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This is mental. Absolutely insane.
Took out a few tanks and how’s all the people appearing from the rubble.
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I'd hope I'd be gutsy enough if I were in the same position.
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how brave are they. this is a bad look for russia domestically now. Citizens using molotov cocktails to defend themselves against a military super power.
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Trump is a dog for holding off their military aid. He probably did it half to help Putin.
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+xTrump is a dog for holding off their military aid. He probably did it half to help Putin. Try harder
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. I like how Enzo praises Trump for avoiding a war in his 4 year tenure yet criticises Biden for attempting to do the same. Fucking hilarious. Ho ho. You might have heard the news. Russian invaded Ukraine in an act of war. Three days ago. Biden was president at the time. And still is. No war under Trump. Putin knew not to try it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Trump repeatedly said, REPEATEDLY, that the US would not be dragged into 'dumb wars'. The only way Trump could possibly have frightened Putin is by being unhinged enough to launch nukes at Russia. I mean he did want to nuke hurricanes over the Gulf of Mexico so it is possible I suppose. US invading Afghanistan = dumb war. Russia invading Ukraine = dumb Democrats. Part of having a military and nuclear arsenal is being prepared to use it as a means of deterrence. Do you think Putin might think twice about invading Ukraine if he thought the US *might* use their military to push back, which could quickly and easily escalate into nuclear confrontation? Fuck no, he isn't suicidal, but given the US President explicitly stated that he wouldn't put forces in Ukraine, it was basically a green light for Putin to invade without incurring much downside. The consequences of this? A stronger more dangerous Russia, and maniacal dictator with the wind in his sails to do whatever the fuck he wants, Xi will be rubbing his hands with glee knowing US will do diddly squat when China takes Taiwan, and ultimately this all leads to an even greater specter of nuclear conflict. This is all Biden's fault. What a cxnt. Wow. WTF Of course it is. Biden rolled over and let Putin invade Europe. He even admits now that sanctions were never intended as a deterrent, which means he had no intention or plan to stop Russia. He’s signalled to his adversaries that America doesn’t views its own sanctions as a deterrent and won’t stand up much smaller nations with nuclear capability. The scary thing is the USA does have an obligation to protect Taiwan, and given Biden’s mishandling, misreading and weakness shown in the situation you’d have to think China is willing to have a serious crack at Taiwan. If that happens then the threat of nuclear war becomes very tangible. If China miscalculates that USA won’t defend Taiwan.. but it does it then it’s BOOM time baby. If this happens then the turning point will be remembered (supposing there are any people left) as when Biden surrendered to Russia. The guy is a complete disaster. So what if none of that happens and Putin fails with his invasion of Ukraine? Biden is a genius for preserving US assets? Putin won't fail. He will oust Ukraine's pro-NATO government, then install a pro-Moscow regime and claim he liberated the Ukrainians. Whether he pushes further West is the only question. The worst thing about it for Ukraine is that the US, the UK and Russia convinced Ukraine to dismantle its nukes in exchange for those nations coming to their aid in a military conflict. Sheesh, I hope when the Soviet (oops I mean Russian) troops leave Ukrain in the middle of the night a decade from now, the Taliban don't move in to the power vacuum and start playing with all the abandoned choppers :)...
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One can only despair at the thought of how Putin unloading his nukes on Europe will impact climate change. Poor Greta will be so upset.😭
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Can I ask simple question from both sides of the political horseshoe in here? Why all the angst about Russia invading another country? I mean it sucks on a humanitarian level obviously and the poor people on the ground must be terrified and I really feel for them but why is everyone so morally shocked now? Shit the US has invaded so many sovereign nations in the last 50 years alone as to make Putin look like a blushing virgin. FFS it's not that far geographically from Crimea that Australia landed an invasion force on the beaches of Turkey 100 years ago and we fuckin have a march every year to commemorate it......... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions
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+xOne can only despair at the thought of how Putin unloading his nukes on Europe will impact climate change. Poor Greta will be so upset.😭 A nuclear winter will cool the planet so the ecoloons must be in favour of it.
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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God bless British made nlaw anti tank missiles
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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+xhow brave are they. this is a bad look for russia domestically now. Citizens using molotov cocktails to defend themselves against a military super power. A bad look for Russia would be if Putin sent a Spetznaz team to Zelenskys house in the middle of the night and assassinate him in front of his family AND then made a movie about it and made heroes of the scum who did it......
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Russian T14 tanks to be renamed Vlad cookers
Europe is funding the war not Chelsea football club
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+xCan I ask simple question from both sides of the political horseshoe in here? Why all the angst about Germany invading another country? I mean it sucks on a humanitarian level obviously and the poor people on the ground must be terrified and I really feel for them but why is everyone so morally shocked now? Shit Britain has invaded so many sovereign nations in the last 50 years alone as to make Hitler look like a blushing virgin. FFS it's not that far geographically from Istanbul that Britain landed an invasion force on the beaches of Turkey 100 years ago and we fuckin have a march every year to commemorate it......... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions I changed a few words around, hopefully your eyes have been opened.
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Watching these ladies and students and old blokes lining up to get guns is unreal. So unbelievably ballsy.
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Too late to save Ukraine now, military response too late, probably best allow it to fall to Russia.
Draw a very hard line in the sand at NATO Eastern European countries, if Russia invades provokes US nuclear first strike. That equation rules out Russia expanding its borders under any circumstances (status quo or certain death). Grim scenario but deterrents usually need to be.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement. Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that.
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I'm amazed that some people can still spin this into a culture war.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement. Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that. “We might — especially being threatened like that, blackmailed by that and pushed to it,” Prystaiko said when asked if Kyiv would contemplate not joining NATO to avert war. But a day later, Ukrainian officials appeared to walk back the statement, saying there would be no change in Ukraine’s constitutional commitment to become a member of NATO, which it made in 2019. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-leaders-scramble-avoid-war-ukraine-confusion-bid-join-nato-rcna16088
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement. Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that. “We might — especially being threatened like that, blackmailed by that and pushed to it,” Prystaiko said when asked if Kyiv would contemplate not joining NATO to avert war. But a day later, Ukrainian officials appeared to walk back the statement, saying there would be no change in Ukraine’s constitutional commitment to become a member of NATO, which it made in 2019. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-leaders-scramble-avoid-war-ukraine-confusion-bid-join-nato-rcna16088 Surely countries are entitled to self determination whatever the circumstances.
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Putin putting his nuclear forces on high alert. Can someone explain why he would do that? Is that a warning at the west? Surely he's not contemplating nuking the Ukraine.
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How good is it that rusty is making excuses and supporting Putin? Would rather score cheap political points than have a country stay free. Can almost imagine him sitting there cheering Putin on to kill as many civilians as possible so he can jump online and blame Biden.
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Watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Foxnews etc for all their video coverage. Foxnews, when they're not commenting on politics or opinion, are actually quite decent with their coverage.
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+xI'm amazed that some people can still spin this into a culture war. All those kids having their homes bombed is a slap in the face to the leftards. Owning the libs yada yada
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+x+xI'm amazed that some people can still spin this into a culture war. All those kids having their homes bombed is a slap in the face to the leftards. Owning the libs yada yada They're completely bereft of empathy, unless it happens directly to them they can't process it. It's really reprehensible.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement. Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that. Did they? IF you watch that video of Putin's interview just 2 months ago he makes a very rational and compelling case that Ukraine joining NATO-as he called it the 5th wave of getting closer to Russia's borders- was akin to someone putting a bomb on your front porch
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xREMINDER: Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine to try to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. REMINDER That's because there was dirt to be found on The Big Guy. REMINDER: Trump told EU to start paying their NATO dues. REMINDER before that: Obama told the world the US won't be the world's policeman. EU should pay for their defence. Agreed. Correct and Trump doubled down on this with numerous policy pronouncements deliberately withdrawing America even further from the world stage. You can't have it both ways. And completely consistent with Trump's America First policy. The Europeans believed with Trump was gone, things would be back to normal and the US would pay for their security. Jokes on them. And you know the weird thing. Blokes like you and Rusty can't even bring yourself to say this is bad. Like what the fuck is wrong with your politics when you can't denounce something like this. I suppose Trump set the bar when he said 'there's very fine people on both sides' so there is that. Bang on. I have friends over there now, they are sending me videos of aircraft bombing outside their apartments, on my friends insta there is all dead people strewn across the street. So horrific. I suspect the russian people don't even want this. These alt right clowns acting like this is some sort of 'owning of the libs' Is Biden partly to blame? Probably but in no way would this not have happened under Trump. I agree 100% Biden has not helped the situation, but if Trump was in, he wouldn't even bring in sanctions. In lots of ways it's because of trump and these weak populist leaders that has given these despots the confidence to do what they want because they've sewn so much discord in the west It wouldnt happen under Trump because Trump would use strong rhetoric and implied if not actual miltiary force to make Russia back down. Under Trump there’s a real risk or nuclear and/or military conflict whereas under Biden and Kamala there’s just weakness, sloppy sanctions and empty threats. There’s no way Trump would allow Putin to just waltz in and watch them take Ukraine, hence why Putin waited for a weak, pathetic SJW Democrat to become President before making his move. Why would Trump talk tough to Putin? He's never done that. He had no reason to Of course he needed to. According to your theory, he would need to talk tough to keep Putin in check. So now the situation is Trump has never talked tough to Putin, and Biden has done the same. Im not sure what you mean. You need to pick your moment to talk tough, simply tough talk for the sake of it achieves nothing, Obviously the moment to talk tough to Putin was when he started his military build up along the Ukrainian border, at this point Biden was President , not Donald. Remember when Russia put bounties on US troops in Syria? Should have stood up then. But the bottom line for me is that we are expecting the US to police the world. Why? They shouldn't. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/remember-those-russian-bounties-dead-u-s-troops-biden-admin-n1264215“The Biden administration made clear Thursday that the CIA has only "low to moderate confidence" in its intel on alleged Russian bounties for U.S. troops.” Just another MSM lie to discredit Trump. Thanks. My bottom line still stands though. Why is the US at fault? What is the US expected to do everything? Cos Russia invaded Ukraine for threatening to join NATO, and America is the captain of NATO, so its got direct and comprehensive involvement. Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that. “We might — especially being threatened like that, blackmailed by that and pushed to it,” Prystaiko said when asked if Kyiv would contemplate not joining NATO to avert war. But a day later, Ukrainian officials appeared to walk back the statement, saying there would be no change in Ukraine’s constitutional commitment to become a member of NATO, which it made in 2019. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/world-leaders-scramble-avoid-war-ukraine-confusion-bid-join-nato-rcna16088 Surely countries are entitled to self determination whatever the circumstances. You mean like when Cuba was going to host USSR nukes and the US readied its nukes?
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