I wouldn't even be surprised if they start complaining that the world is trying to cancel Putin.

Watch that interview with Putin 2 months ago if you REALLY want to know his thoughts and reason.  It certainly opened my eyes to the two sides of this rather what the Western media tells you.Say what you like the guy is super intelligent, knowledegable and articulate

And if the US actually listened to Putins concerns about NATO getting ever closer to his borders just 2 months ago this  might have been avoided.  I think NATO didn't believe he'd do this.

Dont agree with Putins adventure in Ukraine nor any of the USA's recent attempts at regime change in the middle east, but many of you guys hand wringing about poor innocent Ukraine probably need to get some perspective. Also love the woke warriors who recently ranted about the far right at vax demonstrations now cheering on Ukraine who is actually full of neo-nazi's

Ukrainian president’s rule becomes increasingly corrupt, authoritarian

It has recently become clear that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky loves kleptocracy as much as his predecessor Petro Poroshenko.

Zelensky has consistently protected corrupt officials from prosecution and killed anti-corruption reforms. Now he and his inner circle have destroyed two of Ukraine’s most high-profile graft cases – against Zelensky’s deputy chief of staff Oleg Tatarov and Ukraine’s most corrupt judge Pavlo Vovk.

Now it has also become obvious that Zelensky is as much of an authoritarian ruler as Poroshenko and is using extrajudicial tools to crack down on critics and redistribute assets.

https://todaynewspost.com/news/world/europe-news/ukrainian-presidents-rule-becomes-increasingly-corrupt-authoritarian/
 

The Pandora papers, leaked to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ) and shared with the Guardian as part of a global investigation however, suggest Zelenskiy is rather similar to his predecessors.

The leaked documents suggest he had – or has – a previously undisclosed stake in an offshore company, which he appears to have secretly transferred to a friend weeks before winning the presidential vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

16 February 2022

In a news broadcast Monday evening, NBC’s chief foreign policy correspondent Richard Engel told viewers how “some communities” in Ukraine are preparing for a war with Russia by “taking matters into their own hands.”

The report showed Ukrainian soldiers delivering “basic training for the whole family,” “first aid” and “weapons training” to a small group of Mariupol residents, including children and the elderly. One of them, 79-year-old Valentyna Konstantynovska, wielding an AK-47, was made the face of “Ukrainian resistance” by the world’s newspapers.

Engel left out of his account the fact that the military formation providing Konstantynovska’s training was the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, clearly identifiable by its Wolfsangel insignia used by Hitler’s SS in the Second World War.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/16/ukra-f16.html

Facebook is reversing its ban on posts praising Ukraine’s far-right Azov Battalion, report says

Urooba Jamal Feb. 25, 2022, 3:07 PM

Praise for the group, which is the armed wing of the country’s white nationalist Azov movement, was banned in 2019 under Facebook’s Dangerous Individuals and Organizations policy. The platform had classified the group alongside others such as the Ku Klux Klan and Islamic State.

A 2016 report by the OHCHR found that Azov soldiers had raped and tortured civilians during the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The memos seen by The Intercept, however, also acknowledge the group’s ideology, and listed the following post as an example of unacceptable content, according to the outlet: “Well done Azov for protecting Ukraine and it’s white nationalist heritage.”

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/facebook-reverses-ban-praise-ukraine-far-right-forces-2022-2?r=US&IR=T

FMD.  By this logic every cro is ustashe and we can not feel bad if they ever get bombed.

Have you been to Ukraine? 

I have been to Ukraine close to 10 times, nobody gives a crap about any left, right, nationalist bollocks. They are just normal people living their lives,

Pretty much. It's crazy.

Yeah, if you ignore the opinion section and all the pundits (Tucker etc), Foxnews is alright with their detail. Same applies to CNN as well. I think the punditry ruins a lot of their coverage.

Ukraine isn't Russia's front porch. It is it's own territory.

Not saying that Russia shouldn't be concerned and it does have genuine grievances, but to invade another country on this pretext is rubbish. It's all about restoring the Russian Empire and it's glory days, and I hope it fails abysmally. Just hope that the people (both Ukrainian and Russians) don't suffer too much for it.

As I learned its not as black and white as that.

None of us would be ok with China setting up military bases, equipment or even nukes on some island nation off our coastline, after for years warning them not to..

NATO and its chief Biden had the opportunity to prevent this pretty simply: decline Ukraine's membership to NATO, and Ukraine declares itself neutral.  Which I think will now happen anyway.

Problem has always been ego on both sides when things escalate into a war. Hope there is a way to deescalate. Not sure how.

I don't doubt that Ukraine is fully of issues with corruption/fringe elements/factions, etc. But it's a nice way for Russia to unite them all.

Don't be ridiculous.  Of course Ukraine is on Russia's front porch.  We already know how the US-and with that any other NATO member would react in similar circumstances through the example of Cuban crisis.  NATO would be on nuclear alert. 

Putin doesn't want to restore the Russian Empire. You are swallowing the western media cool aide. 

Yeah so Putin never said the breakup of the Soviet Union was the great catastrophe of the 20th Century?  https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057

*Checks notes

Yep, Ukraine is not a member of Nato, nor does it have any chance of becoming one. 

Ok so we've scratched that off the list. 

The core reasoning was the same as that used by US when invading Iraq - regime is bad needs to be changed. Can recall the world reacting same way to US invading a sovereign nation

This is a fucked take.  This is now a lefty 'woke' issue. FMD.' Any excuse to put the boot in I suppose.

Because there's some neo nazi nutjobs then all off the Ukraine is bad. By that logic, Britain, the US hell even Australia is just as bad. There's fuckwit nazis in all of those places.

But give Russia a free pass and don't worry about rampant homophobia, sexism, right wing fascists and outright rank racists. (You don't dismiss a whole country's people based on a small subset of lunatics.)
 

Yes and which side was screaming the loudest not to invade Iraq?  That's right the despised 'lefty, woke, fucktards' that's who. 

And yet now it's thrown in their faces that somehow the 'woke left' want to give the US a free pass but mmm'kay Russia bad.

The rewriting of history and mental gymnastics on display is unbelievable. It's the left that was against the war in Iraq, Vietnam and most other conflicts. It's your Rumsfeld, Cheney's and Bush's from the right that love a good war.

We might not like it, but does it allow us to invade that island nation?

Ukraine is not Russian territory, therefore it is not Russia's front porch. It is the house next door. The house next door is allowed to do what it wants within its own property.

Yup. Same reaction. The US invasion of Iraq was an illegal war too.

Such a weird coincidence that it's all the anti-vaxxers that have empathy for Putin....

Didn't Putin create the first COVID vaccine? 

But pwoor widdle wussia 

If I see my neighbour putting up a security door, then I am robbing him before it goes in. 

I am surprised that the Sputnik isnt the one they are demanding

haha yes.

As an aside only 30% of Russians are vaccinated. (For various reasons.)

Would be an interesting convergence of the Venn diagram between anti-vaxxers, Putin supporters and Trumpists. On paper you'd pretty much see just the one circle.

Hmm, the left didnt support Iraq you say...

Joe Biden Didn’t Just Vote for the Iraq Invasion—He Helped Lead the March to War
In the wake of September 11th, Biden stood as a leading Democratic voice on foreign policy, chairing the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee. As President Bush attempted to sell the U.S. public on the war, Biden became one of the administration’s steadfast allies in this cause, backing claims about the supposed threat posed by Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and insisting on the necessity of removing him from power.
https://inthesetimes.com/features/joe-biden-iraq-war-vote-democratic-primary-2020.html

Chilcot report suggests Blair made early push for regime change in Iraq
Whitehall documents reveal that Tony Blair played a far more significant role in the US-led 2003 invasion of Iraq.
Tony Blair took the initiative in urging George W. Bush to plan for regime change in Iraq, secret UK government papers reveal.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/chilcot-report-suggests-blair-made-early-push-regime-change-iraq

He's clearly talking about people - not politicians all cut from the same cloth

FFS as if Tony Blair is 'The Left' anyway. He should be locked up as well.

I'm talking of your 'liberal elites'& 'lefty fucktards' that were demonstrating on the streets. (The general populace.) Would confidently say the vast majority of demonstrators and anti invade Iraq sentiment was predominantly from left leaning peoples.

I already said Blair was complicit and from the left in the other thread.

Pretty much all of the Labour party was in bed with Howard too. Only Bob Brown had the balls to swim against the tide.

The fact is you're trying, for some reason, to make out 'the left' is wrong here but not in Iraq. You can't have it both ways.

‘Double standards’: Western coverage of Ukraine war criticised

The war has triggered swift condemnation by several countries, immediate sanctions by the United States and other countries targeting Russian banks, oil refineries, and military exports, and marathon emergency talks at the UN Security Council (UNSC).

On social media, the speed of such an international response – which includes the exclusion of Russia from some cultural events and treatment of it as a pariah in sports – has raised eyebrows at the lack of such a reaction to other conflicts across the world.

CBS News senior correspondent in Kyiv Charlie D’Agata said on Friday: “This isn’t a place, with all due respect, like Iraq or Afghanistan that has seen conflict raging for decades. This is a relatively civilised, relatively European – I have to choose those words carefully, too – city where you wouldn’t expect that, or hope that it’s going to happen.”


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/27/western-media-coverage-ukraine-russia-invasion-criticism