Even MAGGI benefited from forced labour camps. Yes, the company that makes 2 minute noodles. They were originally a Swiss company, but now owned by Nestle (which also happens to be considered one of the most evil corporations on the planet). Yet people happily buy Maggi products all the time.

yep, not quite four months..... and directly for the big man... he had no real office as such, just an area and I sat within a few metes of him... I liked and respected him...

Whether it's an FC or a company, you don't have to try too hard and go too far back in history to discover that everyone's shit stinks.

Look, this topic isn't going to be solved on a discussion forum and I don't really want much energy on it.

Final thing I say here is that the article nails down one thing: there are Cro Aussies who are fascist as absolute fk and I have never encountered that in Croatians I meet in Europe. There's "something up" there, and it's got a lot to do with them being a generation who experienced a horrible trauma in their lives that nobody deserves.I had a Cro workmate whom I felt quite intimidated by with his fascist shit. But he didn't make me angry, I just felt a little bad for him and the anger he had.

I say fuck em. The club deliberately chose to start their club on 10 April - 12 year anniversary of the nazi backed puppet state in Croatia. Says it all really 

No, they need to address these issues now. It shouldn’t matter of they are in the NSD or not, these issues are unacceptable and have been for decades.

You really do live in a different reality to anyone else

This

I agree absolutely they should, but realistically they only 'need' to do anything if there are laws and regulations (FA, state or federal) that require them to do so. Like you said, these issues aren't new. These issues have been brought forward again as a direct result of the NST. If the NST conversation wasn't happening then this thread probably wouldn't exist. I guarantee the FA will be having conversations both with clubs and internally about these particular issues. You can also be fairly certain that there will plenty of T's & Cs in the licence agreement relating to fans and fan behaviour. It's definitely fascinating to see how this plays out as both SU and Knights are very strong contenders in every other NST requirement. 

im against Nazi but the issue we have is the 'far left' are communist in this country and is not protrated in the media anywhere near as bad as the Nazi 

people seem to not realise how bad things were for ppl in the USSR or east germany back in the day 

im saying this is the 'game' of football and although there are idiots everywhere it should not 'suprise' anyone 

what disgusts me is the governing body pushing social political extremism and pedos on children - otherwise the CANNOT PLAY football.... that too me is a bigger issue as im a football fan 

all things considered it is pretty obvious the FA are failing the game with social-political agendas and alienating fans of the game to be 'PC' 

id punish the Nazi but i would also ensure the game remains A-politcal opposed to the shit show the A League has become, the AFL and NRL are also facing backlash but they are too big and rich for it to make a 'massive' difference 

they also arent making children wear rainbows to play the game 

Hahaha.  

Just so we're clear, the Ustasha murdered 500,000 Jews, Roma and Serbs.  The article states that there are people running football clubs who publicly express support that group.  So do some of their supporters.

No, it's not equivalent to kids being made to wear the rainbow.  The rainbow people didn't kill people with mallets, maces, axes and knives in a death camp.  They didn't mass-murder people in gas chambers.  No, the rainbow isn't worn to promote paedophiles raping kids, for fuck's sake.  Public displays of wokeness are not equivalent to publicly supporting a genocidal regime.  Get a fucking grip.

^^^ all of this.

Melbourne Knights just qualified for the Australia Cup last night. Thats 3 Croatian Clubs in the Final 32, with one still pending, being the Gold Coast Knights.

The outrage lol 

The owner of BOKA is a legend within the Croatian and wider community in western sydney. 
Just recently he donated $1mill to the sutherland hospital for saving his life.
https://www.theleader.com.au/story/7797276/generous-give-back-after-close-health-call/

Not yet, but it's getting there. 
It wasnt normal in the 70s to be gay, now it is and its accepted. 
Soon Pedophilia will be normal and accepted, leave the children alone.

I would suggest the anti Nazi laws coming into effect would be very hazy at best regarding Ustashe symbology and agree its up to the state /fed government to object to any issues they have with these clubs. Any assertions that "this is how they are" or "they have Pavelic statues" etc needs to be confirmed before statements flung around or else retracted. 

I agree that the FA is having these conversations, as they are whithin their right to, but its up to the clubs to market them selves as they see fit as long as they arent breaking any laws... As for the knee jerk reaction from the plebs.... well no shit.... 

"Soon Pedophilia will be normal and accepted"
I can not believe the amount of ignorance being displayed with great pride on this thread. 
Being a bigoted fool is one thing, to flaunt it like a peacock is quite another. 

This is true, but it's also up to the FA to make the choice to omit any club that has a higher potential for problematic fan behaviour. Whether people like it or not, optics will matter, especially at the start of the NST. There will be a bunch of 'journos' just itching to pounce on any negative issue that presents itself. The FA may decide that taking a risk adverse path for the initial group is the smartest way to go. A lot has changed since the 90s. Literally everyone has a camera in their pocket capable of recording HD video, audio and photos and then instantly broadcasting them to the world. That means that any poor behaviour and problematic symbolism will receive a massive spotlight immediately. Just look at the MV pitch invasion. They were able to track down nearly every single person that entered that field. If that had happened in the 90s, the majority (maybe even all) would have got away without any punishment at all. I really hope that clubs like SU and MK are able to address these issues in a positive way as both clubs have demonstrated that on the field they can be very competitive.

Hey Perry,

What is your opinion of the people who support City Football Group, Or Newcastle United or Brisbane Roar for that matter?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/25/bakrie-indonesia-nat-rothschild

What about the Maccabi clubs worldwide (old Franky'ss Sydney City FC being one of them) do you not really count an organisation that promoted Jewish irredentism and the occupation, dispalcement and murder of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians as somethign abhorrent?

As bohemia says "Everyones shit stinks" 

Fair call, I get the feeling though that FA are banking on "getting the band back together" to actually generate any interest in this comp... Omitting clubs like the two Croatias and still keeping WSW and Melbourne Victory sends the clear message that football violence is OK as long as you dont belong to a particular ethnic group....  I would hope, with the Lowys gone, the FA is better than that. 

is your head in the sand? Take a look around you, drag shows for kids, in children's books, forcing children to wear pride etc
that's normal is it? 

Is your head in the sand?! Looks like you’re just trying to divert attention away from the title of this thread 

From the club that platformed Marco Perkovic of Thompson. I'M SHOCKED!!!!!

Pope Benedict XVI received Perković in an audience in December 2009
https://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/papa-primio-thompsona-dan-prije-mesica.html

My life experience is take any group from anywhere and it will divide along similar lines and percentages.... aggressive to passive... 

The Croatians are no better or worst than any other group.... 

What I suppose is the difference is reactions by those running organisations.... 

Nazi symbols scare me in what they stand for and how they where used.... by and large I think this is the reaction by most but certainty not all...  

I re read the article, and what it appears to be saying to me anyway... is those running some I repeat some Croatian clubs support the Nazi's world view of the past and future.... 

I don't know enough to make a valid call.... outside attending maybe 20 or so Sydney United matches... were if I am honest nothing happen other than chanting....  and as I said previously working for the Sydney United president for a tad under four months where I found him to be a very decent, honest and hard working person, plus I guess working in Liverpool for approx 10 years... 

My call on the issue is the article is a first shot at the new competition and if anything happens then guess what """' we warned you"""" because if the second division takes off it could add greatly to Football and the A-League... 

The crux of the matter will be how the management of Croatian clubs react if Nazi type things happen.... will they identify those involved.... what penalties will be handed out etc... 

My guess again is JJ will put in place rules that if clubs don't react then penalties will apply to those clubs...

In closing, all groups regardless of back group have a percentage of people filled with hhhmmm hate maybe... but it depends on who can give them access to play out their wants... Pauline H of One Nation Fame is the perfect example of the Skip percentage... whether or not the Knights are led by people who support Nazi ideas is impossible for me to know... but the Fairfax / 9 group has laid a huge case already against JJ new competition... 

100% my take too Mid... especially this line:

"My call on the issue is the article is a first shot at the new competition and if anything happens then guess what """' we warned you"""" because if the second division takes off it could add greatly to Football and the A-League... "

Croatian Australians are far from Saints but I was at Somers Street 2  weekends ago and didnt feel like I was in any sort of fascist hell ... never have and I suspect I never will... These guys are nothing but welcoming ...OK some of their louder supporters can chant and try and be aggressive or whatever and some of the shit they have thrown our way over the years is pretty vile (as is ours to them to be fair) but who cares?  In fact, the highlight of my night (apart from the 1-2 derby win of course) was a little girl, maybe 5-6 years old, wearing a Knights jersey coming up to every single one of us in the Hellas away end and asking "Blue team or Red team?" regardless of the answer she gave us all a fist bump while her poor mum chased her all around the ground .... THATS FOOTBALL, I dont care what your politics are. 

If someone commits a crime, call the police

If you don't like any organisation, boycott them.  

Sponsors (and prospective Sponsors) do the same


Football (done properly) ends up reflecting the society it operates in better than anything else. 

Whinging and 'outrage' in the hope of smothering the stuff you don't like is just another bandaid

Thats part of the problem mate.... Some DONT WANT football to reflect the society it operates in ..... 

Yes its going too far, but I can understand the train of thought.

Tell me why do kids have to wear rainbow clothes to play football?  Why is that needed? This is a question that one of the kids will ask.  What, exactly, is the answer?  That some men wish to have sex with men and some women wish to have sex with women, and we want children to show they support that? This is literally what the answer is.  Is that your answer.  If its not why isn't it ( because that is the truth). Why do young children playing football need to be co-opted to show they support the sexual choices of adults- whatever those choices are- by organizations outside the family unit?  For what purpose?  

Of course its not equivalent to the holocaust, but why aren't parents saying: what is this shit you're exposing our kids to?  Who gave you the right? There is something seriously wrong with people behind this shit.

As for the banning of  "hateful symbolism",  laws that banned them didn't exist for the past 70 years when the people who actually were involved lived amongst us, but now a handful of misguided youths and old scrotes  do a zieg heil and we now need laws against "hateful symbolism".

The article was prompted by new laws in Victoria banning "hateful symbols.  As of this article, its being proposed to add Ustasha symbols to the banned list. 

And then we wait to add some others after that. 

What of the crucifix-those crusaders in the New World have a lot to answer for.  And the crescent-those Ottomans did sure mess up Europe for a few centuries.

And what of the Romans and the spread-winged eagle with SPQR?

But since this is Victoria, we don't ban the color red, the yellow 5 pointed star and the sickle and hammer.  No hateful symbolism there-just ignore the millions that starved to death.