The A-League has finally won some respect?


The A-League has finally won some respect?

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LFC. - 2 Dec 2022 8:04 PM
jas88 - 2 Dec 2022 7:46 PM


Seriously guys how would you look at it if this comp was presented to you to run manage and sell.


got to stop 'worrying' about other codes and just do whats best for the sport. 

I dont mind the AL season being played in the warmer months i have an issue with the season being short and the lack of alignment with the NPL we need to make a change to align both and we need to make the season at least 8 months - personally i would get rid of finals and add in another round of every team plays each other 

however i understand commercially this probably doesnt work  

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tomw - 2 Dec 2022 7:18 PM
PGR - 1 Dec 2022 9:30 PM

With Paramount/10 going for the cricket, I wonder if they might prefer to have some winter sport...

Maybe - but it also might be something that will push them to improve the Paramount streaming service. How much cricket will be on Paramount, how much on 10, how much on 10 Bold.

It could actually benefit football with cross-promotion between the codes. If 10/Paramount becomes a home for cricket and football (and whatever other sports Paramount have access to) then it can be the go-to streaming service for sport.

There are some reports that the largest streaming services worldwide in the near medium term will be ESPN and Paramount+. The bonus with Paramount is that many of the shows and movies that are Netflix are now coming to their run on Netflix and will return to the Paramount libraries.        
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jas88 - 2 Dec 2022 7:46 PM
only it works during winter is moving some games midweek and using smaller stadiums that are easily accessible.

bingo for starters, the used large stadiums are ridiculous.

You decide to launch your product in the safety of not competing against the bigger or popular 1 2 3 codes.
No planB or C in case of set backs or curve balls, whats the concern of losing audience/gate takings ( in winter) for only so few get good support (MV likely lose's a good % who'll go to AFL) what about the other 50% in the program who's gate takings are bugger all, wouldn't cover their running weekend costs but getting their cut from ALM HQ.
Its taken 20+ yrs for the MLS get some sort of following But they have farfar far more well off owners and population to draw on and used to Franchise/Conference systems and they still don't gain much respect in the football world.
Looking ahead the ALM is going to struggle growing where they hope to be for as we know kids/adults have many other interests today and wherever they are can view online instead of attending games.

The hardcore of support hidden below are the ones many mock, your dreaming and once the WC ends and old news it will be back to normal stations, sorry just how it goes here we've been there done that.
The biggest bait is openning up that won't happen as we know.
NSD is the future to pull more supporters in at that end BUT where is the ALM going to draw new supporter/s and how long will it take if its model is as it is.
Look at the struggling ones right now and the Champ without a home ground.
Seriously guys how would you look at it if this comp was presented to you to run manage and sell.



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only it works during winter is moving some games midweek and using smaller stadiums that are easily accessible.
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tomw - 2 Dec 2022 7:18 PM
PGR - 1 Dec 2022 9:30 PM

With Paramount/10 going for the cricket, I wonder if they might prefer to have some winter sport...

There's more sports taking on the summer timeslots than ever before.

Going to a winter time slot is a good discussion to have right now. It will provide a better standard of football but at what price?

Anything that penalizes attendance and income needs to be considered but a drop of 10% or more will squash any winter football ambition.
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PGR - 1 Dec 2022 9:30 PM
someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 8:23 PM

Clearly it's because it's preferred by the TV owners and gets better airtime in summer due to less competition from other codes.

All that equals to improved sponsorship and more money.

With Paramount/10 going for the cricket, I wonder if they might prefer to have some winter sport...

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Monoethnic Social Club - 2 Dec 2022 5:07 PM
I didnt realise the Aleague craved respect? I though they just wanted a ROI????? 

Mono I find your contributions very entertaining (if sometimes tediously defensive about NSL/NPL/ethnicity).

Why can't you be part of the solution? Oz football will never start to reach its true potential until all true believers are facing in the same direction.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 2 Dec 2022 5:51 PM
grazorblade - 2 Dec 2022 5:43 PM

They are all busy learning more about the Saudi League and brushing up on their arabic chants in preparation for the mighty "Ronaldo of Arabia" to notice the Aleague :)

You take every opportunity to crap on the A-League, we know.

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soccerfoo - 2 Dec 2022 5:29 PM
No the ALeague has not got respect overseas. Those in the know realize this is a handicapped league. Others don't even realize Australia has a pro league. Other Leagues spend ALOT MORE on better players. Here is one example of many, take ESPN fc's Craig Burley, everytime Socceroos or other nations of similar quality get a mention, he misses the show or is condescending and bothered. Continued success by the Socceroos and continual growth of the football code along with going two generations into the future, A League would then get the respect. The current generation have to die out unfortunately.
We don't even have two divisions, at least with pro/rel, transfer market income streams and 14-16 teams. The league is too small, we don't even play 30 rounds of the season proper, besides Australia Cup.
The WC will end and within a couple of days the Socceroos exploits will be in the back of the mind, not at the front like now, lets be honest about this. All the problems are not suddenly solved. Well done to the Socceroos, they have been great value for the moment.

There are many countries that don't respect their league.

I'm in a mad football country now, and they think their league is shit. When I look at their standard, it's on par or maybe a little less than the A-League and I don't think it's shit.

Trouble is, everyone wants to have a Premier League, Serie A, Bundesliga etc which is a fine ambition but...........
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grazorblade - 2 Dec 2022 5:43 PM
To be clear i doubt many of us care about getting respect in europe it is local eurosnobs respecting the game and therefore getting involved locally that matters

They are all busy learning more about the Saudi League and brushing up on their arabic chants in preparation for the mighty "Ronaldo of Arabia" to notice the Aleague :)
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To be clear i doubt many of us care about getting respect in europe it is local eurosnobs respecting the game and therefore getting involved locally that matters
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No the ALeague has not got respect overseas. Those in the know realize this is a handicapped league. Others don't even realize Australia has a pro league. Other Leagues spend ALOT MORE on better players. Here is one example of many, take ESPN fc's Craig Burley, everytime Socceroos or other nations of similar quality get a mention, he misses the show or is condescending and bothered. Continued success by the Socceroos and continual growth of the football code along with going two generations into the future, A League would then get the respect. The current generation have to die out unfortunately.
We don't even have two divisions, with pro/rel, transfer market income streams and 14-16 teams. The league is too small, we don't even play 30 rounds of the season proper, besides Australia Cup.
The WC will end and within a couple of days the Socceroos exploits will be in the back of the mind, not at the front like now, lets be honest about this. All the problems are not suddenly solved. Well done to the Socceroos, they have been great value for the moment.
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I didnt realise the Aleague craved respect? I though they just wanted a ROI????? 
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When going through the start line up vsing the Danes......if I'm right 7 of them have done their time OS more than any AL Club.
4 AL.
Subs more AL and some OS Karacic/Hrustic/Cummings/Wright but you can't say they have done much game time.
Just a matter of opinion.
I'll say it again, Arnie quoted when starting up he looked here there was not much to pick so he went to the Olyroos.
Re read it
https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/world-cup/fifa-world-cup-2022-graham-arnold-calls-for-review-of-australian-youth-development-on-eve-of-socceroos-v-denmark/news-story/f2bbc095f815744706d664d2035de11b
“When you’re ringing A-League coaches and you’re talking about two players per club… I could barely get a squad together to go to Thailand and to Cambodia.
“It’s not right. We need kids more given an opportunity in Australia. For me there’s massive concerns for the future moving forward unless it’s fixed. It was a quick fix, that’s why I did the Olympic team for nothing.“That’s why I had to do it, for a reason, when I asked the organisation ‘what’s the Olympic program’ and it’s ten days preparation with a team that didn’t have a coach two months before. Those type of things are not right.”



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Depends from whose perspective. 

If you're talking about outsiders from Euro looking in, then NO I don't believe any respect has been gained. These snobs live in a fishbowl. They only care about their tiny milieu, everything else sucks. 

Hell even rusted on EPL supporters call Ligue 1 a 'Farmers League'. 

That being said, locally, I think the world cup performance is a real shot in the arm for the league.
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PGR - 1 Dec 2022 9:30 PM
someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 8:23 PM

Clearly it's because it's preferred by the TV owners and gets better airtime in summer due to less competition from other codes.

All that equals to improved sponsorship and more money.

the   Ca$$$h , " TV  owners "  etc
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someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 8:23 PM
Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 5:46 PM

They don't. The agreement between the APL and the FA is that the FA chooses which months the A-League takes place over and the APL does the fixture for the individual matches. So the question is why doesn't the FA choose winter? It's a great question. Can't say for sure but probably fear. Which seems to be a fear based on gut feelings rather than actual evidence. 

Clearly it's because it's preferred by the TV owners and gets better airtime in summer due to less competition from other codes.

All that equals to improved sponsorship and more money.
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Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 5:46 PM
someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 5:38 PM

Why    does   the   APL   choose   to   play  its   league   over   summer ?  Why   doesn' t    the   APL    just   play  it   in   Winter ?



They don't. The agreement between the APL and the FA is that the FA chooses which months the A-League takes place over and the APL does the fixture for the individual matches. So the question is why doesn't the FA choose winter? It's a great question. Can't say for sure but probably fear. Which seems to be a fear based on gut feelings rather than actual evidence. 
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huddo - 1 Dec 2022 8:04 PM
Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 6:45 PM

Code can't survive on thin air 

Are   you   suggesting   that    the   APL   is   more   concerned   with   Metrics    than  the   quality    of   the  football ?
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Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 6:45 PM
Balin Trev - 1 Dec 2022 6:42 PM

So   why   doesn' t   the   APL   choose   to  play   over   Winter  then ?

Code can't survive on thin air 
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My colleague was raving about Leckie's goal today and I said, you know what, you can see him doing similar things week in week out just down the road. She's got a young kid into football so it might just translate into a crowd bump.

I think the World Cup shows just how fine a margin it can be between different levels. Like, obviously Eriksen is a class player but surround him with players of slightly lesser ability and he doesn't particularly stand out. Meanwhile, Mitch Duke seems to have a game style that's more or less as effective at A-League level as it is here on the world stage. That maybe a slightly uncouth style, but not denying he's a supreme athlete and a pest. 
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Balin Trev - 1 Dec 2022 6:42 PM
Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 6:11 PM

No. But the eggball codes are definitely competition for them which doesn’t help 

So   why   doesn' t   the   APL   choose   to  play   over   Winter  then ?
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Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 6:11 PM
Balin Trev - 1 Dec 2022 6:06 PM

Are   you    suggesting   that    the   APL   is   more   concerned   with    Metrics   than   the   quality   of    the   football ?

No. But the eggball codes are definitely competition for them which doesn’t help 
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Balin Trev - 1 Dec 2022 6:06 PM
grazorblade - 1 Dec 2022 5:48 PM

Plus competing with AFL and NRL for attendance and viewers 

Are   you    suggesting   that    the   APL   is   more   concerned   with    Metrics   than   the   quality   of    the   football ?
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Davstar - 1 Dec 2022 5:14 PM
The world cup is 'the biggest stage' - these games are not friendlies, the opposition are no mugs, every team in Qatar is there by right. 



Except Qatar...

Socceroos were the head stories tonight on Ch 9 news and lasted 9 minutes. 

That is meaningful, even if they do insist on calling football soccer.
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grazorblade - 1 Dec 2022 5:48 PM
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during the nsl era they found that winter football has 10% more passes per 90 minutes but at the cost of 30% lower crowds

Plus competing with AFL and NRL for attendance and viewers 🙁
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Remote Control - 1 Dec 2022 5:46 PM
someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 5:38 PM

Why    does   the   APL   choose   to   play  its   league   over   summer ?  Why   doesn' t    the   APL    just   play  it   in   Winter ?



during the nsl era they found that winter football has 10% more passes per 90 minutes but at the cost of 30% lower crowds
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If 2 consecutive WCup wins by a squad of many A league players can’t win respect then nothing can?!

hopefully- even if the Roos lose to Argentina- more new fans will start attending/watching AL games 
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someguyjc - 1 Dec 2022 5:38 PM
Davide82 - 1 Dec 2022 5:23 PM

That being said, the summer does us no favours. The A-League is definitely slower paced in comparison. 

Why    does   the   APL   choose   to   play  its   league   over   summer ?  Why   doesn' t    the   APL    just   play  it   in   Winter ?



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Davide82 - 1 Dec 2022 5:23 PM
The A-League is a good league.

Yes it is hamstrung by various suits but if you just look at on the pitch it is a good league.

People are WAY too harsh on it and see only what they want to see.

It's not the premier league but only the premier league is the premier league and people need to get over it.


Exactly. If we isolate the football alone, the A-League is exactly what you'd expect for the money that is spent on it. I'd say in many cases, some squads perform well above their dollar value. EFL League One is probably the most similar when it comes to dollar values, and I'd say the quality is pretty similar. Our best squads probably wouldn't be quite good enough to get promoted, but they would definitely be competitive in League One. That being said, the summer does us no favours. The A-League is definitely slower paced in comparison. 
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