ahh good ol bigtech blocking all australian news links

Aus media want to use facebook to promote their business/sell ads/get customer reach with clicks to their site - then they want facebook to pay when they post links to their site? It's not like facebook is stealing their content and re-using as their own.

Also, since when was it a liberal policy to get involved in the free market at the behest of corporations?

I hope facebook can reinstate the pages that have unfairly been pulled, but this is on Murdoch and the liberals. 

Conveniently overlooking that Labour fully supported the governments move in parliament.  No external source should bully Australia or dictate what laws it passes. 

Labor are in opposition. Liberals are negotiating. 

They need Labor to pass the legislation. Labor could easily pull up stumps and refuse but it has not. Correctly, it fully supports it instead. 

Ok. The liberals poor negotiable skills at the behest of Rupert Murdoch is the fault of the opposition party. 

Labor has zero credibility when negotiating national issues with overseas interests unless there is an ideological  comparison. Interesting, Facebook has banned the state Liberals but not Labor in the middle of WA elections. I’m sure Anthony (Elma Fudd) Albanese won’t see what’s wrong with this.

Mate you are being idiotic.  As usual.  The libs are in power.  Stop blaming labour 'leftards' for something the libs have negotiated.  Yes Labour went along with it but the Libs are in the driving seat doing the negotiating.  Labour is in the back seat.

The government can’t get anything through to make it law unless it has the support of the opposition. So a bipartisanship approach is required and to achieve this there has to be consultation particularly on issues of national importance.  Supporting the government’s actions is the end result of that process. Suggesting Labor has no input or implying they are simply standing idle in the background twiddling their thumbs, is what is idiotic. 

Uh huh.  Jog on.

Pretty much the same as conservatives crowing on about free speech. Only when it suits them.

Not a fan of Facebook and Google's bully boy tactics though.

It’s amazing how the liberals suddenly care about misinformation on Facebook 

It's a game of chicken.  Google caved. Let's see what happens to facebook.  

facebook blocked every news page you can access in australia.

I cant even see BBC, MSNBC, CNN, Sky News and all other international news links

so if you want local and international news, you can't get em though facebook

Also stopped government emergency sites, Covid alerts, weather etc. 

Throwing the world's biggest tantrum.  Fuck you Zuckerburg.

If the byproduct of this is Australians go to news sites to get news then that's good.

Putting billions into the pockets of cunce that don't pay tax here is a good thing.

100% people should get their news from a reliable source. 

Not only that I heard that they've taken BOM off facebook as well as the pages.  Well then people will go directly to those websites and their traffic will go up and eyeballs on their pages, with their ads, will help fund their activities.

When a privately owned company like facebook, responsible to no one but their shareholders, has more money and influence than dozens of countries around the world that is not a good thing.  

And another benefit of this is forums such as this one could become popular again.  They're far superior in every way.

What this does highlight is how easy it was to stop hate speech on their platform, which they failed to do

Massive own goal by Murdoch and his government, and I couldn't have less sympathy. Facebook proved that MSM needs them much more than the other way around. If today is the day that Australians stop getting their news on Facebook then today is a good day. My only worry is that nutjob sites like infowars and Avi Yemeni and shit still get to cut through, but hopefully it'll be a change across the board. I do feel sorry for niche and independent sources like FTBL or say Michael West Media got caught up in this too though as they didn't ask for any of this, but it's clearly all Scomo and Rupert's fault, so perhaps they'll come to a compromise.

Sorry but I like this Avi Yemini fellow.

What i dont like is far left nutjobs pushing socialist ideologies.

We can agree to disagree.

The tragedy of all of this is The Beetoota, The Shovel, The Chaser and other satirical sites got pulled as well.  (I mean in some ways they should be pleased to be classified as 'news'.)

But as I said earlier it takes about 2 seconds to type their name in the search bar and bookmark them.  More eyes on their pages, more ad revenue to them.

I have absolutely no issue with what Facebook has done. If I had a website and you want me to pay you for someone else putting your content on there? Get fucked see you later.

I was listening to the Shim Spider and so much Moore podcast this week and Simon Hill was trying to say you should need ID and a photo to use social media. Simon Hill, mate, no one will use it. You wont have any honest discourse and the conversation will move to the dark web.

What if somebody copied your work holus bolus from your website and published it elsewhere so they read it there instead of on your website and you were uncredited, dudded ad revenue and denied monetary compensation?

they're not a publisher, they're not responsible for what people post which is why all TOS is bullshit they should not be banning anyone!

That wasn't the question.

Theft is theft.

yes, but it's not their liability it is the individual who posted it you go after

I see what you're saying but to me it's like this.  You create an artwork.  I take that artwork and put it in my art gallery then charge people to see it.  That ain't right.

Posted this in ET but copied here ===>  It's comparable to blokes here copying articles in full and posting them here.  There's an unwritten rule on 442 that you post the link and maybe the first paragraph?  Why?  Because the clicks help the author produce more content.  Posting the full article means no clicks, no eyes on the original work, no credit and no ad revenue.  

So you're going after the building trust/management rather than the art gallery/promotion it self this doesn't seem to be a fair response and which is why TOS should not exist on us based platforms because a platform should not be editorial control of other peoples content as what was intended use of the US Section 230 c of the communication decency act.

You aren't going to stop that, this very forum I see not just the article link from other football websites posted, but people copy paste the entire text contents from the page they are linking also.

What are you going to do? Ban the copy paste function from all search browsers? You can't stop that from happening in fact you still can't on Facebook because you can just use tiny url or bitly links to get around the issue. I could find a way to post a news article there in 5 minutes it isn't going to stop.

Maybe if the government sunk billions in subsidising tech companies to build our own platforms instead of subsidising dying industries Australia could be making absolute bank like America is via these websites. The biggest companies on the world build technology and information platforms of the future. You can't even get government help for making video games these days yet they are so profitable overseas but our entire AAA industry died in this country under the liberals, they are so out of touch with how to make money from the internet it's laughable. Dinosaurs are running this country. It's like they aren't aware I can get Australian news from non Australian sources. People in here are absolutely desperate from some quazi 1984 reality like that's something to aspire to.

(1) I do believe that's the intent of the legislation.

(2) Yes you can.  I'm on other forums where they automatically truncate other site's articles. 

That isn't what happens. The news organizations pay for it to be available of Facebook to  generate traffic on their own sites. This is purely an argument between two American billionaires that our Government should be staying right out of. This is another case of our politicians bending over backwards to help Murdoch out. 

Or 7, 9 and 10 who have been pushing just as hard. Murdoch doesn’t have the viewership of FTA so has the most lose. 

Love how the Lefties like this Globalization thing where foreign external sources that match their ideology sits well. They have the hide to point the finger when the government and opposition collaboratively put the national interests first. Yes the government led the way and has been assessing the problem for a long time, but the hypocrisy is beyond belief.

Which Liberal Party electorate do you represent again?

He's so tiresome.  It's like he believes no one can have a nuanced opinion on anything.  I'd hate to get stuck talking to him at a BBQ.  You'd just get harangued until you could make your excuses and leave. 

Spot on. These types are so grating. 

Anyone who brings up left or right immediately in any conversation falls straight into the unintelligent discourse in my book. Trying to claim the internet... A global product by its very nature and the point of its existence is somehow left wing is beyond me. Is entire sky right wing? What  absolute nonsense. Facebook make a product they sell it to a foreign country, foreign country interfears with their product so pull part of their support. That's how capitalism works, it's a free market. Liberals want them to pay so they refuse to. No the libs have nothing. Pretty basic. It was always going to end up this way and I started laughing when the liberals first announced it and thought it would work.

Yep!!! 100%!!!

So Facebook bans WA liberals but not WA labour, but that’s not being left hey? Just look who initially raised the politics in the second post, not me but I did respond and like a good lefty you want one side to keep quiet. When communications are controlled to consistently favour one side of politics, it is serious to our democracy. Lefties and big tech go hand in hand.

They also banned a children's cancer page and NSW fire and rescue.  Are they 'lefty' causes.  What the fuck is wrong with you?  They've taken a giant scattergun approach and this is what's happened.  Scomo's page is still up BTW..

Don’t worry, they know how to target politics. There was no scattergun approach in WA which coincidentally almost always seems to favours the Left as the Republicans have found out in the USA. Big tech has become a cancer to Democracy.

Yep Trump is a massive loss to world democracy 😓
You really should invest more of your time in political forums rather than football forums 

Also, it just goes to show nobody reads more than headlines. Essentially, to read the full article that's posted on facebook you need to click and it then are sent to the publisher's site. 

In the main I'd say that's modern journalism's own fault for being shit.

That's rather trite.  There's plenty of good journalism still out there.

Do you pay a subscription for news?

I'd say it's a combination of hardly anyone reading as much anymore, people not interested in complex ideas where they can't quickly pigeonhole something (see paulc), the dumbing down of society and general discourse and not being willing to pay for content.

Australia has in the last few years seen the most laziest journalism in living memory. Don’t look at facts, don’t follow through and don’t adequately research their subject matter. Not to mention how gutless they are to ask the tough questions when it matches their own ideology. The ABC is a perfect example.

Yep.  Guaranteed you don't pay a news sub.

Obviously I was utilising a bit of levity there. Sure there's great journos out there (some are in jail for it), but they're definitely drowned out by a sea of garbage, much of which in our country is from a few very powerful outlets.


I primarily use the ABC, which I happily contribute to with my taxes. Naturally they are far from perfect and have their own agenda (every outlet does). For example, coverage on this very issue has been quite biased in my view.


Yeah I'd pretty much agree with most of this paragraph, the irony is though that Murdoch's empire bares a lot of responsibility for these factors being put in play in the first place.

Imagine using facebook.

If you can't get it from facebook, go directly from the source!!!! Eg go directly to FTBL.

This could easily be fixed by extending  copyright to cover news related media.But then news media might have to pay individuals for using them in video and pictures.
Oh what a tangled web.
Who gets their ‘news’ from FB anyway?

If it was such an imposition these news outlets to have links to their articles shared on Facebook, then why did they all have buttons on all their articles asking their users to do just that? 🤔

FB and big tech in general need to be taught a lesson and we should start by banning FB in Australia.

Kids will cry for a week then realize how good it is without those vultures invading your life. 

Then the rest of the world needs to follow suite.

In a perfect world this 

Kids already don't use it. It seems to be mainly bloomers and gen-x that are still on it. The millennials don't even really use it and gen-z definitely doesn't care about facebook. 

Yep that's what I've seen too.
All my friends who have teenage kids don't have Facebook.
I deleted it because it was all just boomers yelling at 35 year old trolls winding them up

We wouldn't do that. ;)

haha and rightly so, I don't even have an account BUT interesting others here say kids/younger gen hardly use it I call BS.
My own 3, 27yrs 20 and 16yrs all have it and use as do countless of their friends incl Insta tik tok as mentioned - I'm sure the younger gen are still higher % users than boomers etc....
From my observations and listenning its all gens/trolls winding each other up, thank the lord I only get wound up in here :) couldn't fathom the time spent on all the other crap.

Well obviously some kids do use facebook
However of the 5 kids I know 11-15 years old, none have facebook.

It's all anecdotal but I feel like it's not as cool as it used to be, obviously nobody is saying nobody under 18 uses it

They all use Insta and Tik Tok or Snapchat and say things to me like "ergh imagine using facebook grandpa" and I'm only 38 aha

These are Australian stats from this time last year, but should be fairly similar to now.
13-17 - 3.8%
18-24 - 16.2%
25-34 - 26.6%
35-44 - 18.5%
45-54 - 14.5%
55-64 - 11%
65+ - 9.4%

In other words,
80% of users are over the age of 25
53.4% of FB users in Australia are over the age of 35
20% are under the age of 25.

so Gen  X mainly.