Kisnorbo set for Ligue 1 coaching debut [Comments]


Kisnorbo set for Ligue 1 coaching debut [Comments]

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Should of taken bos with him 
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wont sack him, its a pilot to see if they can find a pathway for coaches to advance via their clubs. CFG see it as long term investment. 
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Host Monaco Sunday
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Monaco equalise on 80. Ten to go! 
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2:1 Monaco just like that. Can't just be the coach when it comes to not closing out games. 
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2:2!!!
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Not bad ... a 1-1 home draw to third place Monaco. But Paddy still in the relegation zone second from the bottom. And in France's Ligue 1, four teams get the chop.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IcjNZavvuU

Highlights. Well done to get a point. I know it's been discussed and I think he'd have a rough time but if there were any time for Maclaren to have one final stint abroad....Tilio though. This team and level would be ideal for him to play every week.
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johnsmith - 6 Mar 2023 2:40 PM
Not bad ... a 1-1 home draw to third place Monaco. But Paddy still in the relegation zone second from the bottom. And in France's Ligue 1, four teams get the chop.

Did some of the famous johnsmith research skills lead to you posting this?
The correct score was even the post directly before yours
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johnsmith - 6 Mar 2023 2:40 PM
Not bad ... a 1-1 home draw to third place Monaco. But Paddy still in the relegation zone second from the bottom. And in France's Ligue 1, four teams get the chop.

It's a tough season with 4 instead of 2 clubs getting relegated as the league re-sizes its top division. 
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Another one bites the dust. Troyes, playing away, loses to Lorient 2-0.

Second from the bottom. Eleven more games till the end of the season.
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johnsmith - 13 Mar 2023 11:39 AM
Another one bites the dust. Troyes, playing away, loses to Lorient 2-0.

Second from the bottom. Eleven more games till the end of the season.

You seem to be oddly excited by Paddy's poor results Mr Smith... Can I ask why?
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Monoethnic Social Club - 14 Mar 2023 9:49 AM
johnsmith - 13 Mar 2023 11:39 AM

You seem to be oddly excited by Paddy's poor results Mr Smith... Can I ask why?

Ask yourself: Am I (a) excited by Paddy's poor results, or (b) am I a fan of Paddy, and concerned at his poor results?

I've been a fan of Patrick KIsnorbo ever since his days at Leicester and Leeds where he showed great courage as a defender, even with head injuries. I was terribly disappointed when injury robbed him at the last moment of a place in the World Cup 2010 squad, and therefore I was enthusiastic how he brought a sense of fighting spirit as a coach at Melbourne City.

So I'm speaking as a big fan of his, and am troubled by the poor performance of Troyes under his management.

For instance, last weekend, Troyes playing at home only managed a draw against 16th-placed Brest. This helped Troyes climb up the ladder but still in the relegation zone.

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johnsmith - 24 Mar 2023 11:15 AM
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Ask yourself: Am I (a) excited by Paddy's poor results, or (b) am I a fan of Paddy, and concerned at his poor results?

I've been a fan of Patrick KIsnorbo ever since his days at Leicester and Leeds where he showed great courage as a defender, even with head injuries. I was terribly disappointed when injury robbed him at the last moment of a place in the World Cup 2010 squad, and therefore I was enthusiastic how he brought a sense of fighting spirit as a coach at Melbourne City.

So I'm speaking as a big fan of his, and am troubled by the poor performance of Troyes under his management.

For instance, last weekend, Troyes playing at home only managed a draw against 16th-placed Brest. This helped Troyes climb up the ladder but still in the relegation zone.

I will ask myself nothing of the sort Mr Smith. Just a little curious as to your "approach" to your so called fandom of big Paddy. I cant seem to remember any posts from you about Paddy's career prior to him heading off overseas to try his luck (not that I have tried to look mind you) its just that your "reporting" of another poor result appears (at least to me) to be gloating rather than empathy.... Carry on being you.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 24 Mar 2023 11:23 AM
johnsmith - 24 Mar 2023 11:15 AM

I will ask myself nothing of the sort Mr Smith. Just a little curious as to your "approach" to your so called fandom of big Paddy. I cant seem to remember any posts from you about Paddy's career prior to him heading off overseas to try his luck (not that I have tried to look mind you) its just that your "reporting" of another poor result appears (at least to me) to be gloating rather than empathy.... Carry on being you.

Thanks for the good feedback. Your comments reinforced my long-held understanding that social media and the written text is the worst vehicle for communicating true intentions, because there are no visual cues or facial body language to fill in the gaps. Your comments are a good reminder to me, for other areas of communication too. So when I report in the future on defeats to Paddy's team, I'll try to make it clearer in my writing and show that I'm saddened by the result :(
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johnsmith - 24 Mar 2023 2:38 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 24 Mar 2023 11:23 AM

Thanks for the good feedback. Your comments reinforced my long-held understanding that social media and the written text is the worst vehicle for communicating true intentions, because there are no visual cues or facial body language to fill in the gaps. Your comments are a good reminder to me, for other areas of communication too. So when I report in the future on defeats to Paddy's team, I'll try to make it clearer in my writing and show that I'm saddened by the result :(
You are very welcome and I agree that communication online can be a quagmire of mixed intentions. I was honestly just curious as to what I perceived as hostility against an Aussie bloke doing his best to forge a career overseas.. all good.

I hope to hear some positive "reports" over the next few rounds against Auxerre and Clemont Foot....  OM may well be a "bridge too far" though... 



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johnsmith - 24 Mar 2023 2:38 PM
Monoethnic Social Club - 24 Mar 2023 11:23 AM

Thanks for the good feedback. Your comments reinforced my long-held understanding that social media and the written text is the worst vehicle for communicating true intentions, because there are no visual cues or facial body language to fill in the gaps. Your comments are a good reminder to me, for other areas of communication too. So when I report in the future on defeats to Paddy's team, I'll try to make it clearer in my writing and show that I'm saddened by the result :(

Post what you feel Johnno. Mono insults virtually anyone except a couple of his pub mates on here.
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Disappointed to see Troyes suffer a 1-0 loss to fellow relegation-struggler Auxerre playing away. If Kisnorbo is going to have any hope of avoiding relegation, Troyes is going to have to beat those teams fighting to avoid relegation, which is not happening.
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shame about last night

higher possession, higher xg, should have one. Perhaps a team short on confidence

Anyone have any analysis about why he is not winning games?
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I'm getting the impression that Kisnorbo's Troyes will be relegated. No spark of change. They played at home but there defeated 2-0 by mid-table Clermont Foot.
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grazorblade - 2 Apr 2023 12:09 PM
shame about last night

higher possession, higher xg, should have one. Perhaps a team short on confidence

Anyone have any analysis about why he is not winning games?

https://footystats.org/clubs/esperance-sportive-troyes-aube-champagne-486

Just the whole lot blows the confidence.
Midfield and defense just not up to it.


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johnsmith - 2 Apr 2023 10:51 AM
Disappointed to see Troyes suffer a 1-0 loss to fellow relegation-struggler Auxerre playing away. If Kisnorbo is going to have any hope of avoiding relegation, Troyes is going to have to beat those teams fighting to avoid relegation, which is not happening.

It is good that we have one Aussie coach, Paddy Kisnorbo, coaching in such a high calibre league as the French top division. A few years ago, when I had access to games, I watched quite a lot of it. It is a very good standard.

In terms of producing outstanding national team players the French have the most consistent team over the last 7 World Cups:

Winners - 1998.

Runners up - 2006.

Winners - 2018.

Runners up - 2022.

I remember an early round exit in 2002.

Can't remember what happened to France in South A 2010 and Brazil in 2014?

I know that many top French players play overseas in the other big UEFA Five, because they all pay higher wages in Germany, Spain, Italy and England. There is a lot going on that is right in French football ATM.

I hope Paddy stays up.

 
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grazorblade - 2 Apr 2023 12:09 PM
shame about last night

higher possession, higher xg, should have one. Perhaps a team short on confidence

Anyone have any analysis about why he is not winning games?

Don't have access ATM, but it would be interesting to have look at their games.
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LFC. - 11 Apr 2023 12:47 PM
grazorblade - 2 Apr 2023 12:09 PM

https://footystats.org/clubs/esperance-sportive-troyes-aube-champagne-486

Just the whole lot blows the confidence.
Midfield and defense just not up to it.

Looks like they cant finish up top either..... Hope Paddy gets the chance to make a go of it next season.
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Decentric 2 - 11 Apr 2023 2:11 PM
johnsmith - 2 Apr 2023 10:51 AM

I know that many top French players play overseas in the other big UEFA Five, because they all pay higher wages in Germany, Spain, Italy and England.


 

It seems your lack of knowledge extends to leagues other than the SPL. The only league that materially backs up your  opinion is the Premier League.

ClubAverage Annual SalaryYearly Wage Bill
1. Paris Saint-Germain€6,623,478€152,340,000



This compares to:

La Liga
1. FC Barcelona£7,606,400£190,160,000

Serie A
1. Juventus FC€7,688,250€102,307,000

Bundesliga
1. Bayern Münich€6,693,333€180,720,000

Premier League
1. Manchester United£6,517,500£169,455,000



Lowest Salaries


France
18. FC Lorient€255,463€7,408,440


La Liga
20. Elche CF£230,644£5,074,160

Serie A

18. Spezia Calcio€196,590€4,235,000

Bundesliga

18. DSC Arminia Bielefeld€287,767€8,057,500


Premier League

20. Sheffield United FC£729,888£19,707,000







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Lurker - 11 Apr 2023 3:51 PM
Decentric 2 - 11 Apr 2023 2:11 PM

It seems your lack of knowledge extends to leagues other than the SPL. The only league that materially backs up your  opinion is the Premier League.

ClubAverage Annual SalaryYearly Wage Bill
1. Paris Saint-Germain€6,623,478€152,340,000



This compares to:

La Liga
1. FC Barcelona£7,606,400£190,160,000

Serie A
1. Juventus FC€7,688,250€102,307,000

Bundesliga
1. Bayern Münich€6,693,333€180,720,000

Premier League
1. Manchester United£6,517,500£169,455,000



Lowest Salaries


France
18. FC Lorient€255,463€7,408,440


La Liga
20. Elche CF£230,644£5,074,160

Serie A

18. Spezia Calcio€196,590€4,235,000

Bundesliga

18. DSC Arminia Bielefeld€287,767€8,057,500


Premier League

20. Sheffield United FC£729,888£19,707,000







I have researched the big five.

There is a Youtube video where it states that the average annual  earnings of players in the UEFA big five are:

EPL - $4 million.

Bundesliga - circa $3 million.

Italy and Spain - circa  $2.5 million.

France - circa $1.3 million. 
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kaufusi - 8 Mar 2023 11:42 AM
johnsmith - 6 Mar 2023 2:40 PM

It's a tough season with 4 instead of 2 clubs getting relegated as the league re-sizes its top division. 

Very tough for the 4 relegated from the top division, but good for those  promoted from Div 2.
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Decentric 2 - 12 Apr 2023 9:06 AM
Lurker - 11 Apr 2023 3:51 PM

I have researched the big five.

There is a Youtube video where it states that the average annual  earnings of players in the UEFA big five are:

EPL - $4 million.

Bundesliga - circa $3 million.

Italy and Spain - circa  $2.5 million.

France - circa $1.3 million. 

Remarkably the quality is basically the same
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Sadly, no surprises this week as Troyes, playing away, lost 3-1 to Marseille, the number two on the league standings/ladder. 
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grazorblade - 12 Apr 2023 9:22 AM
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Remarkably the quality is basically the same

A good point - even with the income disparity. 

In fact the French league, is arguably the most successful of all - given the French national team has probably been the best of the UEFA big five in the last 7 World Cups. They've won 2 WCs (1998 and 2018) and been runners up in 2 more WCs (2006 and 2022) since 1998.

I wish we had more players ( Genreau) and coaches (Paddy) plying their trade in  the French Championat, even in the lower ranked clubs. It is renowned   as the most physical league, in terms of muscular body on body contact of the UEFA  big five leagues   -despite probably being nowhere near as rugged as Scotland though. Moreover, it is a highly technical and tactical league. 
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