A-League to start Dec 27


A-League to start Dec 27

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CHEP - 16 Oct 2020 12:24 PM
I'd love to know the strategy behind starting the competition during what is probably the number one week of the year for a significant number of people to be out of routine/away/occupied and just generally unavailable to watch and/or attend an A-League game. At a time where eyeballs and bums on seats are more crucial than ever, this is a very questionable decision imo

Interestingly that week often gets a bump in attendances.  It depends on who the home teams are.  Some years there has been a 30-50% jump in attendances compared to the week or two before other times it is the same or even slightly lower.  
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Generally speaking, by the 27th, a lot of the compulsory family stuff is out of the way.

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bettega - 16 Oct 2020 2:33 PM
Generally speaking, by the 27th, a lot of the compulsory family stuff is out of the way.

With the covid cases announced by Victoria (today 2 cases only) ellimination close everywhere else, I would say stadiums will be open to spectators everywhere by 27th Dec.
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Davide82 - 16 Oct 2020 1:41 PM
CHEP - 16 Oct 2020 12:24 PM

People would have whinged no matter what date they chose.

Less people will be travelling this year and those days between boxing day and NYE are as good as any to get out for a game (if we're even allowed) or to watch on tv with a food and/or actual hangover.



I have just come back from two weeks holiday on the NSW far north coast and there are people everywhere on holidays all up and down the coast. I think there is going to be a huge amount of people travelling/holidaying (within limits) this Christmas/NY period given the year we have had.
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Team NoNamePlays 3xPlays 3xPlays 3xPlays 3x
1Perth21147
2Adelaide13911
3Western United45212
4Melbourne City35110
5Melbourne Victory3487
6Macarthur78912
7Wanderers6851
8Sydney6759
9Mariners10628
10Newcastle912114
11Brisbane112102
12Wellington11936

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Did a quick prediction on what I thought the extra games over and above the 22 rodada might look like.
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Don't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds).
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df1982 - 18 Oct 2020 10:06 AM
Don't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds).

That's not a bad way to go about it.

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df1982 - 18 Oct 2020 10:06 AM
Don't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds).

Or 14 teams in the Near future and play 30 rounds, instead of 12 teams playing 26 rounds.
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df1982 - 18 Oct 2020 10:06 AM
Don't know why they couldn't have just gone to 27 rounds and have the NSW/QLD clubs play each other a third time and the VIC/SA/WA/NZ clubs do the same. Would have ensured three derbies in Sydney and Melbourne, kept travel costs pretty low and made a lot more sense than a random four extra rounds. Hopefully this is the last season with such nonsense and in 2022 they go to a full triple round-robin again (33 rounds).

The Wellington to Perth trip is one of the longest trips in world football and crosses a number of time zones. 
It would be more likely that Wellington would be included with the NSW teams and Brisbane would be included with the Vic/SA/WA grouping.
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https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43

A-League: Victorian derbies being saved for later in the season


VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums.
As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria.
With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide.
Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season.


The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario).

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With teams playing each other 3 times it’s not a good idea to do that to the Melbourne teams imo.





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scott20won - 19 Oct 2020 8:50 PM
With teams playing each other 3 times it’s not a good idea to do that to the Melbourne teams imo.





Agree that the lopsided draw needs to be eradicated asap and am also generally against metrics-oriented tinkering with the draw but with the reasonably high chance of Victorian teams having to play interstate or behind closed doors in the early part of next season I think it's a pretty reasonable call, and a nice change from blowing the derby load in round 1 as is the normal practice.
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bettega - 19 Oct 2020 8:31 PM
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/football/aleague-victorian-derbies-being-saved-for-later-in-the-season/news-story/0839b9c390f0f240ff86b2bca3669e43

A-League: Victorian derbies being saved for later in the season


VICTORIA could be starved of matches in the early stages of the A-League season to avoid games being played in near-empty stadiums.
As the majority of A-League clubs return to training ahead of the December 27 season start, Football Federation Australia is playing a waiting game with confirmation of fixtures due to different COVID-19-enforced restrictions in each state.One scenario that Melbourne City, Melbourne Victory and Western United are bracing themselves for is having to play several away games in the opening weeks of the season due to severe restrictions on crowd numbers in Victoria.
With more people allowed to watch games in the rest of Australia, City, Victory and United face several weeks on the road.And while they hope to be able return to Victoria after each match, City, Victory and United may have to travel back and forth on the days of games when flying in and out of Brisbane, Sydney and Adelaide.
Playing a host of away games early would ensure all the Victorian derbies involving City, Victory and United would be contested in front of bigger crowds later in the season.


The Victorian situation is improving, some restrictions lifted, but there is still a lot of uncertainty, especially around big crowds and interstate travel, so I would think that the Dec 27 start date would see at least a tiny bit of displacement (in the best case scenario).

play the games in regional victoria?

Geelong, Ballarat, Warrnambool, Shepparton, Morwell, Bendigo
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paladisious - 19 Oct 2020 10:00 PM
scott20won - 19 Oct 2020 8:50 PM

Agree that the lopsided draw needs to be eradicated asap and am also generally against metrics-oriented tinkering with the draw but with the reasonably high chance of Victorian teams having to play interstate or behind closed doors in the early part of next season I think it's a pretty reasonable call, and a nice change from blowing the derby load in round 1 as is the normal practice.

But where do you draw the line?
12 teams means 22 rounds plus 4 games. Melbourne teams will be playing derbies.

There is a chance Melbourne teams will play each other 3 times before they have played another team twice.

Imo the teams you play 3 times should be in round 1-4. It means 3 derby matchups in Mel and Syd (6 derbies in 4 rounds) and it is probably the fairest way in an unfair league draw.
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jasongenova - 19 Oct 2020 10:00 PM
bettega - 19 Oct 2020 8:31 PM

play the games in regional victoria?

Geelong, Ballarat, Warrnambool, Shepparton, Morwell, Bendigo

That's actually quite a good idea. Much better than sending them interstate, that's for sure.

The logistics involved will probably be in the "too hard" basket for this league, though.
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MarkfromCroydon - 18 Oct 2020 1:31 PM
df1982 - 18 Oct 2020 10:06 AM

The Wellington to Perth trip is one of the longest trips in world football and crosses a number of time zones. 
It would be more likely that Wellington would be included with the NSW teams and Brisbane would be included with the Vic/SA/WA grouping.

But but but... distance derby!

I get what you're saying, but for a start I think Brisbane would prefer to play NSW teams more, and secondly Wellington-Perth is just one fixture. The rest of the travelling would be a lot less with what I proposed.
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paladisious - 19 Oct 2020 10:08 PM
jasongenova - 19 Oct 2020 10:00 PM

That's actually quite a good idea. Much better than sending them interstate, that's for sure.

The logistics involved will probably be in the "too hard" basket for this league, though.

Why? They've played games in those towns before.

I also wonder what it means for WU's home ground situation. Before they looked set on moving to Melbourne (I presume Whitten Oval was the front-runner), but now they may choose to stay in Kardinia Park if they can have crowds in Geelong (they certainly won't have any issue with capacity restrictions there).
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