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+x+x+xhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums. As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria. With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season. The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario). play the games in regional victoria? Geelong, Ballarat, Warrnambool, Shepparton, Morwell, Bendigo That's actually quite a good idea. Much better than sending them interstate, that's for sure. The logistics involved will probably be in the "too hard" basket for this league, though. Why? They've played games in those towns before. I also wonder what it means for WU's home ground situation. Before they looked set on moving to Melbourne (I presume Whitten Oval was the front-runner), but now they may choose to stay in Kardinia Park if they can have crowds in Geelong (they certainly won't have any issue with capacity restrictions there).
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df1982
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+x+xDon't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds). The Wellington to Perth trip is one of the longest trips in world football and crosses a number of time zones. It would be more likely that Wellington would be included with the NSW teams and Brisbane would be included with the Vic/SA/WA grouping. But but but... distance derby! I get what you're saying, but for a start I think Brisbane would prefer to play NSW teams more, and secondly Wellington-Perth is just one fixture. The rest of the travelling would be a lot less with what I proposed.
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+x+xhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums. As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria. With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season. The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario). play the games in regional victoria? Geelong, Ballarat, Warrnambool, Shepparton, Morwell, Bendigo That's actually quite a good idea. Much better than sending them interstate, that's for sure. The logistics involved will probably be in the "too hard" basket for this league, though.
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+x+xWith teams playing each other 3 times it’s not a good idea to do that to the Melbourne teams imo. Agree that the lopsided draw needs to be eradicated asap and am also generally against metrics-oriented tinkering with the draw but with the reasonably high chance of Victorian teams having to play interstate or behind closed doors in the early part of next season I think it's a pretty reasonable call, and a nice change from blowing the derby load in round 1 as is the normal practice. But where do you draw the line? 12 teams means 22 rounds plus 4 games. Melbourne teams will be playing derbies. There is a chance Melbourne teams will play each other 3 times before they have played another team twice. Imo the teams you play 3 times should be in round 1-4. It means 3 derby matchups in Mel and Syd (6 derbies in 4 rounds) and it is probably the fairest way in an unfair league draw.
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+xhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums. As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria. With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season. The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario). play the games in regional victoria? Geelong, Ballarat, Warrnambool, Shepparton, Morwell, Bendigo
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+xWith teams playing each other 3 times it’s not a good idea to do that to the Melbourne teams imo. Agree that the lopsided draw needs to be eradicated asap and am also generally against metrics-oriented tinkering with the draw but with the reasonably high chance of Victorian teams having to play interstate or behind closed doors in the early part of next season I think it's a pretty reasonable call, and a nice change from blowing the derby load in round 1 as is the normal practice.
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With teams playing each other 3 times it’s not a good idea to do that to the Melbourne teams imo.
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums. As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria. With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide. Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season. The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario).
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+xDon't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds). The Wellington to Perth trip is one of the longest trips in world football and crosses a number of time zones. It would be more likely that Wellington would be included with the NSW teams and Brisbane would be included with the Vic/SA/WA grouping.
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+xDon't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds). Or 14 teams in the Near future and play 30 rounds, instead of 12 teams playing 26 rounds.
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+xDon't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds). That's not a bad way to go about it.
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df1982
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Don't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds).
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Did a quick prediction on what I thought the extra games over and above the 22 rodada might look like.
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| Team No | Name | Plays 3x | Plays 3x | Plays 3x | Plays 3x | | 1 | Perth | 2 | 11 | 4 | 7 | | 2 | Adelaide | 1 | 3 | 9 | 11 | | 3 | Western United | 4 | 5 | 2 | 12 | | 4 | Melbourne City | 3 | 5 | 1 | 10 | | 5 | Melbourne Victory | 3 | 4 | 8 | 7 | | 6 | Macarthur | 7 | 8 | 9 | 12 | | 7 | Wanderers | 6 | 8 | 5 | 1 | | 8 | Sydney | 6 | 7 | 5 | 9 | | 9 | Mariners | 10 | 6 | 2 | 8 | | 10 | Newcastle | 9 | 12 | 11 | 4 | | 11 | Brisbane | 1 | 12 | 10 | 2 | | 12 | Wellington | 11 | 9 | 3 | 6 |
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+x+xI'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo People would have whinged no matter what date they chose. Less people will be travelling this year and those days between boxing day and NYE are as good as any to get out for a game (if we're even allowed) or to watch on tv with a food and/or actual hangover. I have just come back from two weeks holiday on the NSW far north coast and there are people everywhere on holidays all up and down the coast. I think there is going to be a huge amount of people travelling/holidaying (within limits) this Christmas/NY period given the year we have had.
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+xGenerally speaking, by the 27th, a lot of the compulsory family stuff is out of the way. With the covid cases announced by Victoria (today 2 cases only) ellimination close everywhere else, I would say stadiums will be open to spectators everywhere by 27th Dec.
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Generally speaking, by the 27th, a lot of the compulsory family stuff is out of the way.
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+xI'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo Interestingly that week often gets a bump in attendances. It depends on who the home teams are. Some years there has been a 30-50% jump in attendances compared to the week or two before other times it is the same or even slightly lower.
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+xI'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo Foxtel money. No other reason. This is the window they have given us for the 32 million.
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+xI'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo I would say it’s probably the latest date they could start this season and fit it in to the window of the tv broadcast contract and late enough that fans might be allowed in and borders opened. I don’t think anyone sat down and said “wouldn’t it be great if we started at Christmas” rather it’s just a combination of circumstances that make unusual decisions necessary.
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+xI'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo People would have whinged no matter what date they chose. Less people will be travelling this year and those days between boxing day and NYE are as good as any to get out for a game (if we're even allowed) or to watch on tv with a food and/or actual hangover.
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I'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo
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+xFFA Cup from Jul to November - allowing for a smaller window before a winter re-alignment in 2022. FFA CEO, James Johnson, is believed to be among those keen on adopting a group stage to the early phase of the Cup, offering more games for both A-League and NPL clubs. An open draw is also under consideration, which would do away with the current situation whereby at least one NPL club is guaranteed a spot in the semi-finals. The Cup was kept out of the one-year extended broadcast deal with Fox Sports, perhaps to be used as a testing ground for a proposed digital hub, run by the game itself. FFA is also keen to offer a half spot into the Asian Champions League for the winners of the Cup, while the alignment of the football calendar to winter would continue to offer it some "clear air," with the early rounds to commence in July, and continuing through until the final around November.FFA is believed to be keen on the final becoming the last game of the calendar year, as is the case with most European knockout competitions. Extract from https://sport.optus.com.au/articles/os13834/football-federation-australia-name-change-a-catalyst-to-connect-with-our-football-past?setDevice=mobile I really like that idea. Great work
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+x+x+x+x+xYeah, lots of questions. The AFC requires minimum season length of 27 games, and they can get away with 26 with the guaranteed FFA Cup fixture for all clubs, but it reeks of just doing the bare minimum. 27 rounds would at least let you do 2.5 round robins (with a geographical split to maximise the number of derbies). 26 rounds is a double round-robin plus a random 4 extra matches. Ending early to avoid the Olympics also sounds like the old attitude of trying to evade clashes with other events rather than having enough confidence in your own product to worry about its quality first and foremost. The smart thing would have been to do a January-September season, with 33 rounds + finals. That way you end up being aligned with the NPL, and you can have an FFA Cup tournament for the Round of 32 onwards in October. Then a break for a February/March start in 2022. But apparently the Foxtel contract requires them to finish by July 31. Which begs the question: why sign such a restrictive contract, when we still had no idea what Covid would have in store? As it is there's no guarantee Victoria will have fans in stadiums by Christmas, or that NZ will allow quarantine-free movement for Wellington players. It’s so the a league olyroos can play in the Olympics Would very much doubt there will be olympics next year , the rest off the world is getting hit far harder with second wave than the first. They might do the Olympics with no foreign fans. Just Japanese supporters. And athletes quarantined at home and then again in Japan, with no mingling between nations until competition begins. Heavy restrictions in the athlete’s village on mixing. It could be done. The World needs to start living with this bastard virus and keeping sport going, albeit with heavy restrictions, is becomingly increasingly necessary for all the related businesses (the pie and beer sellers) and people’s mental health, needing something to be enthusiastic about, if only on the tv. The athletes can’t have sex with each other then which will be a challenge Victoria offering its security guards as a compromise.
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+x+x+x+xYeah, lots of questions. The AFC requires minimum season length of 27 games, and they can get away with 26 with the guaranteed FFA Cup fixture for all clubs, but it reeks of just doing the bare minimum. 27 rounds would at least let you do 2.5 round robins (with a geographical split to maximise the number of derbies). 26 rounds is a double round-robin plus a random 4 extra matches. Ending early to avoid the Olympics also sounds like the old attitude of trying to evade clashes with other events rather than having enough confidence in your own product to worry about its quality first and foremost. The smart thing would have been to do a January-September season, with 33 rounds + finals. That way you end up being aligned with the NPL, and you can have an FFA Cup tournament for the Round of 32 onwards in October. Then a break for a February/March start in 2022. But apparently the Foxtel contract requires them to finish by July 31. Which begs the question: why sign such a restrictive contract, when we still had no idea what Covid would have in store? As it is there's no guarantee Victoria will have fans in stadiums by Christmas, or that NZ will allow quarantine-free movement for Wellington players. It’s so the a league olyroos can play in the Olympics Would very much doubt there will be olympics next year , the rest off the world is getting hit far harder with second wave than the first. They might do the Olympics with no foreign fans. Just Japanese supporters. And athletes quarantined at home and then again in Japan, with no mingling between nations until competition begins. Heavy restrictions in the athlete’s village on mixing. It could be done. The World needs to start living with this bastard virus and keeping sport going, albeit with heavy restrictions, is becomingly increasingly necessary for all the related businesses (the pie and beer sellers) and people’s mental health, needing something to be enthusiastic about, if only on the tv. Great post problem solver Harry.
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+xUgh ! Some one at FFA was NOT THINKING !! What a awful AWFUL time to to start the season :( What an AWFUL UNTHINKING and UNHELPFUL comment.
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+x+x+xAND with 12 teams why only just 26 rounds Can't F.F.A count? ?! 12 teams home and away is 22 rounds isn't it? What are the other 4 matches? For MV I bet the 4 additional matches will be 2 derbies, 1 big blue and then either a game against AU or perhaps WSW. All about the metrics baby!! With Lowy gone I’m glad we’ve gone away from the plastic......oh wait!!!!! LOL
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+x+x+x+x+x+xYeah, lots of questions. The AFC requires minimum season length of 27 games, and they can get away with 26 with the guaranteed FFA Cup fixture for all clubs, but it reeks of just doing the bare minimum. 27 rounds would at least let you do 2.5 round robins (with a geographical split to maximise the number of derbies). 26 rounds is a double round-robin plus a random 4 extra matches. Ending early to avoid the Olympics also sounds like the old attitude of trying to evade clashes with other events rather than having enough confidence in your own product to worry about its quality first and foremost. The smart thing would have been to do a January-September season, with 33 rounds + finals. That way you end up being aligned with the NPL, and you can have an FFA Cup tournament for the Round of 32 onwards in October. Then a break for a February/March start in 2022. But apparently the Foxtel contract requires them to finish by July 31. Which begs the question: why sign such a restrictive contract, when we still had no idea what Covid would have in store? As it is there's no guarantee Victoria will have fans in stadiums by Christmas, or that NZ will allow quarantine-free movement for Wellington players. It’s so the a league olyroos can play in the Olympics Would very much doubt there will be olympics next year , the rest off the world is getting hit far harder with second wave than the first. True, at this point, I have trouble seeing the OLympics going ahead. What kind of government would willingly allow thousands of people to flood in from the most infected parts of the world? You'd have to be the dumbest leader on earth. You certainly wouldn’t let foreign fans in but athletes, who quarantine before and after arrival, could be managed. And with less hangers on, eg politicians etc. According to Wikipedia, Japan stands to lose US $41,500,000,000 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Summer_Olympics#Postponement_to_2021 ) if they don't host it. I'd say they'd be willing to take the hit of no foreign tourism in order to at least recoup some of their costs with local attendance and advertising/TV hosting. Yep. They'd have the script ready to go right now for the moment when they say: no.
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+x+x+x+x+xI don't know why they didn't simply just make it a home and away 22 round season since it's been such a fucked up year. It would finish in time without the need of midweek games, and although a short season it'll atleast be a fair draw. Too short a season. Top fella this JJ Im beginning to agree with you on this... JJ is Biden to Gallop's Trump. Enough with the political comparisons. This is a football forum, not a chance for frustrated politicians to vent. More an analogy of universal uselessness than a political commentary but OK, point taken.
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+x+x+x+x+xYeah, lots of questions. The AFC requires minimum season length of 27 games, and they can get away with 26 with the guaranteed FFA Cup fixture for all clubs, but it reeks of just doing the bare minimum. 27 rounds would at least let you do 2.5 round robins (with a geographical split to maximise the number of derbies). 26 rounds is a double round-robin plus a random 4 extra matches. Ending early to avoid the Olympics also sounds like the old attitude of trying to evade clashes with other events rather than having enough confidence in your own product to worry about its quality first and foremost. The smart thing would have been to do a January-September season, with 33 rounds + finals. That way you end up being aligned with the NPL, and you can have an FFA Cup tournament for the Round of 32 onwards in October. Then a break for a February/March start in 2022. But apparently the Foxtel contract requires them to finish by July 31. Which begs the question: why sign such a restrictive contract, when we still had no idea what Covid would have in store? As it is there's no guarantee Victoria will have fans in stadiums by Christmas, or that NZ will allow quarantine-free movement for Wellington players. It’s so the a league olyroos can play in the Olympics Would very much doubt there will be olympics next year , the rest off the world is getting hit far harder with second wave than the first. True, at this point, I have trouble seeing the OLympics going ahead. What kind of government would willingly allow thousands of people to flood in from the most infected parts of the world? You'd have to be the dumbest leader on earth. You certainly wouldn’t let foreign fans in but athletes, who quarantine before and after arrival, could be managed. And with less hangers on, eg politicians etc. According to Wikipedia, Japan stands to lose US $41,500,000,000 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Summer_Olympics#Postponement_to_2021 ) if they don't host it. I'd say they'd be willing to take the hit of no foreign tourism in order to at least recoup some of their costs with local attendance and advertising/TV hosting.
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