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+x+x+x+xThere's no point having Tasmania Auckland Canberra and Wollongong to ensure geographical representation and then having all that torn up when p and r stars and the comp is jammed with the richer and better Sydney and Melbourne teams. (Which is likely to happen.) Why would the APL risk that? Why is that inevitable? I would say the more likely scenario is that the bottom 4-5 A-League clubs and the top 4-5 NSD clubs yo-yo between the divisions, which is pretty much what happens everywhere else in the world with pro-rel (including in the NPL here). So you might end up with a couple more Syd/Mel clubs some years, but it needn't annihilate the regional sides. And if their owners lose the will to keep splurging millions of dollars a year on teams struggling to attract a fanbase, then WU and Macarthur might well end up among the relegated sides, while I would also place Wollongong Wolves as potentially one of the top NSD sides (they won the NPL play-offs a couple of years back, and are usually in contention for top spot in NSW). You would probably end up with 3-4 teams from each of Sydney and Melbourne most seasons, with the rest being from smaller cities. That seems reasonable for a 16-team top division. WU themselves, would beg to differ mate... They stated they would NOT be interested in competing in a second tier as any participation outside of the A league would not be financially viable for their "club".. Relegation , for a franchise, is a death knell and they know it...... WU don't have a veto power over the decision. Given how terrible they and Macarthur have been off the field, I would hazard to say there is a bit of resentment from the other owners at them, and at the old FFA for letting them when there were superior alternatives. They might have committed ownerships now, but if those groups walk away and a replacement isn't found, it's hard to see the APL propping them up a la Newcastle. In that scenario, relegation would be an easy way to nudge them out of the top flight, and then they can rejig themselves as locally-oriented semi-pro clubs building on a long-term basis. It would certainly be preferable over the teams going belly-up and disappearing into thin air a la North Queensland or Gold Coast Utd. Council will pull the pin on the Stadium land if they were NSD  and GCU didn't go belly up. Frank binned them when Clive saw what was coming and didn't keep quiet about it.
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+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer    Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P
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+x+x+x+xThere's no point having Tasmania Auckland Canberra and Wollongong to ensure geographical representation and then having all that torn up when p and r stars and the comp is jammed with the richer and better Sydney and Melbourne teams. (Which is likely to happen.) Why would the APL risk that? Why is that inevitable? I would say the more likely scenario is that the bottom 4-5 A-League clubs and the top 4-5 NSD clubs yo-yo between the divisions, which is pretty much what happens everywhere else in the world with pro-rel (including in the NPL here). So you might end up with a couple more Syd/Mel clubs some years, but it needn't annihilate the regional sides. And if their owners lose the will to keep splurging millions of dollars a year on teams struggling to attract a fanbase, then WU and Macarthur might well end up among the relegated sides, while I would also place Wollongong Wolves as potentially one of the top NSD sides (they won the NPL play-offs a couple of years back, and are usually in contention for top spot in NSW). You would probably end up with 3-4 teams from each of Sydney and Melbourne most seasons, with the rest being from smaller cities. That seems reasonable for a 16-team top division. WU themselves, would beg to differ mate... They stated they would NOT be interested in competing in a second tier as any participation outside of the A league would not be financially viable for their "club".. Relegation , for a franchise, is a death knell and they know it...... WU don't have a veto power over the decision. Given how terrible they and Macarthur have been off the field, I would hazard to say there is a bit of resentment from the other owners at them, and at the old FFA for letting them when there were superior alternatives. They might have committed ownerships now, but if those groups walk away and a replacement isn't found, it's hard to see the APL propping them up a la Newcastle. In that scenario, relegation would be an easy way to nudge them out of the top flight, and then they can rejig themselves as locally-oriented semi-pro clubs building on a long-term basis. It would certainly be preferable over the teams going belly-up and disappearing into thin air a la North Queensland or Gold Coast Utd. Sure, but the point remains they where clear in NOT applying for a license if it means the possibility of playing in the second division, I would guess anyone looking to stump up 25 million would want assurances also????
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :)
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+xAuckland is a no-brainer. Big city, immediate rivalry, great stadiums to choose from to call home (Mount smart would be amazing). Alright, have to stop you there. You can get a pretty good atmosphere in Mt Smart, but (a) it's still too big for requirements, at least in the beginning; (b) it's quite run down; (c) sharing with the Warriors might be a problem unless some kind of formal deal is made; (d) it's somewhat out in the 'burbs of Auckland and doesn't have great public transport connections. It's the best of three current bad options (Eden Park is too big; North Harbour was a graveyard for the Kingz/Knights) Jacob Spoonley, the head of NZ's PFA, has some half-baked idea of a new boutique stadium on the central Auckland waterfront but that's not going to happen
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you)
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+x+xHere's my thing about Wellington. They're taking up Australian opportunities. Yes Australians can play for them but aren't we better with a club here with an academy, reserves, NPL sides and possible juniors? That's dozens and dozens more opportunities for Australian kids vs 4 or 5. It baffles me why people think Wellington are a good idea. If there's no other choice fine but if there is they can bugger off At the risk of repeating stuff that's been said 10000 times before: - an increased potential market of 5 million / broadcasting rights in an extra territory- an ownership group acknowledged by the other owner groups as one of the best in the league Danny Townsend has said that he sees the A in A-League as standing for "Australasian". This is a very refreshing change from Stephen Gallop doing his best for 5 years to achieve #nixout Don't quote me here but don't Wellington only bring $300 000 in TV revenue? Isn't that what Sky paid? Phoenix have their say. https://www.examiner.com.au/story/8122575/phoenix-sceptical-on-a-leagues-expansion-into-auckland/
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+x+x+xHere's my thing about Wellington. They're taking up Australian opportunities. Yes Australians can play for them but aren't we better with a club here with an academy, reserves, NPL sides and possible juniors? That's dozens and dozens more opportunities for Australian kids vs 4 or 5. It baffles me why people think Wellington are a good idea. If there's no other choice fine but if there is they can bugger off At the risk of repeating stuff that's been said 10000 times before: - an increased potential market of 5 million / broadcasting rights in an extra territory- an ownership group acknowledged by the other owner groups as one of the best in the league Danny Townsend has said that he sees the A in A-League as standing for "Australasian". This is a very refreshing change from Stephen Gallop doing his best for 5 years to achieve #nixout Don't quote me here but don't Wellington only bring $300 000 in TV revenue? Isn't that what Sky paid? Phoenix have their say. https://www.examiner.com.au/story/8122575/phoenix-sceptical-on-a-leagues-expansion-into-auckland/ Don't they also contribute the same as th eother 11 teams as far as the aus broadcast deal?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P
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+x+x+x+xUnpopular opinion: this hastens p and r with the caveat that liscensed clubs probably get protection from dropping below the second division and we will probably have some weird rules protecting nz you will never have p and r before you have two divisions of 16 clubs and this probably gets us there within 5 years Next two years there will be a ridiculous increase in opportunites for young aussie footballers. This is unambiguously good news imo Respectfully this is terrible take. No way in the world is this good news for pro rel. I half believe they're setting up the NST for failure. They're definitely heading more down the MLS route. $25 million for licenses this time, $30 million for the next round? I guess your worry is that they will require promotion candidates to pay a liscense fee? i doubt it personally No that's not it at all. My worry, and my expectation is, no owner would agree to a pro / rel model where they could lose their entire investment. Let's face facts, if a big club is relegated it will likely fold or be gutted and sold on for a nominal fee and exist as a NST team in name only. Now you can say they can force pro / rel and they can but the owners will not let that happen. The APL have looked at the Dolphins success and thought, let's have some of that. The best thing to do would have been run the NST and promote the winner for the next 4 years to get to 16 teams. That would have been hands down the best way to get to 16. No relegation until 16 teams are reached and then in year 5 away we go. your posts are so deluded
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer. The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions.
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+x+x+x+xHere's my thing about Wellington. They're taking up Australian opportunities. Yes Australians can play for them but aren't we better with a club here with an academy, reserves, NPL sides and possible juniors? That's dozens and dozens more opportunities for Australian kids vs 4 or 5. It baffles me why people think Wellington are a good idea. If there's no other choice fine but if there is they can bugger off At the risk of repeating stuff that's been said 10000 times before: - an increased potential market of 5 million / broadcasting rights in an extra territory- an ownership group acknowledged by the other owner groups as one of the best in the league Danny Townsend has said that he sees the A in A-League as standing for "Australasian". This is a very refreshing change from Stephen Gallop doing his best for 5 years to achieve #nixout Don't quote me here but don't Wellington only bring $300 000 in TV revenue? Isn't that what Sky paid? Phoenix have their say. https://www.examiner.com.au/story/8122575/phoenix-sceptical-on-a-leagues-expansion-into-auckland/ Don't they also contribute the same as the other 11 teams as far as the aus broadcast deal? This is all I can find at the moment. I thought there was a figure quoted that was very low. https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/wellington-phoenix-chairman-rob-morrison-talks-to-fox-sports-simon-hill-about-the-clubs-future/news-story/f8fee5373b23edf09b2bd27deac077d0
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Townsend said the same process would most likely be followed for teams 15 and 16, with the Gold Coast, Wollongong or a second team in Brisbane considered the front-runners to enter the competitions in season 2025-26.
So Canberra as 13 and Auckland 14 plus another 2 from the list of potential 3 quoted by the FA.
Well you can see where the FA is potentially heading in its selection process of the NST.
No wonder there's a lot of cry babies in this thread.
But anything is better than Lowy, right?
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Going to 20 teams?
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My estimate for the NST is actually 14 teams with potential for 16 now with FA's geographical bias. Can't see how they can do it with less.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day Didn't get much sleep last night bud? Not sure exactly how you read my post but I have 100000% empathy with "kids and old boys" who just want to go watch their club week in and week out and dont have any say in how a poorly run competition is mismanaged.... I dont want any sort of revenge matey..... just the end of the Appartheid and being excluded because of my choice of club (and, it seem, because of where my parents were born) No berating and laughing at them, I am one of them myself.... Maybe instead of trying to defend "the new dawn" despite all its failings you should try and appreciate the difference between "club" and "league" My take is that the NSL was an absolute clownshow.... the NPL not much better, the Aleague (despite 4-5 years of promise) is proving to be a bigger shitshow PONZI scheme than the rest..... Oh and the "tables have turned" because getting rid of "us" was supposed to make "you" so much more professional...... doesn't look like it just now, does it?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day Didn't get much sleep last night bud? Not sure exactly how you read my post This is so typical of your posting style. Have a good one. I can't be arsed anymore trying to bring logic to this clown show.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day My take is that the NSL was an absolute clownshow.... the NPL not much better, the Aleague (despite 4-5 years of promise) is proving to be a bigger shitshow PONZI scheme than the rest..... Oh and the "tables have turned" because getting rid of "us" was supposed to make "you" so much more professional...... doesn't look like it just now, does it? Nah. The A league outperforms the NSL in every metric. Crowds, stadiums, coverage, investments, imports, sponsors many times over. It’s had some woes over the last few years, mostly due to covid, but you cant deny that A league at its worst, most frail and vulnerable, is still a better competition than the NSL was at its absolute best.
You have a choice mono. You can choose to be a bitter miserable prick who wishes death to the A league and shits on every positive development, or you can let go of your anti white anglo hating prejudice and support football.
Imagine if the NSL was canvassing $25 million for new licenses. The entire league was worth less than $1 million. Professional level football in Australia has made monumental strides over the last two decades, and we have insular backward clubs like South stepping aside to thank for that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day My take is that the NSL was an absolute clownshow.... the NPL not much better, the Aleague (despite 4-5 years of promise) is proving to be a bigger shitshow PONZI scheme than the rest..... Oh and the "tables have turned" because getting rid of "us" was supposed to make "you" so much more professional...... doesn't look like it just now, does it? Nah. The A league outperforms the NSL in every metric. Crowds, stadiums, coverage, investments, imports, sponsors many times over. It’s had some woes over the last few years, mostly due to covid, but you cant deny that A league at its worst, most frail and vulnerable, is still a better competition than the NSL was at its absolute best.
You have a choice mono. You can choose to be a bitter miserable prick who wishes death to the A league and shits on every positive development, or you can let go of your anti white anglo hating prejudice and support football.
Imagine if the NSL was canvassing $25 million for new licenses. The entire league was worth less than $1 million. Professional level football in Australia has made monumental strides over the last two decades, and we have insular backward clubs like South stepping aside to thank for that.
Hmm so are you saying that the Aleague is only for white anglos??? Your posts are a little confusing... Good luck to you Danny and the APL with the "building a club in a box and finding an investor for it" for 25 mill.... Ill be cheering on its "death" with glee. Reackon the oners of Victory would have a clearer "take" on expansion than you. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joe-mirabella-07006126_apl-confirms-expansion-of-the-a-league-with-activity-7042270824426323968-z46I?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day Didn't get much sleep last night bud? Not sure exactly how you read my post This is so typical of your posting style. Have a good one. I can't be arsed anymore trying to bring logic to this clown show. Sorry mate, you were far more complimentary I suppose? That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you.
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+x+xNo expansion in Brisbane according to Fong And fair enough too..... The next club will come from Brisbane, but it won’t come from ‘Brisbane’. It will be called Western or Pensinula something, or GC, thereby circumventing Fong’s concerns.
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Anyone with some inside info greatly appreciated... Just on the two teams and why they would pay 25 million each, I assume based on future projections, especially the broadcast deal... The reason for this post is because APL said and lets assume it was not a lie to get them off the hook on the GF move.. but APL said, P + said, Football did not reach target numbers... so payment was reduced... There would have been a lot of changes over the past 8 to 9 months... but worth analysis or certainty worthy of discussion is the June 2022 Australian streaming numbers ... Streaming data as of June last year.. Netflix (6.3 million) remained the top SVOD provider at the end of June 22, followed by Amazon Prime Video (4.1 million), Disney+ (3.0 million), Stan (2.5 million), Kayo Sports (1.3 million), Binge (1.3 million), Paramount+ (1.1 million) and Optus Sport (1.0 million) https://www.telsyte.com.au/announce...inment-defies-rising-cost-of-living-pressuresOne thing that stood out for me was Kayo Sports has heaps of sports.... and 1.3 million plus whats ever is left on Fox.... Optus with only Football EPL & Champions League has 1 million.... But with P + having, 1.1 million subs, it difficult to think it grew that quickly without huge numbers of Football folk...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThere are many things we could copy from the MLS... however a closed competition is not one.... Football's history in the US is different to Australia, we have had it much better..... further the US media market is very different with local issues mostly trumping national issues... Last year i.e. 2022, with 28 teams, the media broadcast deal for MLS was 65 million, another 25 million to the national body sides... they generated 1.85 billion in revenue with a dead set crap media deal spread over three networks with constant cancellations... i.e. 65 million as a percentage of 1.85 billion is 3.7%... this year revenue is expected to be over 2.3 billion with 29 teams and a new 300 million media deal... The MLS have built themselves off crowds and fans.... Nothing I see from APL addresses the crowds.... Maybe the "festival of football" prior to the Sydney GF will help? As we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it started off as work and when from there but I analysed the MLS from a business perspective... Please don't bite and see MLS and see a red flag.... The MLS realised they needed crowds to grow and expand... meaning they had to make the fans happy... Hand on heart not the other thing, no one in pre NSL, during NSL, and in the A-L has had a plan to get crowds over 15K with an average around 20K....and played over 32 to 36 weeks at least....in fact the new NSD is also is not a discussion point.... What we do have in common with the MLS or should I say had in common was poor crowds and a short season.... Whether is the NSD or the A_L or a new body... the management that can lift crowd numbers to 15K plus over a 32 + round season gets my vote... sadly I can't see Main Stream Australia getting onboard with single ethnic based clubs no matter how successful or inclusive... nor can I see a competition were key decisions made outside Football people will work either i.e. stadiums... Some new thinking is required... IMO we should hand it over to a 28 to 35 year old and get old white men with set in train thoughts out of the way... see WSW boss as a prime example... Im all for APL doing whatever makes it, and its consumers happy but it has to stay out of the way of REAL soccer in this country now. Who knew I wasn't even watching real soccer Looks bloody real to me 10,000 people in Adelaide will watch us try cement second spot/catch a faltering City tomorrow night. 20,000+ will be doing the same at the Sydney derby Saturday. I’ll be watching both and I’ll be loving it because this season has been genuinely entertaining with great football being played by the best players in the country. That’s 30,000+ at two games who do not log in to Inside Sport’s secret forums who are going to have a great night. Food for thought. Dont know about the second clip mate, looks more like floor gymnastics at the Olympics to me :P It's a clip of a just turned 17 year old who has scored 7 goals in a calendar year for a goal every 86 minutes played. Some day you may even pretend to support him playing for the Socceroos With backflips like that it wont be hard to pretend :) Not sure I follow but I assume you are being positive (given its you) Hahahah Im not the big bad wolf I make out to be I like both Goodwin and Irunkunda (who I have already supported playing for the Joeys) :P yeah yeah I know. I've just come back to work, ergo the forum, after a week off. I saw the headline and my only thought was "oh god do i dare bother to open this thread?" Anyway you can call the clubs plastics, the board racist but don't tell me the week in/week out is not real soccer.
The 200 odd professional Australian players and thousands of kids and old boys in the stands each weekend don't make the decisions. Was saying the same thing in 2004 but we had to have a "revolution".... who knew the tables would turn eh? :) That doesn't make heaps of sense but it DOES say a lot about you. See, a trait I value highly in a fellow human is when you experience something bad and see it happen to other people you have an easy and instinctual tendency to empathise. Your reaction is to berate and laugh at the disappointed "kids and old boys" because you have waiting in a dark corner dreaming of revenge for 20 years. How have the tables turned? The same "kids and old boys" that didn't make the decision then are not making the decisions now yet you want to make them the subject of your ire? Not to mention nobody claimed the NSL games were not the sport of soccer. Make some sense instead of trying to just make the same point 100 times a day My take is that the NSL was an absolute clownshow.... the NPL not much better, the Aleague (despite 4-5 years of promise) is proving to be a bigger shitshow PONZI scheme than the rest..... Oh and the "tables have turned" because getting rid of "us" was supposed to make "you" so much more professional...... doesn't look like it just now, does it? Nah. The A league outperforms the NSL in every metric. Crowds, stadiums, coverage, investments, imports, sponsors many times over. It’s had some woes over the last few years, mostly due to covid, but you cant deny that A league at its worst, most frail and vulnerable, is still a better competition than the NSL was at its absolute best.
You have a choice mono. You can choose to be a bitter miserable prick who wishes death to the A league and shits on every positive development, or you can let go of your anti white anglo hating prejudice and support football.
Imagine if the NSL was canvassing $25 million for new licenses. The entire league was worth less than $1 million. Professional level football in Australia has made monumental strides over the last two decades, and we have insular backward clubs like South stepping aside to thank for that.
Hmm so are you saying that the Aleague is only for white anglos??? Your posts are a little confusing... Good luck to you Danny and the APL with the "building a club in a box and finding an investor for it" for 25 mill.... Ill be cheering on its "death" with glee. Reackon the oners of Victory would have a clearer "take" on expansion than you. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joe-mirabella-07006126_apl-confirms-expansion-of-the-a-league-with-activity-7042270824426323968-z46I?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios this is a enlightenning comment by one of the MV owners......and good on him might I say. I really don't understand the belittling of a disjointed semi pro league some 18yrs ago and longer that was run on fumes and very little understanding/support how to break itself out of the pigeon hole that was set.....is a pretty soft counter argument its just wanting to be antagonistic. Comparing a semi pro to a Pro comp its pretty obvious the difference of operating procedures/stds and obviously far better exposure commercially as it well should be (all for this for the game) that is great - troubles set long before covid. Glad its recovering slowly but lets get things into perspective talking expansion as per the thread not of the past, throwing money into a suffering business doesn't guarantee anything at this early stage but filters $$$ in recovering loss's if anything eventuates at the sametime deflects from the probs more than anything else. I quoted elsewhere good luck to them but Mirabella's comments ring true in the big picture.
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+xAnyone with some inside info greatly appreciated... Just on the two teams and why they would pay 25 million each, I assume based on future projections, especially the broadcast deal... The reason for this post is because APL said and lets assume it was not a lie to get them off the hook on the GF move.. but APL said, P + said, Football did not reach target numbers... so payment was reduced... There would have been a lot of changes over the past 8 to 9 months... but worth analysis or certainty worthy of discussion is the June 2022 Australian streaming numbers ... Streaming data as of June last year.. Netflix (6.3 million) remained the top SVOD provider at the end of June 22, followed by Amazon Prime Video (4.1 million), Disney+ (3.0 million), Stan (2.5 million), Kayo Sports (1.3 million), Binge (1.3 million), Paramount+ (1.1 million) and Optus Sport (1.0 million) https://www.telsyte.com.au/announce...inment-defies-rising-cost-of-living-pressuresOne thing that stood out for me was Kayo Sports has heaps of sports.... and 1.3 million plus whats ever is left on Fox.... Optus with only Football EPL & Champions League has 1 million.... But with P + having, 1.1 million subs, it difficult to think it grew that quickly without huge numbers of Football folk... Optus does not have CL or Europa Mid, via Stan. Wow 1M most of us EPL viewers and the other leagues, thats very good. P+ blockbuster movies, a returning series, or popular classic shows, comedy hits to reality royalty to family fun and $9 a/m. So Kayo/Fox still doing pretty good it seems.
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+xBut with P + having, 1.1 million subs, it difficult to think it grew that quickly without huge numbers of Football folk... What's the difference between Paramount+ and Optus/Kayo?
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