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Fox Sports primed to pull pin on A-League, claims broadcast rights...

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bettega	bettega Posted 5 Years Ago #2892144
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.8K, Visits: 0	https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-salary-cap-crisis-club-owners-discuss-cutting-cap-in-half/news-story/d1ad4979651f8da2947afec08952af56 A-League salary cap crisis: Club owners discuss cutting cap in half Tom Smithies, Football Editor, The Daily TelegraphApril 2, 2020 6:51am The growing divide between the A-League clubs and the players threatens to become increasingly ugly, with the owners now pushing for a dramatic drop in the salary cap from next season. As more clubs took the decision to stand down players and staff on Wednesday, prompting more protests from the players’ association (PFA), well-placed sources have told News Corp Australia that a number of club owners want to reduce the salary cap by more than 50 per cent from its current $3.2 million. Western Sydney, Adelaide and Newcastle have all stood their players and staff down now, following Central Coast and Perth, and Brisbane and Western United look set to follow, though as of late Wednesday the Roar players had not received formal notice. Though a quarterly instalment of Fox Sports’ annual $56 million broadcast fee was due to be received within the next few days, A-League owners – to whom most of it is parcelled out each month – are increasingly convinced it won’t come given the competition’s suspension. Though FFA CEO James Johnson said he expects all obligations in FFA’s contract with Fox Sports to be adhered to, there is uncertainty over the status of the broadcaster’s payments across a number of sports that have been suspended. Fox Sports CEO Peter Campbell declined to comment, while it’s understood the FFA and the clubs have engaged a prominent barrister for the possibility of having to take legal action to try to enforce a range of commercial contracts. Though senior figures across the game have cautioned that it’s impossible to plan for next season until the full damage to the game – and society – from the coronavirus is known, club owners have begun discussions over how to proceed.That includes the possibility of a truncated new season, running from January to April next year and containing just 11 rounds and a short finals series, in order to avoid clashing with the NRL and AFL seasons if they are extended to the end of the calendar year. But it is the desire to slash the cap that will spark most controversy, not least as relations between several of the clubs and the PFA are described as deteriorating by several observers.
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someguyjc	someguyjc Posted 5 Years Ago #2892150
Pro Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.1K, Visits: 0	There is no reason to reduce the salary cap. They just need to remove the salary floor. That would give clubs adequate breathing room to spend within their means.
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bluebird	bluebird Posted 5 Years Ago #2892154
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 10K, Visits: 0	No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now
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walnuts	walnuts Posted 5 Years Ago #2892156
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 10K, Visits: 0	+x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot.
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Burztur	Burztur Posted 5 Years Ago #2892172
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 9.1K, Visits: 0	+x walnuts - 2 Apr 2020 11:45 AM +x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot. +1
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patjennings	patjennings Posted 5 Years Ago #2892193
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 6.7K, Visits: 0	+x walnuts - 2 Apr 2020 11:45 AM +x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot. The salary cap holding bag the league was the biggest furphy out. The lack of alternate revenue streams i,e, transfers and merchandise was a bigger deal. The bulk of the merchandise money going to the FFA meant that the clubs were reluctant to invest to increase the FFA's bottom line than their own. Large city clubs will always attract the biggest sponsors - the virtual blocking of alternate steams is what hurt the smaller clubs. Fix that and all owners will be able to put in more as they can see a change to their bottom line. If you control the stadium even better - better gate takings and food and beverage sales add to the incentive to sign better players.
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ErogenousZone	ErogenousZone Posted 5 Years Ago #2892194
Pro Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.6K, Visits: 0	You have to get past the PFA first, they'll never allow the cap to get cut like that. Edited 5 Years Ago by ErogenousZone
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melbourne_terrace	melbourne_terrace Posted 5 Years Ago #2892274
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 11K, Visits: 0	+x bettega - 2 Apr 2020 10:15 AM That includes the possibility of a truncated new season, running from January to April next year and containing just 11 rounds and a short finals series, in order to avoid clashing with the NRL and AFL seasons if they are extended to the end of the calendar year. Idiots making these sorts of suggestions cause far more damage to the game than any fan with a flare, give these fuckers the five year ban. Viennese Vuck
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~~libel~~	~~libel~~ Posted 5 Years Ago #2892278
Pro Group: Banned Members Posts: 3.7K, Visits: 0	"...senior figures across the game..." Ah, the new regime... Edited 5 Years Ago by libel
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walnuts	walnuts Posted 5 Years Ago #2892286
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 10K, Visits: 0	+x patjennings - 2 Apr 2020 2:32 PM +x walnuts - 2 Apr 2020 11:45 AM +x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot. The salary cap holding bag the league was the biggest furphy out. The lack of alternate revenue streams i,e, transfers and merchandise was a bigger deal. The bulk of the merchandise money going to the FFA meant that the clubs were reluctant to invest to increase the FFA's bottom line than their own. Large city clubs will always attract the biggest sponsors - the virtual blocking of alternate steams is what hurt the smaller clubs. Fix that and all owners will be able to put in more as they can see a change to their bottom line. If you control the stadium even better - better gate takings and food and beverage sales add to the incentive to sign better players. The salary cap was one of a myriad of reasons - I concur wholeheartedly that the FFA holding the merchandising strings was also a major roadblock towards sustainability.
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Waz	Waz Posted 5 Years Ago #2892288
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 19K, Visits: 0	+x walnuts - 3 Apr 2020 8:08 AM +x patjennings - 2 Apr 2020 2:32 PM +x walnuts - 2 Apr 2020 11:45 AM +x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot. The salary cap holding bag the league was the biggest furphy out. The lack of alternate revenue streams i,e, transfers and merchandise was a bigger deal. The bulk of the merchandise money going to the FFA meant that the clubs were reluctant to invest to increase the FFA's bottom line than their own. Large city clubs will always attract the biggest sponsors - the virtual blocking of alternate steams is what hurt the smaller clubs. Fix that and all owners will be able to put in more as they can see a change to their bottom line. If you control the stadium even better - better gate takings and food and beverage sales add to the incentive to sign better players. The salary cap was one of a myriad of reasons - I concur wholeheartedly that the FFA holding the merchandising strings was also a major roadblock towards sustainability. The FFA not only kept more of the money but also increased the costs to the clubs in a variety of ways. The hotels the players stayed in while they were travelling were booked at FFA approved hotels with the FFA taking a “commission” on each room booking, and the sports aid drinks they used the clubs were charged something like $2/bottle more than if they bought them themselves - the ”extra” going to the FFA. it was the Westfield model on steroids. I’d a business failed it was simply resold to a new tenant and rinse n repeat. Not that I’m a fan of CSG but without them nothing would have changed and Lowy would still be in charge.
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melbourne_terrace	melbourne_terrace Posted 5 Years Ago #2892291
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 11K, Visits: 0	+x walnuts - 3 Apr 2020 8:08 AM +x patjennings - 2 Apr 2020 2:32 PM +x walnuts - 2 Apr 2020 11:45 AM +x bluebird - 2 Apr 2020 11:35 AM No need for a salary cap. Just have minimum wage rules Trying to maintain a financial balance between all clubs after what they are going through will be business suicide for a league that is hoping to get through this CCM not being able to beat Sydney isn't the worse thing that can happen to our league. We know that now This so much! The salary floor is just 23 x minimum wage - keep it simple. According to this site (A-League Salary Cap), the minimum wage for a 20+ year old is $64,113 (less for U20's). Worst case scenario and the entire squad is over 20, then the minimum total wage bill is $1,474,599. For ease of use, lets round that to $1.5 million. If the Mariners want to operate on a wage bill of $1.5 million - LET THEM. We should stop dictating a one size fits all model to clubs. Naturally, at some point we need to introduce a competition equaliser in the form of pro/rel to stop underperforming clubs from squatting on a top level spot. The salary cap holding bag the league was the biggest furphy out. The lack of alternate revenue streams i,e, transfers and merchandise was a bigger deal. The bulk of the merchandise money going to the FFA meant that the clubs were reluctant to invest to increase the FFA's bottom line than their own. Large city clubs will always attract the biggest sponsors - the virtual blocking of alternate steams is what hurt the smaller clubs. Fix that and all owners will be able to put in more as they can see a change to their bottom line. If you control the stadium even better - better gate takings and food and beverage sales add to the incentive to sign better players. The salary cap was one of a myriad of reasons - I concur wholeheartedly that the FFA holding the merchandising strings was also a major roadblock towards sustainability. Not to mention the ludicrous rules about banning clubs from being sponsored by companies in competition with FFA sponsors. Viennese Vuck
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Bundoora B	Bundoora B Posted 5 Years Ago #2892314
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 12K, Visits: 0	+x Waz - 1 Apr 2020 10:35 PM +x Burztur - 1 Apr 2020 10:12 PM +x patjennings - 1 Apr 2020 9:30 PM +x Footballer - 1 Apr 2020 8:43 PM +x Burztur - 1 Apr 2020 6:50 PM +x pv4 - 1 Apr 2020 11:57 AM +x bettega - 1 Apr 2020 11:47 AM +x RedshirtWilly - 1 Apr 2020 11:46 AM So Optus announced they would start broadcasting marble racing on April Fools. Shame because the videos on Youtube of marble racing are actually pretty fun. personally, it seemed pretty poor taste on the part of Optus What have they done wrong? Have Optus themselves ever actually publicly shown interest in the AL, and can they be considered leading us on? Because all I see is a big company either: - making our lives better by giving live anything (if not a joke) - having some light hearted fun (if a joke) Optus has offended forumites since we expect them to swoop in and be our white knight. OPTUS: we'll give you $20M per season, for 6 years FFA: um, but that's not nearly enough. we need at least $40M to stay alive OPTUS: we'll give you $25M FFA: um. please? OPTUS: we'll stick with EPL If, and it is a big if, Optus want the A League they will pay considerably more than that. Not because the current product is worth it, but because they want the product to be worth it to drive NBN contracts away from Telstra. J-League A-League and EPL would be a good start. I think you overestimate the HAL pulling power. If the HALs pulling power is only 150,000 it’s worth over $100m to a Telco. its not just a-league. it's the package. premier league, a-league, champions league. that's what most football fans in aus want. you add some content around that - analysis and football news shows and it's very enticing.
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crimsoncrusoe	crimsoncrusoe Posted 5 Years Ago #2892315
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 6.9K, Visits: 0	Surely they wont reduce the next season to Jan to April to avoid clashing with NRL and AFL? Surely a joke to even think of that.
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patjennings	patjennings Posted 5 Years Ago #2892319
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 6.7K, Visits: 0	+x crimsoncrusoe - 3 Apr 2020 1:36 PM Surely they wont reduce the next season to Jan to April to avoid clashing with NRL and AFL? Surely a joke to even think of that. I suspect it is a thought bubble. If they can complete this season - even if it is a little late - they can hopefully start on time.
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bettega	bettega Posted 5 Years Ago #2892340
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.8K, Visits: 0	https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-cash-crisis-could-bring-opportunity-for-whole-of-game-shake-up-20200403-p54gvr.html A-League cash crisis could bring opportunity for whole of game shake-up By Michael Lynch April 3, 2020 — 4.02pm The coronavirus pandemic has hit Australia's cash-strapped A-League clubs hard but the financial shortfalls that COVID-19 has brought also represent an opportunity to reimagine the sport in this country, says leading administrator Nick Galatas. The crisis could accelerate plans to introduce promotion and relegation and a fully integrated pyramid system at state and national levels, says the man who is chairman of the Australian Association of Football Clubs (AAFC), the body representing NPL clubs in Australia. He acknowledges that might be delayed for a period now but insists that the current crisis is also a chance to re-examine the professional game and the whole integrated structure of soccer in this country.This is particularly the case if the economic model underpinning the A-League contracts if broadcaster Fox Sports walks away from the game because of its own financial uncertainty.If the cost base for the top-tier clubs shrinks dramatically – as many suspect it will with talk of the salary cap being halved for the next season – then the differential between the A-League clubs and the largest second-tier NPL teams will be nowhere near as great as it is at the moment. That makes the prospect of relegation to the second level much less challenging as it might otherwise have been, he argues.In turn that should facilitate the way for the changes to be made sooner rather than later, lessening the argument of A-League club owners that their revenue streams will diminish if they drop to a second-tier competition.'' I think that the linking of the game now, the continuum of clubs from the richest and the biggest down to the lower ones is going to become much more connected and organic than the system that we have currently,'' he said.'' That was artificially maintained. You had the bigger clubs outside the A-League [in Victoria leading NPL teams like South Melbourne, Bentleigh Greens, Heidelberg, Melbourne Knights] forced into smaller state leagues which ensured they were unable to grow and aspire to become bigger by moving into the top division.'' And the top-tier clubs have been artificially preserved at the highest level.''If the top tier is redeveloped in conjunction perhaps with a new broadcasting deal, if it's needed, and then restructured with a different financial model in place then I see as part of that an opportunity to introduce the second tier and work in promotion and relegation. I think a new broadcast partner might see value in it.''
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Jegga7698	Jegga7698 Posted 5 Years Ago #2892342
Hardcore Fan Group: Forum Members Posts: 236, Visits: 0	+x bettega - 3 Apr 2020 6:10 PM https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/a-league-cash-crisis-could-bring-opportunity-for-whole-of-game-shake-up-20200403-p54gvr.html A-League cash crisis could bring opportunity for whole of game shake-up By Michael Lynch April 3, 2020 — 4.02pm The coronavirus pandemic has hit Australia's cash-strapped A-League clubs hard but the financial shortfalls that COVID-19 has brought also represent an opportunity to reimagine the sport in this country, says leading administrator Nick Galatas. The crisis could accelerate plans to introduce promotion and relegation and a fully integrated pyramid system at state and national levels, says the man who is chairman of the Australian Association of Football Clubs (AAFC), the body representing NPL clubs in Australia. He acknowledges that might be delayed for a period now but insists that the current crisis is also a chance to re-examine the professional game and the whole integrated structure of soccer in this country.This is particularly the case if the economic model underpinning the A-League contracts if broadcaster Fox Sports walks away from the game because of its own financial uncertainty.If the cost base for the top-tier clubs shrinks dramatically – as many suspect it will with talk of the salary cap being halved for the next season – then the differential between the A-League clubs and the largest second-tier NPL teams will be nowhere near as great as it is at the moment. That makes the prospect of relegation to the second level much less challenging as it might otherwise have been, he argues.In turn that should facilitate the way for the changes to be made sooner rather than later, lessening the argument of A-League club owners that their revenue streams will diminish if they drop to a second-tier competition.'' I think that the linking of the game now, the continuum of clubs from the richest and the biggest down to the lower ones is going to become much more connected and organic than the system that we have currently,'' he said.'' That was artificially maintained. You had the bigger clubs outside the A-League [in Victoria leading NPL teams like South Melbourne, Bentleigh Greens, Heidelberg, Melbourne Knights] forced into smaller state leagues which ensured they were unable to grow and aspire to become bigger by moving into the top division.'' And the top-tier clubs have been artificially preserved at the highest level.''If the top tier is redeveloped in conjunction perhaps with a new broadcasting deal, if it's needed, and then restructured with a different financial model in place then I see as part of that an opportunity to introduce the second tier and work in promotion and relegation. I think a new broadcast partner might see value in it.'' Not only will promotion and relegation never happen in Australia. A second division provably won't now either. After a while maybe it's time people put this deluded shit to rest.
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Eldar	Eldar Posted 5 Years Ago #2892345
Pro Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.2K, Visits: 0	People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Beaten by Eldar
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Waz	Waz Posted 5 Years Ago #2892353
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 19K, Visits: 0	+x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Fine words but in the same article the AAFC admit their (less than transparent) plans for a second division will be delayed again.
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Jegga7698	Jegga7698 Posted 5 Years Ago #2892354
Hardcore Fan Group: Forum Members Posts: 236, Visits: 0	+x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Not happening my friend. You need to come to terms with that
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Eldar	Eldar Posted 5 Years Ago #2892358
Pro Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.2K, Visits: 0	+x Jegga7698 - 3 Apr 2020 7:34 PM +x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Not happening my friend. You need to come to terms with that I've come to terms with it, if it doesn't happen football will fail every time. +x Waz - 3 Apr 2020 7:29 PM +x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Fine words but in the same article the AAFC admit their (less than transparent) plans for a second division will be delayed again. Yeah, football has been delayed. Beaten by Eldar
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~~libel~~	~~libel~~ Posted 5 Years Ago #2892360
Pro Group: Banned Members Posts: 3.7K, Visits: 0	"as many suspect it will with talk of the salary cap being halved for the next season" Oh dear, oh dear....
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bettega	bettega Posted 5 Years Ago #2892361
World Class Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.8K, Visits: 0	+x Waz - 3 Apr 2020 7:29 PM +x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Fine words but in the same article the AAFC admit their (less than transparent) plans for a second division will be delayed again. I didn't notice tht bit, but in the current climate shouldn't surprise
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Waz	Waz Posted 5 Years Ago #2892371
Legend Group: Forum Members Posts: 19K, Visits: 0	+x bettega - 3 Apr 2020 8:05 PM +x Waz - 3 Apr 2020 7:29 PM +x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Fine words but in the same article the AAFC admit their (less than transparent) plans for a second division will be delayed again. I didn't notice tht bit, but in the current climate shouldn't surprise Agreed. This is the time to fix the whole thing. Just won’t be a quick fix sadly.
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Razor Ramon	Razor Ramon Posted 5 Years Ago #2892402
Rising Star Group: Forum Members Posts: 886, Visits: 0	+x Eldar - 3 Apr 2020 6:57 PM People need to put the deluded shit that you can just start a league, with 10 teams and no history, and then just expect everyone in Australia to be die hard fans because it's football. It's bullshit, Football is life, not a fucking Lowy franchise Fox product. Open the whole fucking thing up, go back to 1879 and build it from there. Hilarious you said that. One poster on here thought if We had a FFA CEO with charisma and Balls, the FFA package would be worth 100 million a year. The A-league has so many problems, just like the AFL and NRL, its not even funny
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Razor Ramon	Razor Ramon Posted 5 Years Ago #2892405
Rising Star Group: Forum Members Posts: 886, Visits: 0	+x bettega - 30 Mar 2020 10:49 AM +x inala brah - 30 Mar 2020 10:13 AM +x Razor Ramon - 30 Mar 2020 2:13 AM +x inala brah - 29 Mar 2020 9:42 AM +x Razor Ramon - 28 Mar 2020 9:34 PM +x General Ashnak - 27 Mar 2020 3:16 PM We need Fox to pull the pin to speed up the process of reform. Still the game is beholden to the whims of Fox Sports and the ridiculous level of control they have over the entirety of the game. well I hope your happy now mate. That 57 million a year deal for 10 A-league clubs and socceroos world cup games wasnt a bad deal to be honest. If Foxtel does tear the deal up, good luck finding anyone thats willing to play 20-30 million a year for the A-league and Socceroos games. You think Channel 7 will offer a good deal for the A-league? Keep dreaming. Optus is the only hope now. pretty much everyone involved in the game was expecting it to be closer to $80 million a year at the time. the lowy ffa fucked up the negotiations. it will be interesting what the new club run league will be able to do in negotiations. i expect they will have a bigger picture in mind and wont be limiting themselves to australia's limited cable network operators. streaming is definitely the pathway forward. and when you look at who offers streaming there becomes a lot more opportunity than optus, fox, and the handful of traditional tv channels. i could see a streaming service like stan licking its lips at the chance to pick up discount sports to fill out their content. i think we will lose some money, but i dont think it will bottom out because there are services and channels which would jump on it at a certain price. LOL. There was no way in hell they were going to get 80 million a year. FFA would of been lucky to get 60 million. 57.6 million for 6 years was good mainly for stabiltly. Again..... 60 million would of meant 6 million for each of the 10 clubs, now it would of been 5 million for 12 clubs. I was hoping The A-league would of followed the NBA. The NBA is a different beat though. They get some money from Free to Air Networks, A lot of money from Cable/Satelite/Subscription TV networks. They also make money on NBA TV. Considering there 30 basketball teams and those sides play 82 games in 5-6 months. You see 4-6 games played every day. Its mental. Have a mate that subscribes to NBA tv to watch the LA lakers games. Hence the AFL have followed the footsteps of the NBA and other American sports in equality: Draft picks, Salary cap. Now the AFL is trying to create other revenue streams in paying people to watch live games from the AFL website. Streaming could be the way to go. Then Again When it comes to the round ball game and other sports, money has come from various sources. in the 1980s and pre 1980s, Your teams main source of cash was ticket sales and selling merchandise such as shirts and hats and scarfes. in the 1990s, TV money slowly came into it. But ticket sales and merchandise had a slice of the pie too. From 2000 onwards, TV money has taken a stranglehold on sports. Looking at Bournemouth FC. 10 Years ago, they were struggling in the lower leagues. Now they are in the EPL with 80-90 percent of their cash comes from tv Rights EPL money. $80 million was the common figure being talked about. It was considered sensible. A lot of people were expecting more. I could literally drop 100 links referencing it. Anyone discussing at the time would remember. Pretty much everyone was shocked with the relatively dismal amount lowy FFA came through with. "At about $58 million per year the deal is a record for the sport in Australia, but so far falls short of the $80 million annual figure FFA had previously said it was targeting for the rights, double the amount Fox Sports and SBS now pay in cash and contra." https://www.afr.com/companies/sport/soccer-strikes-record-346m-tv-deal-20161220-gteq5r You're right, they were targetting $80 mill, but on the ratings trends we've observed over the last three years, it is a miracle they got nearly $60 mill per annum. Another interesting point, the previous $40 mill per annum deal included SBS paying $7 mill a year to broadcast one game per round. It's now pretty clear that Lowy snr strongarmed the government broadcaster into paying overs for that one game. We know it's overs because no other FTA has wanted to pay a single cent for it since. All in all, that we wrangled nearly $60 mill out of Fox, when there was no other bidder (don't forget, Optus expressed zero interest when they had the chance) was nothing short of a miracle. you are correct..... 60 million a year for 6 years wasnt a bad deal. You could understand why Foxtel paid 33 million a year for the 2013-17 rights. It was mainly because they felt sorry on the last FFA deal from 2006-13 which was like only 16-17 million a year. That 2013-17 deal was a decent deal. Foxtel paid 33 million a year, SBS paid 7 million a year so that was 40 million a year. Plus the FFA paid 3 million a year advertising the A-league and Socceroos product. 3 million wasnt a lot but at least the FFA spent money on Advertising
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Razor Ramon	Razor Ramon Posted 5 Years Ago #2892411
Rising Star Group: Forum Members Posts: 886, Visits: 0	+x CS - 31 Mar 2020 10:46 AM The Covid-19 crisis may be the end of the road for Fox Sports. They were already in deep trouble before this. funny how the system has changed...... Back in 1995 or around the mid 1990s, foxtel comes to Australia. Started small.... It didnt get the major sports at 1st. It eventually got the AFL and NRL in the early 2000s. Then eventually got the AFL and NRL rights to every single game and paid a premium for it. Foxtel was making money at one point in history, it had a lot of channels and content unlike the Free to air networks of 7,9,10. It wasnt a bad deal paying $20-$40 a month for the basic package of like 15-20 channels. Then you had to pay $100 for the package including sports, entertainment, movies etc. I remembered at one point they offered $50 a month for the basic and sports channels. Not everyone is willing to pay for Foxtel cable. Whats the population of Australia? 25 million? Imagine if 1 million people subscribe fo Foxtels basic package and sports package at $50 a month? thats $50 million a month or $600 million a year in subscription money. or if its 2 million subscribers with the basic package and sports. Thats $100 million a month or $1.2billion a year. It wasnt a bad model at 1st. Hence why Foxtel always handed out 5-6 year deals to the AFL and NRL. Again, theres only 25 million Australians and you can only extract so much money from a small population
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Razor Ramon	Razor Ramon Posted 5 Years Ago #2892413
Rising Star Group: Forum Members Posts: 886, Visits: 0	+x karta - 31 Mar 2020 12:20 PM A-League on Optus Sport seems like a fait accompli now. +x inala brah - 30 Mar 2020 11:51 PM pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them. Fox definitely has form in this kind of thing. If the A-League is set back 3-5 years as others have said, it's still 'better' than the 20+ years they set back the NRL. Foxtels model is a strange beast. 10 years ago, you would watch foxtel on your TV only and had to pay $100 for the installation on the box.... Nows its on your ipad or laptop to watch.... Can The Hyundai A-league help optus? Again, Imagine if they can lure 100,000 suscribers at $50 a month? that is 5 million a month or 60 million a year or 30 million for 6 months of the A-league. It reminds me of the NBA with NBA TV. The NBA has its own streaming service on the website
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jatz	jatz Posted 5 Years Ago #2892415
Hacker Group: Forum Members Posts: 361, Visits: 0	+x Razor Ramon - 4 Apr 2020 12:47 AM +x karta - 31 Mar 2020 12:20 PM A-League on Optus Sport seems like a fait accompli now. +x inala brah - 30 Mar 2020 11:51 PM pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them. Fox definitely has form in this kind of thing. If the A-League is set back 3-5 years as others have said, it's still 'better' than the 20+ years they set back the NRL. Foxtels model is a strange beast. 10 years ago, you would watch foxtel on your TV only and had to pay $100 for the installation on the box.... Nows its on your ipad or laptop to watch.... Can The Hyundai A-league help optus? Again, Imagine if they can lure 100,000 suscribers at $50 a month? that is 5 million a month or 60 million a year or 30 million for 6 months of the A-league. It reminds me of the NBA with NBA TV. The NBA has its own streaming service on the website I dont really understand this. IF A league can pull 100k viewers, and the plans pull 60 million a year. Thats total revenue, to Optus. How much could the FFA expect to see of that, if Optus is their only real bidder? 10%? Or do you mean that people pay $50 month to stream the A league on Optus? Because thats not happening.
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ErogenousZone	ErogenousZone Posted 5 Years Ago #2892440
Pro Group: Forum Members Posts: 4.6K, Visits: 0	+x Razor Ramon - 4 Apr 2020 12:47 AM +x karta - 31 Mar 2020 12:20 PM A-League on Optus Sport seems like a fait accompli now. +x inala brah - 30 Mar 2020 11:51 PM pretty shitty thing for foxtel to drop on the league. using the virus as an excuse to get out of the contract. fuck them. Fox definitely has form in this kind of thing. If the A-League is set back 3-5 years as others have said, it's still 'better' than the 20+ years they set back the NRL. Foxtels model is a strange beast. 10 years ago, you would watch foxtel on your TV only and had to pay $100 for the installation on the box.... Nows its on your ipad or laptop to watch.... Can The Hyundai A-league help optus? Again, Imagine if they can lure 100,000 suscribers at $50 a month? that is 5 million a month or 60 million a year or 30 million for 6 months of the A-league. It reminds me of the NBA with NBA TV. The NBA has its own streaming service on the website In recent years an interesting saying has popped up in media & advertising circles that "every brand shoud be it's own media company" which is essentially saying that you can control the direction & exposure of your product more directly by broadcasting it yourself. Something for the FFA to think about. If like Scotty from Marketing is talking about that this lockdown bullshit is going to go on for months then the day after it ends things aren't going to go back to normal because by the time that happens there isn't going to be anything left to be able to restart the league in a normal manner. Perhaps they should consider broadcasting things themselves when this is all over. What is a certainty that the previous sticking out the begging bowl for TV money to fund the governing body & clubs operations is finished.
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