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christ the fact is Wimbledon goes back yonks to the 1800's, its not a new rivalry per say but a relocation to Milton Keys area in 03 that turned into adding AFC as you mention. 04 they re named themsleves MKDons. Its not new rivalry but change of names due to relocating, its not a good example imo for a point of argument.
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The rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago!
Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist.
To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league.
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+x+x+xI quite like this thread because it is focusses on Ange AND one of football’s greatest rivalries. I have grown to enjoy Scottish football this year (passion and style). Aside from having only been an occasional observer in previous seasons while watching or reading about the exploits of Mark Viduka, Craig Moore, Kevin Muscat or Tom Rogic, I have never really obsessed like I have this season about Scottish football. Some would call my support this season ‘plastic’ but I don’t care, I have had fun and appreciate Ange even more. He ain’t perfect or the best manager in the world but he is Australia’s best ever and now much more widely respected. I guess what has amused and at times annoyed me is the one-eyed bias and sometimes abject hatred that is like nothing else I have seen in football or other sports for that matter. There is no reason to it - i say this being reasonably well-read regarding the sectarian, economic, historical, social and cultural differences at play. Anyway, as a 52 year old man I wonder if any of the protagonists just get tired of the hate and/or can even acknowledge their own biases? Maybe or maybe not. There’s a well known phrase that politics is war by other means … so is Glasgow football it seems. TBF to our Scottish pals Harry ALL football globally is "war by other means" its not just a Glasgow thing... 'Gers v Celts is certainly a spicy meatball but you dont have to look very far to find dozens of other equally vitriolic rivalries... Aleague and I guess the MLS are really the only countries I can think of that do vanilla rivalries... On your "vanilla rivalries " in AU & the USA, it is only right to point out that National leagues in both countries never started until 1977 in AU and 1978 in the USA. So a long way behind the British for example who started national football leagues in the 1800's. Fair point .... 40 odd years is enough time to create a rivalry though? EVen 5 years, or 17 years that the Aleague hasbeen kicking around..... why wait for the marketing guys to tell you who to hate, cant these fans pick for themselves?
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+x+x+xI quite like this thread because it is focusses on Ange AND one of football’s greatest rivalries. I have grown to enjoy Scottish football this year (passion and style). Aside from having only been an occasional observer in previous seasons while watching or reading about the exploits of Mark Viduka, Craig Moore, Kevin Muscat or Tom Rogic, I have never really obsessed like I have this season about Scottish football. Some would call my support this season ‘plastic’ but I don’t care, I have had fun and appreciate Ange even more. He ain’t perfect or the best manager in the world but he is Australia’s best ever and now much more widely respected. I guess what has amused and at times annoyed me is the one-eyed bias and sometimes abject hatred that is like nothing else I have seen in football or other sports for that matter. There is no reason to it - i say this being reasonably well-read regarding the sectarian, economic, historical, social and cultural differences at play. Anyway, as a 52 year old man I wonder if any of the protagonists just get tired of the hate and/or can even acknowledge their own biases? Maybe or maybe not. There’s a well known phrase that politics is war by other means … so is Glasgow football it seems. TBF to our Scottish pals Harry ALL football globally is "war by other means" its not just a Glasgow thing... 'Gers v Celts is certainly a spicy meatball but you dont have to look very far to find dozens of other equally vitriolic rivalries... Aleague and I guess the MLS are really the only countries I can think of that do vanilla rivalries... Fair points MSC! I know some of the ultras in some places can be very nasty. But I question whether that passes a point of even being related to football. Anyway, yes, there are many downright nasty rivalries. While I would love Australian football to have more passion and more money and more mainstream media, I don’t regret the absence of this type of nastiness. And to be fair, some of the banter of Celtic and Rangers fans is funny and well intentioned and plenty of people have friends from the other side, so it isn’t all at the nasty and senseless end. Yeah I prefer the good natured stuff too Harry but in many parts of the world "football is life" Sadly some of these nastier ideologies that divide us in life have crept into football but wherever they are they have developed primarily through engagement with the club and fellow fans... Nowhere else in the world has the marketing dept of the federation said ... "right here is a new franchise in your town, as of tomorrow, they are your derby rivals ..... have at it lads....."
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+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon.
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+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. no need to swear huddo..... AFC Wimbledon is the carry over of Wimbledon as I'm sure you have looked up, the existing old W support followed in numbers so they are not new fans barring likely additions from the Milton Keys burb. So AFC Wimbledon already had their fan base from the Wimbledon times not much of plastication to me but thats the way I see it, you obviously not. + thanks on your reply Sutho.
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+x+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon. Whether correct or not, my personal view is that of AFC Wimbledon is the real Wimbledon, and not MK Dons.
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+x+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon. Real, or not is in this case a matter of perspective, my point still remains, where there was 1 club, there is now 2, and it was created though greed. Which then means the rivalry is built on that.
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+x+x+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon. Real, or not is in this case a matter of perspective, my point still remains, where there was 1 club, there is now 2, and it was created though greed. Which then means the rivalry is built on that. Fair point you make Huddo but it doesn't just "get a pass" because it happens in England like you say, it get a pass because it is a rivalry based on football. Fans felt like their club was taken from them and thus hate the new corporate plastic identity. Do you think the same would happen here if for example (sorry Im not trying to single you out) the CC Mariners were bought by a US mob and relocated to the Gold Coast?
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I think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts?
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? done ok a pass I guess.
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+x+x+x+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon. Real, or not is in this case a matter of perspective, my point still remains, where there was 1 club, there is now 2, and it was created though greed. Which then means the rivalry is built on that. Fair point you make Huddo but it doesn't just "get a pass" because it happens in England like you say, it get a pass because it is a rivalry based on football. Fans felt like their club was taken from them and thus hate the new corporate plastic identity. Do you think the same would happen here if for example (sorry Im not trying to single you out) the CC Mariners were bought by a US mob and relocated to the Gold Coast? Yes burn my jersey, and start going to CCU games, and that's my point old world or new, their time of a league doesn't matter, what matters is the emotion attached. Say it's made up, well AFC Vs MK is just as made up, but it doesn't mean emotion doesn't exist.
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+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"??
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+x+x+x+x+xThe rivalry is new per se, one of the clubs didnt even exist 20 years ago! Simple question, where was the club AFC Wimbledon 20 years ago? Nowhere, they didn't fucken exist. To add, the relocation could be seen as a form of Plastification, noting the reasons for relocation (this wasn't Newton Heath level), which means that the whole rivalry is a construct because of money. but because it's in the old leagues there is a level of acceptance not afforded to emerging league. The rivalry is because MK Dons took Wimbledon away from Wimbledon, hence the the AFC Wimbledon formed ( reformed ) by REAL Wimbledon supporters. Most football people look upon AFC Wimbledon as the REAL Wimbledon. Real, or not is in this case a matter of perspective, my point still remains, where there was 1 club, there is now 2, and it was created though greed. Which then means the rivalry is built on that. Fair point you make Huddo but it doesn't just "get a pass" because it happens in England like you say, it get a pass because it is a rivalry based on football. Fans felt like their club was taken from them and thus hate the new corporate plastic identity. Do you think the same would happen here if for example (sorry Im not trying to single you out) the CC Mariners were bought by a US mob and relocated to the Gold Coast? Yes burn my jersey, and start going to CCU games, and that's my point old world or new, their time of a league doesn't matter, what matters is the emotion attached. Say it's made up, well AFC Vs MK is just as made up, but it doesn't mean emotion doesn't exist. A pint coming your way (or whatever else is your poison) that is music to my ears. I agree with you btw about how old or young both the league and the clubs are not making a difference. The heart wants what the heart wants.... I just dont get the manufactured rivalries of the marketing gurus....
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+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :)
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+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) I know and understand what you mean/saying, but personally I have always seen those types of comments a bit disrespectful to the other 10 clubs who also play in the league. Regardless whether or not they have any real chance at winning it. But I do understand why those comments are made.
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+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) I know and understand what you mean/saying, but personally I have always seen those types of comments a bit disrespectful to the other 10 clubs who also play in the league. Regardless whether or not they have any real chance at winning it. But I do understand why those comments are made. Maaaaaate should I have used blue font as well? :)
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+x+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) I know and understand what you mean/saying, but personally I have always seen those types of comments a bit disrespectful to the other 10 clubs who also play in the league. Regardless whether or not they have any real chance at winning it. But I do understand why those comments are made. Maaaaaate should I have used blue font as well? :) Yes. You most certainly do 😊
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) I know and understand what you mean/saying, but personally I have always seen those types of comments a bit disrespectful to the other 10 clubs who also play in the league. Regardless whether or not they have any real chance at winning it. But I do understand why those comments are made. Maaaaaate should I have used blue font as well? :) Yes. You most certainly do 😊 HH :)
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+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? done ok a pass I guess. LOL. I suspect you were being sarcastic. At least Brisbane Bhoy typed in blue in his post below to indicate he was and he was mimicking SB that poster who supports a team whose fans allegedly attacked women and children at Fir Hill recently. Manager of the year answers the question perfectly.
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+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) No one said Serie A was a one club league when Juventus won it 9 years in a row recently. No one says the Bundesliga is a one club league yet Bayern Munich has won it 10 times in a row and counting. And closer to home for you how about Olympiacos in the Greek Super League? At least the SPL is a 2 club league :-) But, the others are not pub football teams. They just don't have the funds to spend. Rangers doesn't either but it spends them anyway.That's why they are always being propped up by wealthy benefactors.
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+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) No one said Serie A was a one club league when Juventus won it 9 years in a row recently. No one says the Bundesliga is a one club league yet Bayern Munich has won it 10 times in a row and counting. And closer to home for you how about Olympiacos in the Greek Super League? At least the SPL is a 2 club league :-) But, the others are not pub football teams. They just don't have the funds to spend. Rangers doesn't either but it spends them anyway.That's why they are always being propped up by wealthy benefactors. Take a breath bud, see my reply to BB above...... was being sarcastic FFS :) Oh and the sons of whores from Pireaus and their heroin dealing owner of Nottingham Forrest can collectively go and get fucked....
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+x+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) No one said Serie A was a one club league when Juventus won it 9 years in a row recently. No one says the Bundesliga is a one club league yet Bayern Munich has won it 10 times in a row and counting. And closer to home for you how about Olympiacos in the Greek Super League? At least the SPL is a 2 club league :-) But, the others are not pub football teams. They just don't have the funds to spend. Rangers doesn't either but it spends them anyway.That's why they are always being propped up by wealthy benefactors. Take a breath bud, see my reply to BB above...... was being sarcastic FFS :) Oh and the sons of whores from Pireaus and their heroin dealing owner of Nottingham Forrest can collectively go and get fucked.... Yes you were being sarcastic about barely a pass mark, that was obvious, but I doubt you were re the 2 team league.
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Dream is still alive:
Rangers Europa
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+xDream is still alive: Rangers Europa Hearts Cup Celtic title Unfortunately the huns get €4.6million for making the final. Lets hope Eintracht Frankfurt run all over them.
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So with the Banning of Russia from UEFA, Scotland will get their automatic qualifying position to the Champions League, it means if Ange wins he'll get automatic Qualification to the pool round.
Or am I reading it wrong?
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+xSo with the Banning of Russia from UEFA, Scotland will get their automatic qualifying position to the Champions League, it means if Ange wins he'll get automatic Qualification to the pool round. Or am I reading it wrong? Yes, but they would have anyway once Villareal bowed out. If Rangers win the Europa League final they will get automatic qualification to the group stages as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) No one said Serie A was a one club league when Juventus won it 9 years in a row recently. No one says the Bundesliga is a one club league yet Bayern Munich has won it 10 times in a row and counting. And closer to home for you how about Olympiacos in the Greek Super League? At least the SPL is a 2 club league :-) But, the others are not pub football teams. They just don't have the funds to spend. Rangers doesn't either but it spends them anyway.That's why they are always being propped up by wealthy benefactors. Take a breath bud, see my reply to BB above...... was being sarcastic FFS :) Oh and the sons of whores from Pireaus and their heroin dealing owner of Nottingham Forrest can collectively go and get fucked.... Yes you were being sarcastic about barely a pass mark, that was obvious, but I doubt you were re the 2 team league. Doubt away all you like bud.... I was taking the piss...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI think Ange is doing a good job. Thoughts? Good?? You call getting kicked out of three different European competitions, along with one domestic cup competition. While only winning the lesser of all the Titles on offer during a season. Along with him yet to win the League. You call that "doing a good job"?? Yeah it IS a two club league...... heads or tales one ot them always wins it.... Like LFC says, barely a pass mark :) No one said Serie A was a one club league when Juventus won it 9 years in a row recently. No one says the Bundesliga is a one club league yet Bayern Munich has won it 10 times in a row and counting. And closer to home for you how about Olympiacos in the Greek Super League? At least the SPL is a 2 club league :-) But, the others are not pub football teams. They just don't have the funds to spend. Rangers doesn't either but it spends them anyway.That's why they are always being propped up by wealthy benefactors. Take a breath bud, see my reply to BB above...... was being sarcastic FFS :) Oh and the sons of whores from Pireaus and their heroin dealing owner of Nottingham Forrest can collectively go and get fucked.... Yes you were being sarcastic about barely a pass mark, that was obvious, but I doubt you were re the 2 team league. Doubt away all you like bud.... I was taking the piss... Ignore the twat, he is a wee bit upset this morning.
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+x+xSo with the Banning of Russia from UEFA, Scotland will get their automatic qualifying position to the Champions League, it means if Ange wins he'll get automatic Qualification to the pool round. Or am I reading it wrong? Yes, but they would have anyway once Villareal bowed out. If Rangers win the Europa League final they will get automatic qualification to the group stages as well. 👍
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