence and this is the best you can do. Evidence isn't important when they "feel" they are right. All you have to do is look up the meaning of the term and apply it to the context. I thought you struggled with the meaning of evidence lol. You are completely incoherent. Stuck at home with time on your hands and a bolt loosened brain. I'll blame your dementia for those comments.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. Their advertising revenue is imploding as well, not just their’s but across the industry.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? Of course they are. Even boomers aren't stupid enough to keep paying Murdoch for MASH reruns, because that's all they have to offer now. Without live sport Foxtel's 20th century business model is completely fucked.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. Bingo
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArticle just goes to show how much more the clubs value keeping Lowy's supposedly "shit" tv deal, over independence... I don’t understand. Give more detail please Why don't you post a lizard picture? You bullied libel for a year or more and now he lives in a special place in your brain. Good on him. I probably don't share much of his views, or even how he puts them at times, but it is interesting that you never attempt to constructively engage and counter his point of view intelligently. You just play dumb. I think it's play? He does come across as somebody who really cares. That is worth a lot in troubled times. It was more of a jibe because what does he expect? That the clubs will walk away from the deal? Time will sort this out. Fox will drop the deal not vice versa. I must live in a special place in yours dont be fooled that this is a club v fox thing that he paints. My view is simple. It had lost its way from a place for information and forays into banter to a forum of lies, slander and bullying. Probably some truth in that. Could also say that we mirror the wider football community, the diminishing of interest in Australian football is right across the board. What Australian football forums have survived? Remember about 12 years ago how we had many vibrant ones, there's next to nothing now. The gradual loss of hope has been painful to watch. When the history of the A League is written, the Lowys and Gallop will be called to account. A litany of vanity, nepotism and incompetence. Or having initiated the most successful league and standard of professionalism in the country's history. Got Australia into Asia. Successive world cup appearances. Developed a woman's professional league, youth league. Record income into a sport that was on its knees. Led the sport into mainstream acceptance at least multiple times more than it was before. One can go on. But it appears you have forgotten these. Yes, the old FFA eventually lost their way, but what has the current crop of FFA done in their 20 months? It lacks strong leadership. Unable to unite in times of need. Has no pulling power with large sponsors, corporations or government. This is where incompetence is better demonstrated. I agree with most of that, but it is also true that Lowy snr was guilty of nepotism, and on that score, he trashed his reputation and legacy. As for the new board and Chair, yep, you can already see it will add up to a big fat zero, with or without the pandemic, but that's definitely the nail in the coffin. The new Chair has one tenth of the clout Lowy snr had, and with each passing day, that is becoming more and more obvious. For the time being, not sure for how long, but it will definitely be a case of: hello old soccer! where have you been the last 15 years? Amazing how some claim nepotism. The fact that the Consultants searched, identified many and selected Lowy junior as the best candidate is incredibly overlooked as was the unanimous approval of the Board. Theory due to hatred vs facts runs supreme it seems. OK, now I'm sure you're just taking the piss, too. There's no way someone could type that with a straight face. Still waiting for he evidence from someone, anyone, that he was not the best option. Relying on the fact that he is just related to Frank Lowy is piss poor. I can see that self isolation at home isn't working out that well for you. Still no evidence and this is the best you can do. Evidence isn't important when they "feel" they are right. All you have to do is look up the meaning of the term and apply it to the context. I thought you struggled with the meaning of evidence lol. You are completely incoherent. Stuck at home with time on your hands and a bolt loosened brain.
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+xare fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs. Surely they would also be saving money as they aren't paying for any sport at the moment
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are fox subscriptions going down when everyone is locked at home?? ill call bullshit. they are likely using covid as an excuse to cut costs.
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+x+xwell, I'll respond paulc not that I'm any more qualified or know the facts but from observations. Your stand for lowys in the big picture irritates most. No matter your justification about Jnr getting the position the fact of the matter is he wouldn't have been much or any different to his father. Sure he passed all the creds, you'd expect so type of schooling he had/degrees I expect but the game was down spiralling long before he got the gig.....and what did he do but hold stations and be stubborn holding onto the steering wheel incl playing games with FIFA. Stakeholders/us have been jumping up and down, grass roots, AL supporters alienated etcetc Re signing gallop isn't a job for the boys ? where was he taking us ? The saving grace to rest on for arguments sake has been the Fox deal, covid has fixed that up incl all sport. IF the top doesn't listen they lose us, forget bundling with the other mob mentality attitudes that I agree with you (barring pell) the Lowy model is fucked, it not about the new mob imo, its like a company releasing their first product but wheres the upgrades and in the game itself right down to association levels ? blank. I'm glad covid turned up. We'll be broke, a total reset, some clubs up in smoke, some new ones. Hopefully smarter and better comes out of the wipeout, re joining old with new disjointed model needs togetherness for history will repeat itself once again. Think of the children j/k/ importantly the pathways. I don't have an issue with the restructure, new ideas and fresh people if deservedly so. But after 20 months where are they? According to you, because it "irritates most" I should go with the flow and support the mob LOL. No thanks. You are literally libel.
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+x+x+x+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But here's no evidence. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same mentality right here. I can deal with a board stacked with his mates as Frank had with the original board. They were all highly accomplished businessmen. I had worked with one of them closely and another a bit, and they were really sharp and well grounded. My problem with S Lowy was he hadn't done anything before working for Dad at Westfield (I don't count 2 years at First Boston). He is clearly a bright guy, but it was all too easy to go work for Dad in an established business where you just do more of the same, and it showed when he couldn't manage a different business (FFA & Hal). That is our loss. This was a genuinely tough time for our game and having someone battle hardened like say a David Murray or in the current crop Alan Joyce (who got Jetstar on track and brought Qantas back from the brink, although I'm not a fan of him using it for his personal political agenda). People like that would have been better than the bunch of consultants and mates S Lowy brought in. Smart doesn't make you a good manager otherwise we would just put actuaries and rocket scientists in charge of everything. Acumen is hard to gain and judgement is tough to apply. My problem with nepotism is that often kids who may have lots of talent are thrust into positions they haven't been trained for and then its at best sink or swim. Its not always a problem, but for every Kerry Packer, there are lots of Warwick Fairfax's. I am facts based rather than politically leaning. Most people don't do their own research. Its amazing what you can debunk if you take the time. Thrusted? You mean he didn't want to do it but had to because daddy told him so? Hmmmm! Really got to the bottom of my comments and rebutted them there, not. I expected more. My bad
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArticle just goes to show how much more the clubs value keeping Lowy's supposedly "shit" tv deal, over independence... I don’t understand. Give more detail please Why don't you post a lizard picture? You bullied libel for a year or more and now he lives in a special place in your brain. Good on him. I probably don't share much of his views, or even how he puts them at times, but it is interesting that you never attempt to constructively engage and counter his point of view intelligently. You just play dumb. I think it's play? He does come across as somebody who really cares. That is worth a lot in troubled times. It was more of a jibe because what does he expect? That the clubs will walk away from the deal? Time will sort this out. Fox will drop the deal not vice versa. I must live in a special place in yours dont be fooled that this is a club v fox thing that he paints. My view is simple. It had lost its way from a place for information and forays into banter to a forum of lies, slander and bullying. Probably some truth in that. Could also say that we mirror the wider football community, the diminishing of interest in Australian football is right across the board. What Australian football forums have survived? Remember about 12 years ago how we had many vibrant ones, there's next to nothing now. The gradual loss of hope has been painful to watch. When the history of the A League is written, the Lowys and Gallop will be called to account. A litany of vanity, nepotism and incompetence. Or having initiated the most successful league and standard of professionalism in the country's history. Got Australia into Asia. Successive world cup appearances. Developed a woman's professional league, youth league. Record income into a sport that was on its knees. Led the sport into mainstream acceptance at least multiple times more than it was before. One can go on. But it appears you have forgotten these. Yes, the old FFA eventually lost their way, but what has the current crop of FFA done in their 20 months? It lacks strong leadership. Unable to unite in times of need. Has no pulling power with large sponsors, corporations or government. This is where incompetence is better demonstrated. I agree with most of that, but it is also true that Lowy snr was guilty of nepotism, and on that score, he trashed his reputation and legacy. As for the new board and Chair, yep, you can already see it will add up to a big fat zero, with or without the pandemic, but that's definitely the nail in the coffin. The new Chair has one tenth of the clout Lowy snr had, and with each passing day, that is becoming more and more obvious. For the time being, not sure for how long, but it will definitely be a case of: hello old soccer! where have you been the last 15 years? Amazing how some claim nepotism. The fact that the Consultants searched, identified many and selected Lowy junior as the best candidate is incredibly overlooked as was the unanimous approval of the Board. Theory due to hatred vs facts runs supreme it seems. OK, now I'm sure you're just taking the piss, too. There's no way someone could type that with a straight face. Still waiting for he evidence from someone, anyone, that he was not the best option. Relying on the fact that he is just related to Frank Lowy is piss poor. I can see that self isolation at home isn't working out that well for you. Still no evidence and this is the best you can do. Evidence isn't important when they "feel" they are right. All you have to do is look up the meaning of the term and apply it to the context. I thought you struggled with the meaning of evidence lol.
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+xwell, I'll respond paulc not that I'm any more qualified or know the facts but from observations. Your stand for lowys in the big picture irritates most. No matter your justification about Jnr getting the position the fact of the matter is he wouldn't have been much or any different to his father. Sure he passed all the creds, you'd expect so type of schooling he had/degrees I expect but the game was down spiralling long before he got the gig.....and what did he do but hold stations and be stubborn holding onto the steering wheel incl playing games with FIFA. Stakeholders/us have been jumping up and down, grass roots, AL supporters alienated etcetc Re signing gallop isn't a job for the boys ? where was he taking us ? The saving grace to rest on for arguments sake has been the Fox deal, covid has fixed that up incl all sport. IF the top doesn't listen they lose us, forget bundling with the other mob mentality attitudes that I agree with you (barring pell) the Lowy model is fucked, it not about the new mob imo, its like a company releasing their first product but wheres the upgrades and in the game itself right down to association levels ? blank. I'm glad covid turned up. We'll be broke, a total reset, some clubs up in smoke, some new ones. Hopefully smarter and better comes out of the wipeout, re joining old with new disjointed model needs togetherness for history will repeat itself once again. Think of the children j/k/ importantly the pathways. I don't have an issue with the restructure, new ideas and fresh people if deservedly so. But after 20 months where are they? According to you, because it "irritates most" I should go with the flow and support the mob LOL. No thanks.
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+x+x+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But there's no evidence and one must give benefit of the doubt to the professional recruiting consultants and the Board for making that decision. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job, professionally. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same pack mentality right here. You're a Trump man. Explains the hectoring irrationality. Again, completely irrelevant and shows what are coward some are. Still no evidence.
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+x+x+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But here's no evidence. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same mentality right here. I can deal with a board stacked with his mates as Frank had with the original board. They were all highly accomplished businessmen. I had worked with one of them closely and another a bit, and they were really sharp and well grounded. My problem with S Lowy was he hadn't done anything before working for Dad at Westfield (I don't count 2 years at First Boston). He is clearly a bright guy, but it was all too easy to go work for Dad in an established business where you just do more of the same, and it showed when he couldn't manage a different business (FFA & Hal). That is our loss. This was a genuinely tough time for our game and having someone battle hardened like say a David Murray or in the current crop Alan Joyce (who got Jetstar on track and brought Qantas back from the brink, although I'm not a fan of him using it for his personal political agenda). People like that would have been better than the bunch of consultants and mates S Lowy brought in. Smart doesn't make you a good manager otherwise we would just put actuaries and rocket scientists in charge of everything. Acumen is hard to gain and judgement is tough to apply. My problem with nepotism is that often kids who may have lots of talent are thrust into positions they haven't been trained for and then its at best sink or swim. Its not always a problem, but for every Kerry Packer, there are lots of Warwick Fairfax's. I am facts based rather than politically leaning. Most people don't do their own research. Its amazing what you can debunk if you take the time. Thrusted? You mean he didn't want to do it but had to because daddy told him so? Hmmmm!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xArticle just goes to show how much more the clubs value keeping Lowy's supposedly "shit" tv deal, over independence... I don’t understand. Give more detail please Why don't you post a lizard picture? You bullied libel for a year or more and now he lives in a special place in your brain. Good on him. I probably don't share much of his views, or even how he puts them at times, but it is interesting that you never attempt to constructively engage and counter his point of view intelligently. You just play dumb. I think it's play? He does come across as somebody who really cares. That is worth a lot in troubled times. It was more of a jibe because what does he expect? That the clubs will walk away from the deal? Time will sort this out. Fox will drop the deal not vice versa. I must live in a special place in yours dont be fooled that this is a club v fox thing that he paints. My view is simple. It had lost its way from a place for information and forays into banter to a forum of lies, slander and bullying. Probably some truth in that. Could also say that we mirror the wider football community, the diminishing of interest in Australian football is right across the board. What Australian football forums have survived? Remember about 12 years ago how we had many vibrant ones, there's next to nothing now. The gradual loss of hope has been painful to watch. When the history of the A League is written, the Lowys and Gallop will be called to account. A litany of vanity, nepotism and incompetence. Or having initiated the most successful league and standard of professionalism in the country's history. Got Australia into Asia. Successive world cup appearances. Developed a woman's professional league, youth league. Record income into a sport that was on its knees. Led the sport into mainstream acceptance at least multiple times more than it was before. One can go on. But it appears you have forgotten these. Yes, the old FFA eventually lost their way, but what has the current crop of FFA done in their 20 months? It lacks strong leadership. Unable to unite in times of need. Has no pulling power with large sponsors, corporations or government. This is where incompetence is better demonstrated. I agree with most of that, but it is also true that Lowy snr was guilty of nepotism, and on that score, he trashed his reputation and legacy. As for the new board and Chair, yep, you can already see it will add up to a big fat zero, with or without the pandemic, but that's definitely the nail in the coffin. The new Chair has one tenth of the clout Lowy snr had, and with each passing day, that is becoming more and more obvious. For the time being, not sure for how long, but it will definitely be a case of: hello old soccer! where have you been the last 15 years? Amazing how some claim nepotism. The fact that the Consultants searched, identified many and selected Lowy junior as the best candidate is incredibly overlooked as was the unanimous approval of the Board. Theory due to hatred vs facts runs supreme it seems. OK, now I'm sure you're just taking the piss, too. There's no way someone could type that with a straight face. Still waiting for he evidence from someone, anyone, that he was not the best option. Relying on the fact that he is just related to Frank Lowy is piss poor. I can see that self isolation at home isn't working out that well for you. Still no evidence and this is the best you can do. Evidence isn't important when they "feel" they are right. All you have to do is look up the meaning of the term and apply it to the context.
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well, I'll respond paulc not that I'm any more qualified or know the facts but from observations. Your stand for lowys in the big picture irritates most. No matter your justification about Jnr getting the position the fact of the matter is he wouldn't have been much or any different to his father. Sure he passed all the creds, you'd expect so type of schooling he had/degrees I expect but the game was down spiralling long before he got the gig.....and what did he do but hold stations and be stubborn holding onto the steering wheel incl playing games with FIFA. Stakeholders/us have been jumping up and down, grass roots, AL supporters alienated etcetc Re signing gallop isn't a job for the boys ? where was he taking us ? The saving grace to rest on for arguments sake has been the Fox deal, covid has fixed that up incl all sport. IF the top doesn't listen they lose us, forget bundling with the other mob mentality attitudes that I agree with you (barring pell) the Lowy model is fucked, it not about the new mob imo, its like a company releasing their first product but wheres the upgrades and in the game itself right down to association levels ? blank. I'm glad covid turned up. We'll be broke, a total reset, some clubs up in smoke, some new ones. Hopefully smarter and better comes out of the wipeout, re joining old with new disjointed model needs togetherness for history will repeat itself once again. Think of the children j/k/ importantly the pathways.
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+x+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But there's no evidence and one must give benefit of the doubt to the professional recruiting consultants and the Board for making that decision. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job, professionally. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same pack mentality right here. You're a Trump man. Explains the hectoring irrationality.
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+x+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But here's no evidence. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same mentality right here. I can deal with a board stacked with his mates as Frank had with the original board. They were all highly accomplished businessmen. I had worked with one of them closely and another a bit, and they were really sharp and well grounded. My problem with S Lowy was he hadn't done anything before working for Dad at Westfield (I don't count 2 years at First Boston). He is clearly a bright guy, but it was all too easy to go work for Dad in an established business where you just do more of the same, and it showed when he couldn't manage a different business (FFA & Hal). That is our loss. This was a genuinely tough time for our game and having someone battle hardened like say a David Murray or in the current crop Alan Joyce (who got Jetstar on track and brought Qantas back from the brink, although I'm not a fan of him using it for his personal political agenda). People like that would have been better than the bunch of consultants and mates S Lowy brought in. Smart doesn't make you a good manager otherwise we would just put actuaries and rocket scientists in charge of everything. Acumen is hard to gain and judgement is tough to apply. My problem with nepotism is that often kids who may have lots of talent are thrust into positions they haven't been trained for and then its at best sink or swim. Its not always a problem, but for every Kerry Packer, there are lots of Warwick Fairfax's. I am facts based rather than politically leaning. Most people don't do their own research. Its amazing what you can debunk if you take the time.
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+x@ paulc The problem is that people on here seem to think that nepotism is automatically a bad thing. I'm not sure why that is the case when it is neither unlawful nor unethical per se. It is only when the advancement of a relative over others within the organisation on the basis of the relationship rather than on ability that it becomes negative to the organisation and a reflection on the bestower of the favour. Fair points. It's the suspicion even if not justified, I acknowledge. But there's no evidence and one must give benefit of the doubt to the professional recruiting consultants and the Board for making that decision. I worked with organizations that had relatives succeed ahead of others. The mature attitude of others in the same organization was so be it, he has the likely credentials equal to any other as far as they were aware. They didn't whinge or sook because they thought they were better or because it was a relative of the CEO, but just got on with their job, professionally. The mob mentality here with some people is akin to that exhibited against George Pell, Morrison, Trump et al, or heaven's forbid if you question climate change and see what you cop from the loonie lefties. Same pack mentality right here.
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