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cesspit - 24 Mar 2022 4:12 PM
Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 4:03 PM

this Enzo clown probably isn't even vaccinated

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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 3:45 PM
When you actually look at the long history of the US and Biden's involvement in the last 10 years in Ukraine, a country most people would not be able to find on a map, doesn't that ring alarm bells that something has been up for a while?  Why their interest in Ukraine?.  Democracy my arse. The US wants this war.

Since when has being able to find a country on a map ever stopped the US from sticking their grubby noses in everywhere?

'Can you name a country?'  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umpalMtQE50




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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 3:38 PM
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And? 

Biden held back aid until after a Ukraine government official was sacked. 

Besides who better than the Ukraine government to investigate allegations of meddling in US democracy by people in Ukraine.  And what better motivator than to withhold money of they don't?

Anyway, Trump was mistaken:  the meddling was closer to home with Clinton's Russiagate claims and the Steele Dossier that she and the Democrats literally paid  to get written.

And? Lol. You clown.

Biden wanting a corrupt official sacked before providing funding is suspect how?! Weren't you saying they had a corrupt government. There's a world of difference between asking for dirt on an opponent and giving aid on the proviso that a corrupt official is booted. No aid given anywhere is unconditional.

And the dossier. The dossier that contains details on Trump getting pissed on by 2 prostitutes? That dossier? Occams razor tells you that that story is more likely true than not.

It's no small wonder why Trump was so friendly to Putin.







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Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 4:03 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 3:45 PM

Yeah I wonder why the US would be interested in a liberal democracy on Russia's doorstep that wants to join the EU and possibly NATO.

Baffling. 


https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-s-zelenskyy-call-key-point-amid-russia-s-ukraine-n1291960?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 3:45 PM
When you actually look at the long history of the US and Biden's involvement in the last 10 years in Ukraine, a country most people would not be able to find on a map, doesn't that ring alarm bells that something has been up for a while?  Why their interest in Ukraine?.  Democracy my arse. The US wants this war.

Yeah I wonder why the US would be interested in a liberal democracy on Russia's doorstep that wants to join the EU and possibly NATO.

Baffling. 


https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-s-zelenskyy-call-key-point-amid-russia-s-ukraine-n1291960?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma



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When you actually look at the long history of the US and Biden's involvement in the last 10 years in Ukraine, a country most people would not be able to find on a map, doesn't that ring alarm bells that something has been up for a while?  Why their interest in Ukraine?.  Democracy my arse. The US wants this war.
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cesspit - 24 Mar 2022 3:29 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 9:05 AM

all of this is inference by Trumpkins, there are no facts backing up this conspiracy theory and you know it

Haha.  Good one.
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Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 3:05 PM
Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 9:05 AM

Yes, yes I see. Nepotism by an unelected presidential opponent is a fair pretext to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to an ally .

Cool.

So unusual and ridiculously out of the ordinary was the request that the conversation was reported immediately afterwards.

Immediately after the Trump–Zelenskyy call ended, White House national security aides discussed their deep concerns, with at least one National Security Council (NSC) official alerting White House national security lawyers.[31][32] A text message between a State Department envoy to Ukraine and a Ukrainian official showed the envoy understood from the White House that a Zelenskyy visit with Trump was contingent upon Ukraine's investigating a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[33]


And? 

Biden held back aid until after a Ukraine government official was sacked. 

Besides who better than the Ukraine government to investigate allegations of meddling in US democracy by people in Ukraine.  And what better motivator than to withhold money of they don't?

Anyway, Trump was mistaken:  the meddling was closer to home with Clinton's Russiagate claims and the Steele Dossier that she and the Democrats literally paid  to get written.
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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 9:05 AM
Munrubenmuz - 11 Mar 2022 3:58 PM

Never forget, Trump was right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html

"Federal tax prosecutors generally fight to keep jurors from knowing whether defendants have paid their back tax bills, arguing that the crime happens when the return is falsely filed or not filed at all"

Hunter Biden was also lining up meetings for pay with his then Vice President father in Ukraine whilst alsoworking in Ukraine for an obscene salary in a job he literally knew nothing about.  And not paying his taxes.

I reckon that's dirt enough, wouldn't you say?

What you should be concerned about is how your side of the media sought to bury this.  By exyension how do you actually know what you read abut Ukraine is not propaganda.

all of this is inference by Trumpkins, there are no facts backing up this conspiracy theory and you know it
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not all heroes wear capes!

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky virtually addresses the US Congress on March 16, 2022, at the US Capitol Visitor Center Congressional Auditorium, in Washington, DC.
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It looks like we've got another misinformation peddler on the forum.  It would seem the cult of Trump still endures in dark spaces.
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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 10:45 AM
Davide82 - 24 Mar 2022 10:36 AM

The Biden's are balls deep into Ukraine.

Trump talking points are not facts Putin apologist



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sydneyfc1987 - 23 Mar 2022 7:40 PM
Using the Rusty and Enzo logic of "everything bad is the fault of cultural marxism", how is it that self-purported mans' man Putin, loved by many neo-conservatives in the west for his support of traditional ideals of masculinity and christianity, is getting his arse handed to him by what is apparently a nation and government serving as a puppet for woke western liberal elites? 

Shouldn't the Ukrainian army be more invested in ensuring they have LGBTQIA+ representation than actually fighting a war?  

Just to be clear, this war and any other war abhorent and ultimately pointless. It will stop eventually. Some agreements will be signed in front of the media.  But the people's suffering and losses will never heal.

But..the reason why the Ukrainians have put up a fight is because its their home they are defending, their families, their history,  The Russians soldiers are not.  Its all to do with morale and motivation  Its a repeating pattern: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan-the militarily superior invaders won the battles but ultimately lost the war. And left.
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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 9:05 AM
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Never forget, Trump was right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html

I reckon that's dirt enough, wouldn't you say?

Yes, yes I see. Nepotism by an unelected presidential opponent is a fair pretext to withhold hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to an ally .

Cool.

So unusual and ridiculously out of the ordinary was the request that the conversation was reported immediately afterwards.

Immediately after the Trump–Zelenskyy call ended, White House national security aides discussed their deep concerns, with at least one National Security Council (NSC) official alerting White House national security lawyers.[31][32] A text message between a State Department envoy to Ukraine and a Ukrainian official showed the envoy understood from the White House that a Zelenskyy visit with Trump was contingent upon Ukraine's investigating a conspiracy theory about alleged Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[33]



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sydneyfc1987 - 24 Mar 2022 1:03 PM

sure, i mean the whole crushing of free speech in their country, forced movement of people to russian camps, what a few million refugees, tens of thousand dead...what matters is the lefties are getting owned still with anti-gay laws in russia. 

I do believe Putin made a speech about the decline of Western values (IE wokesters) too so that would also help.

Don't forget chemical weapon attacks, locking up or poisoning of political opponents or murdering them just a couple of hundred metres from the Red Square and assassinating scores of journalists.

Presumably I'm just a drinker of the 'Western MSM kool aid'. 


Oh almost forgot. Putin ordered the wholesale demolition of apartment buildings in Moscow to gain a pretext to invade Chechnya. 

https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident

Having said that has outlawed gay marriage so swings and roundabouts.


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Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 2:00 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 24 Mar 2022 1:03 PM
 Russian government does not give 2 fucks about sending in their soldiers to get killed or anyone (the civilian population) 

100%

Don't care about killing their own people let alone anyone else. 

Reason they won a lot of decisive battles in ww2 was just sheer numbers. Send 10k to get slaughtered, another 10....20, 30...eventually the enemy are over run.
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sydneyfc1987 - 24 Mar 2022 1:03 PM
Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 11:43 AM

I'd like to think even enzo would find what Putin is doing to be reprehensible, he just doesn't want to be seen siding with the lefties. 

sure, i mean the whole crushing of free speech in their country, forced movement of people to russian camps, what a few million refugees, tens of thousand dead...what matters is the lefties are getting owned still with anti-gay laws in russia. 
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sydneyfc1987 - 24 Mar 2022 1:03 PM
Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 11:43 AM

I'd like to think even enzo would find what Putin is doing to be reprehensible, he just doesn't want to be seen siding with the lefties. 

You'd think so but Biden is against Putin so there's that.

It's fucked. Been doing a bit of reading about the 2 Chechen wars. The first one the Russians had their arses handed to them. Much like this at the moment. The Russian government does not give 2 fucks about sending in their soldiers to get killed or anyone (the civilian population) that gets in the way of what they're trying to achieve.

Large parts of Ukraine is going to be flattened before this thing is finished,


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OMG are these imbeciles still going on about hunter biden...FMD
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Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 11:43 AM
Davide82 - 24 Mar 2022 10:56 AM

According to Enzo it does.


I'd like to think even enzo would find what Putin is doing to be reprehensible, he just doesn't want to be seen siding with the lefties. 

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Davide82 - 24 Mar 2022 10:56 AM
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It's a dirty world BUT paying that money to Russia doesn't mean they get to level cities in a neighbouring country.

According to Enzo it does.




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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 10:43 AM
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“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.




It's a dirty world BUT paying that money to Russia doesn't mean they get to level cities in a neighbouring country.

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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 10:45 AM
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The Biden's are balls deep into Ukraine.

Sure but why then is the entire world on the same side as them in this particular conflict?
Surely you're not suggesting Poland, Sweden, Germany etc etc etc etc have taken Ukraine's side because Biden has a personal economic interest in that country aha



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Davide82 - 24 Mar 2022 10:36 AM
I think the Americans have actually played this one well so far and that may be the first time I have said that in my life.

Biden does indeed seem to be a senile hair sniffer but it could be that he is taking advice from experts rather than making decisions on whims and gut feel.



The Biden's are balls deep into Ukraine.

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Munrubenmuz - 24 Mar 2022 9:38 AM
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Which part of the definition of 'extortion' or quid pro quo' do you not understand? (Both, if not illegal, morally and ethically suspect.) 

I knew you were a Putin supporter. Thanks for confirming this. Are you retweeting and copy pasting Tucker Carlson's stuff like the Russia government has instructed it's press to do?

I remember Reagan going to town on the USSR when he was president and lionised amongst conservatives (and pretty much the entire west) for his work in bringing about the breakup of the Soviet Union.

And now?

At the end of the day, Ukraine received its money from Trump.

The  US people are absolutely entitled to know know that their Vice President who is running for President can be bought by foreign interests.

On the contrary I post from your favourite media sources, precisely to stop your ridiculous claims.  And yet somehow you still make them.

Here's another:

The New York Times has confirmed that the contents of a laptop belonging to President Biden’s son Hunter are authentic, more than two years after the story broke.

The laptop, which Biden’s son left in a Delaware repair shop, contained a cache of emails relating to his business activities with various companies, including Burisma, a Ukraine energy company on whose board he sat.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hunter-bidens-emails-are-genuine-the-new-york-times-admits-ccf76cjc2

Twitter banned the Washing Posts account over that as well, BTW.

And how could you forget this oldie but goodie:

“When Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia,” Trump said to Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to be guarding against Russia and Germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars a year to Russia.

“We’re protecting Germany, we’re protecting France, we’re protecting all of these countries. And then numerous of the countries go out and make a pipeline deal with Russia where they’re paying billions of dollars into the coffers of Russia.

“So we’re supposed to protect you against Russia and you pay billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate,” Trump said at the residence of the U.S. ambassador in Brussels.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nato-summit-pipeline-idUSKBN1K10VI

 As for your Pro-Putin nonsense, I'm simply not gulping down the pro-Western cool aid you are drowning in.



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I think the Americans have actually played this one well so far and that may be the first time I have said that in my life.

Biden does indeed seem to be a senile hair sniffer but it could be that he is taking advice from experts rather than making decisions on whims and gut feel.



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Biden has actually handled this well. I was chatting with Russian colleague who said that he is a lot stronger than Obama who let ruskies just take crimea. They are of the opinion he’s played hard and smart with unifying the west and choking Russia. 

They are clearly getting immense background support. 

They are surprised he’s shown such a toughness while maintaining diplomacy and not starting WW3. 

Tbh I’m even surprised as he seems like a senile hair sniffer. 

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Enzo Bearzot - 24 Mar 2022 9:05 AM
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Never forget, Trump was right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html

"Federal tax prosecutors generally fight to keep jurors from knowing whether defendants have paid their back tax bills, arguing that the crime happens when the return is falsely filed or not filed at all"

Hunter Biden was also lining up meetings for pay with his then Vice President father in Ukraine whilst alsoworking in Ukraine for an obscene salary in a job he literally knew nothing about.  And not paying his taxes.

I reckon that's dirt enough, wouldn't you say?

What you should be concerned about is how your side of the media sought to bury this.  By exyension how do you actually know what you read abut Ukraine is not propaganda.

Which part of the definition of 'extortion' or quid pro quo' do you not understand? (Both, if not illegal, morally and ethically suspect.) 

I knew you were a Putin supporter. Thanks for confirming this. Are you retweeting and copy pasting Tucker Carlson's stuff like the Russia government has instructed it's press to do?

I remember Reagan going to town on the USSR when he was president and lionised amongst conservatives (and pretty much the entire west) for his work in bringing about the breakup of the Soviet Union.

And now?


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Munrubenmuz - 11 Mar 2022 3:58 PM
tsf - 11 Mar 2022 3:20 PM

Never forget he tried to extort Zelensky for dirt on Hunter Biden by withholding $400 million in military aid.

What a guy. 

Never forget, Trump was right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html

"Federal tax prosecutors generally fight to keep jurors from knowing whether defendants have paid their back tax bills, arguing that the crime happens when the return is falsely filed or not filed at all"

Hunter Biden was also lining up meetings for pay with his then Vice President father in Ukraine whilst alsoworking in Ukraine for an obscene salary in a job he literally knew nothing about.  And not paying his taxes.

I reckon that's dirt enough, wouldn't you say?

What you should be concerned about is how your side of the media sought to bury this.  By exyension how do you actually know what you read abut Ukraine is not propaganda.

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Putin special representative Chubais quits


Anatoly Chubais, the architect of Russia's post-Soviet economic reforms, has quit his post as a Kremlin special envoy and left the country, a source has told Reuters, in the highest profile protest by a Russian figure against the Ukraine invasion.

Chubais, who once served as former president Boris Yeltsin's chief of staff, left his post as President Vladimir Putin's special representative for ties with international organisations, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.


https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671217/putin-special-representative-chubais-quits/?cs=14264



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