Suppose the contract is locked in for 3 years. What steps from the APL would bring you back


Suppose the contract is locked in for 3 years. What steps from the APL...

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Suppose the contract is locked in for 3 years. What steps from the APL would bring you back

0% - 0 votes A guarantee the finals format reverts to normal after 3 years
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6.25% - 1 vote The money spent on bringing back the youth league
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37.5% - 6 votes Restructuring the board (e.g. to give fan groups a formal voice or other restructuring, explain below)
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56.25% - 9 votes Nothing! I am done!
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Just reading another article that the A-League clubs have lost a total of $120 million over the previous two seasons.
That's serious money.
Paramount has cut the broadcast revenues because the A-League failed to meet benchmarks - so the situation might actually get worse this season.

All in all, in strict financial terms, the A-League is rooted - that's why it's chasing money from any source it can find.

And with Silverlake controlling one third of the league, it doesn't take too much imagination to work out:
1.  who the primary mover might have been, and
2.  with 2 Sydney clubs represented on the board - there would have been some eager seconders!!

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tsf - 16 Dec 2022 7:26 AM
PGR - 14 Dec 2022 11:13 PM


Not everything in life need to be sold off to the highest bidder and run according to accountants.

or should we all go out and get the sponsor tattooed across our eyelids? 

Does my previous comments that you have responded to suggest that everything in life needs to be sold off or run only according to accountants when I said this?

"That's why I'm suggesting we look at the best of both worlds with due consideration to finances".



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Are you telling me the old wogs on the club boards weren't using the clubs to do business deals behind the scenes unrelated to football?

I'm not defending the current set up at all by the way

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bettega - 16 Dec 2022 2:40 PM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:46 AM


The extraordinary thing is that the reigning champion is actually there primarily to run a construction firm.

Not that you'd ever know it
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AJF - 16 Dec 2022 2:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:27 PM

Old Davide82 must be a closet SMH fan.....

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The concentration in his face ahaha
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Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:46 AM
bettega - 16 Dec 2022 10:59 AM

Oh c'mon.
All these clubs put their club first not the greater good of the game.
This romanticising the past is just as bad as the bagging of it

Yes, in the sense that football clubs want to be successful in a football league.
But it's still about football.
They weren't in it to make a buck (you could never accuse NSL clubs of being in it for the money).
They weren't in it to recruit players for the main club overseas, or to help with overseas tax planning.
They weren't in it to try and grab cheap land to build housing projects.
The people that currently own  the A-League have a range of interests, none of which are about football.
The extraordinary thing is that the reigning champion is actually there primarily to run a construction firm.

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AJF - 16 Dec 2022 2:15 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:27 PM

Old Davide82 must be a closet SMH fan.....

South Melbourne's Kristian Konstantinidis handed six month suspension for  incident resembling Hopoate : r/Aleague


https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/south-melbournes-kristian-konstantinidis-receives-sixmonth-ban-for-inappropriate-physical-conduct/news-story/b58857b9b2c38a867047651dfac977f4

OH hahahahahahah too funny HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAH good ol Kristian Kolodachtilo... HAHAHAHAAH 
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Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 2:08 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:27 PM

ahahahaaaaaa I properly laughed but trust a Greek to notice

Hahahah hence the phrase "unna razza una fazza" hahahahahahah
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:27 PM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 1:20 PM

Youve put "arsed" and "thumbs up" far too close together syntactically? hahahahaha Freudian maybe?

Old Davide82 must be a closet SMH fan.....

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/south-melbournes-kristian-konstantinidis-receives-sixmonth-ban-for-inappropriate-physical-conduct/news-story/b58857b9b2c38a867047651dfac977f4









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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:26 PM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:42 AM

hahahah no bud, thats the ONE thing I can promise you, with all sincerity, I havent done..... I actually thought about trying to set up another account a while ago when you basically spent a whole week replying to every single one of my posts with "go fuck yourself" .... I was gonna respond to your posts and say "Yeah you filthy wog, like Davide says, go fuck yourself" hahahahahahah It would have been great fun. If I do ever, my second "persona" will be "Sir Frank" hahahahaha
It makes me laugh when others do it though, earlier in the week I caught a fascinating conversation on performance based, coaching specific analysis criteria between one poster and his imagination .... c'est tres amusant . :)

:D he's the master

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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:27 PM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 1:20 PM

Youve put "arsed" and "thumbs up" far too close together syntactically? hahahahaha Freudian maybe?

ahahahaaaaaa I properly laughed but trust a Greek to notice
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Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 1:20 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:15 PM

Reductionist and disingenuous but I'm in a good mood today and can't be arsed *thumbsup*

Youve put "arsed" and "thumbs up" far too close together syntactically? hahahahaha Freudian maybe?
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Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:42 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:07 AM

I have no idea why he ever bothers changing names here.
I'm sure you have too but not as often at least aha

hahahah no bud, thats the ONE thing I can promise you, with all sincerity, I havent done..... I actually thought about trying to set up another account a while ago when you basically spent a whole week replying to every single one of my posts with "go fuck yourself" .... I was gonna respond to your posts and say "Yeah you filthy wog, like Davide says, go fuck yourself" hahahahahahah It would have been great fun. If I do ever, my second "persona" will be "Sir Frank" hahahahaha
It makes me laugh when others do it though, earlier in the week I caught a fascinating conversation on performance based, coaching specific analysis criteria between one poster and his imagination .... c'est tres amusant . :)
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 1:15 PM
Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:46 AM

Yeah mate, ofcourse they did..... they put their "FOOTBALL" clubs first. thats the point Bettega is trying to make... 
Strong clubs = "the greater good of the game" not how much revenue does Silverlake stand to make out of it?

Reductionist and disingenuous but I'm in a good mood today and can't be arsed *thumbsup*
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Davide82 - 16 Dec 2022 11:46 AM
bettega - 16 Dec 2022 10:59 AM

Oh c'mon.
All these clubs put their club first not the greater good of the game.
This romanticising the past is just as bad as the bagging of it

Yeah mate, ofcourse they did..... they put their "FOOTBALL" clubs first. thats the point Bettega is trying to make... 
Strong clubs = "the greater good of the game" not how much revenue does Silverlake stand to make out of it?
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bettega - 16 Dec 2022 10:59 AM
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But the truth is - if you are talking about clubs that have always put football 1st, 2nd and 3rd, then you are talking about the likes of Hellas, Melbourne Croatia, Marconi, APIA, the various OLympics, etc, etc

Oh c'mon.
All these clubs put their club first not the greater good of the game.
This romanticising the past is just as bad as the bagging of it
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:07 AM
PGR - 15 Dec 2022 7:03 PM
Still spelling "culture" wrong Paulie? hahahahahahah 


I have no idea why he ever bothers changing names here.
I'm sure you have too but not as often at least aha
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Munrubenmuz - 16 Dec 2022 8:18 AM
tsf - 16 Dec 2022 7:26 AM

Exactly right. I'd imagine if they wanted to make even more money they could get sponsors painted all over the ground like they do in the NRL or the basketball but they don't. 

Probably shouldn't give them ideas.

I actually dont care as long as it doesnt affect the integrity of the pitch. Heck put sponsors on top of sponsors for all i care

if the a league must be a business thats life and the nsd means all of footballs eggs arent in one basket. Having a high wage league in oz probably needs some hard nosed business decisions

the way fans have been engaged with here is terrible business. If you are going to run things like a business run it like a good business
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bettega - 16 Dec 2022 10:59 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:50 AM


Yes, it's true, the seeds were sown by Lowy - who was given carte blanche by the then Federal Government (plus tens of millions of dollars) to shape Australian football in any way he wanted - he had sole authority - and his very, very first step was to tell the ethnic clubs that they had no future in the new order.
But the truth is - if you are talking about clubs that have always put football 1st, 2nd and 3rd, then you are talking about the likes of Hellas, Melbourne Croatia, Marconi, APIA, the various OLympics, etc, etc

Sorry mate, this is simply NOT true as much as I obviously love my club above all others.... Every single football club in Australia, from the amateur leagues to NPL 1 put football first... Frankston Pines FC is no less, no more a football club than South Melbourne FC...... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:50 AM
tsf - 16 Dec 2022 10:17 AM

Of course, the golden rule in any business is "Know your market"  I SHOULD be gloating about this in all fairness but I feel for all of the fans who feel so betrayed by their so called "clubs" The wages of "professional main stream success" are paid in "business only decisions" and if you are not involved in the decision you just have to put up with the outcomes or leave.
The fact that these investors (mainly the foreign ones) just want to make a buck out of gullible "soccer consumers" shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.... This is what Lowy dreamed about...... This is what "football but not as you know it" was ALWAYS all about.... 
In my humble opinion the questions shouldn't be "What can APL do to win you back as a consumer?" it should now be "What can we, as a football loving public, do to make sure the game we all love is NEVER again controlled by people who dont give a fuck about it?"
Perfect time to get involved as a voting member with any club in Australia (or even push your NPL franchises to set up as member controlled clubs outside the Aleague at least) . If the whole I don't like effnik people thing is a limitation then join one of the hundreds of non effnik NPL or state league clubs, get a a bunch of mates together and start playing "football manager" in real life... The clubs outside the APL umbrella are loving the new membership boost this has created and with pro/rel on the horizon to NSD planned this could be the circuit breaker need to finally get rid of the "new football v old soccer" divide old Franky created... Finally just "Aussie football"


Yes, it's true, the seeds were sown by Lowy - who was given carte blanche by the then Federal Government (plus tens of millions of dollars) to shape Australian football in any way he wanted - he had sole authority - and his very, very first step was to tell the ethnic clubs that they had no future in the new order.
But the truth is - if you are talking about clubs that have always put football 1st, 2nd and 3rd, then you are talking about the likes of Hellas, Melbourne Croatia, Marconi, APIA, the various OLympics, etc, etc

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tsf - 16 Dec 2022 10:17 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:10 AM

I understand the realities but the blow back on this decision shows it BAD business. IMO lot more decisions could be made for a financially strong league. 

It's like the 'Subway' socceroos. This is not necessary. And to me damages long term. 

Of course, the golden rule in any business is "Know your market"  I SHOULD be gloating about this in all fairness but I feel for all of the fans who feel so betrayed by their so called "clubs" The wages of "professional main stream success" are paid in "business only decisions" and if you are not involved in the decision you just have to put up with the outcomes or leave.
The fact that these investors (mainly the foreign ones) just want to make a buck out of gullible "soccer consumers" shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.... This is what Lowy dreamed about...... This is what "football but not as you know it" was ALWAYS all about.... 
In my humble opinion the questions shouldn't be "What can APL do to win you back as a consumer?" it should now be "What can we, as a football loving public, do to make sure the game we all love is NEVER again controlled by people who dont give a fuck about it?"
Perfect time to get involved as a voting member with any club in Australia (or even push your NPL franchises to set up as member controlled clubs outside the Aleague at least) . If the whole I don't like effnik people thing is a limitation then join one of the hundreds of non effnik NPL or state league clubs, get a a bunch of mates together and start playing "football manager" in real life... The clubs outside the APL umbrella are loving the new membership boost this has created and with pro/rel on the horizon to NSD planned this could be the circuit breaker need to finally get rid of the "new football v old soccer" divide old Franky created... Finally just "Aussie football"
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An overseas foreign investment firm owns one third of the APL and is entitled to cream off one-third of all gross revenues in peretuity.
As if they are going to give a damn about anything apart from trying to get all their money back plus some.

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Monoethnic Social Club - 16 Dec 2022 10:10 AM
Munrubenmuz - 16 Dec 2022 8:18 AM

Guys, I get your anger but these are business...... 
The sad reality is that according to Australian law, the board of the APL is responsible to its shareholders and so YES "everything in life need to be sold off to the highest bidder and run according to accountants"

I understand the realities but the blow back on this decision shows it BAD business. IMO lot more decisions could be made for a financially strong league. 

It's like the 'Subway' socceroos. This is not necessary. And to me damages long term. 
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Munrubenmuz - 16 Dec 2022 8:18 AM
tsf - 16 Dec 2022 7:26 AM

Exactly right. I'd imagine if they wanted to make even more money they could get sponsors painted all over the ground like they do in the NRL or the basketball but they don't. 

Probably shouldn't give them ideas.

Guys, I get your anger but these are business...... 
The sad reality is that according to Australian law, the board of the APL is responsible to its shareholders and so YES "everything in life need to be sold off to the highest bidder and run according to accountants"
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PGR - 15 Dec 2022 7:03 PM
Barca4Life - 15 Dec 2022 11:59 AM

Taking it too far towards the traditionalist end because that's the kulcha, is not the way either. Not in this era. That's why I'm suggesting we look at the best of both worlds with due consideration to finances. There has to be compromises to make it work.




Still spelling "culture" wrong Paulie? hahahahahahah 


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Sorry, but I don’t accept the “cop the 3 years and back to normal" suggestion. I will just boycott for 3 years.

The new CCM owner said it was a lose/lose situation. But I think that’s too simplistic. One situation is a loss that we can recover from. The other situation is a loss that we probably can’t recover from. And they voted for the wrong one. 

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tsf - 16 Dec 2022 7:26 AM
PGR - 14 Dec 2022 11:13 PM


Not everything in life need to be sold off to the highest bidder and run according to accountants.

or should we all go out and get the sponsor tattooed across our eyelids? 

Exactly right. I'd imagine if they wanted to make even more money they could get sponsors painted all over the ground like they do in the NRL or the basketball but they don't. 

Probably shouldn't give them ideas.


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PGR - 14 Dec 2022 11:13 PM
Barca4Life - 14 Dec 2022 10:03 PM

Modern sport is a business and you can't necessarily run it purely based on a football traditionalists way of doing things. 



Not everything in life need to be sold off to the highest bidder and run according to accountants.

or should we all go out and get the sponsor tattooed across our eyelids? 

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Every time a football tradionalist implies that it can't get any worse, when they get it, it gets worse.
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The only way Clubs get into the NSD if you've read the amount of press about it is agreeing by the contract of all the stipulations you mention, more so finances and running the Club, move on.
Nothing ventured nothing gained, surely after all these years incl the train wreck NSL was to now the AL/ALM this 2nd level has enough intel looking back on the so so many wrongs and avoid many of the mistakes of the past.
Sure it wont be perfect but they've been tin pots, seen the Pro's screw themselves up, can dumb and dumber be bettered :) fingers crossed not.



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