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+x+xYeah I feel like with Germany in 2010, this won't be the only game France scores 3+ goals.
Poland were so lucky not to lose by 3 as well. Mbappe made their defence look just as bad if not worse than ours and should put some perspective on Atkinson's game Exactly. Mbappe given heaps of time and space by Poland and he took full advantage.
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+xYeah I feel like with Germany in 2010, this won't be the only game France scores 3+ goals.
Poland were so lucky not to lose by 3 as well. Mbappe made their defence look just as bad if not worse than ours and should put some perspective on Atkinson's game
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHSNNDgN6sCommentary reaction to Goodwin's goal from different broadcasts.
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+xGenerally I like to watch in peace or with select people as I get so stressed aha I have warned friends there will be no talking near the tele, no asking questions about rules or why Australia isn't very good and no jokes about soccer players falling over Ha ha! No talking near the tele!
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+xOfcourse robbos and rest of the fam. eldest son put it out last night all have to be up for it ! I was anyway watched SK game as well so 1hr sleep before going to play golf 7am. Happy for you all but you sure had to work for it - Ghana impressed, that back end of yours need to tighten up going forward. Respect!!! I got up for the replay at 6am. My golf day is Saturday morning.
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Ofcourse robbos and rest of the fam. eldest son put it out last night all have to be up for it ! I was anyway watched SK game as well so 1hr sleep before going to play golf 7am. Happy for you all but you sure had to work for it - Ghana impressed, that back end of yours need to tighten up going forward.
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+xEnzo just plays the politician game - retorts to asking another question to avoid answering what he’s asked. Dead set waste of time and he even quoted to having written out a response but went why bother deleted. Dead set one trick pony. Dont bother with him any more MSC its not worth responding to ignorance. I bet your wife was happy today LFC, I'm pretty happy makes up for disappointment from Wednesday morning. Though that last minute howler from the GK had me choking on my cornflakes.
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Enzo just plays the politician game - retorts to asking another question to avoid answering what he’s asked. Dead set waste of time and he even quoted to having written out a response but went why bother deleted. Dead set one trick pony. Dont bother with him any more MSC its not worth responding to ignorance.
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+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? I thought the bid was very good, as did the technical committee. It was good enough to win the vote - not to get one vote. The presentation ... now that was another thing - but the decision was supposed to be primarily based on the bid book. We met the criteria, Qatar didn't. Sorry yes, I misspoke I meant the presentation also ... that thieving kangaroo thingy .... wow :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not? Um because Lowy was NOT about to pay for THE club that caused him so much embarrassment in the eyes of the Hakoa social club board and community in the 80s and instead funded Melbourne Victory in Melbourne??? Do you have another reason perhaps? Does it start with "bloody wogs" maybe? Or are you going to bring up the fact that we where on our knees financially yet still, with the tin rattling and the chook raffles could have easily stumped up the SAME amount the Victory mob did all while still having a half alive fan base, club house, home ground ... basically could have hit the ground running? Why do you think the "Melbourne franchise spot" had to start from scratch? South had the opportunity to buy the Heart licence and chose not to. South had the opportunity to buy the Mariners licence and chose not to.Pity really. From what I hear that was more SMFC making noises to the FFA , through the media, to buy the license. Did they have the opportunity without relocating to the Central Coast which would never happen. I dont honestly know, but was told our offer was on the table with Newcastle Jest owners and FFA stepped in to muddy the deal last minute... not sure of re-location but I would presume that was our intention....
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+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? I thought the bid was very good, as did the technical committee. It was good enough to win the vote - not to get one vote. The presentation ... now that was another thing - but the decision was supposed to be primarily based on the bid book. We met the criteria, Qatar didn't.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not? Um because Lowy was NOT about to pay for THE club that caused him so much embarrassment in the eyes of the Hakoa social club board and community in the 80s and instead funded Melbourne Victory in Melbourne??? Do you have another reason perhaps? Does it start with "bloody wogs" maybe? Or are you going to bring up the fact that we where on our knees financially yet still, with the tin rattling and the chook raffles could have easily stumped up the SAME amount the Victory mob did all while still having a half alive fan base, club house, home ground ... basically could have hit the ground running? Why do you think the "Melbourne franchise spot" had to start from scratch? South had the opportunity to buy the Heart licence and chose not to. South had the opportunity to buy the Mariners licence and chose not to.Pity really. From what I hear that was more SMFC making noises to the FFA , through the media, to buy the license. Did they have the opportunity without relocating to the Central Coast which would never happen.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not? Um because Lowy was NOT about to pay for THE club that caused him so much embarrassment in the eyes of the Hakoa social club board and community in the 80s and instead funded Melbourne Victory in Melbourne??? Do you have another reason perhaps? Does it start with "bloody wogs" maybe? Or are you going to bring up the fact that we where on our knees financially yet still, with the tin rattling and the chook raffles could have easily stumped up the SAME amount the Victory mob did all while still having a half alive fan base, club house, home ground ... basically could have hit the ground running? Why do you think the "Melbourne franchise spot" had to start from scratch? South had the opportunity to buy the Heart licence and chose not to. South had the opportunity to buy the Mariners licence and chose not to. Pity really. South bid both times and the bid was rejected..... pity at the time. Consider it a blessing from the football gods now :)
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+xThe forum didn't stick to the world cup chats for long aha Hope I don't regret asking a few people to come watch the game tomorrow night. A World Cup match at 8:30pm on a Saturday seemed like it needed to be an event. The group includes people who are not football fans but are good friends. Generally I like to watch in peace or with select people as I get so stressed aha I have warned friends there will be no talking near the tele, no asking questions about rules or why Australia isn't very good and no jokes about soccer players falling over Oh fark dude.... Im really feeling for ya on this one........ ahahahahahaha I can imagine your head exploding, we're 2 nil down and someone's missus asks "why does one player wear a different colour and have gloves?" hahahahahahaha Sorry hope we thump the bastards emphatically so you can convert some heathens... Ill be on the couch with my kiddies and a pizza.......
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not? Um because Lowy was NOT about to pay for THE club that caused him so much embarrassment in the eyes of the Hakoa social club board and community in the 80s and instead funded Melbourne Victory in Melbourne??? Do you have another reason perhaps? Does it start with "bloody wogs" maybe? Or are you going to bring up the fact that we where on our knees financially yet still, with the tin rattling and the chook raffles could have easily stumped up the SAME amount the Victory mob did all while still having a half alive fan base, club house, home ground ... basically could have hit the ground running? Why do you think the "Melbourne franchise spot" had to start from scratch? South had the opportunity to buy the Heart licence and chose not to. South had the opportunity to buy the Mariners licence and chose not to. Pity really.
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The forum didn't stick to the world cup chats for long aha
Hope I don't regret asking a few people to come watch the game tomorrow night.
A World Cup match at 8:30pm on a Saturday seemed like it needed to be an event.
The group includes people who are not football fans but are good friends.
Generally I like to watch in peace or with select people as I get so stressed aha
I have warned friends there will be no talking near the tele, no asking questions about rules or why Australia isn't very good and no jokes about soccer players falling over
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+x+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not? Um because Lowy was NOT about to pay for THE club that caused him so much embarrassment in the eyes of the Hakoa social club board and community in the 80s and instead funded Melbourne Victory in Melbourne??? Do you have another reason perhaps? Does it start with "bloody wogs" maybe? Or are you going to bring up the fact that we where on our knees financially yet still, with the tin rattling and the chook raffles could have easily stumped up the SAME amount the Victory mob did all while still having a half alive fan base, club house, home ground ... basically could have hit the ground running? Why do you think the "Melbourne franchise spot" had to start from scratch?
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+x+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that... Riddle me this: why did Glory, Adelaide, QLD and Newcastle get accepted but yours not?
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+x+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again. Yes yes Enzo I have an agenda, and Im an irrational NSL Bitter Ustase chanting Australia hating Greek sure I get that OK but my MAIN question (as always) is this. 18+ years ago the club I love was "excluded" and continues to be excluded from playing in the highest level of football in this country BECAUSE, as we where told, a new found sense of mainstream acceptance, financial clout and professionalism would take the sport of football to heights undreamed of in this country........ all for what? You HAD mainstream support, you HAD minimal crowd issues, you HAD 4 points at WC once upon a time...... c'mon man.... seriously? The price of such mediocre "success" doesn't hurt you obviously but it does me.... If we where a top 3 qualifier in Asia every cycle (JAP-SKOR-SAUD), routinely qualified out of the groups stage and had even 3 or 4 stars in top 5 leagues .... I would still be bitter about Hellas being shafted but i could console myself at least with the fact that eh the price of progress is paid in blood and all that...
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+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall We didn't only go to the Government to fund the WC bid at the time. The league funding imploded due to the GFC. The owners saw a huge reduction in their income through the gate and from sponsors and the FFA also found that it couldn't keep its commitments to the clubs and to growing the game without significant "Special Assistance" grants from the Government that were much greater in total than the spend on the WC bid.
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+x+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well???? Earlier I drafted a post then thought: "Why bother?". You have an agenda. You have an irrational hatred for Lowy. FYI Under Lowy's reign we DID have a fully pro, well run sport, we had minimal crowd issues, we had mainstream popularity and we had 4 point in WC 2006 and WC 2010. To be Frank, I'd very happy if we had that again.
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+xI assume you mean the world cup bid? Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy. Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall No I agree, the WC bid was certainly mismanaged but I am damn glad we attempted it AND grateful that Lowy had the connections to be able to lobby government to get the cash in the first place.... The bid was cringe but I dont see ot as a waste of money and damn right I would be doing cartwheels if we did land it.... No I have been asking Enzo the same question without (what I think anyway) a straight answer. Billion dollars spent and we sit around consoling each other that poor Atkinson just couldn't keep up with the greatest player in the world...... FFS Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well????
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I assume you mean the world cup bid?
Going for the World Cup was not the wrong thing to do and that money was designated for that
It would have been ridiculously massive for us and even you wouldn't have said it was dumb just coz it was Lowy.
Not being able to do that and still look after the A-League at the same time was the big mistake of that era
they thought winning the bid would be the kick start to bigger things but it was the start of the downfall
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI.Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is. People need to stop worshipping at the Cult of the Postecoglou. He was a failure as national youth coach. He coached at the 2014 WC but it was Osiek that qualified through Asia, and failed to win one point. We were one Syrian shot off the post from failing to qualify for 2018- with HIS players and style. He then bailed on his players on the eve of the World Cup because he saw the writing on the wall after the Confeds Cup. I'll give him the Asian Cup at home where a semi-final was the minimum pass mark. As for France they have never had development issues of the magnitude we have. In 2010 it was Germany's development we compared ours to Then Belgium's. Now France. Its ridiculous. We agree on something, you don't need to summarise Ange's results to me, he's talked up way too much for my liking as well (kudos on his JL/SPL wins) with all you summarised AND might I add nothing changed watching the Celts tour here the last week no matter x players missing so were from SFC and Toffs. It was the same ol same ol to me as well, nice open fast play football but lacking the finish and being exposed at the back and punished. No Enzo I'm saying nothing of comparing with France of today but his points made re developing/listenning and looking to improve our systems fell on deaf ears back in 18 as it has pre and to date - fuck the others we got to worry about ourselves, our own DNA and styles for its gone MIA and players needing standards that are needed now and ahead for we're behind whilst others keep investing and investing.If you can't see that and think its never gonna be go watch more afl. When you say investment, I'm assuming you mean more money. Where will this money come from? Government? They will ask: "How much do money do you have now, why do you need more from us and if we give to you, how will you spend it and why should we care? Especially since last time we went to the government for money every cent they gave us was pissed up against the wall? But let me guess, thats on the NSL and or Postecoglou right? hahahaha Its on everyone who was involved.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI.Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is. People need to stop worshipping at the Cult of the Postecoglou. He was a failure as national youth coach. He coached at the 2014 WC but it was Osiek that qualified through Asia, and failed to win one point. We were one Syrian shot off the post from failing to qualify for 2018- with HIS players and style. He then bailed on his players on the eve of the World Cup because he saw the writing on the wall after the Confeds Cup. I'll give him the Asian Cup at home where a semi-final was the minimum pass mark. As for France they have never had development issues of the magnitude we have. In 2010 it was Germany's development we compared ours to Then Belgium's. Now France. Its ridiculous. We agree on something, you don't need to summarise Ange's results to me, he's talked up way too much for my liking as well (kudos on his JL/SPL wins) with all you summarised AND might I add nothing changed watching the Celts tour here the last week no matter x players missing so were from SFC and Toffs. It was the same ol same ol to me as well, nice open fast play football but lacking the finish and being exposed at the back and punished. No Enzo I'm saying nothing of comparing with France of today but his points made re developing/listenning and looking to improve our systems fell on deaf ears back in 18 as it has pre and to date - fuck the others we got to worry about ourselves, our own DNA and styles for its gone MIA and players needing standards that are needed now and ahead for we're behind whilst others keep investing and investing.If you can't see that and think its never gonna be go watch more afl. When you say investment, I'm assuming you mean more money. Where will this money come from? Government? They will ask: "How much do money do you have now, why do you need more from us and if we give to you, how will you spend it and why should we care? Especially since last time we went to the government for money every cent they gave us was pissed up against the wall? But let me guess, thats on the NSL and or Postecoglou right? hahahaha
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI.Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is. People need to stop worshipping at the Cult of the Postecoglou. He was a failure as national youth coach. He coached at the 2014 WC but it was Osiek that qualified through Asia, and failed to win one point. We were one Syrian shot off the post from failing to qualify for 2018- with HIS players and style. He then bailed on his players on the eve of the World Cup because he saw the writing on the wall after the Confeds Cup. I'll give him the Asian Cup at home where a semi-final was the minimum pass mark. As for France they have never had development issues of the magnitude we have. In 2010 it was Germany's development we compared ours to Then Belgium's. Now France. Its ridiculous. We agree on something, you don't need to summarise Ange's results to me, he's talked up way too much for my liking as well (kudos on his JL/SPL wins) with all you summarised AND might I add nothing changed watching the Celts tour here the last week no matter x players missing so were from SFC and Toffs. It was the same ol same ol to me as well, nice open fast play football but lacking the finish and being exposed at the back and punished. No Enzo I'm saying nothing of comparing with France of today but his points made re developing/listenning and looking to improve our systems fell on deaf ears back in 18 as it has pre and to date - fuck the others we got to worry about ourselves, our own DNA and styles for its gone MIA and players needing standards that are needed now and ahead for we're behind whilst others keep investing and investing.If you can't see that and think its never gonna be go watch more afl. When you say investment, I'm assuming you mean more money. Where will this money come from? Government? They will ask: "How much do money do you have now, why do you need more from us and if we give to you, how will you spend it and why should we care?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI.Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is. People need to stop worshipping at the Cult of the Postecoglou. He was a failure as national youth coach. He coached at the 2014 WC but it was Osiek that qualified through Asia, and failed to win one point. We were one Syrian shot off the post from failing to qualify for 2018- with HIS players and style. He then bailed on his players on the eve of the World Cup because he saw the writing on the wall after the Confeds Cup. I'll give him the Asian Cup at home where a semi-final was the minimum pass mark. As for France they have never had development issues of the magnitude we have. In 2010 it was Germany's development we compared ours to Then Belgium's. Now France. Its ridiculous. We agree on something, you don't need to summarise Ange's results to me, he's talked up way too much for my liking as well (kudos on his JL/SPL wins) with all you summarised AND might I add nothing changed watching the Celts tour here the last week no matter x players missing so were from SFC and Toffs. It was the same ol same ol to me as well, nice open fast play football but lacking the finish and being exposed at the back and punished. No Enzo I'm saying nothing of comparing with France of today but his points made re developing/listenning and looking to improve our systems fell on deaf ears back in 18 as it has pre and to date - fuck the others we got to worry about ourselves, our own DNA and styles for its gone MIA and players needing standards that are needed now and ahead for we're behind whilst others keep investing and investing. If you can't see that and think its never gonna be go watch more afl.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI.Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is. People need to stop worshipping at the Cult of the Postecoglou. He was a failure as national youth coach. He coached at the 2014 WC but it was Osiek that qualified through Asia, and failed to win one point. We were one Syrian shot off the post from failing to qualify for 2018- with HIS players and style. He then bailed on his players on the eve of the World Cup because he saw the writing on the wall after the Confeds Cup. I'll give him the Asian Cup at home where a semi-final was the minimum pass mark. As for France they have never had development issues of the magnitude we have. In 2010 it was Germany's development we compared ours to Then Belgium's. Now France. Its ridiculous.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. Re read Anges pov aflEnzo https://apple.news/AQmOTwcCmQMuTfFhCRW8Siwwhere in that thread you quote re Arthur says you post above ? what I saw is this : The high fees are a direct result of the NPL System as designed by Football Australia and with slight changes by Member federations. Its honestly all on them. They created it, they set the requirements, they set the accredatation requirements for the Clubs and Coaches.
From the article you quote: The biggest question there is you’re seeing the result of people in France way back when they missed out in 1990 and they sat down and put together a massive plan. “You are seeing the results of that now, and you see the difference in the class and the quality. It took France THIRTY TWO YEARS to get to that point. That's THIRTY TWO YEARS LATER......Our NC began in 2007, and wasn't really adopted widely due to resistance at the grass roots clubs to any significant degree years later, so we're into it about 10 years...... Bosnich’s comment is kind of nonsensical. They missed out in 1990, but became world champions just 8 years later. So, not 32 years. It took them 8 years to produce a generation that was the best in the world. It’s just completely ridiculous to expect Australia to develop on a similar trajectory to France. They are not a useful barometer for development here. The football culture and the amount of money available for the game will simply never be comparable. agreed re Bozza Derider, my reason posting that link was Ange's POV FYI. Enzo talks out of his commercial mind set and against the ethnics, seems to not dot i's cross the t's before making some statements as well. 32yrs whereas they won in 8yrs - its not about us being able to achieve that impossible might I add. In some other things he makes sense but not in the big picture of football development. Enzo there are wrongs either side of the fence and our complications are vast and being a no3/4 behind gayfl/nrl - your mate generated the resistance in our own game in the first place hence so many barriers below the Pro league for all to see IF your nose is on the ground that is.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xEven a day later it's depressing!!! Some perspective though even the greatest right back we ever had would have struggled against Mbappe yesterday & even with our greatest 11 we would not have beaten France yesterday. The Socceroos after the first 25-30 mins were very poor, there was no fight, there was no pressure, there was no wise tactical coaching. It was just pathetic, this is what upset us all. Arnold totally out of his depth. Watching some of the other 'minnows', really does show our first touch & technical ability is still so poor. Watching the Japanese 2nd goal, that 1st touch over his head to set up the scoring chance, most Aussies cannot do this. Im not trying to be smart to you for a change but do you now understand my point about not wanting to be embarrassed again? Like Decentric says that was an awesome performance by France, they are a joy to watch. My point to you has been that we've always deficient bar Harry, Dukes & maybe a couple more Mooy, Bresc on our first touch for as long as I can remember. Ninko has a better first touch then most of our GG players. I've seen improvements but we need to be better. I don't think our view on football itself differs that much, just in our view of the administration of it. My belief is after 40 years of watching the game in this country, I would say only Dukes & Harry's first touch was world class, this is a deficiency in our coaching for a very long time, not just the 18 years of the A-league. I agree with you about pretty much everything above... My point though is this: Wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? To bring a new found professionalism and therefore money into the game? To get rid of the perception that soccer is for "sheilas wogs and pooftas"? to make our youth development the best in the region and to have us play in a so called "stronger" confederation so that we as a nation improve our standings in the world? None of this has happened in my view. Yes Aleague gets better crowds than the NSL, yes more Australians feel "acccepted" by the franchises (fuck the rest of us btw, we don't count as humans in this country I guess) and yes we have now qualified for the WC a few times .......... but what else? Is this all we should settle for? Its costs 15 times more for our youth to play now than during the NSL. our best players are benchies in second tier leagues overseas and we routinely get spanked at major tournaments.... Don't you think its time we ALL looked at what could be done better? How we can ALL progress for the betterment of OUR country? I don't see the improvement you see with player's first touch. Yes France put on an amazing performance and Mbappe is just sublime on the wing no doubt but did you not see Argentina's 1st 45 mins against the Saudis? I thought that was devastating football and the fact the Saudis hung on for dear life, squeezed them high and got 4 goals disallowed by millimetres was more a testament to how amazingly out of their skins the Saudis played than that Messi and co were off that night. Well your view is patently wrong: 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars 2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. 3. We do play in a stronger confed 4. Youth development as Arthur here says : The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? You really have an irrational hatred for Lowy. I didnt state who was to blame specifically just that this "clear out" doesn't seem to have produced the results we were promised.... You wrote:
wasn't the whole point of the "Frank Lowy New Dawn FFA Pty Ltd" to fix all this? Well wasn't it? I hate that Frank Lowy turned Australian Soccer into a Shopping Centre plastic franchise ponzi scheme for his own amusement but the way it was sold to the football loving public was that by clearing out the "old soccer" it would pave the way for a new found football revolution... 18 years and donuts???? Frank isnt to blame anymore but he certainly "lit the burners" on this dumpster fire He achieved all the things you said he didn't. The NC hasn't produced the technical players it was designed to. The reasons are complex. The solution is not tunr back to the clock relying on the children of European mmigrants in the 1970's. That source has dried up-China and India are now our top 2 sources of immigrants. Other than Sarpreet Singh-and he's a NZer- not one player has come from those communities. So that strategy won't work. Relying on under 100k Sudanese refugees is also not a long term strategy. Not sure where the children of European immigrants comes into this particular conversation? Im talking about Australian children (yes some of them happen to be the children OF children of European immigrants, while other can trace their ancestors back to the first colonial invaders.... so what?) 1. There has been a "new found professionalism and as a result(vastly) more more money like over a $billion dollars Sure, as I stated, but that money (up until recently) has not been used in any way to benefit the national team setup (in fact we clsoed the AIS, FUTSAL program, beach soccer etc etc just for this reason) Happy that Lowy's mates got ROI but my point is that billion dollars hasnt led to a state of the art national football academy and world class player snow has it?
2. The wogs, sheilas and poofters perception is still there but far less than it was. Seems to me the MSM sink the boot into soccer at the drop of hate no more no less than the ALWAYS did..... Soccer is still not dinky di in the mainstream just because a bunch of anglo kids now also play FIFA and light flares and break seats at the Victory games.3. We do play in a stronger confed Stronger than Oceania, yes I agree with you there but we still rely on dumb luck intercontinental playoffs to qualify for world cups.... sorry for me it JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH... if you are comfortable with this so called "progress" I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.4. Youth development as Arthur here says :The FFA NC was a good document to improve the development of players, but it wasn't implemented properly along with the resistant to change it also needed to be evolved over time which hasn't been done. Is that Lowy's fault that the those at the grass roots fucked up the implmentation, unwittingly or deliberately? OK .... so the grass roots coaching failed the NC but the billion dollar Aleague "industry" surely covered the defecit somewhat? Im sure there are dozens of players, that started SAP and NC programs at Aleague academies over the last 18 years, marching to the prescribed Dutch tune .... where do most of them play again? Look, the NC was the result of an assessment of what our weakness and strengths were, and a framework to get the whole of football on the same page for youth development that could work for us. When the FFA found there was deliberate resistance to its implementation at the grass roots, I recall the TD going off his nut at those clubs and coaches. Whose fault is that? The FFA's, right? Im still not convinced that a NC (without the physical and administrative structures to properly implement it (academies, centres of excellence, call it whatever you want) is the way to go but then again Im not part of the football technically trained "milieu" of brainwashed neophytes so what would I know?.... As an outsider I can see (again this is just the perception I get) that franchises see youth development as a cost NOT as an obligation. Some NPL clubs see it is a way to either profit or jockey for some sort of hierarchical power (this is the fault of the state federations in my opinion) and the grass roots sees youth development as the top levels poaching their best players to no reward for them. FFA/FA is supposed to be the overseer of football in Australia yeah? If they decided that a TD and adutch NC was the way to go and found that it was not being coached properly was the right move to make coaches pay 11 thousand dollars to get a meaningless (not recognised pretty much outside AFC at best) FFA coaching license and force NPL clubs to "coach the syllabus" driving cost of participation through the roof? Circling back to my first fundamental question .... Frank Lowy, the white knight of Australia Soccer rode in on his Westfield horse, vanquished the corrupt, inept, effnik run Soccer Australia, punished the little tinpot clubs that did him wrong in the 80s and promised his mate ol fuzzy ears Howard that we would be a professional well run sport, no crowd issues, mainstream popularity and sporting results on the world stage....... well????
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