Heheh maybe "jingoistic" is a little harsh.....  As a supporter you dont get to choose your country mate, thats the point it just is..... 

Hard to describe club passion to someone that doesnt have it, not having a go, but it is what makes the beautiful game tick all around the globe.... 

Players all over the world will change clubs for more money/prestige/career advancement whenever they can/want to. But once they commit to their NT they’re committed for LIFE under Fifa rules. And despite WCup winning players like Messi changing clubs several times I’d be surprised if playing for Argentina and winning a Wcup wouldn’t be top of his list of his career achievements/highlights. Jingoistic?! Really?!

Not if they have given 100% never... but if they dont play for the shirt they certainly hear about it.... 

Do you boo Hellas players after they lose a game - despite them giving 100%?! If not you’re not a ‘true football fan’ according to Sutherland Bear

Liking international football is just nationalism and jingoistic pride.....  Club before country Trev.... always. 

Ummm are you sure about that mate? I dont think the red Mancs are that keen on ol Erik these days and they are 7th out of 20 clubs :)

Thank you for proving my point.

If being a ‘football supporter’ involves hating international football like you always say you do then I’m proud to say no - I’m not like you. Go ahead and boo your own players like celtic fans do when their ‘beloved’ club loses 1 non-crucial game. It’s not like they lost to Sydney FC or anything. Oh wait…😂

Not too arrogant, just get what being a football supporter is all about, unlike you, Aussie rules boy.

Another Glaswegian who is an arrogant arse

He said " all over the world " and all you can quote is the EPL . Another Aussie, who doesnt get it.

Nah celtic fans are uniquely demented cos you don’t hear Epl fans calling for Ange, Klopp or Pep to be sacked after they occasionally lose 

I think you just have a bee in your bonnet over Celtic fans mate.... That happens all around the world....

Think there’s a difference between fans having high expectations (Liverpool, Man City fans just for example) and having impossible/perfect/unrealistic standards like many celtic fans who are way too quick to boo their own players/coach/board cos their little brains can’t fathom the fact that even very good teams occasionally lose

It comes with having a large fanbase and high expectations mate... Not sure why you see it as a bad thing? Would you rather fans didnt give a shit and just wanted to cheer "Yay for football"?

yep Pep now has 4 draws 3 loss's first time in about 5 seasons haha sack him, the SPL duopoly devotees are precious souls.
2 loss's on the bounce for de hoops, carn rangers.

Yep. Knee jerk reactions every time from celtic fans.
😴😴😴
well played Hearts👏

What I don't get about Scotland is when ever Celtic or rangers lose it's like the end of the world.

How dare hearts beat Celtic sack Rodgers. Throw him in a well 

Geez they are still first place by a few points. City lost to wolves and nobody called for Pep to go 

Irvine is the other example of a player moving and doing well. I know its only Bundi 2 but its still a decent league and Irvine has been very important for the Roos. Possibly a Bundi 1 player next year also.  

Interesting article on Stametopolous time in Greece: 
https://aleagues.com.au/news/socceroos-news-asian-cup-a-league-newcastle-jets-stamatelopoulos-interview/

Thanks for your kind words!
Interestingly, Muscat, Vidmar, Viduka and Moore all started in the SPL at one of the glasgow giants. Those clubs are undoubtably good to go to. Mcdonald was a rare and interesting exception starting at motherwall

It could indeed be the case that our agents in oz suck and can't get a phone call returned from greek, swedish and norwegian clubs

That's the mistake you and others keep making. The a league has always had a load of good youngsters the clubs just didn't give a shit about them. It was a buying league not a selling league.

Thanks,
Arthur is a treasure when he makes the time to join in - learn alot every single time from his real world experience.

Wow if thats true near to 40% thats huge but not surprised.
Only X teams in every single comp have the ability to carve a goal for eg playing from the back today to the end result with total conviction so its makes some sense.
Quicky I still say Duke's goal was an utter fluke - sure he had natural instinct to attack the opportune moment and damn fantastic kudos to him for thats the game, try something without even thinking it would pay off and thats luck going your way.

Viduka: Leeds, Middlesbrough, Newcastle
Moore: Newcastle, Borussia Monchengladbach
Vidmar: Middlesbrough, Cardiff, NAC Breda
McDonald: Middlesbrough, Millwall
Muscat: Millwall (including a run to the FA Cup final)

Championship >>> SPL

What sort of connections to Greek clubs in Aus, South Melb, Hobart Olympic ( have coached here, can find out ), I've forgotten the big one in Sydney?, Heidelberg, etc, have with the Greek pro league to facilitate transfers?

Come in Arthur! 

I think only Dukes  of the players   you've mentioned went on to a bigger league than the SPL, Quicky?

Maybe Vidmar went to Holland before or after Rangers?

Muscat only went to the Championship. Leaving Rangers for this league was possibly a step down.

Macca leaving Celtic for the Championship, was probably a step down.

Moore never  established himself anywhere else. They wanted him back at Rangers, which was his biggest club in his career. Actually late in his career, whilst playing AL he played in the Greek league under a Dutch coach to get extra games before a big tournament.

Of course Dukes' Leeds and Newcastle EPL career is well documented.

Good point about luck, LFC.

One of our forum members, Arthur, posted some excellent articles on the role of chance in games. It was posted in the Performance section many years ago.

Chance is a huge element in any football games. I think the figure was mooted at 40%.

Arthur has strong links with Greece, was/is a  NPL club Pres, and had a role in placing young Aussies in Scottish clubs. It would be good to hear his insights for this  topic.

I think your thread sheds light on strengths of different countries' football scenarios.

Good point about Croatia, Greece and Aus's relative  strengths.

I think it has helped us in Aus a lot, having to travel  and play in Asian conditions. I'm very much taking heed of Arnie constantly stating the weakness in the Aus club paradigm is the short season. 

This thread has very much alerted me to the inherent value of Greece as a destination for Euroroos. Also, the climate is much more benign than England, Scotland, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway and Denmark. It should be easier to produce decent pitches in the football season at nominal cost.

How long is the Greek season?

Hey Grazor just wanted to say that was an excellent read. It'll be interesting to follow this and see how the Aussies in Scotland progress and what moves they make.

Going back a while a lot of Aussies got starts there and moved to bigger leagues. Muscat, Vidmar, Viduka, Moore, McDonald. Then there was a gap between them and this new group of players who are playing in Scotland. 

It's interesting that Baccus was close to a transfer last year. Bolton I think. Irvine made a good move to St Pauli and could be playing Bundesliga next year. 

One thing I wonder is about opportunity. It could be that there aren't the same opportunities being offered in Greece and Sweden to Aussie players despite being similar standards? Viking in Norway seems to like Aussies. It'll be interestinv to watch those players progress too. I wonder if there are barriers there?

I think there are also players where a league like Scotland will be their level and that's okay. 

It's not fair to call that goal luck. Winning the ball, switching it out, fantastic strikers run and that header. The whole thing was world class from start to finish by Duke.