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mcjules - 28 Feb 2022 9:58 AM
tsf - 28 Feb 2022 9:55 AM

They're completely bereft of empathy, unless it happens directly to them they can't process it. It's really reprehensible. 

I wouldn't even be surprised if they start complaining that the world is trying to cancel Putin.
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Munrubenmuz - 28 Feb 2022 6:50 AM
Putin putting his nuclear forces on high alert.

Can someone explain why he would do that? Is that a warning at the west? Surely he's not contemplating nuking the Ukraine.


Watch that interview with Putin 2 months ago if you REALLY want to know his thoughts and reason.  It certainly opened my eyes to the two sides of this rather what the Western media tells you.Say what you like the guy is super intelligent, knowledegable and articulate

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Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 12:25 AM
roosty - 27 Feb 2022 8:49 PM

Ukraine said they would back away from joining NATO. So why did Russia still invade? Also, why is Russia dictating Ukrainian foreign policy anyway. Can't spin this as America's fault. Putin ordered troops in. Simple as that.

And if the US actually listened to Putins concerns about NATO getting ever closer to his borders just 2 months ago this  might have been avoided.  I think NATO didn't believe he'd do this.

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Dont agree with Putins adventure in Ukraine nor any of the USA's recent attempts at regime change in the middle east, but many of you guys hand wringing about poor innocent Ukraine probably need to get some perspective. Also love the woke warriors who recently ranted about the far right at vax demonstrations now cheering on Ukraine who is actually full of neo-nazi's

Ukrainian president’s rule becomes increasingly corrupt, authoritarian


It has recently become clear that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky loves kleptocracy as much as his predecessor Petro Poroshenko.

Zelensky has consistently protected corrupt officials from prosecution and killed anti-corruption reforms. Now he and his inner circle have destroyed two of Ukraine’s most high-profile graft cases – against Zelensky’s deputy chief of staff Oleg Tatarov and Ukraine’s most corrupt judge Pavlo Vovk.

Now it has also become obvious that Zelensky is as much of an authoritarian ruler as Poroshenko and is using extrajudicial tools to crack down on critics and redistribute assets.

https://todaynewspost.com/news/world/europe-news/ukrainian-presidents-rule-becomes-increasingly-corrupt-authoritarian/
 

Revealed: ‘anti-oligarch’ Ukrainian president’s offshore connections

This article is more than 4 months old

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has railed against politicians hiding wealth offshore but failed to disclose links to BVI firm

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

NBC’s Richard Engel promotes Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion

16 February 2022

In a news broadcast Monday evening, NBC’s chief foreign policy correspondent Richard Engel told viewers how “some communities” in Ukraine are preparing for a war with Russia by “taking matters into their own hands.”

The report showed Ukrainian soldiers delivering “basic training for the whole family,” “first aid” and “weapons training” to a small group of Mariupol residents, including children and the elderly. One of them, 79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska, wielding an AK-47, was made the face of “Ukrainian resistance” by the world’s newspapers.

Engel left out of his account the fact that the military formation providing Konstantynovska’s training was the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, clearly identifiable by its Wolfsangel insignia used by Hitler’s SS in the Second World War.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/16/ukra-f16.html


Facebook is reversing its ban on posts praising Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion, report says

Urooba Jamal

Praise for the group, which is the armed wing of the country’s white nationalist Azov movement, was banned in 2019 under Facebook’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy. The platform had classified the group alongside others such as the Ku Klux Klan and Islamic State.

A 2016 report by the OHCHR found that Azov soldiers had raped and tortured civilians during the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The memos seen by The Intercept, however, also acknowledge the group’s ideology, and listed the following post as an example of unacceptable content, according to the outlet: “Well done Azov for protecting Ukraine and it’s white nationalist heritage.”

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reverses-ban-praise-ukraine-far-right-forces-2022-2?r=US&IR=T









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AJF - 28 Feb 2022 10:23 AM
Also love the woke warriors who recently ranted about the far right at vax demonstrations now cheering on Ukraine who is actually full of neo-nazi's

FMD.  By this logic every cro is ustashe and we can not feel bad if they ever get bombed.

Have you been to Ukraine? 

I have been to Ukraine close to 10 times, nobody gives a crap about any left, right, nationalist bollocks. They are just normal people living their lives,
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Munrubenmuz - 28 Feb 2022 7:05 AM
How good is it that rusty is making excuses and supporting Putin?

Would rather score cheap political points than have a country stay free.

Can almost imagine him sitting there cheering Putin on to kill as many civilians as possible so he can jump online and blame Biden.

Pretty much. It's crazy.
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Munrubenmuz - 28 Feb 2022 8:09 AM
Watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, Foxnews etc for all their video coverage.

Foxnews, when they're not commenting on politics or opinion, are actually quite decent with their coverage.

Yeah, if you ignore the opinion section and all the pundits (Tucker etc), Foxnews is alright with their detail. Same applies to CNN as well. I think the punditry ruins a lot of their coverage.
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Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 10:08 AM
Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 12:25 AM

Did they?

IF you watch that video of Putin's interview just 2 months ago he makes a very rational and compelling case that Ukraine joining NATO-as he called it the 5th wave of getting closer to Russia's borders- was akin to someone putting  a bomb on your front porch

Ukraine isn't Russia's front porch. It is it's own territory.

Not saying that Russia shouldn't be concerned and it does have genuine grievances, but to invade another country on this pretext is rubbish. It's all about restoring the Russian Empire and it's glory days, and I hope it fails abysmally. Just hope that the people (both Ukrainian and Russians) don't suffer too much for it.
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Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 10:43 AM
Munrubenmuz - 28 Feb 2022 7:05 AM

Pretty much. It's crazy.


As I learned its not as black and white as that.

None of us would be ok with China setting up military bases, equipment or even nukes on some island nation off our coastline, after for years warning them not to..

NATO and its chief Biden had the opportunity to prevent this pretty simply: decline Ukraine's membership to NATO, and Ukraine declares itself neutral.  Which I think will now happen anyway.

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Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 10:20 AM
Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 12:25 AM

And if the US actually listened to Putins concerns about NATO getting ever closer to his borders just 2 months ago this  might have been avoided.  I think NATO didn't believe he'd do this.

Problem has always been ego on both sides when things escalate into a war. Hope there is a way to deescalate. Not sure how.
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AJF - 28 Feb 2022 10:23 AM
Dont agree with Putins adventure in Ukraine nor any of the USA's recent attempts at regime change in the middle east, but many of you guys hand wringing about poor innocent Ukraine probably need to get some perspective. Also love the woke warriors who recently ranted about the far right at vax demonstrations now cheering on Ukraine who is actually full of neo-nazi's

I don't doubt that Ukraine is fully of issues with corruption/fringe elements/factions, etc. But it's a nice way for Russia to unite them all.
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Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 10:51 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 10:08 AM

Ukraine isn't Russia's front porch. It is it's own territory.

Not saying that Russia shouldn't be concerned and it does have genuine grievances, but to invade another country on this pretext is rubbish. It's all about restoring the Russian Empire and it's glory days, and I hope it fails abysmally. Just hope that the people (both Ukrainian and Russians) don't suffer too much for it.

Don't be ridiculous.  Of course Ukraine is on Russia's front porch.  We already know how the US-and with that any other NATO member would react in similar circumstances through the example of Cuban crisis.  NATO would be on nuclear alert. 

Putin doesn't want to restore the Russian Empire. You are swallowing the western media cool aide. 



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Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 10:57 AM
Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 10:51 AM

Don't be ridiculous.  Of course Ukraine is on Russia's front porch.  We already know how the US-and with that any other NATO member would react in similar circumstances through the example of Cuban crisis.  NATO would be on nuclear alert. 

Putin doesn't want to restore the Russian Empire. You are swallowing the western media cool aide. 


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Yeah so Putin never said the breakup of the Soviet Union was the great catastrophe of the 20th Century?  https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057


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Enzo Bearzot - 28 Feb 2022 10:53 AM
Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 10:43 AM

 decline Ukraine's membership to NATO

*Checks notes

Yep, Ukraine is not a member of Nato, nor does it have any chance of becoming one. 

Ok so we've scratched that off the list. 
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Burztur - 28 Feb 2022 10:56 AM
AJF - 28 Feb 2022 10:23 AM

I don't doubt that Ukraine is fully of issues with corruption/fringe elements/factions, etc. But it's a nice way for Russia to unite them all.

The core reasoning was the same as that used by US when invading Iraq - regime is bad needs to be changed. Can recall the world reacting same way to US invading a sovereign nation